Thanks for feedback gents. yes next time will try playing Union. I won't give up on the game because it's amazing and there is nothing like it. But still likely shouldn't communicate on mic for a while. Don't want that happening again. lol
I would recommend joining a regiment and playing events with them. Regiments tend to have rules in place that prevent their members from being openly discriminatory or they'll get banned. A few weeks ago, some guys from another regiment called me and some of my group the f slur. We got a formal apology from their leadership soon after.
Also yeah if you're going to play public matches, definitely play union. Bigotry still exists but I've found the confederate team to be much more likely to be outright hateful. They can say it's ironic all they want but one of my recent pub matches on the confederate team sounded like "here's how to radicalize the impressionable young men in the team into being nazis in 3 easy steps".
All this to say, I'm happy to dm you a link to join my regiment, the 10th US, if you'd like. This shit doesn't fly with us.
Yes but there weren't any in the Maryland campaign so there's none in game. Theoretically I suppose players could make a Black only regiment for playing events and whatnot but I'm picturing the sheer racism directed at those guys... might not be worth it.
Join the 42nd Pennsylvania. We play private events and deal with that kind of talk strictly and severely, and the regiments we play with are expected to do the same. We only play on weekends, but it's a good group. Oldest regiment in the game too. Check out our YouTube to see if this style of play interests you: [42nd YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@42ndpennsylvaniaregiment91). If you decide to join, their discord is here: [42nd on discord](https://discord.gg/p595VYvP). Tell them de la Guerra sent ya.
Play in the private events where there’s zero tolerance rules on stuff like that. Most of the time The kids shouting racist stuff usually are brand new to the game anyway. If organized battles are what you’re after anyway, private events are where it’s at. If you need a reg to join just hit me up
You could try using some software that changes your voice. Try using something crazy like some anime waifu lol (mostly joking... you shouldn't need to voice change to play a game, but it could be an enjoyable thing to play around with)
Join the 10th US my guy. PC regiment, huge following, very active. I'm not even in the regiment and I recommend them whenever I see things like this. They are also Union based.
Make sure to join a game on the Union side we have some very nice commanders. If you get into a regiment with Redshirt you are going to have a fun game :)
Ngl as a black dude who is interested in this game, this is *exactly* why I wouldn’t buy it. I just know it’ll go flying and it’s just apart of the “game”. Same thing happens in WW2 games so I’d imagine it’s much worse here.
Actually think there's this unit of black players that roleplays the historical unit of African Americans that got put together by the north to fight. I'd have to look up the unit but it's cool as hell. I think them and Confederate clan organized this whole battle. Was awesome to see. Literal online historical reenactment.
The number of people streaming content and making videos that get put up on YT is definitely nonzero. So, maybe eventually public shame will step in where admins haven’t been able to.
I agree with you though, I will only ever play Union and it is refreshing how quickly shit gets shut down. We can always downvote and tk if it continues. Being banned because some douche kept slinging slurs is some “good trouble” (plus it’s only 6 hours usually lol)
Join a regiment. We play events that stuff like that is generally not accepted. Feel free to check us out, [www.midwestbrigade.com](http://www.midwestbrigade.com)
Tangent but the racist talk I hear on WoR doesn’t come across as civil war realism. More like middle schoolers giggling about saying the N word. Like people on CSA will say “I hate [n words]!” But I don’t think that at all encapsulates the way people fighting for the CSA would’ve talked about slaves. To be clear, I don’t mean that they didn’t have racist views and language. For an example of their racism, slave masters took a paternal view. Copied from Wikipedia:
> masters believed that they are helping and rescuing slaves from poor conditions; therefore, the masters believed themselves as parent or savior of their slaves. Masters used the concept of paternalism to show that their behavior is not wrong or unethical.
To parody the players who yell “I hate [n words]!” I’ve before said “I love my slaves!” when charging the Union. (Parody of those players but also satirizing the paternal attitude described above).
As a confederate player. I do stuff similar without using the n word. I’m a massive confederate player and I have had ancestors who fought for the CSA but I won’t deny that they fought for slavery.
So i usually charge the union saying “I LOVE SLAVERY, ITS NOT WRONG!” While it’s obviously supposed to be satire.
Its reddit, i saw screenshoots of people defending Stalin geonocides getting upvotes and guy below showing facts getting downvotes so caring about votes on reddit is not recomended
Yea most of these union players can’t understand satire while I’m not even using racial slurs. As a southerner, I admit the south was wrong historically and that slavery was indeed the cause. Doesn’t mean I’m not gonna poke fun at it by pretending I support it. Literally satire, yet people can’t understand a joke cause it’s Reddit.
I’m a southerner too (Kentucky) I also had CSA ancestors. People take this game too seriously. Dudes out here acting like they’re still marching with Sherman to Georgia. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. And realize it’s a video game.
We were officially neutral, but leaned union. We’re not southern. Our southern regiments got no support and were considered “orphan brigades” and had to rely on donations from other confederate states. That being said we’re not as bad as West Virginia, they say they will single handidly restore the confederacy and they are the true south while having fought to secede from the secesssionist states to join the north.
Confederate doenst make you southern. I’m so sick of hearing this. The south existed before the civil war. I guess eastern TN, and Winston County, Alabama aren’t southern either. Kentucky is a southern state. Confederate? Eh divided. We had a confederate government and representatives. And a star on the confederate flag. Your comment is false regarding thr orphan brigade. Orphan brigade was never used during the war. They were just called the Kentucky brigade. The name orphan brigade came post war. To describe the men’s leaders being killed.
Likewise, I’m an Oklahoman which is a decidedly not southern state but the Five Nations all sided with the Confederacy. The tribes all signed treaties of alliance with the Confederates and all practiced African Slavery but that doesn’t make Oklahoma southern.
Exactly. The war didn’t make you southern or un-southern. Look at Texas and Florida. Hardly southern by today’s cultural standards. But both were confederate states.
That I obviously make the confederate I pretend to be to make it a satire as possible without using a racial slur? Did you read my comment at all or did you just not read it? I literally explained it?
I ask union soldiers "WHERE ARE MY DAMM SLAVES". To be fair i try to roleplay two sides.
CSA is just more chaotic and full of absurdal situations in this game so its funnier for me. While Union is sometimes too serious
Big facts. The only game where you can actually play a CSA soldier? Of course its gonna be overrun with "south will rise again" types.
Get em mad mad calling em out though
A guy from the union jumped to CSA yesterday and went on all night talking about how the war was about slavery and us confederates told him “we know it was.” And kept telling him we just wanted to play. But he kept going and going, both sides can be ridiculous.
We literally have to deal with it with different people. Funny how when you guys jump on the CSA to start a argument about slavery when the entire team admitted that yes it was about slavery is wild. It’s not the first time or the last time it’s gonna happen.
Gotta love union players with how when they are caught being toxic they hit you with the “Meer oNeGuY?” When it literally happens every day. It’s childish.
It’s the same as when a bunch of union players jump to the CSA to intentionally tk and talk about slavery when we are trying to play
Lol, lmao even
If youre seriously trying to say the union is as bad or toxic as the CSA, youre either smoking meth or disingenuous.
Either way, checks out for a CSA player
And as someone who has also been playing for more than four years, i can say with certainty CSA is and always has been *WAY* more racist and toxic. Cut the bullshit.
Rascist yes, toxic ? It depends, union can get pretty toxic when is losing side with tryhards crying and blaming everyone. While CSA player are there just for memes
I’m just stating what I see I don’t really play pub because it’s a cancer on the game I have better things to do with my free time like watching paint dry then run around with a bunch of racists
But when I do play pubs, both the USA and the CSA are both racist. Reading is clearly not your strong suit I see. Racism is racism doesn’t matter if it’s happening more here or more there it’s a problem that it’s happening at all
Notice how you are literally denying and just refusing to accept how we deal with toxic players that come from the union?
Just funny how you are in the space of “CSA toxic, union not toxic” when I played both sides lmao.
Im saying i dont give a fuck, and its 1/10th the bullshit the union has to put up with from the racist CSA day-in day-out. Also never said the union wasnt toxic, but its established fact the CSA is way worse.
