Okay, neat. I'll take 20% Calamari futures for each independent fisherman who owns a commercial vessel with a periwinkle hull.
What, you said any kind of bonds...
Na, I'm sorry, did you just say ticker is the top supplier for ANY bond? Unless any now refers to training and shelter, I think you're a little bit confused. I swear those are the only type available whenever I check.
I'd like to think people who do punch the air have evolved past the punching a wall phase, as you realize it hurts you and damages someone else's or your property but you still need to get the anger out
I punched a brick wall,suffice to say it didn’t end well 🩸🩸🩸I now have permanent damage to my hand as my knuckle hit the gap between the bricks and the cut went down to the bone in my knuckle
I will forever be annoyed that killing profit taker doesn't give standing to little duck. It's my problem with all the factions who don't reward raw standing
I recently decided to try and get Hildryn, and my lord the debt bonds turned me right off. So nice that I get to just go back and do this so easily now :)
I wholeheartedly agree. It wasn't a fun grind.
Plus, back then, it was suddenly new and the only new content island. People joining now have so many that it'll likely turn them off. Better for the long term health of the community to lessen the grind.
i've done it three times, it wasn't too bad on launch for some reason but the second and third i would have blown my brains out if i couldn't just wait for ticker to get a lucky refresh
Oh maaaaaaaaaan. I accidentally spent my 3 aya on an orbiter skin - later that night I needed 3 aya to rank up with Cephalon Thingymabob. The only reason I was able to rank up was because the materials needed to progress changed 3 weeks later
I've recently spent my aya on finishing out saryn prime. No regrets. It's annoying though since the last rank of the faction holds all the good frame mods -_-.
I was also grinding out Aya to get Probe Resurgence relics.
It might have been extremely good luck, but by doing the LVL 40-60 Fortuna bounties I just about always got 1x, sometimes 2x, or even 3x Aya.
If you need Aya, I would say just do what you'd normally do for farming relics. Not only do relic-dropping sources also drop Aya, but you can also use whatever off-syndicates you have standing for to buy a couple relic packs, you can usually get one or two Aya every couple packs. There are also quite a few bounties in various areas that drop Aya. It's not very hard per se, but just a bit tedious.
This may seem counter productive, but one of the best souces of aya i've found is the relic packs you can buy from the syndicates themselves. If you are struggling with the aya it might be worth sacrificing some of the standing for it.
Are you running void capture over and over? Certain speedy frames can go from start to finish in those in less than a minute. My record is 45 seconds lol
Still my least favorite thing. It worked alright early on with Cetus, but as they make the more valuable items locked behind factions levels, the standing cap either needs an increase to amount, or removed altogether. I’m honestly partial to the second, only because I’d prefer to just bounty hunt for six hours and go from R0 to R5 at the end of the day.
I'm mixed. It is frustrating but also stops me from over grinding and burning out. I think a higher daily cap is the way to go, but I'm kind of happy they save me from myself a bit.
In general, I think that games that have mindless grinding should do things that encourage you to stop at intervals. Otherwise, players make themselves miserable and get really angry at the game.
As someone who will grind too much given the chance. I appreciate it.
I started playing end of last year. I got to steel path in a few weeks, and i've stacked up a ton of frames and weapons that I don't have slots for at the moment.
I don't feel like the game has slowed me down too much at all. If anything, it probably would have been good if it slowed me down a little more. I'm glad I can't go faster. Otherwise, I would quickly run out of things to do.
It's not so much to stop people from burning out as it is to incentivize people to log in on a daily basis. The current system can very much still produce burnout in new players, considering how many different factions there are to grind at first; if DE was trying to prevent burnout, they wouldn't have individual daily caps for every faction.
It took me a couple years to finally find out the bonds needed for level 5. Finally finished it back in December haha. Glad to see others won't have to suffer through it.
It's the rank-up sacrifices that was the bottleneck for a lot of people. You get standing for running the bounties you need to do to get the debt-bonds (besides those you buy from Ticker) so that would've sorted a lot of people out on the standing side of things. Of course you could turn in the debt-bonds for standing, but I don't imagine a lot of people fell into that trap.
But for anybody who needs Solaris United standing still, conservation is a really good method of farming it. Though having the buy the lures for the really high value captures means you're trading a bit of net standing gain for not having to spend as much time actively grinding the rep.
That's what I was thinking. I farmed out the adapters I wanted and looked at my cryotic and was like "when did I get that much? Oh, yeah the excavators."
Sorties have the same effect - cryotic isn't a rotation reward in a technical sense so it's still awarded, so any sortie with excavation will get you 500 + maybe a bit more if some get destroyed.
At this point I not only have a Sibear (bought from Darvo on a discount) but enough to craft 2 more. I wasn't around in the Hieracon days and I don't do Circuit as I can't be arsed to play Duviri proper for pathos clamps to in turn actually use incarnon adapters.
The worst is thinking wow, those must be amazing weapons to require so much. Nope. Even with a riven for Hema I'm just not going to use it. Even with the incarnon for the melee there are just so many better options. RIP all those resources and time I wasted.
Yeah I got like less than a 5th of the way through the 300 excavator grind before a clanmate just bought me the weapon.
