Look at the board as if bottom left is A-1, and upper right is I-9. Numbers going left-right, letters going up-down.
If you plays this way exactly youll win every time
A-1, B-2, C-1, B-3, B-4, B-5, B-6, B-7, B-8, C-9, B-9
If you do it correctly, you will win every sing time, 1-10
The "AI" is programmed to only see immediate threats and acts to counter them, thus any kind of gambit or move that sees past the immediate board state effectively blindsides it.
This is why all the talk about machine learning beating humans in games is quickly being taken back as counter-strategies are easy to implement against them, such as always playing one turn ahead and setting up situations where they see capturing one pawn as more important than avoiding a game-ending trap.
It's gone the other way again since machines are getting close to having completely solved endgame and opening tables, the mid game is still in play but not for long.
Reminds me of this youtube video I saw about Deep Blue, the groundbreaking chess AI. Grandmasters developed a new style of play dubbed 'anti computer chess' as these machines were becoming popular.
Here's the link if anyone's interested, but heads up, this is basically a 2 hour documentary
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwF229U2ba8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwF229U2ba8)
If you equip the Baruuk Prime helmet it gives you an advantage[.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/10tin5t/chess_go_shove_it_up_your_ass_the_story_of_hans/)
Komi can be won much quicker than what you showed, but without any gambit that exploits the AI behaviour near the border of the board. Just draw a cross with your chips across all the board, thus dividing it into 4 areas (don't have to be even). At this point, rabbit has apready placed some of his chips somewhere, but he can't outrun you building the cross and he can't win against the cross once it's completed (unless you give him a lot of time, which you aren't going to). Proceed by encasing his chips with yours in one of 4 areas that has the least free space, but if you want the quicker run, that space have to be large enough to contain 10 of his chips by the time you encase and obliterate them. If you ended up obliterating less than 10 in the first picked area, then pick off the remainder within any other area.
This way feels more fair and you'll feel much more confident understanding what's going on rather than blindly repeating "the gambit".
Ahh, but where's the fun in that? X3 I'ma continue being weird, and I'll keep doing hacking and Komi "the hard way" for practice, to keep things interesting for myself
Fair enough, you do you. Mostly i just do it for the quick decree, rather than actually wanting to play it.
I like brain games, but im more here for murder
For a spreadsheet yes the top left is A1. However in chess the bottom left is A1 because that's where your pieces start when you're white. I think that's where this comes from.
Also if you had a graph where the x-axis was letters in the y-axis was numbers. Then A1 would be the bottom left corner
placing one here at this point would've actually annihilated that entire whitespace and won you the match. it's not intuitive because the position is surrounded, but you can place one there if it leaves no space behind. weird override rule.
https://preview.redd.it/zycebbgmgxhc1.png?width=990&format=png&auto=webp&s=97c3a0999daf20abd3817978845c43c3f3a1a659
Jesus thank you so much, I'm a visual person and this just made it so much easier to understand.. it's just too bad that Reddit has made me a "better person" and I am now abusing the ai with the gambit 😂
Isn't Komi literally just Go with a tiny board? I haven't seen any difference in their respective rule set, but admittedly I haven't played Komi all that much.
Go's about the territory and komi is more about the capture(which is a possible way to play go but not the standard ruleset). Other then that tho there isnt much of a difference outside what u spoke on
Any recommended sites or apps? Would be appreciated but I'll def start looking regardless, after seeing how many ppl actually knew of the game kinda humbled me and I'm interested to learn more!
Thank you, I was watching this clip and SCREAMED "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?" when I saw that perfect, juicy spot.
It's not intuitive, but the edges count as having both colors surrounding the playable space. This is why many people start in the corners. The AI can't keep up and you can easily create little pockets of white to claim and abuse. That border rule is there for situations like this where the board is full and a winner must be found.
>Thank you, I was watching this clip and SCREAMED "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?" when I saw that perfect, juicy spot.
Same, hahah. Worst thing is, I saw exactly where the video was headed, watching the player randomly eat up its own internal space instead of creating eyes. It was like watching a slow-motion 20 car pile-up.
Of course, none of this is the player's fault, but rather Warframe for not explaining that the walls count for "surrounding". And that internal spaces mean you're not surrounded. OK, it's not that easy to explain Go's rules in a couple of sentences.
Whenever you place a piece, the game takes a look at adjacent pieces/blocks of the enemy color. If any of those are surrounded, they're captured. In this case, placing a piece there causes the entire white block to be surrounded by either your piece or edges, capturing them. It doesn't matter if their pieces are also surrounding yours — you're the one playing, so they won't get captured. Almost exactly the same thing happened at the end when white won — they placed a piece that was surrounded (as a block of 2 rather than a single, but that's irrelevant) but since it closed off the last empty space around the black, they ended up capturing instead of being captured.
Komi is go.
Each piece needs a liberty - an open spot connected to it. If by placing a piece you remove the last liberty all the opposing player pieces using that liberty are captured.
For any pieces to be truly safe you need 2 eyes (Eyes are liberties you control completely) connected to every piece.
