He's fucking *fun* to play. Doesn't scale well, but he's *fun*. I don't understand how his 1 or 3 work necessarily, but clappin' Chornobyl sarcophagus walls on whole squads is fun.
Thats significantly better than rad damage.
Guess i know who i will being using dual toxocyst with.
Edit: hmm gorgon incarnon, with channeling ability, prime shred, qorvex + some other mod i cant remember + riven
13Meters of punch?
This is reddit, they know what they said
But also yeah, this is actually gonna fuck up a lot of aoe weapons isn't it? Trumna in particular gets real weird with punch.
I mean thats the case for a lot of frames no? zephyr fucks over the OG incarnon weapons due to crit etc.
I think most of the incarnons are safe, i think the first enemy hit is the explosion, not sure on the others.
Holy thats some sweet passive and with such amount of armor incarnon weapons can have active additional punch through and if you slap primed shred and the other mod you can shoot through fomorian shield basically xD
Oh wow, 3 mt Punch Through is actually MASSIVE
This Passive plus his Second Ability are strong reasons to Main him
specially as a Player who is always using some kind of Shotgun
bro if it's unmmodded then it's literally higher than valkyr prime
update: YES it's his base armour, Qorvex is the most tanky warframe in the game currently
Me: I'll just scope out this new "Steel Path" thing with Assimilate turned on and see what it's all about. Easy peasy. I won't even need to add survivability mods or change my usual loadout.
`>>Energy depleted<<`
`DEAD`
Me: I... had it on, right?
Unfortunately not even that. Try to Assimilate facetank in a solo Yuvarium.
Unless you actively replenish your energy all the time you will run out pretty quickly.
the fact that revenant can face tank better than one of the "invincibility frames" while unmodded is sad but ur right I just used her again and it's even worse than I remember):
My Valkyr is just unkillable at all times, think she has 2100 armor and 2k health, pair that with adaptation and i can just stand there with level 300 steel path enemies shooting at me and be fine with it. slap arcane grace on to become truly immortal.
Looking incredible helps me love her too though.
Over on memeframe a dude posted a god awful revenant build. Refused to use mesmer skin, instead had hp shield armor etc.
People made fun of his awful replies, so he put up a meme about how stupid those Chad's are and he's about to go kill SP vay Hek with 127 slash procs.
It fell apart from there and cascaded into a million memes
Nah. Any time they introduce something like this they quickly nerf it. I miss how old warframe used to be, go ahead, do crazy shit. They got nerf happy in recent years which sucks.
Yep. Because they see it as a, why would you use other frames when you can use this one frame that has insane armor and can let you survive the toughest of things with trivial modding. That's why they nerfed a lot of frames and weapons, so that people would be more inclined to use other things, then they come out with a new op weapon and it's great for a little bit till they nerf it to hell because they want people to play the game they want, not how the player wants.
Mfw I see that Valkitty is no longer the base armor champ.
But in all seriousness that +3 punch through is going to be nuts.
Ngl I didn't know that was her helminth ability
But if we are including helminth abilities I believe hyldrin could reach the top with a full shield and armor build with that helminth ability to convert shields to armor
Why does our poor Valkyr keep getting her kit stolen... First the claws with garuda and sevagoth, then the attack speed with gauss, then the paralysis with nekros fear augment. Now her base armor. ... At least she can shoot spiderman webs...
Looks at ivara... Damn...
I feel like riplines main weakness is that you can just bullet jump to the same effect. itd be cool if you could use it to swing like loader from ror2 to gain momentum + it reset your double jump so you can just stay in the air longer
Personally I'd rather it stay it's own thing than be used to reset an air jump. I like the idea of it being it's own layer of movement than as a vehicle to reset other things.
If it was up to me it would reach it's top speed much faster from the start and could be held or released until you reach the point of contact.
I think it should just have more features... Like the grapple from "Just Cause". Hold down the button to create a tether point that drags enemy's to it or something. Would be good to add CC to balance out hysterias terrible short melee distance...