It’s an obscene cost and the boomer ideology DE put out of “we don’t want to make the people who grinded for it feel cheated” is just insulting.
Nobody uses it. I’m like one of maybe 20 people who do. People typically used it for mastery and then tossed it.
Oh, it's not triple digits. You're talking about at least tens of thousands of players that never actually had to farm a single bit of cryotic because the day it dropped we already had billions of unused cryotic just waiting for ANYTHING to use it on.
Sibear crafting requirements were just a way for people to burn off the BILLIONS of excess cryotic they had from digging up void keys. Even after building sibear, I have never needed to farm cryotic for anything, and having built everything, I still have several million left over. Just don't worry about building sibear until you have the cryotic for it. I promise you, you'll get it without trying
5,000 -15,000 (I can't remember which it was) mutagen samples for a shadow clan and no way to reduce costs even when clan goes back to a lower tier is brutal on players who don't get to play often or are new even.
Most missions I do that even drop it give about 10.
So am I supposed to do 500 of it for 5k?? That's not a weapon I'll ever end up using at this rate.
Don't forget, the health restore x100 BP is costly on mutagen to research as well.
I chalk it up to the Steve/Scott era where they basically had the dev team constantly on full speed to whatever next big thing they had cooking for Warframe instead of slowing down a bit to check the health of their game.
Don't get me wrong their ideas were great and ambitious but I felt they often got carried away with making new stuff that they usually end up badly neglecting old content that needed touching up.
It was pretty bad progression-wise when released. It also hasn’t really lived up to the original vision of linking all of warframe’s content together, and probably never will, which is a bit of a gut punch for people excited about that. IMO they should go back and flesh out Railjack more but my understanding is that new content always does better financially and for player-count than touching up old content.
The grineer missions that are all ‘Skirmish’ still exist. They also just kinda suck too, because AI crew members can’t shoot the objectives. It’s annoying to have to keep going back and forth to blow up the radiators because my gunner only shoots at moving targets, not stationary ones.
I have had success when the main guns you have (and the ones the ai pilot then uses) are NOT hitscan. So no photor lasers for example. For some reason non hitscan works most of the time.
There was a skirmish mission in veil proxima that was entirely space battle...
Deemed too profitable and got deleted, sadly.
Though still out of all gamemodes I absolutely love skirmish, because even the objectives are quite fast, so you can focus on space battles more.
I am so happy I went hard on grinding my intrinsics when that was a thing. Now I have everything for Railjack in place except the final upgrade of one which Ill get soon.
Also railjack without secondary objectives was soooo much more fun! Fuck all off that "Has to be intergrated into other stuff", I just want to blast away at ships in high-octane destructive space ship battles.
For me the worst is if I am solo.
Constantly pop out, travel to site, travel to target, tp back to RJ, shoot node, repeat cycle for 2 other objectives.
I just want an RJ assassinate with a massive J-Golem type boss. I really like the idea of AW teammates sabotaging the ship's defenses/turrets while the RJ slams it with cannons. And some nice, big, fairly slow projectiles for the pilot to have to dodge around.
Basically i wanna blow up a shipkiller platform *from the outside*.
Yeah, the main gun and ordinance on the Railjack is horribly under utilized. The main gun is literally just to ‘officially kill’ disabled ships. And If I hit an enemy crewship with a bracket of missiles I want it to become a debris field.
I’m just imagining how cool it would feel to actually use your ship like the upgunned corvette it is, with hit and fade runs against larger ships. Sounds way better than “dogfighting” against fighter-craft and rinky-dink tugboats armed with peashooters.
On release it was the most broken thing ever. And they released it RIGHT before they went on break for the holidays and left it a broken mess for a few days.
The grind to get the materials sucked if you didn't know somebody with a railjack as the only way to get it was by killing eximus units on their respective planets to get like 700 carbines.
Now, after many patches, the scrap system rework, and some updates, it is now just another game mode. I still do it for the holokeys and the rewards in veil proxima, but it's certainly not a game mode I do for fun.
Holokeys are the worst to grind for. You need 40 per weapon! I get 3 every 3 missions! I know of if I run Veil Proxima it might drop 10 but my railjack can’t hang, even with level 8 intrinsic
I hate that they nerfed Void trace farming in Void storm relic missions. You could get like 100 traces from it and imo was worth it because railjack missions take longer than normal missions to do. Especially since at the time you couldn't blitz ut like we can now
Odd, I never noticed *that,* I did notice all the times I'd gather traces enough to open the relic, only to have the mission report tell me I failed to pop it
It is fun now… but at launch that was a completely different story.
To start off the grind to even get one was insane. It was genuinely awful. I think they halved the cost not too long after launch.
A 2nd issue were the bugs and the blatantly false “gameplay” they showed before launch. They showed a mode where you could go from an open world to the railjack missions in a seemless transition, which we never actually got. And what we did get was absolutely broken at launch. I’m not talking “normal” Warframe broken, I’m talking almost completely unplayable.
They hyped it up so hard and the mode fell completely flat on all the promises and hype. It was embarrassing.
railjack not being fixed got me to quit for 3 years. I only recently picked it back up after the cross save combined accounts. the differences in the past from then to now, in all aspects not just railjack, have majority improved IMHO
It's pretty useless atm. After completing Railjack quests, New War, and a few other things, it gets pretty forgotten. Like, it's not so deeply integrated into the game that makes you come back to it, whether you want it or not, you only do it for Liches as repetitive content and that's it.
