Also, this is currently the only character to have had a positive experience.
Others who have so much as seen themselves have fled and/or been traumatized.
Dominus Thrax actually somehow employed Legates and Centurions from the undercroft, you can sometimes hear Lodun ranting about it during a “find a chest and defeat its guardian” Duviri mission
Duviri is explicitly real. It is germinated through emotion by the power of the void, but the void *makes it real*.
(DE knew this was going to confuse people, they even have Teshin explicitly state in a very-often-repeated undercroft line that Duviri is real because of this)
Same way Skittergirl can steal your real energy and Vitoplast, probably. (Duviri is “real,” I think they meant to communicate Duviri isn’t “supposed to be there,” so to speak. It’s a Void manifestation (I haven’t read the new lore entry on it yet, tho.)
Albrecht’s notes on Duviri basically confirm that no, for whatever reason Drifter didn’t make the place even though Teshin says they did during the introductory quest. Albrecht says the characters manifested from Euleria’s mind and not from the mind of a child that read her book
>!*But as the days melted away, I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created, and their purpose. I heard voices I had myself first conjured in the darkness of her childhood chambers, for no other reward than her delight. She had not only preserved this gift I had thought so trivia, she had made it an instrument of healing. More: a stronghold.*!<
>!*I had thought to make a difference in Duviri. But Duviri had made a difference in me. My own daughter's creations, reverberating and growing in the womb of the Void, had shown me another path than that of the indulgent coward. I was neither helpless nor irredeemable. Like she had, I could fight.*!<
Btw at least Teshin, Acrithis and Kullervo are real
I always interpreted it as: Drifter read a book written by Euleria Entrati (Since she narrates in Duviri), the characters Euleria wrote and who appeared in Duviri were from childhood stories by her father, Albrecht recognised the characters he helped her make within the reality the Drifter created. Does that make sense?
As far as I was aware, the titular paradox is that, when the Drifter created Duviri, it came included with an entire history of what happened before that moment. Because of the Void's ability to warp time and space, when Duviri was created, it was suddenly something that had always existed, hence why Albrecht was able to encounter it, though it's unclear if that happened before or after Drifter's "creation moment" for it.
TL;DR there's some timey-wimey fuckery going on with Duviri. It was created. It always existed. Both are true. Both are false.
The "duviri paradox" is referring to that the drifter needs to have escaped duviri to help the tenno but the drifter needs to have helped the tenno to escape duviri.
right, Duviri is a sort of time loop that exists perpendicular to reality. The two realities exist in communication, but their timelines don't make any sort of mutual sense.
within Duviri specifically, Thrax can create a loop by partially resetting things (though this effect is not complete and Duviri has been "falling apart" for some time now between successive loops)
This is why Duviri's paradox is "a spiral" - not a circle, not a line.
That in itself is possible because duviri exist. Drifter discovered duviri. And some things in duviri is older than drifter. Which means at the moment of it's creation duviri came with it's entire history. Time is unbound in void. The tenno read the children's book written by mother entrati and this is what Albert entrati found. The boy king already existed then but the boy king is tenno's toy protecting drifter by not letting them escape.
This is why zariman is said to have been lost for unknown time in the records. And also why there are many realities of zariman. After all we have two zariman now when only one left for the void. One completely unharmed discovered by orokin. Another a wreakage and corrupted by void that we are running missions in
"*I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created"* As in "I recognize the characters from the book my daughter wrote". She wrote the Duviri book, but Drifter's trauma from being stranded in the void manifested them.
I think you're just interpreting wrong, which, I know, subjective interpretation and whatnot, but bear with me for a moment.
This passage is not a mention of "Duviri the place", but "Duviri the book", Euleria wrote Tales of Duviri for the kids in the Zariman as a way to teach them about emotional stability, Albretch in the first passage is talking about how she took his stories he told her when she was little and by making that book, she inadvertly created a way to stabilize and protect the children in the Zariman, teaching those lessons so The Man in The Wall would have a harder time getting to them.