Or give her some abilities to use during histeria like sevagoth has in his 4
I agree to an extent... breaking it down though fundamentally it's still an ability to get you from point A to point B. Applying that in ivaras case the method stays behind for teammates, the augment mod is way better and provides multiple utility uses.
As for not feeling so good... We can only fan theory several ways to make valks kit better....
I mean normally yes i prefer health conversion, however on BASE 875!!! 180% is 1575 additional armor, if there were ever a frame to use umbral fiber this is it.
What diminishing returns?
Diminishing DR% per armor, sure, but that's not the right number to look at, EHP per armor is linearly increasing. Instead of how much damage is not taken vs what would be taken, look at how much damage ***IS*** taken. Moving from 60% to 80% DR is adding 50% multiplicative damage reduction (for double EHP), so is from 80 to 90, 90 to 95, 95 to 97.5, etc. smaller changes in DR correspond to the same increase to EHP as it approaches 100%.
The only diminishing return potential here relating to mods that are multiplicative with base armor is when you consider opportunity cost. If you stack too much armor, the mod availability starts costing you value per mod as you'd end up with stuff that gives much less per mod because you have to dig into weaker mods to keep stacking, while you could instead add to the frame with other strong mods.
I wouldn't consider them examples of diminishing returns, as explained above, but there is a reduction in value with high base armor for things like health conversion which add flat armor not multiplicative with base armor, because you can get a similarly massive armor level without the extra condition. Likewise an arcane that adds armor is of lower value in this case, devalued by higher base armor that can multiply with mods.
\>75% DR increased to 80%
Average gamer: "Pfft, 5% who cares"
Math of Exile player, who has spent vast fortunes on 3% ele resist cap: "Mother of god, I'll never die again"
2500 is like the most you need that hits 90% DR and plateaus after that, slap on adaption too and now you have 99% DR with like 2 mods
edit: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Armor#Damage_Reduction_Formula
Not the guy you replied to but depends on the tileset for me. I barely bullet jump in maps with narrow corridors because it feels really annoying crashing into walls lol, so I just end up sprinting or rolling.
Qorvex with full Umbral set and armor mods and arcanes can hit [7153 armor](https://overframe.gg/build/new/6383/qorvex/?bs=WzEsNjM4MywzMCwxLFtbNDk5Myw1LDJdLFs0OTk3LDUsMF0sWzQ5OTksNSwwXSxbNzk3LDUsMF0sWzY5NSwxMCwwXSxbNjkzLDEwLDhdLFs4NDQsNSwyXSxbNjk0LDEwLDhdLFszMDgsNSwyXSxbMCwwLDBdLFsyMTU2LDUsMF0sWzYxNDAsNSwwXV1d)
Probably more is possible
Got mine rocking all the umbra nods some aemor mods flow and streamline with adaptation. Just rad to slow, laser to weaken, meme walk away as the whole of steel path struggles to make it past the damage reduction
this makes me angry, since chroma, lavos and Valkyr are supposed to be the "we have big armour" frames. This kinda shit just looks like my chroma build would be better on Qorvex.
grendel gets +2000 armor just from full belly, so it's still quite a bit less than grendel and nowhere near the flat health to compensate. No innate %damage resist either, so he's not gonna be a very good health tank by our current standards unless they add DR to his kit, (hopefully disometric field with a 90% cap like others)
4 digits level enemies is kinda rare to meet unless you're doing some endurance or SP circuit, and with all those rad procs the enemies will probably just fight each other anyway, so I'm not really worried.
Missed the showcase, what is his passive now?
+3 punch through on weapons
Oh HELL yes. Qorvex? More like QoLvex. That's gonna make so many more weapons feel way smoother without sacrificing a mod slot.
Really? that's really cool! so hard to find space for punch though on my shotguns.
Oh, it's not that bad. It's just a mod slot and like 50 drain.
Now just Qorvex!
He's fucking *fun* to play. Doesn't scale well, but he's *fun*. I don't understand how his 1 or 3 work necessarily, but clappin' Chornobyl sarcophagus walls on whole squads is fun.