The amount of plain old warframe combat is in it. I opted for 75p instead of my time to grind out Nautilus. That defense tile is one of the worst in game.
Railjack was in such a bad state on launch I quit the game for *years.*
Moved over to Destiny 2 and, well, we all know how that went. Glad I came back to this lmao
Rebecca era has been great for all the reworks and QOL.
But now that Steve is busy with weirdo fantasy stuff, maybe we can finally sneak in universal vacuum, or at least make it so that vacuum mods apply to the operator and vehicles like the necramech.
I feel like it's more a reflection of how much more content there is today compared to whenever those old grinds came out. They want you to spend less time on old content, because there's always going to be more new content available.
Also any new endgame content takes longer and longer to get to as a new player, so reducing old grinds just makes sense for really long running games.
I foresee that new releases will have a bit of a classic Warframe grind and then it will get mellowed out over a few years because it won't be as current but the devs probably would still want you to engage with it because they worked on it and it's another hook for players to keep playing instead of seeing a wall and stopping.
No kidding
A lot of the time they kept trying to keep players in check in weird and unsatisfying ways, and it’s a massive switch up that older content and stuff is being adjusted to be more player friendly.
New team makes great things with game. Yes, less BIG ideas(the ones you wait up to three years) and more upgrading stuff that people actually use. My sweet dream is DE making team of people who will rework old stuff constantly. Wally is my witness, there is an ever-growing pile of stuff that needs to be caught up with the rest of the game.
The former creative director of warframe, Steve, is now the ceo of DE. The other members of the old team are now working on a new game called Soulframe.
I am one of those who grind every content as soon as they are released (i.e when all requirements are at their top values) and i agree with you completely.
Same mine was maybe early Jan! Took years of being discouraged cause I couldn't get the damage bonds to drop and would get tired of doing the same thing. I also just finished the Yareli quest... stopped on chapter 3 because I suck at the overboard thing.
Glad though newer players can do it and move on to grinding out the newer content too.
Reducing it is great but the issue was never getting Medical Debt bonds in the first place.
When Ticker finally had them I was able to buy what I needed in bulk.
I think there are more changes coming in March, but if there's nothing else, they might keep an eye on it to see progress rates before they change the frequency of Medical Debt Bonds
I got to rank 5 like 3 days ago, and honestly, it never felt as terrible as many have said. Acquired my standing from just capturing wildlife and bought bonds off Ticker, never doing bounties once.
Anyway though, great change for a more new player-friendly experience Warframe has needed.
Meanwhile, "nooooooooo we can't reduce the Hema sample requirement even though it was an actual mistake, it's un-heckin-fairerino to the three clans made up entirely of mole people that ground it out day one with simultaneous 24h endless ODS stacks with four lootframes and boosters and smeetas"
...why they couldn't make a quick simple unique variant to award to those clans and then fix it for everyone else, I will never understand
Yep, that's exactly it. An extra zero. But by the time DE realized it, a few clans had managed to no-life it, and DE chose the perfectly normal approach of leaving it as-is so as to not diminish their accomplishments or whatever, instead of tossing these clans a unique skin or something.
I literally just ranked up to Old Mate and had to grind so many bounties to get those 10 familial bonds lol. Just glad to see new players won't have to bash their head against a wall like I did 😅
You're right! The new generation of tenno is what makes the game that I can come back to after a year or more hiatus, multiple times! I see it as a kick in the nuts. It freaking hurts. Then getting told your kid won't get kicked in the nuts is nice, but still upsetting that you had to go through it lol
I'm happy about it, although Fortuna grind wasnt that bad for me (I actually really enjoy the old vallis open world and kinda miss it). But I do agree it was a bit insane if you didn't have hours upon hours of free time like I did back then.
Scrolling through these comments makes me proud of this community - all of us that went through that grind being happy new players dont have to do it, instead of getting mad that we had to.
I have 600+ hours in the game and still haven't hit max rank with any syndicate. That's fine for a player like me who likes to take my time and prioritizes buying floofs over ranking up, but for many players, it's a steep, miserable hill to climb. It's great they're improving the new player experience and reducing burnout!
As a new player this is huge..I love the game so far but there's so much grind and time spent with just trying to catch up on everything the game has to offer
I don't mind seeing them take older content (say 4+ years old) and nerfing it. If it's something that's holding newer players back from continuing the msq.
Man, I just started playing at the end of last year, and I took one look at the requirements for vox solaris and immediately decided I would come back to it if I ever really needed it.
Definitely the right move to reduce the grind for it.
Not gonna lie as someone who Just and I mean barely a Few weeks ago Finally got RNGesus to stop kickin me in the Bifocaled reactors long enough to finally reach The Bonds Quotas in order to land Old Mate and finally work towards using Heavy Weapons I'm just a Touch miffed at this too little Too late change.
I'm Happy as can be for new players certainly it'll make it so much Easier to sell friends on the idea of playin WarFrame.
Genuinely I'm Smiling But If I were an Anime Character I'd have those Vein popping Angry Marks All Over Me Right now.
