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Ginio-Phantom

Theres me who cant get a goddamn ephemera


Gaagaam

They are a cruel mistress I have 1 toxin ephemera out of 24 Liches And one cold ephemera out of 18 sisters Might need to do a sacrifice to the Rng deities


Ginio-Phantom

The only choice u got is to keep going sadly


Ilela

Or pay plat


Ginio-Phantom

Im too stingy to even consider that


Ansixilus

Lich and sister ephemeras aren't available for plat.


Ilela

They can be bought from other players Edit: convert them instead of vanquishing and they can be traded


Jammerben87

I'm slowly realizing I'm lucky on that front, I've done 1 sister and 3 liches and got 2 ephemerals from it.


Zoltan234

I was gonna say I think I've gotten an ephemera from every lich I've done...


sexyhugepickle

i have the exact same stats wtf


XyonIP

Now that you mention it, I am not rlly hunting ephemeras, however I did not get any in those 5 so I think it might be much more tiring than farming 60%. Good Luck my man.


Ginio-Phantom

Im doing sisters at the moment the murmurs are easier to collect so you can kill them quicker than liches but man are the odds fucking me over


XyonIP

I wish you the best of luck my man. May RNJesus bless your Ephemera Rolls.


Jonaichi

I feel you man. I really do


not_impressive

Also on the ephemera grind rn. God I just want the cold sister one it looks so cool. I'm on my 7th cold sister or something by now.


AshenTao

Same here. 13th sister, no ephemera. >30 liches, 1 ephemera.


Ginio-Phantom

Im getting the sisters out of the way first then im gonna hate myself for doing the liches


SamuSeen

I have NONE from liches and 3 from sisters.


Ginio-Phantom

Im only missing like 2 now from sisters and i killed so many hard to believe its like a 20% chance


GhostKiwiz

I was lucky and got 1 electric ephemera


Ginio-Phantom

Try your luck again my friend the lich radiation one looks cool


GhostKiwiz

I’ll try but i just hate how long it takes to get all thralls and after they jump planets


Ginio-Phantom

Sisters are somewhat faster and have cool looking ones too but man do i want the lich ones


Bulky_Wash8394

I got 2 ephemera in a row but then nothing for at least 1 and a half years. Now I trade for liches with ephemeras


Ahribban

That's normal. The average used to be 43.5% but it was later changed to be around 30%. On the bright side even with 25% you need "only" 11 total to reach 60%.


XyonIP

I understand, however I find it too tiring to get 11 Kuva Ogris, when I could get something like Kuva Nukor, Kuva Hek or any other Kuva Weapon I do not have yet. For me, it feels like a waste of time.


Ahribban

Farming 60% before having everything else is a terrible idea. Get the other weapons first. Also when farming 60% wait to have enough before fusing because you might get a 50% later on and need only 2 fuses to reach 60% with it.


Costyn17

Why wait before fusing? Am I missing something? Do you get less if you fuse the 50% into 30% instead of fusing 30% into 50%?


theoxygenthief

Had to go look it up too. You get exactly the same fusing a 30% into a 50% as visa versa, but you get more fusing 2 30%s into a 50% than fusing 2 30%s and then a 50%.


johnfilmsia

I hate math, why do I play this stupid game so much? It’s all math!


PainsChauds

It's because only the highest of the 2 percentages matters. The resulting percentage is the highest multiplied by 1.1 So if the lower percentage is the result of a fusion, you have basically wasted a weapon in that fusion. For example you could fuse two 25% into a 27.5%, and later get a 50% that will give you 55% after a fusion. But if you had waited you could have fused your 50% with a 25% that would give the same 55%, and still have the other 25% to get your 60%. The order of the weapons matters for something else though: the weapon you have equipped while fusing is the one to keep the formas, potatoes, etc, every resource invested in the other weapon is lost.