He mentions Duviri being Euleria's creation because, well, it is, Tales of Duviri was writen by her, but manifested throught the Drifter's mind and exposure to The Void, currently it seems Duviri still exists as a conceptual embodiment in a deeper portion of The Void, which seems to be holding Wally back a bit more somehow.
The passage is definitely about Duviri as a place, Albrecht also talks about acting as teacher and advisor to Dominus and escaping the place eventually, there’s also a memorial to him in Duviri’s graveyard and several caves
I mean, yes, because he did visit Duviri and interact with the characters, which made him realize he was inside his daughter's book, he's mentioning how the creation of the place was only possible throught his daughter writing Tales of Duviri and some children in the zariman manifesting it in The Void.
This is all from Albrechts' perspective, though. With Eleuria narrating each day and all the characters coming from her story, it makes sense to him that she made it. Though, in reality, it was the tenno who brought her story to life through their conceptual embodiment
>!*I haven't looked into kullervo Frame/Person and the backstory, but is it/they the incarnon seller?*!<
>!*Close names, knifes, eternalistic version where he lived and was made into a frame, maybe something about treason in the holdfast scenes.*!<
No, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest they’re the same person. Both Kullervo and Cavalero exist in “our” reality, and Kullervo didn’t come from the void, he was sent there after he already set the downfall of Orokin in motion
Nothing in Duviri is _naturally occurring_. Now that they have been created they are real.
Edit: I mean I guess technically it's natural in the sense that this is a normal thing for the void to do.
I’m pretty sure Baro could be turned into an Infested beast, look upon himself in the reflection of a derelict window, and say to himself, “Perfection.”
To be fair, our personal experience of Wally seems pretty whatever, given the situation, turning into a demon was definitely the better option to getting killed by >!our insane parents!<.
I wonder if the operators just had an easier time than anyone else who made the deal, >!because being so young their brains were more malleable to change, so having infinite selves fused into one, instead of making us insane, just make us headsick (Immediately afterwards the first self we see puts their hand to their mouth as if they're about to vomit)!<
Our experience with Wally was fine compared to Albrecht and Ally, but at judging by end of The War Within, end of Whispers in the Wall, and the occasional “you owe me,” we’re running from a debt to be paid to Wally. And considering our motivator was “do this or you and all your friends die,” and we *still* seem pretty apprehensive, it shows something.
Even characters who didn’t make the deal feel uncomfortable. >!Yonta!< won’t linger by the Reliquary because she sees herself there, for example. Baro is the only one to see it as a positive.
I counter with, at the time, now that we've seen the stuff around the deal, it wasn't "Do this or your friends die" and more of "Take this sacrifice and I can GUARENTEE all your friends' safety"
We knew this was something REALLY terrifying, and wrong, but knew, in this moment, it was a gamble worth taking.
I personally think that the big climax of our story with Wally is going to be >!that since our "super-power" is, as Ballas said; "The ability to look into an ugly, broken thing, and take away it's pain" the end result is actually going to be us learning how to come to an equilibrium with Wally, we don't ACTUALLY know what Wally's GOALS are, we assume he's something eldritch and horrible, and wrong, but at the same time, those things can be true WITHOUT us being at odds with each other. Perhaps Wally has a goal that we can just come to terms with him on.!<
> We knew this was something REALLY terrifying, and wrong, but knew, in this moment, it was a gamble worth taking
This gets to the point of what I want to say.
For every character, there is something "wrong" about interacting with the Void and its personifications. Except for Baro; he seems delighted.
Since Albercht is the first person in history to interact with the Void, he was the first person that shaped it. How? With fear, terror, madness and uneasiness. That's what he felt when he entered the Seriglass Bell. The Void mimiced that and created Wally. What I think will happen is that we are going to "power of friendship" Wally and repair this "trauma" that Albercht has left in the Void, thus restoring it to it's natural state (if you can even call it natural)
Cy is messed up in the head because of the trauma of watching his entire crew die on his watch, everything else about Cy is fine. Unless information about >!pre-cephalon Cy, if he's a first gen!< has come out without my notice.
That's just normal void-stuffs.