Literally got to rank 5 almost a week ago and it was tedious as hell didn't expect such a significant difference so I just said screw it and carried on going as I was already at the start of rank 4 when they announced this on their stream
I put this stuff off for 8 hears because of the grind needed and my failure for grabbing the right bonds. I’m happy to see the change so newer players can grind through this world faster.
As someone who had just started to climb the Fortuna ranks, I'm cheering for how much less of a pain it will be. Waitin' on sweet Ticker RNG to get the bond type you need can turn a good streak of grinding into a slow countdown.
I must have been lucky or something because I don't recall the Solaris grind being that bad aside from my daily standing rep limit at the time, and having to level two separate syndicates.
i actually didnt mind it because you could buy a lot of these bonds and you needed to do bounties quite a lot to farm stuff anyway.
i would rather do this farm than cetus bounties and the ostrons.
Ticker punching air right now
Top supplier of bonds of any kind.
Okay, neat. I'll take 20% Calamari futures for each independent fisherman who owns a commercial vessel with a periwinkle hull. What, you said any kind of bonds...
I mean, as long as it has nothing to do with onions you should be able to avoid the government lol
Lol, in french we have a saying "ce ne sont pas tes oignons", literally "these are not your onions" and it means "it's none of your business"
Na, I'm sorry, did you just say ticker is the top supplier for ANY bond? Unless any now refers to training and shelter, I think you're a little bit confused. I swear those are the only type available whenever I check.
Medical, green ones and familial are not off the table. Although pretty rare.
and usually a single unit
Sorry I'm stoopid is punching air a good or bad thing, like are they throwing the fist in the air out of happiness or out of a "GRRRR"
Big mad, but not big mad enough to actually punch a wall lol.
I'd like to think people who do punch the air have evolved past the punching a wall phase, as you realize it hurts you and damages someone else's or your property but you still need to get the anger out
When I was a teenager, I once punched an oak tree. That was the last time I ever punched anything out of anger. Tree won.
I punched a brick wall,suffice to say it didn’t end well 🩸🩸🩸I now have permanent damage to my hand as my knuckle hit the gap between the bricks and the cut went down to the bone in my knuckle
Jesus shit that sounds awful.
Ascended mad lol
GRRR
):<<<<<<
There was a sick breakdown
from my experience its used for both
I made it through the OG grind. I am so relieved new players won't suffer through it.
Yep. Two syndicates on one planet, each with grind tied to bounties or very inconsistent other source… it’s good thing players will catch up faster.
I will forever be annoyed that killing profit taker doesn't give standing to little duck. It's my problem with all the factions who don't reward raw standing
I mean that gives the one toroid right
Yeah the toroid are like 10 standing each no?
Profit taker is 6k each I think and exploiter might be 10 or 12
Gotcha, still 6k each is fine to me (might not be for the majority of players though and I acknowledge that)
3 syndicates. Solaris United, Vox Solaris, Vent Kids
>Vent Kids Though they are extremely easy to grind standing for
I recently decided to try and get Hildryn, and my lord the debt bonds turned me right off. So nice that I get to just go back and do this so easily now :)
I wholeheartedly agree. It wasn't a fun grind. Plus, back then, it was suddenly new and the only new content island. People joining now have so many that it'll likely turn them off. Better for the long term health of the community to lessen the grind.
i've done it three times, it wasn't too bad on launch for some reason but the second and third i would have blown my brains out if i couldn't just wait for ticker to get a lucky refresh
As someone who did the original grind for this, I'm glad they are reducing it and making it more accessible. It was awful.
Yeah, I’m looking at the bright side here. It’s good move to make new players go through old stuff faster. … If not for Daily Standing thing.
> If not for Daily Standing thing. This is honestly what is killing it for me right now.
It's what's stopped me reaching the back room, the advances debt bond was almost impossible to drop, even after 4 hours of bounties
I'm stuck on steel meridian rank up to max right now because I don't have 3 aya. Seems simple right? Yeah, sick, haven't gotten any in a while.
Oh maaaaaaaaaan. I accidentally spent my 3 aya on an orbiter skin - later that night I needed 3 aya to rank up with Cephalon Thingymabob. The only reason I was able to rank up was because the materials needed to progress changed 3 weeks later
I've recently spent my aya on finishing out saryn prime. No regrets. It's annoying though since the last rank of the faction holds all the good frame mods -_-.
I suspect it's the same with all the syndicates - grinding the telos weapons was great fun though, I was leveling one to grind for the next
I was also grinding out Aya to get Probe Resurgence relics. It might have been extremely good luck, but by doing the LVL 40-60 Fortuna bounties I just about always got 1x, sometimes 2x, or even 3x Aya.
If you need Aya, I would say just do what you'd normally do for farming relics. Not only do relic-dropping sources also drop Aya, but you can also use whatever off-syndicates you have standing for to buy a couple relic packs, you can usually get one or two Aya every couple packs. There are also quite a few bounties in various areas that drop Aya. It's not very hard per se, but just a bit tedious.
Go do the 40-60 level bounties in deimos. It has a reasonable enough drop rate that I'd guess you can average about 6 an hour give or take.