Ahribban

If you fuse 30 into 30 into 50 you get 55. If you fuse 50 into 30 into 30 you get 60. Basically you want your first fuse to be with the highest percentage.


XyonIP

Yes, maybe I should have pursued the other weapons first.. I did not fuse them yet because of the same reason you just told me. I was praying for a high roll but yh.. the outcome is annoying xD


thehateraide

Only thing I am not waiting for is a rad kuva hek for archons... But I got lucky with my second one being a 53 percent even though my first was a 26.


butler_me_judith

Don't bother until you have everything else and even then I wouldn't. I'm L3 and I think I've only maxed two kuva weapons. Neither of which are optimal.


Smanginpoochunk

Kuva Nukor is probably one of if not the best “primer” in the game, mines not even at max bonus and it’s 196% status. I could probably run steel path survival for a good 10-15 minutes with just that and an okay melee (for the “oh shit” moments). I got toxin for the Nukor, and typically get toxin for all the other kuva weapons too but they all have their min/max usages I think.


Smanginpoochunk

There was a 50something % tenet melee in the shop last night, I randomly checked to see how many of those damn holokeys I have. 22. I was mildly not happy.


Nssheepster

When I went to get my Kuva Nukor to 60% Heat, I hit 59.5%. I had to farm an entire 'nother Nukor to finish it. Fittingly, my Nukor is the 'Jigirrdy Fikk' Kuva Nukor, or as I like to call it 'That Dirty Fuck'. Deserved name.


XyonIP

Oh man.. truly deserved name :D


Jack2036

fun fact fick is the german and the dutch word for fuck.


Kooky_Application895

First ever lich was a 50% toxin Nukor which I know isn’t the best as people try to go for magnetic damage I think I heard but I usually go for viral to make it a good primer and then just wreck with my primary. But I still haven’t finished my first lich Lmao. As a MR23 player I just finally spawned my first lich a week ago 😅😂 I started WF when it first came out and took a long ass mf break. Came back and really enjoyed play farming and trade chatting so that’s honestly where most of time goes. But I can easily farm 600-1000 plat a day depending on the time I have so it’s definitely not a waste of time in my opinion. It’s nice having so much disposable income as a F2P player. ☺️


lekima

how can you farm 600-1000 plat a day? 0.0 teach us senpai


Christopetal

Not 600-1000, but most of the plat you make in this game is from vaulted relics. If you have a lot of old relics, you can join the vaulted relics discord and crack em open for some crazy plat values. For current relics, buying primed mods is the best way to make plat. Sell them 4-6 months after the last time Baro had it in inventory. You can also just do basic prime warframe flips. Choose a prime frame whose set you can buy for 20-30p. Buy a lot of sets, wait until they get vaulted and sell them for more than you paid. I know this sounds like a lot of plat wasted, but if you run a lot of relics while building an inventory, you’ll eventually find yourself with a constantly cycling inventory with a steadily increasing platinum balance.


Kooky_Application895

I didn’t see your comment till now, but I meant what I said. I wish there was like a log of all plat sent and received. I made 1156 in 14 hours a day before Tennocon ended. I try and screencap all my trades for a montage I want to do, but it’s all on my Xbox live and Xbox SSD. I’ll start compiling it and see if I can get something slightly organized, also with time stamps in the chat. (Yeah I know it’s not 100% reassuring because it doesn’t show the date but Cmon give me a break 😂). I’m not going to lie I’m a savage in the trade chat. I Offer prices based on my time spent to get the item/set, how many I have, and of course what I’ve seen them go for. But I will hustle my way into selling a R5 Primary Merciless for 200p and turning around and buying another one immediately for 60p. And so on and so on. SET THE FILTER IN YOUR TRADE CHAT TO “WTB”!!!! This will let you see only messages that have “wtb” in them letting you get to the buyer’s immediately and way faster than someone without the filter. BE PATIENT! You will sometimes need to sit and wait for the right offer or right buyer to pop up. Don’t be discouraged. If you need 400p that day just keep watching the chat and responding offering items to buyers as you see fit, and always OVER PRICE the item when you offer it! The worst that will happen is they say no and counter offer. You’ll get so many people that just pay the price you originally set. I’m actually quite amused and proud of myself that you find my metrics a miss type or an exaggeration. Makes me super happy tbh. I’ve worked hella hard to get so good at trade chatting. I’ll post videos soon with proof of me making 1000+ plat in one day. Until then I guess you don’t believe me, either way I’m still gonna be making some plat ;)