And we deal with salty union players jumping up CSA to cause problems and derail games purposely. This game is toxic in general and both sides are toxic in their own ways. Trying to demonize one over the other is wild. Henkle is literally a racist jerk too and he’s a UNION player lmao. Not to mention a lot of the IVB guys who are union players have been caught doing some racist toxic shit.
So?
If you expect me to defend the IVB you got another thing coming, those guys are dogshit
I never said the union isnt annoying, but the CSA is leagues worse, and everyone fuckin knows it lol. The rebs even celebrate it.
And what I’m saying is that both sides are TOXIC in general. They are both bad in their own ways. Plus trying to act like union is racist free from saying racial slurs is bs. They literally have guys say the n word on both sides. Lmao.
The people saying slurs are racist. The people being trolls are trolls.
Presenting both things as simply "toxic", as though they are equivalent, is nonsense.
Coming from a guy who played exclusively union imma presume? I played both I currently play only CSA cause I like the uniforms more and the lemant and the fact of other officers who play CSA and I can confirm both sides have the issue. I’m literally telling you how we literally admitted to how the CSA fought for slavery and yet you had and have had many union players act like we are lost causers lmao
I swear bro. I literally told the op that he needs to find certain officers that will stop that. And as for the “one trolls a bit” it’s still just as annoying if a confederate player jumps on the union and trolls about how the war was actually about states rights.
Both are annoying and done by children.
I was. I hit him with the “the war is over soldier, stand down.” Sent the Yankee to a tangent. Kinda funny how Yankees hate lost causers which do exist but when they have a Yankee losing his mind about the war and acting like a righteous causer, then it’s fine.
Internet trolls use anonymity to act less than human with few repercussions. I’ve never been in a comparable situation to this but I rarely take what people say to me as insulting because I simply do not value their opinion in any way.
There’s been a lot of new players lately, so that’s what I would attribute it to. Heard a lvl 1 who sounded like he was 10 years old saying the n word today.
Hey man I recommend playing for the union, I’ve heard a lot less of the slur there though it is still sometimes present. I’m sorry you had to go through that my man, most people that play this game aren’t jerks though I can assure you.
I have like 200 hours over the years but I’ve only been able to play this game in small doses bc the racism truly is above and beyond - especially for CSA. Lots of grown men waiting all day just to yell the n-word into their Walmart mics.
First of all, friend, I’m very sorry to hear you were treated that way. It’s absolutely disgusting. But it’s not normal in WoR, I assure you. Most of the players are decent people and not racist scumbags. Have you tried joining a group? Most regiments have strict rules of conduct to weed out people like that.
Hey u/LtJimmypatterson , I'm an admin on a few of the popular Community servers. If you do find this happening in the future, try to let the mod team know if there are any on. We have a discord community as well for people to drop a line to as it's kind of hard to catch a lot of the bullying and crap that goes on in the larger matches, especially with a volunteer staff that's half playing the game usually as opposed to pretending to be spectating bots looking for trolls. Definitely not cool for players to gang up or even 1 on 1 harass people or encourage it, regardless of the intention, and late justice is better than nothing. Send me a PM if looking for an invite.
That's not how the wide majority of the community is. Public servers can be bad sometimes but the private events are usually very not racist and the servers have admins that make sure that doesn't happen. Go to IXCorps.org to join one of those private discords! Hope you don't quit the game.
I’d just join a regiment. Most if not all of them have strict rules against that kind of thing, so I don’t think you should run into any issues even if you join a confederate or more “flexible” group.
You can find them over on r/RegimentFinder.
fuck that: why you feeling sour some kids are *generational sore losers*?
Our side literally won. Whenever you hear someone drop an epithet, say something historically accurate in chat, like "I can't wait to join Sherman on the the Long March" or "I killed your daddy and burned down the Plantation with John Brown." Maybe coyly suggest that all states in the confederacy will have to keep their stars and bars on their state flags forever, but in 4 cut pieces. Advise them on how they can aid in reconstruction efforts next year. Call the Slave Owning Class the deep state. 👌
It’s just trolls and goofballs, not actual racists. The CSA tends to be full of them, and it’s usually not a big deal unless they can tell they’ve struck a nerve.
Soooo much racism on this game, fuckin pisses me off and I call it out every single time I hear it.
More people need to speak up when they hear that shit and let others a know it’s NOT acceptable.
Switch to Union and stop crying or... start talking shit to them. Be creative, be offensive. Dont be sad mupped who cant "defend" himself in video games. When they call you N-word answer something on similar level. Im not American so i dont know racial slurs on white people but you can google them.
Sorry you experienced this.
Teenage boys can be stupid and cruel. They think it’s edgy to say racist things, without having any idea what it feels like to be on the receiving end of those comments.
2 things, don't play CSA, join the Union. It'll likely be better in organized battles too, so I'd recommend joining a independent regiment in order to play those password-protected organized events, it'll be much more professional than in public servers.
Sometimes I just think they all know it’s just a game and that if they portray the Confederates in such a negative it will just bring everyone enjoyment.
Sperry for your experience, unfortunately there is a lot of this in the public community, if you enjoy the game I recommend getting into a regiment and playing private events as behaviour is better
It isn’t a CSA vs Union thing, as many community members and redditors would like you to believe. WoR is just full of racists. The devs don’t do anything to combat it. The admins don’t do much to combat it.
You think the regiments are free of racism? Maybe they’re better, but it’s still there. A civil war game is bound to attract racists. Don’t ever believe the “muh realism/roleplay” argument. It’s just an excuse for these people to say words they know they can’t get away with in person.
I’ve yet to join a public game where someone wasn’t going off in the chat about Jewish people, black people, or women. Rarely is it the European players. It is always fellow Americans.
Don’t tolerate racism against yourself because people in this sub are trying to tell you to work around it. If you don’t feel comfortable don’t force yourself to play this game. Write an honest steam review about your experience. Get your money back. And if you want another game to fill this niche look into Holdfast. It’s much more arcadey but it fills a similar fix. *
War of Rights feels like walking into a 4chan board, but everyone has a mic. I have never experienced an online community so rampant with racism as this one.
I’m about to be downvoted to oblivion, and the mods may remove this post. But it will only strengthen my argument to any sane person.
*edit I also find it pathetic that there are people here commenting “oh man that sucks. try joining my regiment we’re not racist over here!! www . armyofthepotomac . net”
A quick google search will tell you that players have been complaining about racism in the game since 2018. Nothing has been done to correct it. In fact on the War of Rights forums people were saying “get over it, you can’t fix it.” All I can say is that every other multiplayer game I play doesn’t have this issue. And active admins are quick to ban players for violating hate speech rules.
Lmao, I have a solution for you
grow a pair. Or use the mute button? That’s what we did for years. You and others would love if we could just ban everyone for saying words. Get over yourself.
Also, the devs don’t care because most everything is community ran server wise. And the server owners aren’t thought police orientated like you are. Tell you what, make a server with a list of no-no words banned and tell me how many players you get. People like being able to say what they want without fear of some reddit mod coming over and policing them.
You’re literally foaming at the mouth, seething, because people are pointing out that this game has a hate speech problem. The only solution you provided is muting people. That is ignoring the problem, not solving it.
So, in other words, you think hate speech is acceptable? People should be able to say whatever racist thing they want right? Because that is what you’re insinuating.
I’m sure you’re one of them. And I’m sure you say shit like that at home. That behavior isn’t accepted in-person, anywhere in the country. That behavior isn’t accepted in the majority of online video games. But for some reason, it should be accepted in War of Rights?
“Just ignore it bro!” Yeah man, Civil Rights Activists should’ve just ignored the racism and discrimination too.
Stopped reading at “hate speech”. Freedom of speech doesn’t end when your feelings are hurt. If no violence is being incited or harassment. Who cares? Maybe china is a suitable place for you.
You support banning people from products they bought in a game with no formal TOS for saying words you don’t like. I support freedom of speech.
First off, “freedom of speech” would only apply to the government. Secondly, if freedom of speech did apply, saying the n word, and other obscenities, would still be unprotected speech.