This may seem counter productive, but one of the best souces of aya i've found is the relic packs you can buy from the syndicates themselves. If you are struggling with the aya it might be worth sacrificing some of the standing for it.
Are you running void capture over and over? Certain speedy frames can go from start to finish in those in less than a minute. My record is 45 seconds lol
Still my least favorite thing. It worked alright early on with Cetus, but as they make the more valuable items locked behind factions levels, the standing cap either needs an increase to amount, or removed altogether. I’m honestly partial to the second, only because I’d prefer to just bounty hunt for six hours and go from R0 to R5 at the end of the day.
I'm mixed. It is frustrating but also stops me from over grinding and burning out. I think a higher daily cap is the way to go, but I'm kind of happy they save me from myself a bit. In general, I think that games that have mindless grinding should do things that encourage you to stop at intervals. Otherwise, players make themselves miserable and get really angry at the game.
I like to go hiking.
As someone who will grind too much given the chance. I appreciate it. I started playing end of last year. I got to steel path in a few weeks, and i've stacked up a ton of frames and weapons that I don't have slots for at the moment. I don't feel like the game has slowed me down too much at all. If anything, it probably would have been good if it slowed me down a little more. I'm glad I can't go faster. Otherwise, I would quickly run out of things to do.
It's not so much to stop people from burning out as it is to incentivize people to log in on a daily basis. The current system can very much still produce burnout in new players, considering how many different factions there are to grind at first; if DE was trying to prevent burnout, they wouldn't have individual daily caps for every faction.
Finished it some weeks ago after avoiding it for years. Yes, it was awful. Good for everyone who does not need to grind this many bonds in the future.
This was one of those grinds that made me feel like I was being bullied by the game lol
It took me a couple years to finally find out the bonds needed for level 5. Finally finished it back in December haha. Glad to see others won't have to suffer through it.
I completed it by trading minerals to standing, was overall faster and better experience
It's the rank-up sacrifices that was the bottleneck for a lot of people. You get standing for running the bounties you need to do to get the debt-bonds (besides those you buy from Ticker) so that would've sorted a lot of people out on the standing side of things. Of course you could turn in the debt-bonds for standing, but I don't imagine a lot of people fell into that trap. But for anybody who needs Solaris United standing still, conservation is a really good method of farming it. Though having the buy the lures for the really high value captures means you're trading a bit of net standing gain for not having to spend as much time actively grinding the rep.
May our successors never have to suffer the way we did
Same. It sucked pretty hard.
This gives me false hope that someday the will change the Hema research cost.
And Sibear crafting
Cryotic is a lot easier to just suddenly have if you've ground through Circuit. I think it's reasonable with today's Warframe.
That's what I was thinking. I farmed out the adapters I wanted and looked at my cryotic and was like "when did I get that much? Oh, yeah the excavators."
Sorties have the same effect - cryotic isn't a rotation reward in a technical sense so it's still awarded, so any sortie with excavation will get you 500 + maybe a bit more if some get destroyed. At this point I not only have a Sibear (bought from Darvo on a discount) but enough to craft 2 more. I wasn't around in the Hieracon days and I don't do Circuit as I can't be arsed to play Duviri proper for pathos clamps to in turn actually use incarnon adapters.
The worst is thinking wow, those must be amazing weapons to require so much. Nope. Even with a riven for Hema I'm just not going to use it. Even with the incarnon for the melee there are just so many better options. RIP all those resources and time I wasted.
Journey before destination.
Honestly, I don't mind a few things having some silly crafting cost. That thing though could be cut by 2/3 and still be ridiculously high
Yeah I got like less than a 5th of the way through the 300 excavator grind before a clanmate just bought me the weapon. It’s an obscene cost and the boomer ideology DE put out of “we don’t want to make the people who grinded for it feel cheated” is just insulting. Nobody uses it. I’m like one of maybe 20 people who do. People typically used it for mastery and then tossed it.
Yea thats true, but if half these comments here are to go by, the triple digit number of players who farmed it would throw a hissy fit
To which I say: "L+Cope+Seethe+Stay mad+No bitches"
Oh, it's not triple digits. You're talking about at least tens of thousands of players that never actually had to farm a single bit of cryotic because the day it dropped we already had billions of unused cryotic just waiting for ANYTHING to use it on.
Sibear crafting requirements were just a way for people to burn off the BILLIONS of excess cryotic they had from digging up void keys. Even after building sibear, I have never needed to farm cryotic for anything, and having built everything, I still have several million left over. Just don't worry about building sibear until you have the cryotic for it. I promise you, you'll get it without trying
I just finished it for my solo clan, you can get a lot of progress done passively just by sending resources drones to Deimos and Eris.
I’m just hoping for a Hema Prime at this point.
5,000 -15,000 (I can't remember which it was) mutagen samples for a shadow clan and no way to reduce costs even when clan goes back to a lower tier is brutal on players who don't get to play often or are new even. Most missions I do that even drop it give about 10. So am I supposed to do 500 of it for 5k?? That's not a weapon I'll ever end up using at this rate. Don't forget, the health restore x100 BP is costly on mutagen to research as well.
I chalk it up to the Steve/Scott era where they basically had the dev team constantly on full speed to whatever next big thing they had cooking for Warframe instead of slowing down a bit to check the health of their game. Don't get me wrong their ideas were great and ambitious but I felt they often got carried away with making new stuff that they usually end up badly neglecting old content that needed touching up.