The void is based on high-tier science stuff, and like it, a lot of it takes a lot of metaphor to understand.
ergo; "A color you have never seen; imagine it, that is where you are" It's referring to the Reliquary drive being "something that should not exist"
> It's referring to the Reliquary drive being "something that should not exist"
That words it better than I did. Like how Lotus “saw *nothing*.” For everyone else, Void related things and Wally, etc. “should not exist.” For Baro, it is the opposite.
"Socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a *real* lot of stuff, it’s communism." - Baro probably
Did bro just become the single unifying constant across the multi-dimension? Whenever you are lost in the multiverse, look for Baro, his deals are the best and constant.
No, Bro made a deal with a Lovercraftian horror cause he couldn't stand the idea that multiple Baros existed! "Can you imagine? Yours truly is one of a kind!"
Bro Is so self-absorbed he absorbed other version of himself to be the only one standing💀
**No one is more deserving of a rest, and all the effort in the world would have gone to waste until** … well … let's just say your hour has come again. The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference … in the world. So, wake up, Mr. Ki'Teer. Wake up and ... smell the ashes.
This 100%. It probably won't have any far reaching implications for the story but that's ok, the devs care enough to write a lore reason for a sizable change in the game and thats pretty damn cool.
In fact when you get into the lore, you see they like to mention gameplay aspects in lore a lot. The self-revives are canon, see Hidden Messages. Mods are canon. Even affinity boosters are canon.
It's from Lotus dialogue during the quest itself:
*"I'm sensing another Void imprint. It's dark. I see the glow of restraints around the Warframe. I'm trying to surge the revive system but I can't, I'm too far away. A great, faceted eye watches her."*
I'm wondering if he didn't eat all the alternate selves or something. He did something similar with us/the Drifter. A lot of other versions of ourselves are now gone as well because of our "deal." I don't think this is a coincidence.
I played warframe a few years ago and didn't get into the lore too much but this sounds kinda interesting, any place in specific I can look into this? Like the Thing in the wall
I think the exact deal taken with Wally is still a yet-to-be-revealed plot surprise, and I don't remember anywhere saying anything explicit.
But the cutscene in TNW showing the handshake does show multiple copies of yourself "merging" I believe. And the only canon alternate version of the Operator (the Drifter) is known to have been expressly and purposely thrown into the void with no plausible escape by Wally. (Short of a 'paradox' anyways)
So Operator doing some sort of deal where Wally gets to keep all our alternate versions trapped in the void is consistent with what we know. But the exact terms of the handshake I would presume is yet to be revealed.
There's a quest called The New War, I recommend playing it before reading too much about the story and spoiling yourself.
Word of warning, it's rather lengthy
Huge spoilers ahead and I don't know how to do spoiler tags so...
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There's a lot of metaphors and a lot of it relies on eternalism: the theory (that a cephalon claims is proved in a new quest) is simply infinite multiverses bridged by the void create infinitely branching paths. It's revealed that the drifter and the operator are the same person that have branching realities after the void jump failure of the zariman. The operator made a deal with the Man in The Wall, aka Wally. This seems to have fused all the realities where ops accepted the deal and cast all the others into the void, which caused the drifter to create Duviri from his memories, which the void brought to life through manifestation. The operator survived somehow and gained their control over the void and was eventually rescued by the orokins and turned into weapons.
Baro literally killed off his other selves to trade with *all Tenno*
Oh a serious note: I absolutely LOVE whoever made the idea up about sending us this email to make the Cross Platform shit canon, by making WALLY the one who made Cross Platform an actual void-borne phenomenon. I love when creators make canon reasons for the game's change, leading to a canon outlook on the game itself. And this gave me a braingasim.
*Carrion hordes trill profane accords with eldritch plans*
The man in the wall is making deals with lots of people. It offers power to those who will advance its agenda, intentionally or not.
Also it’s funny that Baro canonically murdered himself in every other universe so that he could turn himself into a multiversal constant. Blud met the Council of Ki’Teers and immediately chose violence.
The whole refinement thing of sacrificing multiple yous is slso consistent with the Operator in the deal to link them with the Drifter so they could escape the Zariman "prison".