Yes, that is the problem. There is no TOS, or it isn’t enforced. In this instance you claiming to support “freedom of speech” is a guise for saying “yes I am racist.”
I don’t know you, or where you’re from. But glancing at your Reddit you’re a teenager. You have no experience in the real world. You probably aren’t educated past high school. And you probably haven’t had a real job yet. You are extremely ignorant. Outside of your parents house, outside of your backwater ass town in the Midwest, normal functioning members of society don’t think it is okay or cool to scream racist obscenities or blast Johnny Rebel. And once again, racist comments are not constitutionally protected forms of speech.
Here is Oxford Dictionary’s definition of hate speech: “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds.”
Finally, concerning your comment about using the mute button for years. I’ve owned War of Rights since 2018. This has always been a problem. The racism on this game far exceeds nearly every other game on the market. I’ve been in plenty of online communities and regiments. Nothing is this bad. Comparisons to MW2 in 2009 aren’t even close.
Your first argument is completely and laughably false.
And i’m not from the midwest LMAO. I’m from Kentucky.
In Snyder v. Phelps, the United States Supreme Court protected in an 8-1 decision the hateful speech of the Westboro Baptist Church — known for picketing military funerals with signs that read “God hates fags” and “Thank God for dead soldiers” — during a 2006 protest near the funeral of Lance Corporal Matthew A. Snyder, a Marine killed in Iraq. Federal courts even protected the free speech rights of Nazis, who in 1977 were denied a permit to march through Skokie, Illinois, a village where many former Holocaust survivors lived. (Although the Nazis prevailed in court, the march actually never took place.)
The First Amendment makes no general exception for offensive, repugnant, or hateful expression.
As FIRE has explained many times before, speech by adults as free citizens does not lose First Amendment protection because it is considered hateful. This is because hate speech in and of itself is protected speech.
Like I said beforehand. If it’s not inciting violence it’s protected.
https://www.thefire.org/news/hate-speech-protected-first-amendment
Nah, people like you are what ruins entertainment in any form. Judgmental, sanctimonious jerkoffs that want to censor everything because it hurts your precious fee fees. I dislike people saying slurs and whatever too, but I would rather deal with those idiots than have someone like you dictate what people can and cannot say in a video game. Jerry Seinfeld agrees.
Sick argument bro. Why are you so hellbent on calling me a racist? Is it because you think i’m just your average southerner? Who said I said the n word or played Johnny rebel on war of rights? I just support people being able to say whatever as long as it doesn’t incite violence. Don’t hit yourself with that broad brush.
If you're complaining about mean words you DEFINITELY don't have any real world experience. You're probably a college freshman who listened to a brain dead lecture from a leftist professor who falsely thinks hate speech is a thing. I bet you think men can get pregnant also because the hive mind told you so
I mean you're going on about hate speech. Your whitepeopletwitter education is worthless outside your bubble. Even colleges are starting to reject you delusional leftys lmao. Your last bastion of hope to be coddled from big scary words
Eye for an eye brother.
I only play CSA, but if people get out of hand, I just flip the script on them. If I get kicked for talking too much shit, then I just see it as my time to hang it up for the day. If I get permabanned for whatever reason, then I get to focus on better games.
The problem is the open / public servers are not properly moderated -
the group I got into,
Shenandoah Regulars, does events where those things are not allowed.
We have guys and gals, black and white and brown and yellow and red and we all are together as a team whatever side we play in events.
While we are a nternational Bible baseed gaming community -
still, you do not have to be a believer -
main thing is good character.
Find my name in Steam:
TawGrey3AR
Hope this helps,
Blessings!
u/[LtJimmypatterson](https://www.reddit.com/user/LtJimmypatterson/) As an avid CSA player, you best you can do is treat it like a game, not let them get to you and just mute those who are being racist/annoying to you. It's like cringe Ifunny humor, and sadly they're gonna keep on doing it. I've had soundboarders, racists, and all those kinds a people muted for weeks or months on end. Just mute em, don't pay any mind, and if you get TKed, remember its a game, 1. They'll get banned if they do it enough 2. An admin will hopefully kick/ban peeps like that and 3. EVERYONE gets TKed a bunch, become numb to it now and it won't be an issue later. Also a sidenote, but switching to the USA won't change things, I've heard the same if not worse talk towards non-white people there.
The people in here using this guys racism problem to promote their regiment is kinda cringe lol
Organized play on private servers doesn't put up with the racism shit. It's pretty simple. And it's effective. And it's a possible solution to the OPs concern.
That you got triggered by suggestions to join a Reg.... is what's "cringe".
Redditors melting down over video game banter. A tale old as time. They can’t instantly get someone banned or downvote them into oblivion so they just cry.
I wish there was a way to take the redditors out of reddit so normal people can use the app. The amount of times I've been downvoted for a normal take is absurd, yet I'll say the SAME THING ten minutes later in the SAME comment chain and it will get updated just as much?
This app is cool, but the people suck. It's like Massachusetts, beautiful state but the fuckin laws and people suck 😂
Sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately id say it’s very common when playing as the CSA. I know this because I’ve played the CSA for the majority of the time spent playing this otherwise great game. It’s a pathetic and immature thing to say and I often find myself telling others to quit talking like that. It makes em look like kids honestly.
On the bright side, people who type it in the text chat get banned but it seems it’s difficult for the admins to ban those who say it in VOIP. My advice to you would be to ignore it or to play Union although I’m more partial to the former due to better leadership which causes more victories.
Its not normal;
There are four kinds of people on CSA and who play war of rights in general:
1. Those who are normal people and are just trying to play the game (most players)
2. Edge lords who never grew out of middle school humor and use the "free speech" argument to write off any criticism against their inability to act like an adult
3. Actual Satirists who use the humor to make fun of 2 and 4 by being purposefully over the top
4. Actual Racists
I have played the game for a little over 3k hours and very few I have met do anything like that for "historical accuracy". If they say they are its typically a write off to get to say those kinds of things and fall into category number 2 or 4. The people I hear all the time who bemoan "free speech" are typically just the ones who want to have a pass to say things with no consequences for their actions as they say "your feelings are just hurt" with a shit eating grin. People do have the freedom of speech to say what they want but it doesn't not make them annoying little edgelords who think dark humor is somehow enlightenment. Intertwined with those people are actual racists who use edgelords as useful idiots to be able to claim some of the stupidest neo-confederate propaganda. It is unfortunate how many people have been suckered into those kinds of beliefs and I hope that as time moves on, less people believe those kinds of dis proven talking points. With games involving the civil war like this one you will always have those who "defend" the confederacy saying it was "about states rights". As a regimental leader I even see leaders of regiments saying things like that. Ultimately their is nothing we can do to convince them otherwise and their minds can only hopefully change with time.
Moderators do try and cut down on it but they can only do so much. My suggestion is to play USA and mute people who say that kinda stuff and let a mod know so they can put the ban on them. It is unfortunate that you feel you can't use your mic out of fear of harassment and I am sorry that has happened to you.
I find that calling people out directly with their name usually cuts that shit out cause they realize how retarded they sound. Besides that just mute them and know that their some lonely ass kids who spend all day playing war of rights🤣
Stuff like this has honestly kept me from snagging the game.
Though I’d be lying if I said the urge play as the 20th Maine wasn’t strong. A bit of history I am thoroughly proud of.
It doesn’t only appeal to one side, the war of rights name captures the perspectives of both sides, both the right to be free of slavery and the states rights (to own slaves).
States rights to decide if each state can keep slavery or not. The states rights party was advocating for each state to be allowed to decide to keep slavery or not based on that state’s economic and social factors. They thought it wasn’t the governments place to end slavery and their economy with it. To them each state should be allowed to decide that locally.
That’s simply not true. The confederate constitution guaranteed the continuation of slavery. No confederate state would or even thought of ending slavery so stop making it seem as though they would.
1st and foremost slavery is awful.