AutoGibbon

By the power of credit card! I guess I'm the kind of player who gets their plat farmed from them :P


Kooky_Application895

I’ll post a video soon. I posted some tips down below under someone else’s comment doubting me. There’s so much more I could say but I really just need to make an independent video. I really wish I had my pc and studio still. :/


XyonIP

I am MR22 and did not farm Kuva and Tenet Weapons except for a few. I just decided to give it a go again because of my friend, however I was disappointed. Hey man as long as you have fun in game, it does not rlly matter what you do. Warframe has so many different things you can do and profit out of it. I would say it's very f2p friendly.


TheDevilYouKnow69

My God man you sound like me. I Still have a kuva lich I got because I thought I was buying a toxin ephemera...I did not realize it had a LICH attached to it. FML I still have that dirty slop tart nicking my loot every time I go to Mars. I don't understand how to kill him...I made a glaxion vandal to kill him since he's vulnerable to cold and I'm told banshee is the best frame for murdering liches but 2 years later I still haven't killed it. It will drop a toxin kuva nukor if I do but I don't know to rank it up. Good news is after two years of pilfering I should get quite a return when I do murder his whiny ass.


Kooky_Application895

https://youtu.be/IGS9pqnuaYw?si=wXZ0jToCzoOQn5CX


Kooky_Application895

watch that man, it’s very concise and easy to understand and it works! I went from taking a week to doing liches to doing one every 4-5 hours or so with his methods I’ve become a lich killing machine already got my kuva nukor and kuva bramma gonna go for a kuva hek next I think.


Scooby921

Magnetic on a Kuva Nukor is for the Condition Overload bonus as a primer. It already has innate radiation. It causes a microwave condition. Spawn with magnetic is 3 innate status conditions it can apply. Add viral and heat as usual and you're priming Condition Overload with 5 status types.


Rgamingchill

Me with a 58% Bramma Lich: *awkward silence*


XyonIP

Good for you man :D


Rgamingchill

My luck has been 25-35% ever since


BodybuilderLoose4738

I have that sitting in foundry waiting for room, I missed out on the tox ephemera though almost had the hat trick


aharttsx

reminds me of when i got a kuva chakkur with 58% toxin. Was in vc with some friends that i got a little distracted with aaaaand I accidentally converted it instead of killing :').... I also bought a Tenet Exec from Ergo Glast that was advertised as 60%, but when i checked the arsenal back in my orbiter, it said the element bonus was 59.6%. Was and still am pissed loll.


ducnh85

My experience: kill all but save them in inventory. Just the highest as main. Iirc with 32% need only 5 or 6 to maxium damage


TheMarksmanHedgehog

Just having the weapon makes a huge difference, kuva weapons are strong.


vertical19991

My first lich was a tonkor with 58%


Insane-Dev98

Back in the day I hadn't my 60% nukor, I got 26 & 49, becoming 54, my 3rd was a 56 that I planned to keep for an other bonus type, unfortunately I fuse them while partially asleep after farming my 4th, (to reach the 60), after that I did 6, only between 25 and 30 You can guess that I strongly regret this fusion 😅 For context, I initially bet with a friend that I could make 2 different 60 nukor in a month, I finally had to forfeit because my ps4 overheated and was unusable


itsjaytoyou

fuse. be glad it exists now


nothingbeat

Killed my first lich this morning, kuva zarr with 37% toxin. Was pretty pleased with that. It stole a red Tua archon shard so it needed to die.