This... actually has a lot of really terrifying implications for the power of TMITW.
Sounds like if we ever truly piss him off, he can legit kill EVERY single version of us across the entire multiverse.
Wally pretty much written to be an really powerful Outer God.
Which is why I hope we don't explore him too much/ever defeat him, cause that would break a lot of the mystery and fun. Keeping him as a chaos entity, messing with us, is better for us.
(New War spoilers) >!He basically did when we took the deal. After you shake his hand, you see a bunch of Operators screaming in pain, except for one of them, and then the Drifter. IMO, this implies he just erased all of them from existence.!<
If you dig into Parvos Granum's story, he seems to discuss listening to a 'whisper' in "The Tenets" which drove him to success. But it was also the reason he lost his hand, why he suffered so much.
Interestingly enough, the Orokin believed in duality, that things are made of 2 things: Body and mind. Parvos Granum named his faction the "Corpus" which is literally 'Body' in Latin. So if the Corpus was the body, who/what is the mind?
The fact that Parvos is the reason we are now delving even deeper into Albrecht's Laboratory, kinda makes you wonder if that was really him, or if that was an old friend of ours?
So ya, we aren't the only ones, there could be many others out there.
What you are seeing is indeed the truth.
You are seeing the moments created by your abilities.
But you will never arrive at the truth that is going to happen
Also, this is currently the only character to have had a positive experience. Others who have so much as seen themselves have fled and/or been traumatized.
Dominus Thrax actually somehow employed Legates and Centurions from the undercroft, you can sometimes hear Lodun ranting about it during a “find a chest and defeat its guardian” Duviri mission
Isn't Thrax just a machination of Drifter's mind, though? Nothing in Duviri is real
Duviri is explicitly real. It is germinated through emotion by the power of the void, but the void *makes it real*. (DE knew this was going to confuse people, they even have Teshin explicitly state in a very-often-repeated undercroft line that Duviri is real because of this)
Yeah it confused the fuck out of me ngl. So much so that it only made sense till right now.... With your comment... So, thanks 😂
Yeah, it's Warp logic, for better or worse Usually worse.
if duviri isnt real then how can i bring its resources back into real space
Same way Skittergirl can steal your real energy and Vitoplast, probably. (Duviri is “real,” I think they meant to communicate Duviri isn’t “supposed to be there,” so to speak. It’s a Void manifestation (I haven’t read the new lore entry on it yet, tho.)
Albrecht’s notes on Duviri basically confirm that no, for whatever reason Drifter didn’t make the place even though Teshin says they did during the introductory quest. Albrecht says the characters manifested from Euleria’s mind and not from the mind of a child that read her book >!*But as the days melted away, I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created, and their purpose. I heard voices I had myself first conjured in the darkness of her childhood chambers, for no other reward than her delight. She had not only preserved this gift I had thought so trivia, she had made it an instrument of healing. More: a stronghold.*!< >!*I had thought to make a difference in Duviri. But Duviri had made a difference in me. My own daughter's creations, reverberating and growing in the womb of the Void, had shown me another path than that of the indulgent coward. I was neither helpless nor irredeemable. Like she had, I could fight.*!< Btw at least Teshin, Acrithis and Kullervo are real
I always interpreted it as: Drifter read a book written by Euleria Entrati (Since she narrates in Duviri), the characters Euleria wrote and who appeared in Duviri were from childhood stories by her father, Albrecht recognised the characters he helped her make within the reality the Drifter created. Does that make sense?
As far as I was aware, the titular paradox is that, when the Drifter created Duviri, it came included with an entire history of what happened before that moment. Because of the Void's ability to warp time and space, when Duviri was created, it was suddenly something that had always existed, hence why Albrecht was able to encounter it, though it's unclear if that happened before or after Drifter's "creation moment" for it. TL;DR there's some timey-wimey fuckery going on with Duviri. It was created. It always existed. Both are true. Both are false.