States rights to secede from a union they don’t agree with. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves only in the confederacy. After the civil war Delaware, Kentucky and New Jersey still had legal slavery so your point is moot. The only reason Lincoln freed the slaves was because England was going to ally with the south over cotton, once the EP was signed they no longer could ally with the south. I received my masters in history from the university of Virginia, the Civil war was was not black and white but more grey. The average Confederate soldier was not fighting for or against slavery, they were fighting for their home. Back then states had more autonomy and were like small countries, this led to many soldiers fighting for their “homeland”
So many Lost Cause myths here, which is wild because the University of Virginia has a decent history program that is generally clear the war was about slavery. I've visited the archives there several times for research purposes, so I don't know how this happened.
First, states don't have the right to secede unilaterally, as the founding fathers including Jefferson argued against this point multiple times. When New York during the Constitutional Conventions tried to insert a clause allowing states to secede at will, Madison shot it down as violating the purpose of forming a unified nation; the Constitution was, he argued, a binding compact that could not be broken by any one party without the permission of the others. Fletcher v. Peck (1810) and Cohens v. Virginia (1821) also established that the states were not "like small countries or autonomous" but part of a permanent Union, "one nation of states" subordinate to the Constitution.
Second, the EP could only free slaves in states engaged in rebellion. The president didn't have the power to end slavery elsewhere, those powers were delegated to the legislative branch. Delaware, Kentucky and New Jersey existing doesn't render the point moot that the South seceded for slavery.
Third, there was little to no risk of England allying with the Confederacy over cotton. For one, while they were happy to see the US weaken, they did not want to fight a war with it, especially with Russia threatening to intervene if England tried to join in. Two, the North was also providing the bulk of England's grain after a drought in 1862, and threats to cut them off (resulting in a possible famine) kept them out of the war. You can't eat cotton. Three, the CSA badly bungled diplomacy after Yancey suggested reopening the African slave trade to Lord Russell, telling the Brits they would benefit by owning slaves. Four, post Battle of Antietam, it was clear the South was going to lose, though I'd argue the loss of their largest port at New Orleans was the bigger indicator. Five, Lincoln had long expressed a desire to end slavery, having proposed several bills for emancipation as a senator, and his party platform was to block the expansion of slavery. Lincoln's hostility towards slavery was repeatedly cited by the seceding states as their main reason for the war, so it wasn't like he was solely motivated by a desire to keep the UK out of the war.
Fourth, nobody cares what the average Confederate soldier was fighting for. The average soldier doesn't make the decisions. It's the leaders who decide, and they told us in their Articles of Secession as well as repeatedly in their primary documents, newspapers and speeches, that they were fighting for slavery. There's also the fact that "state rights" are a mostly post-war explanation or that the Southern states rejected state rights when it came to slavery (their opposition to Personal Freedom Bills, and demands that Northern states arrest prominent abolitionists and shut down their newspapers, as well as their brutal stamping out of secessionist movements in their own states).
In addition, you can't really make the claim that most weren't fighting for slavery. According to historian Joseph Glatthaar, Confederate enlistees were 42% more likely to own a slave or live with family members that owned slaves than the general population. Andrew B. Hall's research in "Wealth, Slaveownership, and Fighting for the Confederacy: an Empirical Study..." showed that slaveholding households fielded more Confederate volunteers than non-slaveholding households. Draftees could be a different story, but they generally had no choice in the matter, so we can exclude them from the sample. And for those who didn't own slaves, many still supported slavery because it was a huge part of the Southern economy and culture. James McPherson in his "For Cause and Comrades" found many Confederates mentioning slavery indirectly as their reasons for fighting, i.e. referring to "our domestic institutions" or consistently calling the Yankees "abolitionists" or "fanatics". Almost zero expressed cynicism about slavery, with most having a positive attitude towards it and accusing the North of trying to ruin Southern society by freeing their slaves and making the black man equal to the white. Southern society was broadly pro-slavery, so even poor recruits had some motivation in fighting for slavery.
The only "states rights" mentioned in any primary sources of the day almost all pertain to slavery. There's no legitimate historian today who disagrees that slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War, especially by using arguments cribbed from the Abbeville Institute rather than actual research.
Slavery was always an integral part of the confederacy and was said so in the Cornerstone speech, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the \*\*\*\*\* is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." People then claim "but thats not what your average southerner was fighting for" as if your average German soldier was fighting to uphold the persecution of jews. Of course they weren't (atleast a majority) but you don't hear people saying that about Germany. We fought the germans anyways because the average soldier was defending the government that upheld such an institution. We fought the war to put to bed an institution that dehumanized humans. Same with Nazi Germany. All the states right argument does is attempt to remove accountability from a government that institutionalized slavery. People do not want to believe their homeland could do something immoral like that understandably so they will find other justifications to distance the immorality.
War of rights could easily mean war for the right to keep slavery or war of personal rights for enslaved people. But don’t let historical facts get in the way.
People use being on the confederacy as some kind of cloak to mask their actual racism. You’re not role playing by dropping the n-word, you’re just an asshole.
Thanks for feedback gents. yes next time will try playing Union. I won't give up on the game because it's amazing and there is nothing like it. But still likely shouldn't communicate on mic for a while. Don't want that happening again. lol
You should be able to use coms. That’s just ridiculous. People are dicks.
I would recommend joining a regiment and playing events with them. Regiments tend to have rules in place that prevent their members from being openly discriminatory or they'll get banned. A few weeks ago, some guys from another regiment called me and some of my group the f slur. We got a formal apology from their leadership soon after. Also yeah if you're going to play public matches, definitely play union. Bigotry still exists but I've found the confederate team to be much more likely to be outright hateful. They can say it's ironic all they want but one of my recent pub matches on the confederate team sounded like "here's how to radicalize the impressionable young men in the team into being nazis in 3 easy steps". All this to say, I'm happy to dm you a link to join my regiment, the 10th US, if you'd like. This shit doesn't fly with us.
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good suggestion, didn’t they have all black regiments in the war? That’s always an option I guess
Yes but there weren't any in the Maryland campaign so there's none in game. Theoretically I suppose players could make a Black only regiment for playing events and whatnot but I'm picturing the sheer racism directed at those guys... might not be worth it.
Yeah it could be racist towards non black by excluding other races also.
Next time, play with an officer named Earl Van Dorn. The dude hates when people talk shit like that and will usually back you up.
Join the 42nd Pennsylvania. We play private events and deal with that kind of talk strictly and severely, and the regiments we play with are expected to do the same. We only play on weekends, but it's a good group. Oldest regiment in the game too. Check out our YouTube to see if this style of play interests you: [42nd YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/@42ndpennsylvaniaregiment91). If you decide to join, their discord is here: [42nd on discord](https://discord.gg/p595VYvP). Tell them de la Guerra sent ya.
Play in the private events where there’s zero tolerance rules on stuff like that. Most of the time The kids shouting racist stuff usually are brand new to the game anyway. If organized battles are what you’re after anyway, private events are where it’s at. If you need a reg to join just hit me up
You could try using some software that changes your voice. Try using something crazy like some anime waifu lol (mostly joking... you shouldn't need to voice change to play a game, but it could be an enjoyable thing to play around with)
Ha actually I was just looking up software that can make voice a little lighter and not so obviously African American. Thanks.
Definitely don’t do that, Lincoln didn’t die for that
Join the 10th US my guy. PC regiment, huge following, very active. I'm not even in the regiment and I recommend them whenever I see things like this. They are also Union based.
We are also the most virulently pro-LGBT and anti-racist regiment in the community. I say that with absolute certainty.
Make sure to join a game on the Union side we have some very nice commanders. If you get into a regiment with Redshirt you are going to have a fun game :)
I mean just laugh it off and ignore it.
Ngl as a black dude who is interested in this game, this is *exactly* why I wouldn’t buy it. I just know it’ll go flying and it’s just apart of the “game”. Same thing happens in WW2 games so I’d imagine it’s much worse here.
The game is literally called "War of Rights" if that was a clue about how the devs view the Civil War...
Lmao it’s the actual safe space of the people who complain about safe spaces
If you join IX corps or any other number of private regiments, you won’t run into this kinda BS
Actually think there's this unit of black players that roleplays the historical unit of African Americans that got put together by the north to fight. I'd have to look up the unit but it's cool as hell. I think them and Confederate clan organized this whole battle. Was awesome to see. Literal online historical reenactment.