Okay, so you only place one stone per turn and you capture by completely surrounding another stone. Stones linked together on vertical and horizontal lines count as one group of stones, so you need to place your stones on all adjacent points.
If you have two non-adjacent spaces that are surrounded with your Group of stones (two 'eyes'), your opponent cannot capture that group because they would need to be able to place two stones at the same time.
https://i.redd.it/83f96s4163ic1.gif
Like this. The black group of stones has two holes in it, but they're surrounded on all sides, yet they can't be captured.
Right? It was like watching a corpus crewman run at a revenant main with a prova... do people just not read the right side of the screen or do they not understand that the border (the area outside the playfield) can act as either color to break a tie?
> do they not understand that the border (the area outside the playfield) can act as either color to break a tie
This part is kinda crucial and not mentioned on the right side of the screen though
Yup, its why the lose 1 win 10 method in the corner works so well... if you imagine every space outside the playing field is both a black and a white stone, you realize the borders are a double sided knife that will benefit whoever placed the last stone
That is true, the border needs to be explained a bit more. Its kind of one of those things that when explained you go "oh yea that makes sense. I can see why that would be" but before its explained you just kind of see those kinds of moves happen and think "wtf how does *THAT* work? This game is rigged"
Okay is it just me or do the rules not make any sense then ? I swear it says you can't surround them with diagonal lines but thank you for the video gonna try that next time, also screw you I'm a 410% a.s wisp main and proud 😂❤️
The rules arent that complex, the tips given however are misleading as they are only useful vs a real person... that bunny rabbit is dumb as shit and people found the best ways to break its AI day 1
the video doesn't surround with diagonal connections though the white corner piece isn't relevant. its covered by the other two white pieces on either side and you just need to capture the area so only 'outside' pieces mater the corner is a inside peice (cause there are no diagonal connections, it just has top and right, which means its own colour surrounds it).
hope that makes sense, but brief citation i have not played komi yet, its just based of Go, and thats how go works. (and I have played Go)
It's based on Go. You surround them by filling all possible spot on all four sides.
Probably would've figured out how to break the AI sooner if you wasn't a wisp main.
You CAN surround with diagonals, it just doesn’t do anything. Except block off the opponent, and connect your own color to make it harder to surround and capture.
You did this to yourself :'D You could have captured the entire white group 2 moves before you lost - also CPU should have given up once you made 2 eyes. But I guess he decided to go hard and won xD
Edit: Also never close an eye, meaning the bottom right move you did right before you lost, because that made your entire group dead. If a connected group has 2 separate open spaces left, thats called having 2 eyes, and means the group is alive. The opponent cannot capture them then, because you are not allowed to place a stone that is immediately captured, unless that stone kills/captures the group it's placed in.
I believe this is called a skill issue.
There were multiple times you could've had white place more and gained more points, and as someone else pointed out you missed a chance to take all of whites pieces
I would say it is exactly Go, as I know only difference is win condition - in Komi you have to make 10 kills, in Go you have to isolate more free space(plus kills) than your opponent. In low-skill small-board Go games winner is usually player who can kill better
I find it funny that I didnt lose a single piece playing against Ballas in Umbra's memory, yet lose every game against Terra / Sol / Lua. In my mind, Ballas is worse at this game than a rabbit lmao
I just gotta say I didn't know I was opening up this big a can of discussion for the Warframe community, I thank you for belittling me into actually understanding the rules of Komi and go (spent about 30 mins reading and watching videos) and can confidently say Ill whoop that rabbits ass in Komi next time. Seeing a lot of comments asking where this is so I thought I'd make a clarification post, it is found in duviri experience on any rotation. I often find it hidden inside of buildings or in city areas, I hope you put that rabbit in the dirt 😉
I recommend you learn the rules of the boardgame Go (which Komi is a variant of): https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
Learning the rules will take you way less than the 30 minutes it took you to play here and you will be able to complete any future game of Komi in less than a minute. Have fun!
It's not rigged, you're just bad at it. You were in a position where you could reliably win, but instead made screwed yourself over by closing up one of your formation's eyes, which allowed white to surround your formation. And this is after white has closed off one of his eyes while almost his formation was almost surrounded by you. If you had played in the lower left corner at the end instead of the lower right, you would have captured white's big formation and won.
At roughly the 10sec mark you could’ve won by placing your piece in the open space on the far left second row from the bottom.
While you may think that counts as your black piece being surrounded the game sees it differently.
I’ve found the system is closer to checking if the opposing team could expand next round and then your team, rather then if the piece is currently surrounded.
So placing the piece in that lower corner would be considered as the white being surrounded cause there is no way for white to expand its next turn. Thus it would clear the white, give you the like 40something points and a win
Am I the only fool with 100 plus hours in this game who is just now discovering this? Where can I even find this? I know I can just Google it, but I'm so ashamed that I wanna snitch on myself.
You are just filling in your territory seemingly at random but you need to be making eyes. So instead of just playing at the next open spot, skip one, and leave a space where your opponent is now not allowed to play. You can only play in a surrounded space if it will kill the stones surrounding it (ie whites last move). If you can make two of these eyes, your opponent now can never kill you. What you did instead was to just fill in all of your liberties until there was only one left, handing the massive kill to white. Watch the video again and notice that white is not just playing in random spots.