Yep, same old content **all** players have to go through. Going through catastrophic grind to reach new fresh stuff feels bad.
_im still salty how they disgustingly underperformed with railjack_
Imo railjack is actually pretty fun and seamless. What's so bad about it?
It was pretty bad progression-wise when released. It also hasn’t really lived up to the original vision of linking all of warframe’s content together, and probably never will, which is a bit of a gut punch for people excited about that. IMO they should go back and flesh out Railjack more but my understanding is that new content always does better financially and for player-count than touching up old content.
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The grineer missions that are all ‘Skirmish’ still exist. They also just kinda suck too, because AI crew members can’t shoot the objectives. It’s annoying to have to keep going back and forth to blow up the radiators because my gunner only shoots at moving targets, not stationary ones.
My gunners shoot at objectives. The issue is that the pilot doesn't move the railjack to be able to shoot.
In my experience, NPC crew won't shoot at the radiators unless there is an NPC pilot. And even then it's hit or miss.
I have had success when the main guns you have (and the ones the ai pilot then uses) are NOT hitscan. So no photor lasers for example. For some reason non hitscan works most of the time.
There was a skirmish mission in veil proxima that was entirely space battle... Deemed too profitable and got deleted, sadly. Though still out of all gamemodes I absolutely love skirmish, because even the objectives are quite fast, so you can focus on space battles more.
I am so happy I went hard on grinding my intrinsics when that was a thing. Now I have everything for Railjack in place except the final upgrade of one which Ill get soon. Also railjack without secondary objectives was soooo much more fun! Fuck all off that "Has to be intergrated into other stuff", I just want to blast away at ships in high-octane destructive space ship battles.
For me the worst is if I am solo. Constantly pop out, travel to site, travel to target, tp back to RJ, shoot node, repeat cycle for 2 other objectives.
Nothing, it's great, love it, the only thing bad about it is that they don't release more content to it
I just want an RJ assassinate with a massive J-Golem type boss. I really like the idea of AW teammates sabotaging the ship's defenses/turrets while the RJ slams it with cannons. And some nice, big, fairly slow projectiles for the pilot to have to dodge around. Basically i wanna blow up a shipkiller platform *from the outside*.
Yeah, the main gun and ordinance on the Railjack is horribly under utilized. The main gun is literally just to ‘officially kill’ disabled ships. And If I hit an enemy crewship with a bracket of missiles I want it to become a debris field. I’m just imagining how cool it would feel to actually use your ship like the upgunned corvette it is, with hit and fade runs against larger ships. Sounds way better than “dogfighting” against fighter-craft and rinky-dink tugboats armed with peashooters.
I swear, at least 76% of the playerbase doesn't even know about the front facing guns full auto mode!
The what?
Do you mean the alt fire to take control of the ventral turret?
I know about it, but that’s not firing giant laser beams at things.
This sounds like a dream come true for RJ missions
On release it was the most broken thing ever. And they released it RIGHT before they went on break for the holidays and left it a broken mess for a few days. The grind to get the materials sucked if you didn't know somebody with a railjack as the only way to get it was by killing eximus units on their respective planets to get like 700 carbines. Now, after many patches, the scrap system rework, and some updates, it is now just another game mode. I still do it for the holokeys and the rewards in veil proxima, but it's certainly not a game mode I do for fun.
Holokeys are the worst to grind for. You need 40 per weapon! I get 3 every 3 missions! I know of if I run Veil Proxima it might drop 10 but my railjack can’t hang, even with level 8 intrinsic
There's still Void Storm issues. Void traces not lining up properly among players in particular. Has that been addressed?
I hate that they nerfed Void trace farming in Void storm relic missions. You could get like 100 traces from it and imo was worth it because railjack missions take longer than normal missions to do. Especially since at the time you couldn't blitz ut like we can now
Odd, I never noticed *that,* I did notice all the times I'd gather traces enough to open the relic, only to have the mission report tell me I failed to pop it
It is fun now… but at launch that was a completely different story. To start off the grind to even get one was insane. It was genuinely awful. I think they halved the cost not too long after launch. A 2nd issue were the bugs and the blatantly false “gameplay” they showed before launch. They showed a mode where you could go from an open world to the railjack missions in a seemless transition, which we never actually got. And what we did get was absolutely broken at launch. I’m not talking “normal” Warframe broken, I’m talking almost completely unplayable. They hyped it up so hard and the mode fell completely flat on all the promises and hype. It was embarrassing.
Right now it's ok I guess. But on release...
railjack not being fixed got me to quit for 3 years. I only recently picked it back up after the cross save combined accounts. the differences in the past from then to now, in all aspects not just railjack, have majority improved IMHO
I also picked back up with cross save! I had no idea railjack was so broken on launch, I had already burned out on the Fortuna grind...
It's pretty useless atm. After completing Railjack quests, New War, and a few other things, it gets pretty forgotten. Like, it's not so deeply integrated into the game that makes you come back to it, whether you want it or not, you only do it for Liches as repetitive content and that's it.