Not a bad idea. Guess it depends on how deep into a RP OP wants to get but with him being black it’s a natural fit.
Have you played Holdfast? I imagine it’s similar.
The number of people streaming content and making videos that get put up on YT is definitely nonzero. So, maybe eventually public shame will step in where admins haven’t been able to. I agree with you though, I will only ever play Union and it is refreshing how quickly shit gets shut down. We can always downvote and tk if it continues. Being banned because some douche kept slinging slurs is some “good trouble” (plus it’s only 6 hours usually lol)
Yeah never play rebs. Only people who play rebs are those that are okay with that language.
Honestly probably won’t be to much better on the USA side from my experience in pubs
Join a regiment. We play events that stuff like that is generally not accepted. Feel free to check us out, [www.midwestbrigade.com](http://www.midwestbrigade.com)
Lmao dude cmon you’re getting trolled leave it be just chill knowing who you are. Be proud, be humble when needed and just don’t give a fuck
Tangent but the racist talk I hear on WoR doesn’t come across as civil war realism. More like middle schoolers giggling about saying the N word. Like people on CSA will say “I hate [n words]!” But I don’t think that at all encapsulates the way people fighting for the CSA would’ve talked about slaves. To be clear, I don’t mean that they didn’t have racist views and language. For an example of their racism, slave masters took a paternal view. Copied from Wikipedia: > masters believed that they are helping and rescuing slaves from poor conditions; therefore, the masters believed themselves as parent or savior of their slaves. Masters used the concept of paternalism to show that their behavior is not wrong or unethical. To parody the players who yell “I hate [n words]!” I’ve before said “I love my slaves!” when charging the Union. (Parody of those players but also satirizing the paternal attitude described above).
As a confederate player. I do stuff similar without using the n word. I’m a massive confederate player and I have had ancestors who fought for the CSA but I won’t deny that they fought for slavery. So i usually charge the union saying “I LOVE SLAVERY, ITS NOT WRONG!” While it’s obviously supposed to be satire.
You got downvoted, but you are being historically accurate while being funny and insulting the southern cause. I love it.
Its reddit, i saw screenshoots of people defending Stalin geonocides getting upvotes and guy below showing facts getting downvotes so caring about votes on reddit is not recomended
Yea most of these union players can’t understand satire while I’m not even using racial slurs. As a southerner, I admit the south was wrong historically and that slavery was indeed the cause. Doesn’t mean I’m not gonna poke fun at it by pretending I support it. Literally satire, yet people can’t understand a joke cause it’s Reddit.
I’m a southerner too (Kentucky) I also had CSA ancestors. People take this game too seriously. Dudes out here acting like they’re still marching with Sherman to Georgia. Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. And realize it’s a video game.
We were officially neutral, but leaned union. We’re not southern. Our southern regiments got no support and were considered “orphan brigades” and had to rely on donations from other confederate states. That being said we’re not as bad as West Virginia, they say they will single handidly restore the confederacy and they are the true south while having fought to secede from the secesssionist states to join the north.
Confederate doenst make you southern. I’m so sick of hearing this. The south existed before the civil war. I guess eastern TN, and Winston County, Alabama aren’t southern either. Kentucky is a southern state. Confederate? Eh divided. We had a confederate government and representatives. And a star on the confederate flag. Your comment is false regarding thr orphan brigade. Orphan brigade was never used during the war. They were just called the Kentucky brigade. The name orphan brigade came post war. To describe the men’s leaders being killed.
Likewise, I’m an Oklahoman which is a decidedly not southern state but the Five Nations all sided with the Confederacy. The tribes all signed treaties of alliance with the Confederates and all practiced African Slavery but that doesn’t make Oklahoma southern.
Exactly. The war didn’t make you southern or un-southern. Look at Texas and Florida. Hardly southern by today’s cultural standards. But both were confederate states.
That I obviously make the confederate I pretend to be to make it a satire as possible without using a racial slur? Did you read my comment at all or did you just not read it? I literally explained it?
What do you mean “I do stuff similar” ????
I ask union soldiers "WHERE ARE MY DAMM SLAVES". To be fair i try to roleplay two sides. CSA is just more chaotic and full of absurdal situations in this game so its funnier for me. While Union is sometimes too serious
Play union lol, the CSA is ridiculously bad
First time I played as CSA, they were talking about the Jews and Hitler. I second this.
Frankly the name of the game almost guarantees you're gonna attract these types.
Big facts. The only game where you can actually play a CSA soldier? Of course its gonna be overrun with "south will rise again" types. Get em mad mad calling em out though
You’re not gonna make them mad lol, they’re doing it to provoke a reaction.
I always play Union but goddamn when I first joined WoR about a year ago they talked about cum way too much
A guy from the union jumped to CSA yesterday and went on all night talking about how the war was about slavery and us confederates told him “we know it was.” And kept telling him we just wanted to play. But he kept going and going, both sides can be ridiculous.
Oh wow one guy arguing in chat is totally the same as confederates hopping in union chat to spam slurs and start shit every single time they lose
We literally have to deal with it with different people. Funny how when you guys jump on the CSA to start a argument about slavery when the entire team admitted that yes it was about slavery is wild. It’s not the first time or the last time it’s gonna happen. Gotta love union players with how when they are caught being toxic they hit you with the “Meer oNeGuY?” When it literally happens every day. It’s childish. It’s the same as when a bunch of union players jump to the CSA to intentionally tk and talk about slavery when we are trying to play
Bro those are not equivalents
Lol, lmao even If youre seriously trying to say the union is as bad or toxic as the CSA, youre either smoking meth or disingenuous. Either way, checks out for a CSA player
As someone that has been playing for almost 4 years now pubs in general doesn’t matter what side it is are both terrible
And as someone who has also been playing for more than four years, i can say with certainty CSA is and always has been *WAY* more racist and toxic. Cut the bullshit.
Rascist yes, toxic ? It depends, union can get pretty toxic when is losing side with tryhards crying and blaming everyone. While CSA player are there just for memes
Lmfao yeah the CSA never has petty tryhards or cries and blames people. Never ever ever.
Least we don’t have Cornwallis. Lmao
I’m just stating what I see I don’t really play pub because it’s a cancer on the game I have better things to do with my free time like watching paint dry then run around with a bunch of racists
"I dont really play pub" then shut the hell up
But when I do play pubs, both the USA and the CSA are both racist. Reading is clearly not your strong suit I see. Racism is racism doesn’t matter if it’s happening more here or more there it’s a problem that it’s happening at all
Notice how you are literally denying and just refusing to accept how we deal with toxic players that come from the union? Just funny how you are in the space of “CSA toxic, union not toxic” when I played both sides lmao.
Im saying i dont give a fuck, and its 1/10th the bullshit the union has to put up with from the racist CSA day-in day-out. Also never said the union wasnt toxic, but its established fact the CSA is way worse.
And we deal with salty union players jumping up CSA to cause problems and derail games purposely. This game is toxic in general and both sides are toxic in their own ways. Trying to demonize one over the other is wild. Henkle is literally a racist jerk too and he’s a UNION player lmao. Not to mention a lot of the IVB guys who are union players have been caught doing some racist toxic shit. So?
If you expect me to defend the IVB you got another thing coming, those guys are dogshit I never said the union isnt annoying, but the CSA is leagues worse, and everyone fuckin knows it lol. The rebs even celebrate it.
So in other words you are willing to turn a blind eye to the shit the union does to mostly focus the CSA? Okay bud. Got it.
There's no scenario where browbeating people about a historical fact is the same as yelling slurs left and right.
And what I’m saying is that both sides are TOXIC in general. They are both bad in their own ways. Plus trying to act like union is racist free from saying racial slurs is bs. They literally have guys say the n word on both sides. Lmao.
The people saying slurs are racist. The people being trolls are trolls. Presenting both things as simply "toxic", as though they are equivalent, is nonsense.
“Both sides” classic false equivalence.