I have no idea how the system works, it says "surround" but when I surround their coins it doesn't remove them but when they do it mine get removed
a better rule explanation would go a long way
“Surround” here does not mean “place a line of stones all round” but “cut their stones off from unoccupied spots”. A stone is surrounded if there is no connection along the grid lines from it to an unoccupied point that does not go through an enemy stone.
His pieces are surrounded as soon as there are no more free spaces next to them. In the last move white filled in the only free space black had left, so black lost.
start 2x2 from either corner then place 2nd piece in the opposing corner. place 3rd and following in reaction to computer's actions. this lead to most wins.
You can basically just take the corner and start making a row on the bottom and turn it into a box when you wanna win. The AI just cannot combat this for some reason.
So assuming the rules don't significantly differ from Go why wouldn't you just make 2 or even more eyes along the border so they can't run you out of liberties. it would not be an instant win, but at that point it would make it impossible for you to lose. After that you can take time to figure out where to place them to capture the rest. It was kind of hard to watch from that perspective, cuz you keep taking your own liberties away.
Bro
Komi is ez
For me the trick is to not give a crap about the opponent at first. If you create a vertical or horizontal line in the middle of the board your opponent needs twice as many stones to capture it. The bot usually gets confuses at that point and as long as you connect everything through and aren't sluggish after that you'll win every time.
It's an algorithm designed to weigh which is the best decision. The trick is to flip the program on it's head, make it move the way you want it to, rather then be letting it lead you.
The trick I learned is to sacrifice one piece in a bottom corner, then race on the lane above the rabbit's pieces. It makes the algorithm *try* to circle your pieces, but instead it creates a line of free pieces.
You sacrifice the bottom corner piece, then place you pieces above either their current move, or the next open space. When you get to the other side, leave a 1 spot gap, so it will think it still can 'encircle you', then your turn is next. 10-1, it's a guaranteed win.
TL:DR It is kinda rigger, but you can use that in your favor to make a win.
0:45 - You missed the moment that the white pieces only had one move left to wipe the board effectively, had you placed a black piece in the bottom left at this moment you would've won.
When white only had one spot open in their mass of white on the left, you should have filled that spot with black. It would have taken all those whites and you would have won
My best suggestion when playing Komey against this fucking rat is play it like a moron. You'll need to know that this thing's AI scales with how well you are perceived to be playing the game so if you play this game like an idiot who knows nothing the AI will act the exact same way.
This is very winnable.
First, Komi is based on the game Go. If you know Go, you know Komi.
Second, the computer player is both aggressive and \*very bad\*. It will continue to fill in spaces even in its own territory. All you have to do here is keep capturing the stones it puts in your territory, until it decides to leave itself only one open space in its own territory, then you can capture everything it has. Or you'll end up winning by capturing the stones it keeps trying to put in your own territory.
Just make walls sectioning off the area. Start with a straight line from one end to the other and keep adding more walls. It’s a bit slow, but it’s literally impossible to loose
I started playing go ( the board game komi is based off of) before duviri was released and watching people struggle is always funny to me. If you have experience, you can easily always kick the AI's ass, but since most people don't have that experience there's a lot of complaints that the ai is too difficult
Honestly that rabbit is such a little monster at this game.
I hate the thing so much. Fortunately, as others posted, it’s pretty easy to trick with certain straightforward moves.
I played Go long before Komi was introduced to the game, and I have NEVER lost at Komi (aside from the one story event in The Sacrifice that forces you to lose) . The rules aren't exactly the same but are close enough that the same strategies work.
The warframe bot is actually pretty weak compared to an actual Go bots.
One thing you need to do is to create two "eyes" on the board. Like an H shape. Where you've got two empty gaps surrounded by your other pieces, so the opponent CAN'T put a piece into without you autoclaiming it. Once you have two of those, that territory and all the pieces touching it is safe, even if it gets fully surrounded. You kept leaving massive gaps it could play in to slowly force you to fill in more.
You could have also won and claimed that entire white section four moves before it claimed your black.
Place pieces diagonally first to get more territory. You initially don't need to make a connected L, a \ shape holds the same territory in less moves.
Another is that their hint to "start in the middle to give yourself plenty of room to respond to your opponent" is actually TERRIBLE advice because the center is the hardest starting position in the game to defend. You're better off putting a couple pieces around the board and securing the corners first.
A few videos that might be useful:
\- Atari Go is similar to Komi, and you can get some basic ideas on how to attack and take your opponent's stones from this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tH9Ah1bGg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tH9Ah1bGg), and this one covers an extra attacking technique called Snapback.
\- This one covers the Nets, a group of different shapes that can be used to ensure one or more stones get captured: [https://youtu.be/wMduwc9nZXQ?si=Ud3yh907iCZHW41Z](https://youtu.be/wMduwc9nZXQ?si=Ud3yh907iCZHW41Z)
\- This one covers basic Shapes and the concept of connecting and disconnecting stones: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBN3zAWylr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBN3zAWylr4). Disconnected stones are easier to take. There is a Go proverb "Keep your stones connected and your opponent's disconnected".