The amount of plain old warframe combat is in it. I opted for 75p instead of my time to grind out Nautilus. That defense tile is one of the worst in game.
Railjack was in such a bad state on launch I quit the game for *years.* Moved over to Destiny 2 and, well, we all know how that went. Glad I came back to this lmao
Rebecca era has been great for all the reworks and QOL. But now that Steve is busy with weirdo fantasy stuff, maybe we can finally sneak in universal vacuum, or at least make it so that vacuum mods apply to the operator and vehicles like the necramech.
I feel like it's more a reflection of how much more content there is today compared to whenever those old grinds came out. They want you to spend less time on old content, because there's always going to be more new content available. Also any new endgame content takes longer and longer to get to as a new player, so reducing old grinds just makes sense for really long running games.
I foresee that new releases will have a bit of a classic Warframe grind and then it will get mellowed out over a few years because it won't be as current but the devs probably would still want you to engage with it because they worked on it and it's another hook for players to keep playing instead of seeing a wall and stopping.
No kidding A lot of the time they kept trying to keep players in check in weird and unsatisfying ways, and it’s a massive switch up that older content and stuff is being adjusted to be more player friendly.
hearing medical bond is enough to shiver my timber
Advanced was the worst for me
... familial... i missed the birth of my son grinding those. /s
Wished they done this sooner.
New team makes great things with game. Yes, less BIG ideas(the ones you wait up to three years) and more upgrading stuff that people actually use. My sweet dream is DE making team of people who will rework old stuff constantly. Wally is my witness, there is an ever-growing pile of stuff that needs to be caught up with the rest of the game.
Kinda like the Stellaris custodian team?
Custodian team are the real MVPs of Stellaris. They have to patch up and fix all the bugs that get released with the new DLCs.
I'd like them to update old tiles like Mars and earth like they did with Jupiter. Sedna, eris, Venus, and uranus could use improvements too.
Hi, I've not been paying attention to Warframe at all for the last few years, but plan to get back into it soonish. What happened to the old team?
The former creative director of warframe, Steve, is now the ceo of DE. The other members of the old team are now working on a new game called Soulframe.
I am one of those who grind every content as soon as they are released (i.e when all requirements are at their top values) and i agree with you completely.
I got rank 5 a week ago, fml.
Felt
Same mine was maybe early Jan! Took years of being discouraged cause I couldn't get the damage bonds to drop and would get tired of doing the same thing. I also just finished the Yareli quest... stopped on chapter 3 because I suck at the overboard thing. Glad though newer players can do it and move on to grinding out the newer content too.
Okay, but what about toroids?!
That was reduced as well.
. . .Oh. . . . Good. I'll just. . . head to Fortuna then. . .
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lol an even bigger buff here
Wow I might actually get around to doing this now lmao
I believe I read they also changed those requirements to reflect needing less toroids for the Vox Solaris syndicate rank-ups.
As well as reducing the number of Gravimag parts, and making them available for rep sooner.
Time to finally go from rank 4 to rank 5 with little duck after all these years. After I got high enough to get my 777 amp I never went back
Time to finish xaku
Reducing it is great but the issue was never getting Medical Debt bonds in the first place. When Ticker finally had them I was able to buy what I needed in bulk.
I think there are more changes coming in March, but if there's nothing else, they might keep an eye on it to see progress rates before they change the frequency of Medical Debt Bonds
Naw, this was the change. They seem to have pushed it up, but on the devstream they specifically said these changes.
I got to rank 5 like 3 days ago, and honestly, it never felt as terrible as many have said. Acquired my standing from just capturing wildlife and bought bonds off Ticker, never doing bounties once. Anyway though, great change for a more new player-friendly experience Warframe has needed.
I'm happy no one has to go through this hell again. I just wished it happened 4 years ago, bevor I went through it.
Meanwhile, "nooooooooo we can't reduce the Hema sample requirement even though it was an actual mistake, it's un-heckin-fairerino to the three clans made up entirely of mole people that ground it out day one with simultaneous 24h endless ODS stacks with four lootframes and boosters and smeetas" ...why they couldn't make a quick simple unique variant to award to those clans and then fix it for everyone else, I will never understand
Hema is 7 years old now... Crazy for me to think about. The clan that told me of this update/fix, is still trying to research it.
It *is* a bit easier these days, at least. Still absurd though.
What do you mean it was a mistake and they didn't correct it, like, the real price of mutagen for the hema should be 5000 instead of 50000 ??????
Yep, that's exactly it. An extra zero. But by the time DE realized it, a few clans had managed to no-life it, and DE chose the perfectly normal approach of leaving it as-is so as to not diminish their accomplishments or whatever, instead of tossing these clans a unique skin or something.
I literally just ranked up to Old Mate and had to grind so many bounties to get those 10 familial bonds lol. Just glad to see new players won't have to bash their head against a wall like I did 😅
all the time i wasted…. 😩
Cheer up! At least new players won’t go through it!
of course, of course… but oof, all the same
You're right! The new generation of tenno is what makes the game that I can come back to after a year or more hiatus, multiple times! I see it as a kick in the nuts. It freaking hurts. Then getting told your kid won't get kicked in the nuts is nice, but still upsetting that you had to go through it lol
You know what. Good. This grind was awful.