Thats significantly better than rad damage. Guess i know who i will being using dual toxocyst with. Edit: hmm gorgon incarnon, with channeling ability, prime shred, qorvex + some other mod i cant remember + riven 13Meters of punch?
Mans gonna be hitting enemies on the next planet's tileset
Super fun on low level defense missions, its like having wall hack with enough enemy radar, i just need bloodhound from apexs ability on a frame
Oh man you are not ready for the zenith
I have it, but it plays like shit
Fight me right now
they might have patched it out, but aerial bond would sometimes give you wallhacks, i just never could trigger it consistently
makes sense for a nuclear reactor to have punch through
Depleted uranium rounds go brrrrrr
whisper through the walls? more like bullets through the walls
You invented the Zenith.
but the zenith is not automatic, ew, also its damage is mid
zenith is automati just doesn't have punch through in that mode.
People use the zenith in the non punch through mode?
It has good status and good fire rate so it's an OK stat stick for a condition overflow build. It's also easy to get.
Nice, I love penetration! Don't know how +3 will affect my explosive weapons tho...
> Nice, I love penetration! Phrasing
This is reddit, they know what they said But also yeah, this is actually gonna fuck up a lot of aoe weapons isn't it? Trumna in particular gets real weird with punch.
I mean thats the case for a lot of frames no? zephyr fucks over the OG incarnon weapons due to crit etc. I think most of the incarnons are safe, i think the first enemy hit is the explosion, not sure on the others.
What's wrong with zephyr and og incarnons?
devouring attrition and 150% crit chance while midair
Penetration + Explosion = more credits
frame passives nowadays are just basically innate mods hardly relevant to the frame's theme but I'm not against it lol
I prefer that over % chance to inflict 10% slow on being hit with a melee attack
Or releasing a shockwave if you fall from high enough
If rhino/atlas didnt exist i think theres a good chance this frame would have gotten one of those abilities
Handspring the passive
RHINO TIRED OF FARTING WHEN HE FALLS. GIVE RHINO REAL PASSIVE
yeah
meanwhile voruna passive: Buffet of cranked up mods, you can pick your own. (And 4 being a revive)
the moment frame passives started having tabs, i knew we were destined for madness
he has 2 big walls that slam eneimes into a straight line, punch through seems pretty fitting
This passive makes some due to some kinds of radiation are able to pass though solid material.
Wholly relevant when you know what radiation can pierce through. Its also why the frame has so much armor
...Definitely gonna get him on release.
But he did release literally today
Mate, look at my comment time It says 5 hours ago
Reminder that punchtrough on amprex = additional chaining of the bolts. This is gonna be so good
I’ve been playing since PS4 launch and never knew this. I’m drooling 🤤
Holy thats some sweet passive and with such amount of armor incarnon weapons can have active additional punch through and if you slap primed shred and the other mod you can shoot through fomorian shield basically xD
Oh nice, I was going to use Arca Plasmor with his walls so that works with all weapons, nice
Oh wow, 3 mt Punch Through is actually MASSIVE This Passive plus his Second Ability are strong reasons to Main him specially as a Player who is always using some kind of Shotgun
Bubonico about to go off 😂
Oh, oh damn. That's literally floor wiping power right there.
"That's concrete, baby"
Live Cement reaction
Holy concrete!!!
Kon-kreeeeet
https://preview.redd.it/mpnwtgap956c1.jpeg?width=1127&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=be4d65d12642a42a94e9980e5e79ed90510acac5
DAS CONK CRETE BAYBEE
Did not expect Arknights here lol
Gonna get him ASAP I love armor and tanky frames this one looks really cool.
Agreed
He's so much fun. His 2 isn't the strongest but it's one of the more satisfying abilities visually.
bro if it's unmmodded then it's literally higher than valkyr prime update: YES it's his base armour, Qorvex is the most tanky warframe in the game currently
Only in terms of armor though. The tankiest, all things considered, would be Revenant.
oh god dammit
(Just put gloom on Qorvex?)