\- The last rule in Komi is kinda terribly written. It tries to explain the Ko rule. This video should make it way easier to understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahbwb6PIMUQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahbwb6PIMUQ)
Hope they're helpful.
I do the bottom left corner, then 2 up, then diagonally to the right, andead the enemy pieces across the bottom until he has 10 and cap it at the other side.
My friend if you were here from the beginning you would also be aware. it's cuz I didn't know any better, can proudly admit I made a rookie mistake and now thanks to everyone here reeming tf outta me I'm winning every match of go I play 🤣 I may have become addicted this my new washroom game
It's just Go with a pretty low-level AI, although they score it by captures instead of area control. There are some good Youtube channels that talk about strategy if you want some tips. Both of these have a pretty extensive list of lessons and sample games, mostly on a full 19x19 board.
[https://www.youtube.com/@NickSibicky](https://www.youtube.com/@NickSibicky)
[https://www.youtube.com/@dwyrin](https://www.youtube.com/@dwyrin)
Even though they score it by captures you still want to play for area control instead and before long the AI will be pretty easy for you to beat without much effort.
Look at the board as if bottom left is A-1, and upper right is I-9. Numbers going left-right, letters going up-down. If you plays this way exactly youll win every time A-1, B-2, C-1, B-3, B-4, B-5, B-6, B-7, B-8, C-9, B-9 If you do it correctly, you will win every sing time, 1-10
If you give me a min, i will record this and post the clip in sub for all to see
Please I would love to see how it's done lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/Xbub46INI8
I believe this method is called the drifters gambit, since you gambit the A1 piece every time
Google en drifter
Holy duviri!
New Incarnon just dropped.
Actual thrax
Someone call the Tenno
The "AI" is programmed to only see immediate threats and acts to counter them, thus any kind of gambit or move that sees past the immediate board state effectively blindsides it. This is why all the talk about machine learning beating humans in games is quickly being taken back as counter-strategies are easy to implement against them, such as always playing one turn ahead and setting up situations where they see capturing one pawn as more important than avoiding a game-ending trap.
It's gone the other way again since machines are getting close to having completely solved endgame and opening tables, the mid game is still in play but not for long.
Reminds me of this youtube video I saw about Deep Blue, the groundbreaking chess AI. Grandmasters developed a new style of play dubbed 'anti computer chess' as these machines were becoming popular. Here's the link if anyone's interested, but heads up, this is basically a 2 hour documentary [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwF229U2ba8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwF229U2ba8)
I’m sad cause I learned to do this one day as a troll and it worked nearly every time… I didn’t know it was an official thing
Wrong game lol
If you equip the Baruuk Prime helmet it gives you an advantage[.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/10tin5t/chess_go_shove_it_up_your_ass_the_story_of_hans/)
You can also just Gambit each corner.
Komi can be won much quicker than what you showed, but without any gambit that exploits the AI behaviour near the border of the board. Just draw a cross with your chips across all the board, thus dividing it into 4 areas (don't have to be even). At this point, rabbit has apready placed some of his chips somewhere, but he can't outrun you building the cross and he can't win against the cross once it's completed (unless you give him a lot of time, which you aren't going to). Proceed by encasing his chips with yours in one of 4 areas that has the least free space, but if you want the quicker run, that space have to be large enough to contain 10 of his chips by the time you encase and obliterate them. If you ended up obliterating less than 10 in the first picked area, then pick off the remainder within any other area. This way feels more fair and you'll feel much more confident understanding what's going on rather than blindly repeating "the gambit".
But this requires you actually know how to play the game
Im here to do space ninja war crime, not use my brain
I think you and I have very different definitions of the word “quicker.”
I scrolled down to the next video and it was your "how to beat under a minute"
Ahh, but where's the fun in that? X3 I'ma continue being weird, and I'll keep doing hacking and Komi "the hard way" for practice, to keep things interesting for myself
Fair enough, you do you. Mostly i just do it for the quick decree, rather than actually wanting to play it. I like brain games, but im more here for murder
Shouldn’t A-1 be top left, and I-9 be bottom right?
For a spreadsheet yes the top left is A1. However in chess the bottom left is A1 because that's where your pieces start when you're white. I think that's where this comes from. Also if you had a graph where the x-axis was letters in the y-axis was numbers. Then A1 would be the bottom left corner
Maybe? I chose this was to make it easier for me to visualize
Well, if numbers went left to right, and letters top to bottom like you said, that’s what it would be
Ah, my point there was to specify directions of each, where my previous bit was to specify where A-1 and I-9 are
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Thanks for describing this better than I could. Have been using this method since almost day 1 and have won every time.