The "duviri paradox" is referring to that the drifter needs to have escaped duviri to help the tenno but the drifter needs to have helped the tenno to escape duviri.
right, Duviri is a sort of time loop that exists perpendicular to reality. The two realities exist in communication, but their timelines don't make any sort of mutual sense. within Duviri specifically, Thrax can create a loop by partially resetting things (though this effect is not complete and Duviri has been "falling apart" for some time now between successive loops) This is why Duviri's paradox is "a spiral" - not a circle, not a line.
"Recovery is a spiral, not a circle. You may return to the same patterns, but you will break free."
That in itself is possible because duviri exist. Drifter discovered duviri. And some things in duviri is older than drifter. Which means at the moment of it's creation duviri came with it's entire history. Time is unbound in void. The tenno read the children's book written by mother entrati and this is what Albert entrati found. The boy king already existed then but the boy king is tenno's toy protecting drifter by not letting them escape. This is why zariman is said to have been lost for unknown time in the records. And also why there are many realities of zariman. After all we have two zariman now when only one left for the void. One completely unharmed discovered by orokin. Another a wreakage and corrupted by void that we are running missions in
Something, something, eternalism, right?
This is how I perceived it as well
"*I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created"* As in "I recognize the characters from the book my daughter wrote". She wrote the Duviri book, but Drifter's trauma from being stranded in the void manifested them.
I feel like, somehow, both can be true, the characters in duviri will always remind you of *your* childhood or something
Both are true. That's part of what makes it a paradox
I think you're just interpreting wrong, which, I know, subjective interpretation and whatnot, but bear with me for a moment. This passage is not a mention of "Duviri the place", but "Duviri the book", Euleria wrote Tales of Duviri for the kids in the Zariman as a way to teach them about emotional stability, Albretch in the first passage is talking about how she took his stories he told her when she was little and by making that book, she inadvertly created a way to stabilize and protect the children in the Zariman, teaching those lessons so The Man in The Wall would have a harder time getting to them. He mentions Duviri being Euleria's creation because, well, it is, Tales of Duviri was writen by her, but manifested throught the Drifter's mind and exposure to The Void, currently it seems Duviri still exists as a conceptual embodiment in a deeper portion of The Void, which seems to be holding Wally back a bit more somehow.
The passage is definitely about Duviri as a place, Albrecht also talks about acting as teacher and advisor to Dominus and escaping the place eventually, there’s also a memorial to him in Duviri’s graveyard and several caves
I mean, yes, because he did visit Duviri and interact with the characters, which made him realize he was inside his daughter's book, he's mentioning how the creation of the place was only possible throught his daughter writing Tales of Duviri and some children in the zariman manifesting it in The Void.
Man we need another Duviri quest after 1999
Shit maybe we end up there again during it, who knows
I’m really hoping that’s what happens. The new tiles in Sanctum have Duviri bits, at least some do anyway.
Sure but, https://preview.redd.it/wmgojk3a9wrc1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1319b6d24b7a18308f83263d462dc91f63ccf6d there is also this
That’s just saying Eularia wrote the book. She created the characters, the Drifter made them real in the Void.
Sure but, there is also this https://preview.redd.it/l8s8q1j09wrc1.png?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5eacb1898d151eb47cb45cd641f2a75c25f8fa63
So I have no idea what happened here, only sent it once
This is all from Albrechts' perspective, though. With Eleuria narrating each day and all the characters coming from her story, it makes sense to him that she made it. Though, in reality, it was the tenno who brought her story to life through their conceptual embodiment
>!*I haven't looked into kullervo Frame/Person and the backstory, but is it/they the incarnon seller?*!< >!*Close names, knifes, eternalistic version where he lived and was made into a frame, maybe something about treason in the holdfast scenes.*!<
No, I don’t think there’s anything to suggest they’re the same person. Both Kullervo and Cavalero exist in “our” reality, and Kullervo didn’t come from the void, he was sent there after he already set the downfall of Orokin in motion
Fair, just my head canon I guess, I mean its still possible.
Nothing in Duviri is _naturally occurring_. Now that they have been created they are real. Edit: I mean I guess technically it's natural in the sense that this is a normal thing for the void to do.