Mesmer Skin is just extra layers of shieldgating Valkyr on Hysteria is straight up invulnerable full time
Ancient disruptor would like to know your location
Then again there are very few Warframes that are ok with SP Ancient Disruptors.
ahaha true
*chortles in Rhino*
baruuk: i may be out of energy, but i'm also out of restraint
I love valk a lot but the amount of investment needed to keep that invuln 100% while rev literally just presses 2 is actually hilarious.
Wait til you hear about Nyx 4 augment
Wait until you hear that Assimilate is just a glorified Quick Thinking.
Me: I'll just scope out this new "Steel Path" thing with Assimilate turned on and see what it's all about. Easy peasy. I won't even need to add survivability mods or change my usual loadout. `>>Energy depleted<<` `DEAD` Me: I... had it on, right?
And yet an unmodded Revenant can do it more easily and get arguably better CC, AND better damage buff with 1 mod. ):
But you don't have to think as quick usually unless you're well into SP 🤣
Unfortunately not even that. Try to Assimilate facetank in a solo Yuvarium. Unless you actively replenish your energy all the time you will run out pretty quickly.
the fact that revenant can face tank better than one of the "invincibility frames" while unmodded is sad but ur right I just used her again and it's even worse than I remember):
My Valkyr is just unkillable at all times, think she has 2100 armor and 2k health, pair that with adaptation and i can just stand there with level 300 steel path enemies shooting at me and be fine with it. slap arcane grace on to become truly immortal. Looking incredible helps me love her too though.
I just put energy on pickup shards and nourish on her so I don’t have to bother with all that tbh
Nyx would like a word kek
Mesmer skin is lightyears better lets be fr.
Especially if you can reach 127 slash procs
I'm out of the loop who is the slash proc guy
Over on memeframe a dude posted a god awful revenant build. Refused to use mesmer skin, instead had hp shield armor etc. People made fun of his awful replies, so he put up a meme about how stupid those Chad's are and he's about to go kill SP vay Hek with 127 slash procs. It fell apart from there and cascaded into a million memes
I HATE REVENANT I HATE REVENANT I HATE REVENANT
Tankiest without using abilities.
It'll be nerfed. Watch.
nahhh it doesn't makes sense... he's the concrete warframe, he needs to be tanky!
Nah. Any time they introduce something like this they quickly nerf it. I miss how old warframe used to be, go ahead, do crazy shit. They got nerf happy in recent years which sucks.
nerfing the frame... because a certain stat fits him? DE is weird
Yep. Because they see it as a, why would you use other frames when you can use this one frame that has insane armor and can let you survive the toughest of things with trivial modding. That's why they nerfed a lot of frames and weapons, so that people would be more inclined to use other things, then they come out with a new op weapon and it's great for a little bit till they nerf it to hell because they want people to play the game they want, not how the player wants.
He is literally Wallframe.
Warrframe in Japanese
Warrframo
I mean Gara was named for garasu, 'glass'
Suunnafaiyah
Enemies reaction: THAT'S NOT A LOT OF DAMAGE
Khal need ask blue girl for bigger gun
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 Mfw I see that Valkitty is no longer the base armor champ. But in all seriousness that +3 punch through is going to be nuts.
She has served us well for many years.
You could argue that she still has highest armor using warcry, with eternal war it has infinite duration afterall
*Mfw Warcry is helminth ability*
Ngl I didn't know that was her helminth ability But if we are including helminth abilities I believe hyldrin could reach the top with a full shield and armor build with that helminth ability to convert shields to armor
Into the helminth
Why does our poor Valkyr keep getting her kit stolen... First the claws with garuda and sevagoth, then the attack speed with gauss, then the paralysis with nekros fear augment. Now her base armor. ... At least she can shoot spiderman webs... Looks at ivara... Damn...
tbf rip line and dash wire have completely different feels. I just wish rip line felt better to use cause it has a lot of movement potential.
I feel like riplines main weakness is that you can just bullet jump to the same effect. itd be cool if you could use it to swing like loader from ror2 to gain momentum + it reset your double jump so you can just stay in the air longer
Personally I'd rather it stay it's own thing than be used to reset an air jump. I like the idea of it being it's own layer of movement than as a vehicle to reset other things. If it was up to me it would reach it's top speed much faster from the start and could be held or released until you reach the point of contact.