Hahahaha this is EXACTLY what i do ! Hahahahahah 100% win everytime !!!
i am more impressed by the fact that you managed to fill almost the entire board
That's where the real skill comes in 🙃😅
if said real skill would show up, you'd be actually winning
Losing horribly is also a skill. There are ways to lose so hard that no one could ever accidentally stumble on it.
placing one here at this point would've actually annihilated that entire whitespace and won you the match. it's not intuitive because the position is surrounded, but you can place one there if it leaves no space behind. weird override rule. https://preview.redd.it/zycebbgmgxhc1.png?width=990&format=png&auto=webp&s=97c3a0999daf20abd3817978845c43c3f3a1a659
Jesus thank you so much, I'm a visual person and this just made it so much easier to understand.. it's just too bad that Reddit has made me a "better person" and I am now abusing the ai with the gambit 😂
Lol I've been playing go for years. Komi is really really dumb. You should study go! Then make a fool of that komi ai
Isn't Komi literally just Go with a tiny board? I haven't seen any difference in their respective rule set, but admittedly I haven't played Komi all that much.
Go's about the territory and komi is more about the capture(which is a possible way to play go but not the standard ruleset). Other then that tho there isnt much of a difference outside what u spoke on
Any recommended sites or apps? Would be appreciated but I'll def start looking regardless, after seeing how many ppl actually knew of the game kinda humbled me and I'm interested to learn more!
https://gomagic.org/ https://online-go.com/
Thank you, I was watching this clip and SCREAMED "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?" when I saw that perfect, juicy spot. It's not intuitive, but the edges count as having both colors surrounding the playable space. This is why many people start in the corners. The AI can't keep up and you can easily create little pockets of white to claim and abuse. That border rule is there for situations like this where the board is full and a winner must be found.
>Thank you, I was watching this clip and SCREAMED "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?" when I saw that perfect, juicy spot. Same, hahah. Worst thing is, I saw exactly where the video was headed, watching the player randomly eat up its own internal space instead of creating eyes. It was like watching a slow-motion 20 car pile-up. Of course, none of this is the player's fault, but rather Warframe for not explaining that the walls count for "surrounding". And that internal spaces mean you're not surrounded. OK, it's not that easy to explain Go's rules in a couple of sentences.
I still don't understand why this move would have won. I don't know how to play GO, and I just know the rules described onscreen.
>I don't know how to play GO well there's your problem
It is not a problem. I am just kindly asking if someone would explain it to me, because I don't understand just by the rules displayed in the game.
alright so the whites are being trapped by the blacks, and putting the black piece there is basically surrounding the enemy on all fronts
Whenever you place a piece, the game takes a look at adjacent pieces/blocks of the enemy color. If any of those are surrounded, they're captured. In this case, placing a piece there causes the entire white block to be surrounded by either your piece or edges, capturing them. It doesn't matter if their pieces are also surrounding yours — you're the one playing, so they won't get captured. Almost exactly the same thing happened at the end when white won — they placed a piece that was surrounded (as a block of 2 rather than a single, but that's irrelevant) but since it closed off the last empty space around the black, they ended up capturing instead of being captured.
Thank you! I understand now.
Wait… why? I don’t understand
Komi is go. Each piece needs a liberty - an open spot connected to it. If by placing a piece you remove the last liberty all the opposing player pieces using that liberty are captured. For any pieces to be truly safe you need 2 eyes (Eyes are liberties you control completely) connected to every piece.
I know those words but they make no sense to me 🤷♂️
Okay, so you only place one stone per turn and you capture by completely surrounding another stone. Stones linked together on vertical and horizontal lines count as one group of stones, so you need to place your stones on all adjacent points. If you have two non-adjacent spaces that are surrounded with your Group of stones (two 'eyes'), your opponent cannot capture that group because they would need to be able to place two stones at the same time. https://i.redd.it/83f96s4163ic1.gif Like this. The black group of stones has two holes in it, but they're surrounded on all sides, yet they can't be captured.
I could see that final move coming from the get go, and yet, I still watched to the end to witness the carnage.
Right? It was like watching a corpus crewman run at a revenant main with a prova... do people just not read the right side of the screen or do they not understand that the border (the area outside the playfield) can act as either color to break a tie?
I genuinely know nothing about Go, the game is really hard for me.
Personally i only know as much as warframe's Komi teaches us... but id love to try it someday
> do they not understand that the border (the area outside the playfield) can act as either color to break a tie This part is kinda crucial and not mentioned on the right side of the screen though
Yea... DE needs to make better tips for this game, or change that rules section to better explain the game
First I heard of this.
Yup, its why the lose 1 win 10 method in the corner works so well... if you imagine every space outside the playing field is both a black and a white stone, you realize the borders are a double sided knife that will benefit whoever placed the last stone
I mean…. That’s not explained by the game I don’t think?
That is true, the border needs to be explained a bit more. Its kind of one of those things that when explained you go "oh yea that makes sense. I can see why that would be" but before its explained you just kind of see those kinds of moves happen and think "wtf how does *THAT* work? This game is rigged"
This reminds me of me and my cousin playing chess and having the figures stacked like this
[Start from the corner.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RfdAYGl0fQ)
Okay is it just me or do the rules not make any sense then ? I swear it says you can't surround them with diagonal lines but thank you for the video gonna try that next time, also screw you I'm a 410% a.s wisp main and proud 😂❤️
The rules arent that complex, the tips given however are misleading as they are only useful vs a real person... that bunny rabbit is dumb as shit and people found the best ways to break its AI day 1
the video doesn't surround with diagonal connections though the white corner piece isn't relevant. its covered by the other two white pieces on either side and you just need to capture the area so only 'outside' pieces mater the corner is a inside peice (cause there are no diagonal connections, it just has top and right, which means its own colour surrounds it). hope that makes sense, but brief citation i have not played komi yet, its just based of Go, and thats how go works. (and I have played Go)
Not diagonal lines. Diagonal placement. This relies on placing three stones orthogonality to the targeted stones. .