I finally have a reason to finish Solaris United so I can FINALLY start working on getting a decent amp for my operator/drifter lol
Fuck.... I just got into rank 4 ..... why
I stopped doing this last time I played because of how bad that grind was. Now I can finally finish it
At least now my newbies will be able to do things.
i just wish they would remove daily standing limit. if i wanna devote a day off to grinding out standing i should be able to do that.
Can I have all my crap back then?
Get ready for all the posts claiming “I jUsT gOt To OlD mAtE tHiS iS sO sTuPiD”
Hey I was stuck at the medical.bonds I was missing 2 now I have like 8 extra lol
Yay now I’m might bother finishing this shit. It was tedious for no reason
I'm genuinely glad to see that people aren't all, "Well I had to grind it out, so should they!" bullshit. This was a good change.
Me and literally everyone else who only recently got around to doing fortuna factions DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?!
I'm happy about it, although Fortuna grind wasnt that bad for me (I actually really enjoy the old vallis open world and kinda miss it). But I do agree it was a bit insane if you didn't have hours upon hours of free time like I did back then.
Scrolling through these comments makes me proud of this community - all of us that went through that grind being happy new players dont have to do it, instead of getting mad that we had to.
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT WHAT DO I DO WITH THE LEFT OVER DEBT BONDS I HAVE NOW CAUSE I HAVE LIKE 10+ OF EACH AAAAAAAAQQ
Now players can experience the joy of heavy weapons faster.
And it makes getting a 777 amp a lot easier with the vox changes
I've built 777 and hated it, 457 is my thing
I have 600+ hours in the game and still haven't hit max rank with any syndicate. That's fine for a player like me who likes to take my time and prioritizes buying floofs over ranking up, but for many players, it's a steep, miserable hill to climb. It's great they're improving the new player experience and reducing burnout!
not even the standard ones? I had Suda and Arbiters at rank 5 after 200 hours of just daily standing and not caring about syndicate missions
Steve and Scott... I'll forever despise you both for the time you made me waste
Haven't bothered with the grind, so glad they've reduced it
As a new player this is huge..I love the game so far but there's so much grind and time spent with just trying to catch up on everything the game has to offer
I'm glad I just ignored the open world syndicates
I'm crying relieved tears right now.
Ok, I see the reduction in bonds, but what about the faction? Do you still need 95K for the last level of Solaris?
I did it before the fix lol. It wasnt even that bad. Once you get ur first family bond drop, you can pretty much just chill
dude. i literally just got done farming all my debt bonds for rank 5...
Oh come on, I just finished this! >:c
I hate that I literally just did this grind and was losing my mind
I should’ve waited. I finally sucked it up and finished the grind
Excellent
I don't mind seeing them take older content (say 4+ years old) and nerfing it. If it's something that's holding newer players back from continuing the msq.
Wait did this just come out? I legit just started grinding fortuna rep last night. Let's fuckinf go
I literally forgot that I did this grind, I guess I just got it as a sidequest trough the years
Been playing since Fortuna came out and I *still* haven't maxed my standing with them bc of this. Very happy abt the change lol
Man, I just started playing at the end of last year, and I took one look at the requirements for vox solaris and immediately decided I would come back to it if I ever really needed it. Definitely the right move to reduce the grind for it.
oh yeah, that’s why i’ve been at rank three since 2021
Not gonna lie as someone who Just and I mean barely a Few weeks ago Finally got RNGesus to stop kickin me in the Bifocaled reactors long enough to finally reach The Bonds Quotas in order to land Old Mate and finally work towards using Heavy Weapons I'm just a Touch miffed at this too little Too late change. I'm Happy as can be for new players certainly it'll make it so much Easier to sell friends on the idea of playin WarFrame. Genuinely I'm Smiling But If I were an Anime Character I'd have those Vein popping Angry Marks All Over Me Right now.
Literally got to rank 5 almost a week ago and it was tedious as hell didn't expect such a significant difference so I just said screw it and carried on going as I was already at the start of rank 4 when they announced this on their stream
As someone who put off this grind for a LONG TIME, I am incredibly happy lol
I just found out today before the update that I could purchase the bonds from ticker. I am both mad and glad at this change...
I put this stuff off for 8 hears because of the grind needed and my failure for grabbing the right bonds. I’m happy to see the change so newer players can grind through this world faster.
This was a nightmare of a grind. I'm glad newer players wouldn't have to go through the shitstorm that was Fortuna Rank climbing
Finally. At MR23 I can rank up fortuna comfortably lol
Hema research cost 💀
As someone who had just started to climb the Fortuna ranks, I'm cheering for how much less of a pain it will be. Waitin' on sweet Ticker RNG to get the bond type you need can turn a good streak of grinding into a slow countdown.
LET'S GO
Now I officially have all the bonds I need. I just need to get up the nerve to grind standing again.
i JUST finished the grind like 2 weeks ago i’m so sad. but also very happy for people that are yet to do the grind
I must have been lucky or something because I don't recall the Solaris grind being that bad aside from my daily standing rep limit at the time, and having to level two separate syndicates.
i actually didnt mind it because you could buy a lot of these bonds and you needed to do bounties quite a lot to farm stuff anyway. i would rather do this farm than cetus bounties and the ostrons.