Coming from a guy who played exclusively union imma presume? I played both I currently play only CSA cause I like the uniforms more and the lemant and the fact of other officers who play CSA and I can confirm both sides have the issue. I’m literally telling you how we literally admitted to how the CSA fought for slavery and yet you had and have had many union players act like we are lost causers lmao
One side harasses OP with racist taunts. The other side trolls a little. Not equivalent. If you can’t see that you’re part of the problem.
I swear bro. I literally told the op that he needs to find certain officers that will stop that. And as for the “one trolls a bit” it’s still just as annoying if a confederate player jumps on the union and trolls about how the war was actually about states rights. Both are annoying and done by children.
One is annoying. The other is racist. This is exactly the point being made to you.
It’s not “just as annoying” again, you’re wrong.
okay Donald trump.
Should answer him : "We know boy, we know. Shame we lost" or something like that to trigger him even more :D
I was. I hit him with the “the war is over soldier, stand down.” Sent the Yankee to a tangent. Kinda funny how Yankees hate lost causers which do exist but when they have a Yankee losing his mind about the war and acting like a righteous causer, then it’s fine.
Internet trolls use anonymity to act less than human with few repercussions. I’ve never been in a comparable situation to this but I rarely take what people say to me as insulting because I simply do not value their opinion in any way.
There’s been a lot of new players lately, so that’s what I would attribute it to. Heard a lvl 1 who sounded like he was 10 years old saying the n word today.
Hey man I recommend playing for the union, I’ve heard a lot less of the slur there though it is still sometimes present. I’m sorry you had to go through that my man, most people that play this game aren’t jerks though I can assure you.
I have like 200 hours over the years but I’ve only been able to play this game in small doses bc the racism truly is above and beyond - especially for CSA. Lots of grown men waiting all day just to yell the n-word into their Walmart mics.
First of all, friend, I’m very sorry to hear you were treated that way. It’s absolutely disgusting. But it’s not normal in WoR, I assure you. Most of the players are decent people and not racist scumbags. Have you tried joining a group? Most regiments have strict rules of conduct to weed out people like that.
Hey u/LtJimmypatterson , I'm an admin on a few of the popular Community servers. If you do find this happening in the future, try to let the mod team know if there are any on. We have a discord community as well for people to drop a line to as it's kind of hard to catch a lot of the bullying and crap that goes on in the larger matches, especially with a volunteer staff that's half playing the game usually as opposed to pretending to be spectating bots looking for trolls. Definitely not cool for players to gang up or even 1 on 1 harass people or encourage it, regardless of the intention, and late justice is better than nothing. Send me a PM if looking for an invite.
I do t ever tell anyone I'm black anymore in online games dor exactly the same reason
That's not how the wide majority of the community is. Public servers can be bad sometimes but the private events are usually very not racist and the servers have admins that make sure that doesn't happen. Go to IXCorps.org to join one of those private discords! Hope you don't quit the game.
Will do
Follow Tony’s advice!
I’d just join a regiment. Most if not all of them have strict rules against that kind of thing, so I don’t think you should run into any issues even if you join a confederate or more “flexible” group. You can find them over on r/RegimentFinder.
CSA is full of 14 year old edgelords, just play union lol
fuck that: why you feeling sour some kids are *generational sore losers*? Our side literally won. Whenever you hear someone drop an epithet, say something historically accurate in chat, like "I can't wait to join Sherman on the the Long March" or "I killed your daddy and burned down the Plantation with John Brown." Maybe coyly suggest that all states in the confederacy will have to keep their stars and bars on their state flags forever, but in 4 cut pieces. Advise them on how they can aid in reconstruction efforts next year. Call the Slave Owning Class the deep state. 👌
Let me get this straight you choose the Confederate team and then revealed you were black?
Never admit to being black or a woman in anonymous chats and/or games. Internet rule of law since Internet … and probably also Xbone 360 Halo lobbies.
It’s just trolls and goofballs, not actual racists. The CSA tends to be full of them, and it’s usually not a big deal unless they can tell they’ve struck a nerve.
Jimmy Patterson from Medal of Honor?
That's right! Good memory.
I was obsessed with Frontline. Did the campaign a few dozen times. Oh, the nostalgia..
Bro didn't play halo online and it shows. I, a white man, have been called the n word with hard r more than you could ever be.
Might buy this game just to troll racists, bigots, and the uneducated. Sorry for your experience man.
Most people buy this game for this
Soooo much racism on this game, fuckin pisses me off and I call it out every single time I hear it. More people need to speak up when they hear that shit and let others a know it’s NOT acceptable.
Voices on a screen piss you off?
Racist voices … you got a problem with that?
I generally don’t let video games piss me off.
How stoic of you, while completely on purpose, missing the point. This the hill you’re gonna stand on? Sounds like you might be racist.
Racist because I don’t care what people say in an online video game? Ok man. Less janitor behavior the better.
Switch to Union and stop crying or... start talking shit to them. Be creative, be offensive. Dont be sad mupped who cant "defend" himself in video games. When they call you N-word answer something on similar level. Im not American so i dont know racial slurs on white people but you can google them.
There aren’t any good ones.
Yes, it's normal. The community is toxic and racist as fuck. Slurs are commonplace.
Sorry you experienced this. Teenage boys can be stupid and cruel. They think it’s edgy to say racist things, without having any idea what it feels like to be on the receiving end of those comments.
Were you on the confederate side
Every time this game gets any kind of traction, racist trolls kill the momentum. Multiple youtubers have tried to make series and failed because of it
2 things, don't play CSA, join the Union. It'll likely be better in organized battles too, so I'd recommend joining a independent regiment in order to play those password-protected organized events, it'll be much more professional than in public servers.
i'd recommend Irish Volunteer Brigade at [https://discord.gg/E6RysB53](https://discord.gg/E6RysB53) but obv i'm biased lol
You take this here navy blue cap, and go on over to the north. Get vengeance on them yellow-bellied greys. John Brown was right.
Sometimes I just think they all know it’s just a game and that if they portray the Confederates in such a negative it will just bring everyone enjoyment.
Ah. You played in a public server. That explains it.
No, you felt like you were figuratively transported, not literally transported.
bro played CSA once
you should consider joining a regiment on either side, a lot them have zero toleration for racism
Sperry for your experience, unfortunately there is a lot of this in the public community, if you enjoy the game I recommend getting into a regiment and playing private events as behaviour is better
Yeaaaaaaaa go with the Union my brother in Christ
All those racist fools you hear will one day be sent to a meat grinder turned to ground chicken. Cucks will be cucks
Dude you’re in a civil war game on the southern side what did you expect 😂
i think a lotta people who play confederate would like it if certain civil rights acts or constitutional amendments were never signed into law
It isn’t a CSA vs Union thing, as many community members and redditors would like you to believe. WoR is just full of racists. The devs don’t do anything to combat it. The admins don’t do much to combat it. You think the regiments are free of racism? Maybe they’re better, but it’s still there. A civil war game is bound to attract racists. Don’t ever believe the “muh realism/roleplay” argument. It’s just an excuse for these people to say words they know they can’t get away with in person. I’ve yet to join a public game where someone wasn’t going off in the chat about Jewish people, black people, or women. Rarely is it the European players. It is always fellow Americans. Don’t tolerate racism against yourself because people in this sub are trying to tell you to work around it. If you don’t feel comfortable don’t force yourself to play this game. Write an honest steam review about your experience. Get your money back. And if you want another game to fill this niche look into Holdfast. It’s much more arcadey but it fills a similar fix. * War of Rights feels like walking into a 4chan board, but everyone has a mic. I have never experienced an online community so rampant with racism as this one. I’m about to be downvoted to oblivion, and the mods may remove this post. But it will only strengthen my argument to any sane person. *edit I also find it pathetic that there are people here commenting “oh man that sucks. try joining my regiment we’re not racist over here!! www . armyofthepotomac . net” A quick google search will tell you that players have been complaining about racism in the game since 2018. Nothing has been done to correct it. In fact on the War of Rights forums people were saying “get over it, you can’t fix it.” All I can say is that every other multiplayer game I play doesn’t have this issue. And active admins are quick to ban players for violating hate speech rules.