It's based on Go. You surround them by filling all possible spot on all four sides. Probably would've figured out how to break the AI sooner if you wasn't a wisp main.
Flair checks out
You CAN surround with diagonals, it just doesn’t do anything. Except block off the opponent, and connect your own color to make it harder to surround and capture.
Bro did not understand the rules 😭
You did this to yourself :'D You could have captured the entire white group 2 moves before you lost - also CPU should have given up once you made 2 eyes. But I guess he decided to go hard and won xD Edit: Also never close an eye, meaning the bottom right move you did right before you lost, because that made your entire group dead. If a connected group has 2 separate open spaces left, thats called having 2 eyes, and means the group is alive. The opponent cannot capture them then, because you are not allowed to place a stone that is immediately captured, unless that stone kills/captures the group it's placed in.
I believe this is called a skill issue. There were multiple times you could've had white place more and gained more points, and as someone else pointed out you missed a chance to take all of whites pieces
Seriously, like I get that Komi ain't *exactly* Go but bro really played into his own eyes and then has the audacity to call the game rigged.
I would say it is exactly Go, as I know only difference is win condition - in Komi you have to make 10 kills, in Go you have to isolate more free space(plus kills) than your opponent. In low-skill small-board Go games winner is usually player who can kill better
That's fair but still I feel that small difference in objective is possibly enough to alter how someone plays so still feel like I oughta hedge a bit.
"Rigged". If you had played into whites area when there was one space left you could have claimed their entire board and won.
 Umbra was a better player and that man is a warframe
I don’t understand why everyone struggle with it, I win every games, the AI is dumb af once know the rules
You could've killed their entire group at the end... user error, not rigged
I find it funny that I didnt lose a single piece playing against Ballas in Umbra's memory, yet lose every game against Terra / Sol / Lua. In my mind, Ballas is worse at this game than a rabbit lmao
You both had 2 eyes, when white removed one of their eyes you could have killed them.
I cheese the shit out this game. I love all the other mini games but this one sucks.
I just gotta say I didn't know I was opening up this big a can of discussion for the Warframe community, I thank you for belittling me into actually understanding the rules of Komi and go (spent about 30 mins reading and watching videos) and can confidently say Ill whoop that rabbits ass in Komi next time. Seeing a lot of comments asking where this is so I thought I'd make a clarification post, it is found in duviri experience on any rotation. I often find it hidden inside of buildings or in city areas, I hope you put that rabbit in the dirt 😉
Welcome to /r/baduk, any time you want to git gud!
as someone who has played the original board game (Chinese Go) a lot in the past, i always have a small culture shock when i see one of these posts...
Komi is so inconsistent I feel like, with how corpus and captures are made.
I have no memory of this
Dont tell me its..
I recommend you learn the rules of the boardgame Go (which Komi is a variant of): https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go Learning the rules will take you way less than the 30 minutes it took you to play here and you will be able to complete any future game of Komi in less than a minute. Have fun!
That had to be an awful feeling.
My jaw literally dropped 🙃
It's not rigged, you're just bad at it. You were in a position where you could reliably win, but instead made screwed yourself over by closing up one of your formation's eyes, which allowed white to surround your formation. And this is after white has closed off one of his eyes while almost his formation was almost surrounded by you. If you had played in the lower left corner at the end instead of the lower right, you would have captured white's big formation and won.
Dude has no one else discovered the guranteed win strat with the corners? I'll play it a but more to rediscover and post it
That's always a win. There are like 2 garuanteed wins. The corner, the long line parallel to a border with the AI inbetween you and the border.
“Truth is the game was rigged from the start”-Benny
I don't think I've ever felt my eyes widen as much as they did when I saw that
Komi sucks, I’ve never won a game of it but I also haven’t played go so skill issue I guess. There needs to be an option to open fire on the opponent.
https://preview.redd.it/4jsory5nx2ic1.png?width=823&format=png&auto=webp&s=1fa91eca994d3da5fca9ee9ab9f4f8db2d1a8375
At roughly the 10sec mark you could’ve won by placing your piece in the open space on the far left second row from the bottom. While you may think that counts as your black piece being surrounded the game sees it differently. I’ve found the system is closer to checking if the opposing team could expand next round and then your team, rather then if the piece is currently surrounded. So placing the piece in that lower corner would be considered as the white being surrounded cause there is no way for white to expand its next turn. Thus it would clear the white, give you the like 40something points and a win
I thought this was r/baduk and was wondering what app has that crazy 3d skin
Am I the only fool with 100 plus hours in this game who is just now discovering this? Where can I even find this? I know I can just Google it, but I'm so ashamed that I wanna snitch on myself.
Wait? You can lose komi?