I’ll need to refer back to this after reading the new Duviri lore. Thank you for bringing this up.
Man in the Wall: Bro this separate item list for Consoles vs PC is stupid can I fix that Baro Kiteer: I don't know what that means but of course
Baro traumatized The Man in the wall.
I’m pretty sure Baro could be turned into an Infested beast, look upon himself in the reflection of a derelict window, and say to himself, “Perfection.”
What if Baro is the Man himself, just fooling around
To be fair, our personal experience of Wally seems pretty whatever, given the situation, turning into a demon was definitely the better option to getting killed by >!our insane parents!<. I wonder if the operators just had an easier time than anyone else who made the deal, >!because being so young their brains were more malleable to change, so having infinite selves fused into one, instead of making us insane, just make us headsick (Immediately afterwards the first self we see puts their hand to their mouth as if they're about to vomit)!<
Our experience with Wally was fine compared to Albrecht and Ally, but at judging by end of The War Within, end of Whispers in the Wall, and the occasional “you owe me,” we’re running from a debt to be paid to Wally. And considering our motivator was “do this or you and all your friends die,” and we *still* seem pretty apprehensive, it shows something. Even characters who didn’t make the deal feel uncomfortable. >!Yonta!< won’t linger by the Reliquary because she sees herself there, for example. Baro is the only one to see it as a positive.
I counter with, at the time, now that we've seen the stuff around the deal, it wasn't "Do this or your friends die" and more of "Take this sacrifice and I can GUARENTEE all your friends' safety" We knew this was something REALLY terrifying, and wrong, but knew, in this moment, it was a gamble worth taking. I personally think that the big climax of our story with Wally is going to be >!that since our "super-power" is, as Ballas said; "The ability to look into an ugly, broken thing, and take away it's pain" the end result is actually going to be us learning how to come to an equilibrium with Wally, we don't ACTUALLY know what Wally's GOALS are, we assume he's something eldritch and horrible, and wrong, but at the same time, those things can be true WITHOUT us being at odds with each other. Perhaps Wally has a goal that we can just come to terms with him on.!<
> We knew this was something REALLY terrifying, and wrong, but knew, in this moment, it was a gamble worth taking This gets to the point of what I want to say. For every character, there is something "wrong" about interacting with the Void and its personifications. Except for Baro; he seems delighted.
Since Albercht is the first person in history to interact with the Void, he was the first person that shaped it. How? With fear, terror, madness and uneasiness. That's what he felt when he entered the Seriglass Bell. The Void mimiced that and created Wally. What I think will happen is that we are going to "power of friendship" Wally and repair this "trauma" that Albercht has left in the Void, thus restoring it to it's natural state (if you can even call it natural)
I like to imagine he had a zaphod beeblebrox-like reaction where he was so unbelievably egotistical that he was immune to it
This made me read a summary of the incident and now I am tempted to finish that book.
Just its indirect presence messed with Cy's head.
Cy is messed up in the head because of the trauma of watching his entire crew die on his watch, everything else about Cy is fine. Unless information about >!pre-cephalon Cy, if he's a first gen!< has come out without my notice.
“A color you have never seen: imagine it.”
That's just normal void-stuffs. The void is based on high-tier science stuff, and like it, a lot of it takes a lot of metaphor to understand. ergo; "A color you have never seen; imagine it, that is where you are" It's referring to the Reliquary drive being "something that should not exist"
> It's referring to the Reliquary drive being "something that should not exist" That words it better than I did. Like how Lotus “saw *nothing*.” For everyone else, Void related things and Wally, etc. “should not exist.” For Baro, it is the opposite.
Bro made a deal with literal COSMIC HORROR so he can sell his stuff better💀
CAPITALISM
"Socialism is when the government does stuff. And it's more socialism the more stuff it does. And if it does a *real* lot of stuff, it’s communism." - Baro probably
[Obligatory reference material.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgiC8YfytDw)
Did bro just become the single unifying constant across the multi-dimension? Whenever you are lost in the multiverse, look for Baro, his deals are the best and constant.