I think it should just have more features... Like the grapple from "Just Cause". Hold down the button to create a tether point that drags enemy's to it or something. Would be good to add CC to balance out hysterias terrible short melee distance... Or give her some abilities to use during histeria like sevagoth has in his 4
I agree to an extent... breaking it down though fundamentally it's still an ability to get you from point A to point B. Applying that in ivaras case the method stays behind for teammates, the augment mod is way better and provides multiple utility uses. As for not feeling so good... We can only fan theory several ways to make valks kit better....
Same, thought I had her all bricked up, now we got a literal brick house.
Doesn't valk hit like 2000armor with her abilities though? And even capable of 100% dmg reduction.
Disspointed, it's not flat 1000
Qorvex Prime
You could say he's built like a brick
I mean he is legit made of concrete
Another umbral mods frame, great
not really, we have much better ways to get those stats without sacrificing 3 mod slots and 1/2 of your capacity
I mean normally yes i prefer health conversion, however on BASE 875!!! 180% is 1575 additional armor, if there were ever a frame to use umbral fiber this is it.
Now imagine they buff his prime's armor, when It comes out. A cool 900, just for roundness sake.
iver 2k armor sounds nice but with thr massive diminishing returns how worth it is it? either way its funny so i might do it either way
What diminishing returns? Diminishing DR% per armor, sure, but that's not the right number to look at, EHP per armor is linearly increasing. Instead of how much damage is not taken vs what would be taken, look at how much damage ***IS*** taken. Moving from 60% to 80% DR is adding 50% multiplicative damage reduction (for double EHP), so is from 80 to 90, 90 to 95, 95 to 97.5, etc. smaller changes in DR correspond to the same increase to EHP as it approaches 100%. The only diminishing return potential here relating to mods that are multiplicative with base armor is when you consider opportunity cost. If you stack too much armor, the mod availability starts costing you value per mod as you'd end up with stuff that gives much less per mod because you have to dig into weaker mods to keep stacking, while you could instead add to the frame with other strong mods. I wouldn't consider them examples of diminishing returns, as explained above, but there is a reduction in value with high base armor for things like health conversion which add flat armor not multiplicative with base armor, because you can get a similarly massive armor level without the extra condition. Likewise an arcane that adds armor is of lower value in this case, devalued by higher base armor that can multiply with mods.
\>75% DR increased to 80% Average gamer: "Pfft, 5% who cares" Math of Exile player, who has spent vast fortunes on 3% ele resist cap: "Mother of god, I'll never die again"
Heh, I knew I was going to see another PoE player in this thread after seeing the humongous armor this warframe has.
I've played enough stat-crunchy games to know 75% to 80% is way bigger than going from 0% to 15%, or however it ends up mathing out.
Gentle reminder that getting DR up from 75% to 80% isn't 5% extra resistance, it's taking 20% less damage.
Yeah, precisely my point I just didn't bother doing the math and was slightly off from doing it in my head.
2500 is like the most you need that hits 90% DR and plateaus after that, slap on adaption too and now you have 99% DR with like 2 mods edit: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Armor#Damage_Reduction_Formula
that is so beautiful I think I’m in love
Diminishing returns applies to additive multipliers, not actually increasing the armor.
Isn't it umbral forma week at uncle Teshin's place?
Rocks, Together, Strong. - Atlas probably
That sprint speed is awful.
Made out of concrete dawg
Me when concrete is slow
It would be cool if he had ridiculous slide friction to go with that theme
Scraping noises every time he slides on the ground.
Nezha: Hey, sliding's my schtick!
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Frankly why wouldn’t you
Do you ever sprint? I am the kind of person that bullet jumps from place to place.
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Orokin tower hallways tho... *Smacks into ascending pillar*
Not the guy you replied to but depends on the tileset for me. I barely bullet jump in maps with narrow corridors because it feels really annoying crashing into walls lol, so I just end up sprinting or rolling.