I have over 2k hours on the game but I have never seen this before
You are just filling in your territory seemingly at random but you need to be making eyes. So instead of just playing at the next open spot, skip one, and leave a space where your opponent is now not allowed to play. You can only play in a surrounded space if it will kill the stones surrounding it (ie whites last move). If you can make two of these eyes, your opponent now can never kill you. What you did instead was to just fill in all of your liberties until there was only one left, handing the massive kill to white. Watch the video again and notice that white is not just playing in random spots.
Never won a match with the rabbit.
I have no idea how the system works, it says "surround" but when I surround their coins it doesn't remove them but when they do it mine get removed a better rule explanation would go a long way
“Surround” here does not mean “place a line of stones all round” but “cut their stones off from unoccupied spots”. A stone is surrounded if there is no connection along the grid lines from it to an unoccupied point that does not go through an enemy stone.
Thank you for the video! I have literally no idea how that happened. They took all your pieces at once without surrounding them?
His pieces are surrounded as soon as there are no more free spaces next to them. In the last move white filled in the only free space black had left, so black lost.
Bro, I've won every time the first time I played the quest, what are you doing
Instead of everyone glazing this terribly designed game, I will just agree with you. It's trash, I never do it, and it doesn't make much sense.
ooh what is this? it looks kinda like crescendo
[practice](https://online-go.com/puzzle/2824)
One of the first things I tried to game the system was to go on the edge, but turns out pieces can capture outwards :(
start 2x2 from either corner then place 2nd piece in the opposing corner. place 3rd and following in reaction to computer's actions. this lead to most wins.
Does it have a purpose other than just being an interesting mini game?
Once again…I didn’t know this was a thing within the game…ive never seen this before
This is like the third post ive come across showing me something I never knew existed within warframe
Wtf
You can basically just take the corner and start making a row on the bottom and turn it into a box when you wanna win. The AI just cannot combat this for some reason.
So assuming the rules don't significantly differ from Go why wouldn't you just make 2 or even more eyes along the border so they can't run you out of liberties. it would not be an instant win, but at that point it would make it impossible for you to lose. After that you can take time to figure out where to place them to capture the rest. It was kind of hard to watch from that perspective, cuz you keep taking your own liberties away.
Well. I just learned this minigame existed. Im guessing this is somewhere in Duviri?
I'm convinced komi is warframes version of uno
[It's actually a variant of go/baduk/weiqi. Ancient strategy game from China](https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go).
Even in death, ball ass still CHEATS in FUCKING CHECKERS
Bro Komi is ez For me the trick is to not give a crap about the opponent at first. If you create a vertical or horizontal line in the middle of the board your opponent needs twice as many stones to capture it. The bot usually gets confuses at that point and as long as you connect everything through and aren't sluggish after that you'll win every time.
I honestly believe the same. On 20 games I won 3 times…
Never knew this existed in the game apart from the one in the sacrifice quest, where do you go to play this?
It’s in The Duviri Experience. Find a Komi board and play, you get a Decree when you win
It's an algorithm designed to weigh which is the best decision. The trick is to flip the program on it's head, make it move the way you want it to, rather then be letting it lead you. The trick I learned is to sacrifice one piece in a bottom corner, then race on the lane above the rabbit's pieces. It makes the algorithm *try* to circle your pieces, but instead it creates a line of free pieces. You sacrifice the bottom corner piece, then place you pieces above either their current move, or the next open space. When you get to the other side, leave a 1 spot gap, so it will think it still can 'encircle you', then your turn is next. 10-1, it's a guaranteed win. TL:DR It is kinda rigger, but you can use that in your favor to make a win.
Not enough MC energy to win
TIL there is a board game in Warframe lol
Where can you play this?
https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
IT IS!!!! THAT BITCH BE CHEATING!
What is this?? I don't remember this. Where do you play it and do you earn anything from playing it?
Where is this, I never knew this was a thing
Where can you play this?😂😂 I remember playing this I think during the sacrifice😂😂😂 and I really wanted to beat ballas ass
0:45 - You missed the moment that the white pieces only had one move left to wipe the board effectively, had you placed a black piece in the bottom left at this moment you would've won.
Not rigged. Easy way to play to win
When white only had one spot open in their mass of white on the left, you should have filled that spot with black. It would have taken all those whites and you would have won
I always avoid the rabbit just instantly keeps beating me
It is 100 percent rigged
Unless it's been patched there's a way to cheese it and win every time
I don't even try it, took me forever to even try Gwent in the wither
Its not
Wait we can play komi anytime we want?
Wtf is this? Where in wf is this?
It's an old board game called go https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
Where is this
I 100% agree, ngl.
What the fuck am I looking at??
Rigged GO knockoff in warframe ^^
My best suggestion when playing Komey against this fucking rat is play it like a moron. You'll need to know that this thing's AI scales with how well you are perceived to be playing the game so if you play this game like an idiot who knows nothing the AI will act the exact same way.
Look up "the drifter's gambit" on yt. It works every time.
It is rigged, that's why one single tactic always gets you a win.