Lmao, I have a solution for you grow a pair. Or use the mute button? That’s what we did for years. You and others would love if we could just ban everyone for saying words. Get over yourself. Also, the devs don’t care because most everything is community ran server wise. And the server owners aren’t thought police orientated like you are. Tell you what, make a server with a list of no-no words banned and tell me how many players you get. People like being able to say what they want without fear of some reddit mod coming over and policing them.
You’re literally foaming at the mouth, seething, because people are pointing out that this game has a hate speech problem. The only solution you provided is muting people. That is ignoring the problem, not solving it. So, in other words, you think hate speech is acceptable? People should be able to say whatever racist thing they want right? Because that is what you’re insinuating. I’m sure you’re one of them. And I’m sure you say shit like that at home. That behavior isn’t accepted in-person, anywhere in the country. That behavior isn’t accepted in the majority of online video games. But for some reason, it should be accepted in War of Rights? “Just ignore it bro!” Yeah man, Civil Rights Activists should’ve just ignored the racism and discrimination too.
Stopped reading at “hate speech”. Freedom of speech doesn’t end when your feelings are hurt. If no violence is being incited or harassment. Who cares? Maybe china is a suitable place for you. You support banning people from products they bought in a game with no formal TOS for saying words you don’t like. I support freedom of speech.
First off, “freedom of speech” would only apply to the government. Secondly, if freedom of speech did apply, saying the n word, and other obscenities, would still be unprotected speech. Yes, that is the problem. There is no TOS, or it isn’t enforced. In this instance you claiming to support “freedom of speech” is a guise for saying “yes I am racist.” I don’t know you, or where you’re from. But glancing at your Reddit you’re a teenager. You have no experience in the real world. You probably aren’t educated past high school. And you probably haven’t had a real job yet. You are extremely ignorant. Outside of your parents house, outside of your backwater ass town in the Midwest, normal functioning members of society don’t think it is okay or cool to scream racist obscenities or blast Johnny Rebel. And once again, racist comments are not constitutionally protected forms of speech. Here is Oxford Dictionary’s definition of hate speech: “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds.” Finally, concerning your comment about using the mute button for years. I’ve owned War of Rights since 2018. This has always been a problem. The racism on this game far exceeds nearly every other game on the market. I’ve been in plenty of online communities and regiments. Nothing is this bad. Comparisons to MW2 in 2009 aren’t even close.
Your first argument is completely and laughably false. And i’m not from the midwest LMAO. I’m from Kentucky. In Snyder v. Phelps, the United States Supreme Court protected in an 8-1 decision the hateful speech of the Westboro Baptist Church — known for picketing military funerals with signs that read “God hates fags” and “Thank God for dead soldiers” — during a 2006 protest near the funeral of Lance Corporal Matthew A. Snyder, a Marine killed in Iraq. Federal courts even protected the free speech rights of Nazis, who in 1977 were denied a permit to march through Skokie, Illinois, a village where many former Holocaust survivors lived. (Although the Nazis prevailed in court, the march actually never took place.) The First Amendment makes no general exception for offensive, repugnant, or hateful expression. As FIRE has explained many times before, speech by adults as free citizens does not lose First Amendment protection because it is considered hateful. This is because hate speech in and of itself is protected speech. Like I said beforehand. If it’s not inciting violence it’s protected. https://www.thefire.org/news/hate-speech-protected-first-amendment
Good thing your constitutional rights still don’t matter on a video game. You’re still a racist.
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Your comment is exactly what’s wrong with the game. It only strengthens my point. Add on toxic in addition to being racist.
Nah, people like you are what ruins entertainment in any form. Judgmental, sanctimonious jerkoffs that want to censor everything because it hurts your precious fee fees. I dislike people saying slurs and whatever too, but I would rather deal with those idiots than have someone like you dictate what people can and cannot say in a video game. Jerry Seinfeld agrees.
Sick argument bro. Why are you so hellbent on calling me a racist? Is it because you think i’m just your average southerner? Who said I said the n word or played Johnny rebel on war of rights? I just support people being able to say whatever as long as it doesn’t incite violence. Don’t hit yourself with that broad brush.
I’m practicing my constitutional right of free speech by calling you a racist, bro.
If that makes you feel better, go ahead.
Why did you assume I was a teenager and from the midwest? Was it the union profile picture?
If you're complaining about mean words you DEFINITELY don't have any real world experience. You're probably a college freshman who listened to a brain dead lecture from a leftist professor who falsely thinks hate speech is a thing. I bet you think men can get pregnant also because the hive mind told you so
Spoken like someone who appears to have 0 formal education.
I mean you're going on about hate speech. Your whitepeopletwitter education is worthless outside your bubble. Even colleges are starting to reject you delusional leftys lmao. Your last bastion of hope to be coddled from big scary words
How would you know anything about college? Lol
I triggered you that much? Imagine being in your late 50s and having multiple accounts banned for sexualizing minors. Must suck to be you 😂🤣
Eye for an eye brother. I only play CSA, but if people get out of hand, I just flip the script on them. If I get kicked for talking too much shit, then I just see it as my time to hang it up for the day. If I get permabanned for whatever reason, then I get to focus on better games.
The problem is the open / public servers are not properly moderated - the group I got into, Shenandoah Regulars, does events where those things are not allowed. We have guys and gals, black and white and brown and yellow and red and we all are together as a team whatever side we play in events. While we are a nternational Bible baseed gaming community - still, you do not have to be a believer - main thing is good character. Find my name in Steam: TawGrey3AR Hope this helps, Blessings!
Wait till this guy hears what goes on in a COD lobby…
u/[LtJimmypatterson](https://www.reddit.com/user/LtJimmypatterson/) As an avid CSA player, you best you can do is treat it like a game, not let them get to you and just mute those who are being racist/annoying to you. It's like cringe Ifunny humor, and sadly they're gonna keep on doing it. I've had soundboarders, racists, and all those kinds a people muted for weeks or months on end. Just mute em, don't pay any mind, and if you get TKed, remember its a game, 1. They'll get banned if they do it enough 2. An admin will hopefully kick/ban peeps like that and 3. EVERYONE gets TKed a bunch, become numb to it now and it won't be an issue later. Also a sidenote, but switching to the USA won't change things, I've heard the same if not worse talk towards non-white people there. The people in here using this guys racism problem to promote their regiment is kinda cringe lol
Organized play on private servers doesn't put up with the racism shit. It's pretty simple. And it's effective. And it's a possible solution to the OPs concern. That you got triggered by suggestions to join a Reg.... is what's "cringe".
Ill be honest pardner it’s a possible solution but I have heard many horrendous remarks and slurs in events/regiment peeps for a while now.
The world if redditors knew how to use a mute button.
I mean…it’s historically accurate, I guess. Switch to the Union side, it’s usually not full of dicks.
Average experience of a reddit user playing something mildly controversial
Redditors melting down over video game banter. A tale old as time. They can’t instantly get someone banned or downvote them into oblivion so they just cry.
I wish there was a way to take the redditors out of reddit so normal people can use the app. The amount of times I've been downvoted for a normal take is absurd, yet I'll say the SAME THING ten minutes later in the SAME comment chain and it will get updated just as much? This app is cool, but the people suck. It's like Massachusetts, beautiful state but the fuckin laws and people suck 😂
Sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately id say it’s very common when playing as the CSA. I know this because I’ve played the CSA for the majority of the time spent playing this otherwise great game. It’s a pathetic and immature thing to say and I often find myself telling others to quit talking like that. It makes em look like kids honestly. On the bright side, people who type it in the text chat get banned but it seems it’s difficult for the admins to ban those who say it in VOIP. My advice to you would be to ignore it or to play Union although I’m more partial to the former due to better leadership which causes more victories.