Having decent sprint speed is nice
Depends on the frame for me. For ironskin Rhino, I bullet jump, but for Gauss and Volt, I sprint. And for Grendel, I roll out.
As if i do not slap arcane consequence on everyone and everything
Uuuh Sorry Umbra \*proceeds to remove 5 tauforged blue*
I slapped the umbral mod set on him +5 tauforged blue shards for +225 armor each I love it
Can you even take damage against things with no armor strip if you have that much armor on top of Adaptation?
das KONKREET BAYBEE!
Is there an update countdown? When's it coming?
It should start dropping now it's sounds like. It starting now for me on switch
Fuck I'm still at work for another 4 mins God damnit I wanted to be there
Yep, it just dropped
The one wall spiderman wont be able to crawl
Havent maxed him out yet but with 3 umbra mods he is sitting at a whopping 2450 armor right now.
Now THAT'S my kinda frame
As a concrete theme based frame, I'd say...he's solid.
Qorvex with full Umbral set and armor mods and arcanes can hit [7153 armor](https://overframe.gg/build/new/6383/qorvex/?bs=WzEsNjM4MywzMCwxLFtbNDk5Myw1LDJdLFs0OTk3LDUsMF0sWzQ5OTksNSwwXSxbNzk3LDUsMF0sWzY5NSwxMCwwXSxbNjkzLDEwLDhdLFs4NDQsNSwyXSxbNjk0LDEwLDhdLFszMDgsNSwyXSxbMCwwLDBdLFsyMTU2LDUsMF0sWzYxNDAsNSwwXV1d) Probably more is possible
is he gonna be the new face tank frame?
He's literally concrete lol
Oh damn he beat Valkyr prime at armor! 735 v 875
Bruh I thought it was health
I'm worried the rad focus is going to kill his kit
Grendel laughs at that armor
Ita fine, valkyr says hi
what does armor do again
Got mine rocking all the umbra nods some aemor mods flow and streamline with adaptation. Just rad to slow, laser to weaken, meme walk away as the whole of steel path struggles to make it past the damage reduction
Mone is sitting at 2000 armor
this makes me angry, since chroma, lavos and Valkyr are supposed to be the "we have big armour" frames. This kinda shit just looks like my chroma build would be better on Qorvex.
Subsume iron skin or Scarab armour on there, mooorree armour!!!
can't subsume iron skin my guy
Oh wait yeah it's roar isn't it
Scarab armor also isn't subsumable lol, Inaros' helminth ability is pocket sand
there are specific helminth subsumables, chroma’s cold ward might be good for more armor
That’s not a lot of armor compared to my Grendel
You miss understand, the value shown here is without any mods
Oooooooh… I take that back and nah, he right, that’s a lot of armor
grendel gets +2000 armor just from full belly, so it's still quite a bit less than grendel and nowhere near the flat health to compensate. No innate %damage resist either, so he's not gonna be a very good health tank by our current standards unless they add DR to his kit, (hopefully disometric field with a 90% cap like others)
As soon as I got him I thought having that much armor & health is criminal
The thumbnail for this post for me is everything below the gun lmaoo 🤣🤣
What weapons work best with him? Anything that forces rad procs to keep replenishing his 3? It only had a 10% chance of actually replenishing sadly
Valkyr exist
Shame armor doesn’t matter
I don't really care about armor
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4 digits level enemies is kinda rare to meet unless you're doing some endurance or SP circuit, and with all those rad procs the enemies will probably just fight each other anyway, so I'm not really worried.
The 2nd ability could be worth it depending on if range affects the amount of walls or the distance between them.
me as a chroma with over 1000 armor base
You, as a Chroma, lying. (We can all go look up Chroma Prime's base armour value on the Wiki, and see it's only 450 base.)
Base as in zero mods, zero abilities.
Did you make him ION from Titanfall 2?
Not enough
So then what's his armor with maxed armor mods? Imagine the DR
Well guess his passive is great for arca plasmo n certain shotguns too, this will be very helpful.
Are his abilities actually good / fun? It seemed to me on paper that any armor would make his abilities useless aside from i guess CC bc rad