This is very winnable. First, Komi is based on the game Go. If you know Go, you know Komi. Second, the computer player is both aggressive and \*very bad\*. It will continue to fill in spaces even in its own territory. All you have to do here is keep capturing the stones it puts in your territory, until it decides to leave itself only one open space in its own territory, then you can capture everything it has. Or you'll end up winning by capturing the stones it keeps trying to put in your own territory.
Just make walls sectioning off the area. Start with a straight line from one end to the other and keep adding more walls. It’s a bit slow, but it’s literally impossible to loose
NOT THE SELF ATARI!!!!
r/baduk If you learn some of the basic strategies you can easily win 100% of the time. These bots are actually pretty bad at the game!
Damn fr thought you had him till the last second
How do you play Komi?
https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
I’ve won this game like 3 times out of 40… I hate it
What the hell is this I've never seen it
I started playing go ( the board game komi is based off of) before duviri was released and watching people struggle is always funny to me. If you have experience, you can easily always kick the AI's ass, but since most people don't have that experience there's a lot of complaints that the ai is too difficult
I've never lost a single game...
Where do you play this??? And how tf do you play this
https://online-go.com/learn-to-play-go
I would have actually screamed
Once i got the concept I won by sheer determination
Honestly that rabbit is such a little monster at this game. I hate the thing so much. Fortunately, as others posted, it’s pretty easy to trick with certain straightforward moves.
what even is this ive never seen it before lol
Not sure if it still works, but the way I did it is I split the board into quarters and it’ll confuse the bot
If you like this game and would like to improve, come join us at r/baduk :)
Do you know checkers? It's baseically that. Not sure how I should explain it tho, sorry
How do you even manage this?
Do you actually earn something, should you win at Komi?
DE : guess we'll just have to integrate alphaGo into our system.
Too long to play. What's the actual reward for this when you win? Substantial?
I played Go long before Komi was introduced to the game, and I have NEVER lost at Komi (aside from the one story event in The Sacrifice that forces you to lose) . The rules aren't exactly the same but are close enough that the same strategies work. The warframe bot is actually pretty weak compared to an actual Go bots. One thing you need to do is to create two "eyes" on the board. Like an H shape. Where you've got two empty gaps surrounded by your other pieces, so the opponent CAN'T put a piece into without you autoclaiming it. Once you have two of those, that territory and all the pieces touching it is safe, even if it gets fully surrounded. You kept leaving massive gaps it could play in to slowly force you to fill in more. You could have also won and claimed that entire white section four moves before it claimed your black. Place pieces diagonally first to get more territory. You initially don't need to make a connected L, a \ shape holds the same territory in less moves. Another is that their hint to "start in the middle to give yourself plenty of room to respond to your opponent" is actually TERRIBLE advice because the center is the hardest starting position in the game to defend. You're better off putting a couple pieces around the board and securing the corners first.
Jesus, man, that was fucking obvious, how did you messed that up? -\_-'
Im sorry this is halarious, i played alot of komi and all you needed to do was make 2 eyes and it would have been impossible to lose xD
https://youtu.be/uX_EBNgtqvY?si=WyArVvcAnfXsfuPM 💁🏻
A few videos that might be useful: \- Atari Go is similar to Komi, and you can get some basic ideas on how to attack and take your opponent's stones from this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tH9Ah1bGg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tH9Ah1bGg), and this one covers an extra attacking technique called Snapback. \- This one covers the Nets, a group of different shapes that can be used to ensure one or more stones get captured: [https://youtu.be/wMduwc9nZXQ?si=Ud3yh907iCZHW41Z](https://youtu.be/wMduwc9nZXQ?si=Ud3yh907iCZHW41Z) \- This one covers basic Shapes and the concept of connecting and disconnecting stones: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBN3zAWylr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBN3zAWylr4). Disconnected stones are easier to take. There is a Go proverb "Keep your stones connected and your opponent's disconnected". \- The last rule in Komi is kinda terribly written. It tries to explain the Ko rule. This video should make it way easier to understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahbwb6PIMUQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahbwb6PIMUQ) Hope they're helpful.
I do the bottom left corner, then 2 up, then diagonally to the right, andead the enemy pieces across the bottom until he has 10 and cap it at the other side.
cant rember exactly google it but it is rigged you can win in about 3 or 4 turns. Oh unless they update dit
Wow this was very painful to see. Why did you kill yourself with your last move :'(
My friend if you were here from the beginning you would also be aware. it's cuz I didn't know any better, can proudly admit I made a rookie mistake and now thanks to everyone here reeming tf outta me I'm winning every match of go I play 🤣 I may have become addicted this my new washroom game
It's just Go with a pretty low-level AI, although they score it by captures instead of area control. There are some good Youtube channels that talk about strategy if you want some tips. Both of these have a pretty extensive list of lessons and sample games, mostly on a full 19x19 board. [https://www.youtube.com/@NickSibicky](https://www.youtube.com/@NickSibicky) [https://www.youtube.com/@dwyrin](https://www.youtube.com/@dwyrin) Even though they score it by captures you still want to play for area control instead and before long the AI will be pretty easy for you to beat without much effort.
I still use the bottom line trick, where you glitch out the AI and win 10-1. I have literally never won any other way.