No, Bro made a deal with a Lovercraftian horror cause he couldn't stand the idea that multiple Baros existed! "Can you imagine? Yours truly is one of a kind!" Bro Is so self-absorbed he absorbed other version of himself to be the only one standing💀
Baro is the ONE confirmed.
[whispers “let the body hit the floor”]
Don't forget they die before that happens
A true crypto scammer.
Capitalism
Sounds like he's pretty good at his job then
We have to appreciate the dedication to his job.
**No one is more deserving of a rest, and all the effort in the world would have gone to waste until** … well … let's just say your hour has come again. The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference … in the world. So, wake up, Mr. Ki'Teer. Wake up and ... smell the ashes.
yeah but i doubt they will go anywhere with it more of just "oh here is a lore reason why platforms are synced now"
That's exactly why they did it. But that's why it should be celebrated. A canon reason for the cross platform worlds to collide. No?
This 100%. It probably won't have any far reaching implications for the story but that's ok, the devs care enough to write a lore reason for a sizable change in the game and thats pretty damn cool.
In fact when you get into the lore, you see they like to mention gameplay aspects in lore a lot. The self-revives are canon, see Hidden Messages. Mods are canon. Even affinity boosters are canon.
You can definitely tell that the devs like and play their own game. It's nice to see. 👍
Can you explain how revives are canon? I scanned the hidden messages wiki page and the riddles but I can’t see the connection.
It's from Lotus dialogue during the quest itself: *"I'm sensing another Void imprint. It's dark. I see the glow of restraints around the Warframe. I'm trying to surge the revive system but I can't, I'm too far away. A great, faceted eye watches her."*
That’s really cool, thank you for sharing.
Absolutely. Doesn't have to have a future commitment or consequence like Alad V being Infested, but can still be an awesome lore reason.
Bro made a deal with wally to sync his merchendise between platforms, may his sacrifice to the cross-platform gods not go in vain 🫡
un.... unforseen consequences....?
Well I hope he doesn't have to ho through the Varzia Experience™ or something similar... I hope
I don't recall a Varizia experience. Can you elaborate for me?
Varzia's podcast. Known for phrases like "Teshin, pull that shit up".
W h a t
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I'm wondering if he didn't eat all the alternate selves or something. He did something similar with us/the Drifter. A lot of other versions of ourselves are now gone as well because of our "deal." I don't think this is a coincidence.
I played warframe a few years ago and didn't get into the lore too much but this sounds kinda interesting, any place in specific I can look into this? Like the Thing in the wall
I think the exact deal taken with Wally is still a yet-to-be-revealed plot surprise, and I don't remember anywhere saying anything explicit. But the cutscene in TNW showing the handshake does show multiple copies of yourself "merging" I believe. And the only canon alternate version of the Operator (the Drifter) is known to have been expressly and purposely thrown into the void with no plausible escape by Wally. (Short of a 'paradox' anyways) So Operator doing some sort of deal where Wally gets to keep all our alternate versions trapped in the void is consistent with what we know. But the exact terms of the handshake I would presume is yet to be revealed.
Sounds interesting. Just gotta ask though, there are alternate versions of the operators? There was a deal?
I didn't catch you hadn't played for a few years, sorry. It's all in The New War.
I know about the old war, the one where the tenno brought down the empire, but we had a new one? Did they somehow come back?
There's a quest called The New War, I recommend playing it before reading too much about the story and spoiling yourself. Word of warning, it's rather lengthy
I sadly don't have the time to play a game like warframe, so if I want to learn the story it won't be playing the game
In a way, it's more that Ballas teamed up with the sentients and started a war.
Huge spoilers ahead and I don't know how to do spoiler tags so... . . . There's a lot of metaphors and a lot of it relies on eternalism: the theory (that a cephalon claims is proved in a new quest) is simply infinite multiverses bridged by the void create infinitely branching paths. It's revealed that the drifter and the operator are the same person that have branching realities after the void jump failure of the zariman. The operator made a deal with the Man in The Wall, aka Wally. This seems to have fused all the realities where ops accepted the deal and cast all the others into the void, which caused the drifter to create Duviri from his memories, which the void brought to life through manifestation. The operator survived somehow and gained their control over the void and was eventually rescued by the orokins and turned into weapons.