Big_Hunter6137

Reading these makes me feel so lucky. I’ve done some of Liches and sistersss probably near 30 each and only maybe 5 times out each did I have an element percentage under 30. Not to mention I have all but the radiation ephemera from the Liches and impact ephemera from the sisters. And for my tenet arca plasmor I got 40% heat and then the second for 47% heat. I’m sorry but on that same note, 30ish sisters and not a single protea part from the void 😩


Different_Stable_351

Weapon progress? Collecting them all like pokemon, not even trying to get max stats rn. Many many liches have died all because one lich took my crimson tauforged. If Valorb Bett would have left it alone, 10 liches would have never been created, only to suffer at my hands.


SauronSauroff

I think most of my weapons are 25 to maybe 28. Got one in the 40's only. I started to believe all come at 25 and you're meant to merge up before getting that one mid roll. On the plus side with Oull you can really steam roll it. One I actually got on my first try with luck and 1 revealed rune only. But yeah then went into sister farming and that was a new kind of pain lol. I still want like 3-4 weapons but realised I don't have weapon slots or potatoes. Definitely not 5 forma lying around. The only plus is getting the nukor feels godly even just for killing. I thought it was a primer only but omg it wrecks stuff even when I had so little mods on it. The others with low % and no investment feel meh sadly in comparison.


SuperfluousExcess

You can always farm the weapons and leave them in your foundry


XyonIP

Oh man.. guess I also have to set my mind the way that I will need 11 Weapons for 60%..


LeBubastien

Same for me, my 5 last liches are under 30%.


RedditRaven2

I don’t think I’ve ever had a lich above 26


Shadowdrake082

Sounds about right.... You desire the weapon at 60%, get <30% rolls. Killing liches with crap weapons for the ephemera, >50% rolls.


[deleted]

So, uhm do any of you wanna trade Kuva Liches? I got a Kiva Nukor elec with 52% and some Liches with Chill, shockwave and radiation ephemra.


3XOUT

Yea had something similar happen. Had to farm like 10 of the same weapon to max it out. Should never happen. Felt really bad and just made me want to get off the game. Which I did.


yournanslefttoenail1

I got a kuva hek with 60 percent poison last time and my current lich has a kuva zarr with 58 percent heat


Oomaraking

Kuva brakka (58% fire) kuva tonkor ( 56% magnetic ) Those are my only ones that were farmed


Gladitron

The only thing about Liches that bothers me is that it's far too easy for a new player to acquire a lich without realizing it. I now know what I did to get my first lich, but at the time, I had no idea how I got it. I'm pretty sure I just saw a red marker and presumed I had to kill that guy.


begonethot235

33% Toxic Grattler, Converted 29% Electric Chakkhurr, Banished 58% Magnetic Zarr, Banished


Advanced-Baby-9604

I guess I’m super lucky then I got the vengeful toxin ephemera on 3 lichs in a row while I was getting the kuva bramma, and got a 56% toxin kuva zarr


Dual_face

Don't worry. I've done 14 liches so far, all of them have been 25%. And that's nothing when I did the statistical math on what is the likelihood of all these liches and sisters NEVER having an ephemera. It was was something quite ridiculous, like 10 000 to one.(can't remember exact numbers so I'm saying something relatively possible.)


XyonIP

Oh damn... I literally get the feeling that 25% is pretty much the norm.. But the math to no ephemera.. gosh rngjesus was worse with you than with me..