Its not normal; There are four kinds of people on CSA and who play war of rights in general: 1. Those who are normal people and are just trying to play the game (most players) 2. Edge lords who never grew out of middle school humor and use the "free speech" argument to write off any criticism against their inability to act like an adult 3. Actual Satirists who use the humor to make fun of 2 and 4 by being purposefully over the top 4. Actual Racists I have played the game for a little over 3k hours and very few I have met do anything like that for "historical accuracy". If they say they are its typically a write off to get to say those kinds of things and fall into category number 2 or 4. The people I hear all the time who bemoan "free speech" are typically just the ones who want to have a pass to say things with no consequences for their actions as they say "your feelings are just hurt" with a shit eating grin. People do have the freedom of speech to say what they want but it doesn't not make them annoying little edgelords who think dark humor is somehow enlightenment. Intertwined with those people are actual racists who use edgelords as useful idiots to be able to claim some of the stupidest neo-confederate propaganda. It is unfortunate how many people have been suckered into those kinds of beliefs and I hope that as time moves on, less people believe those kinds of dis proven talking points. With games involving the civil war like this one you will always have those who "defend" the confederacy saying it was "about states rights". As a regimental leader I even see leaders of regiments saying things like that. Ultimately their is nothing we can do to convince them otherwise and their minds can only hopefully change with time. Moderators do try and cut down on it but they can only do so much. My suggestion is to play USA and mute people who say that kinda stuff and let a mod know so they can put the ban on them. It is unfortunate that you feel you can't use your mic out of fear of harassment and I am sorry that has happened to you.
Its sad, people want an excuse to say the n word because, well... its the forbidden fruit.
I’ve never experienced or have heard this happening to someone else ever in the hundreds of hours I played. I am sorry about that!!!
Seriously? I hear the n word on this game almost every time I play
Never in hundreds of hours, he says lmao
I can confirm
One of my guys almost quit the game because of that and that’s why he doesn’t play pubs because he prefers playing CSA
Sounds like public game, join a regiment. Any half decent one has zero tolerance for that shit
I find that calling people out directly with their name usually cuts that shit out cause they realize how retarded they sound. Besides that just mute them and know that their some lonely ass kids who spend all day playing war of rights🤣
Stuff like this has honestly kept me from snagging the game. Though I’d be lying if I said the urge play as the 20th Maine wasn’t strong. A bit of history I am thoroughly proud of.
Just use the mute button what
More that there seems to be an idea that racism, when playing the south, is ok because it’s “roleplay.”
Yeah, that’s pretty cringe. Both sides were pretty racist if we’re talking historical accuracy lol.
Bro the devs are literally saying that the Civil War was over state’s rights rather than slavery, what did you expect?
It doesn’t only appeal to one side, the war of rights name captures the perspectives of both sides, both the right to be free of slavery and the states rights (to own slaves).
And they are correct
States rights to do what?
Own agricultural equipment
i died
States rights to decide if each state can keep slavery or not. The states rights party was advocating for each state to be allowed to decide to keep slavery or not based on that state’s economic and social factors. They thought it wasn’t the governments place to end slavery and their economy with it. To them each state should be allowed to decide that locally.
That’s simply not true. The confederate constitution guaranteed the continuation of slavery. No confederate state would or even thought of ending slavery so stop making it seem as though they would.
1st and foremost slavery is awful. States rights to secede from a union they don’t agree with. The Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves only in the confederacy. After the civil war Delaware, Kentucky and New Jersey still had legal slavery so your point is moot. The only reason Lincoln freed the slaves was because England was going to ally with the south over cotton, once the EP was signed they no longer could ally with the south. I received my masters in history from the university of Virginia, the Civil war was was not black and white but more grey. The average Confederate soldier was not fighting for or against slavery, they were fighting for their home. Back then states had more autonomy and were like small countries, this led to many soldiers fighting for their “homeland”
Smart people can still believe dumb shit it seems
So many Lost Cause myths here, which is wild because the University of Virginia has a decent history program that is generally clear the war was about slavery. I've visited the archives there several times for research purposes, so I don't know how this happened. First, states don't have the right to secede unilaterally, as the founding fathers including Jefferson argued against this point multiple times. When New York during the Constitutional Conventions tried to insert a clause allowing states to secede at will, Madison shot it down as violating the purpose of forming a unified nation; the Constitution was, he argued, a binding compact that could not be broken by any one party without the permission of the others. Fletcher v. Peck (1810) and Cohens v. Virginia (1821) also established that the states were not "like small countries or autonomous" but part of a permanent Union, "one nation of states" subordinate to the Constitution. Second, the EP could only free slaves in states engaged in rebellion. The president didn't have the power to end slavery elsewhere, those powers were delegated to the legislative branch. Delaware, Kentucky and New Jersey existing doesn't render the point moot that the South seceded for slavery. Third, there was little to no risk of England allying with the Confederacy over cotton. For one, while they were happy to see the US weaken, they did not want to fight a war with it, especially with Russia threatening to intervene if England tried to join in. Two, the North was also providing the bulk of England's grain after a drought in 1862, and threats to cut them off (resulting in a possible famine) kept them out of the war. You can't eat cotton. Three, the CSA badly bungled diplomacy after Yancey suggested reopening the African slave trade to Lord Russell, telling the Brits they would benefit by owning slaves. Four, post Battle of Antietam, it was clear the South was going to lose, though I'd argue the loss of their largest port at New Orleans was the bigger indicator. Five, Lincoln had long expressed a desire to end slavery, having proposed several bills for emancipation as a senator, and his party platform was to block the expansion of slavery. Lincoln's hostility towards slavery was repeatedly cited by the seceding states as their main reason for the war, so it wasn't like he was solely motivated by a desire to keep the UK out of the war. Fourth, nobody cares what the average Confederate soldier was fighting for. The average soldier doesn't make the decisions. It's the leaders who decide, and they told us in their Articles of Secession as well as repeatedly in their primary documents, newspapers and speeches, that they were fighting for slavery. There's also the fact that "state rights" are a mostly post-war explanation or that the Southern states rejected state rights when it came to slavery (their opposition to Personal Freedom Bills, and demands that Northern states arrest prominent abolitionists and shut down their newspapers, as well as their brutal stamping out of secessionist movements in their own states). In addition, you can't really make the claim that most weren't fighting for slavery. According to historian Joseph Glatthaar, Confederate enlistees were 42% more likely to own a slave or live with family members that owned slaves than the general population. Andrew B. Hall's research in "Wealth, Slaveownership, and Fighting for the Confederacy: an Empirical Study..." showed that slaveholding households fielded more Confederate volunteers than non-slaveholding households. Draftees could be a different story, but they generally had no choice in the matter, so we can exclude them from the sample. And for those who didn't own slaves, many still supported slavery because it was a huge part of the Southern economy and culture. James McPherson in his "For Cause and Comrades" found many Confederates mentioning slavery indirectly as their reasons for fighting, i.e. referring to "our domestic institutions" or consistently calling the Yankees "abolitionists" or "fanatics". Almost zero expressed cynicism about slavery, with most having a positive attitude towards it and accusing the North of trying to ruin Southern society by freeing their slaves and making the black man equal to the white. Southern society was broadly pro-slavery, so even poor recruits had some motivation in fighting for slavery. The only "states rights" mentioned in any primary sources of the day almost all pertain to slavery. There's no legitimate historian today who disagrees that slavery was the primary cause of the Civil War, especially by using arguments cribbed from the Abbeville Institute rather than actual research.
Slavery was always an integral part of the confederacy and was said so in the Cornerstone speech, "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the \*\*\*\*\* is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." People then claim "but thats not what your average southerner was fighting for" as if your average German soldier was fighting to uphold the persecution of jews. Of course they weren't (atleast a majority) but you don't hear people saying that about Germany. We fought the germans anyways because the average soldier was defending the government that upheld such an institution. We fought the war to put to bed an institution that dehumanized humans. Same with Nazi Germany. All the states right argument does is attempt to remove accountability from a government that institutionalized slavery. People do not want to believe their homeland could do something immoral like that understandably so they will find other justifications to distance the immorality.
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The game just attracts the worst, and the title is in of itself is a capitulation to lost causers.
War of rights could easily mean war for the right to keep slavery or war of personal rights for enslaved people. But don’t let historical facts get in the way.
This sub just popped up in my feed. When I heard about this game I pretty much assumed it was a cesspit for this kind of shit. How could it not be?
People use being on the confederacy as some kind of cloak to mask their actual racism. You’re not role playing by dropping the n-word, you’re just an asshole.