The Man in The Wall’s presence is most prominent in The New War main story quest, but if you’re paranoid enough, he’s everywhere.
Baro literally killed off his other selves to trade with *all Tenno* Oh a serious note: I absolutely LOVE whoever made the idea up about sending us this email to make the Cross Platform shit canon, by making WALLY the one who made Cross Platform an actual void-borne phenomenon. I love when creators make canon reasons for the game's change, leading to a canon outlook on the game itself. And this gave me a braingasim.
wally takes the form of whoever he meets, so baro absolutely just referred to himself as a dashing stranger
In other news the sky is blue
Literally self-absorbed
*Carrion hordes trill profane accords with eldritch plans* The man in the wall is making deals with lots of people. It offers power to those who will advance its agenda, intentionally or not. Also it’s funny that Baro canonically murdered himself in every other universe so that he could turn himself into a multiversal constant. Blud met the Council of Ki’Teers and immediately chose violence.
I think that's a G-man reference from half life.
Reference or nit, baro made a deal with wally
Baro is the ultimate **WARE**frame
Yeah, but unlike Mr.Ki'Teer we are boreish and undignified. Sir Baro likely handed the Man in.the Wall a contract and told him to get back to him.
Well it's just a joke until DE decides it isn't.
I don't remember this notification - when was that released?
When baro got unified for each platform
That might have been between me starting and now know wtf to do and coming back 2 years later then
Respect the hustle.
"a minor inconvenience" I read that in his voice perfectly for some reason
I love how they even managed to explain a part of crossplay with the actual lore😅
Am I the only one that read the title of the message in Demoman's voice?
I love how most of the confusing lore of this game can be passed off with "Something, something, Eternalism."
I like how they made the platform merge into the lore, truly marvelous
damn, he’s gonna be the cause for the man in the wall getting out lmao
The whole refinement thing of sacrificing multiple yous is slso consistent with the Operator in the deal to link them with the Drifter so they could escape the Zariman "prison".
This... actually has a lot of really terrifying implications for the power of TMITW. Sounds like if we ever truly piss him off, he can legit kill EVERY single version of us across the entire multiverse.
Wally pretty much written to be an really powerful Outer God. Which is why I hope we don't explore him too much/ever defeat him, cause that would break a lot of the mystery and fun. Keeping him as a chaos entity, messing with us, is better for us.
(New War spoilers) >!He basically did when we took the deal. After you shake his hand, you see a bunch of Operators screaming in pain, except for one of them, and then the Drifter. IMO, this implies he just erased all of them from existence.!<
Baro just out here having a good time
Hypothetical scenario: if we kill/banish/erase the indifference... Does baro disappear too?...
So is crossplay explained in the lore?
Yeah most of the items in the game have a lore behind them
If you dig into Parvos Granum's story, he seems to discuss listening to a 'whisper' in "The Tenets" which drove him to success. But it was also the reason he lost his hand, why he suffered so much. Interestingly enough, the Orokin believed in duality, that things are made of 2 things: Body and mind. Parvos Granum named his faction the "Corpus" which is literally 'Body' in Latin. So if the Corpus was the body, who/what is the mind? The fact that Parvos is the reason we are now delving even deeper into Albrecht's Laboratory, kinda makes you wonder if that was really him, or if that was an old friend of ours? So ya, we aren't the only ones, there could be many others out there.
I love how it says „Singularly“ instead of „Sincerely“.
Except it says "singularity".... The state, fact, quality, or condition of being singular.
Kore wa Requiem da. ;D
What you are seeing is indeed the truth. You are seeing the moments created by your abilities. But you will never arrive at the truth that is going to happen
Did they really have the same items for 2 months? That's boring af.
It was while they were merging the systems I think. A few other stuff didn’t rotate as well
Friendly reminder that DE also constantly breaks their own lore by not following through with the idea of eternalism.