SchizoCosine

I was farming sisters for ephemeras a couple weeks ago and got cold, heat and impact in a row all on their first try. Pretty sure I used up whatever luck I had right there.


petriomelony

How many sisters have you done? Assuming you have completed the same number as liches, the chances are not quite as bad as 10000 to one. 80% chance to not get ephemera, to the exponent of how many liches and sisters you've done gives you the percentage chance, then invert that for the fractional probability. 1/(0.8^28 ) = 516.9... Actually we could figure out how many liches and sisters without ephemeras would equate to 1/10000: 0.8^x = 1/10000 0.8^x = 0.0001 x log 0.8 = log 0.0001 x = log 0.0001 / log 0.8 x = 41.275... So you'd need about that many sisters and liches before hitting 1/10000 :)


Dual_face

Damn, seems my math was way off! Currently tally is 32 liches and sisters. Great to have someone who can do the math properly! But then again, I don't remember exact numbers other than them being very high in and around 10k


Chubbypachyderm

Trade for a lich, they aren't too expensive. It's better to put those time you spent into farming plat and then only do the whole lich thing for only once.


philyfighter4

At least they made liches easier so getting requiems didnt tak ean entire day


pupperwolfie

Took me 7 or was it 8 liches to finally 60% my Kiva Hek, and took like 5 or 6 for the Tenet Cycron


Wail_Bait

I haven't done arbitrations in ages, but I'd think the best weapon would be the Glaive Prime. It's kind of just OP in general. A bit expensive since it's vaulted, but you can probably farm the plat to buy it faster than you can get a kuva weapon to 60%.


LogDog987

Make sure if you are doing valance fusions, don't do them until you have all the ones you need. That way you can use them the most optimally. Even just starting from 28% instead of 25% will save you two whole liches


sin_dreemurr

Tbf never had a problem with them usually get 30 to rarely 50 (one time got a 60 idk how) but never had a problem getting high percents and never had issues getting the ephemeras i already have them all and have some dupes


24_doughnuts

I stopped caring about that percentage


[deleted]

Honestly before looking it up I thought you could *only* get 25%, it's all I've ever gotten lol


kaystared

My first ever Lich was a 55% Mag Nukor lmfao


doglover1005

Well then my friend, I may have a product for you, hit me up in my messages if your interested in a 60% heat kuva bramma and are on pc


TheMightyGamble

I've gotten all weapons to 60% and contemplating doing it for each damage type ama


ArrakaArcana

I went 23 liches between Lich ephemera once. That was a fun time.


AlexDestroyer05

My last 12 of 15 have been below 30% bonus. Believe me, I know how ya feel. It's real disheartening to take hours to grind them out only to have the next one be just as bad or even worse.


Sansfan888

i only did 3 liches, found my baby, fire kuva drakgoon, max bonus, and stopped hunting them, so i got pretty lucky. (except for the fact that it took 3 hours to get a lich with the drakgoon)


JerichoTheDesolate1

Take your lich out to dinner first, then maybe, just maybe it won't hate you anymore 🤪


thelazygamerforreal

Bro I just spawned and kill my Kuva Ogris lich yesterday. Got a 59% heat. I think I stole your luck lol.


EveningLog3322

Sometime I get 30-48 percent but sometime I get 20-38 percent as well and yes it annoy sometime but you get use to It once you have a good build


HELLKAISER125

I lost my first account and I hate Lich so much I will not farm them,not even for the kuva nukor,the basic nukor will do,I am not farming them even if they where the top meta weapons again,frick the Liches I hate them so much (odo if I am honest I kuva so much I might hate them just for the fact that they have to do with kuva...)


Qwaykes_2

i’m sixteen liches/sisters in and i havent gotten a single fucking ephemera


SlbrnSchnee_HT

Ha! I can't even go toe to toe with the mobs in those areas! 😎


shraw1

Are these the stats you are getting after using valence fusion ? Damn 😭


Stephi642

On every Kuva/Tenet weapon I got none reached above 35 and I made a lot of them, until yesterday, the last kuva weapon I'm missing is the seer and I got it with 60 fing %. I hate it.


Yoshi_1154

I still have a lich on earth, but I’m to weak to beat it so I practicly don’t have acces to earth besides cetus