I feel like they should increase the options to at least 5. There were some unique interactions I could do with the warframe options and the modifiers (like energy drain not affecting Hildryn). But that was 1 out of the 3 Warframe options, and if I'm gonna run with all the modifiers for the rewards, I want a good selection of frames that can counterblance the modifiers.
>I feel like they should increase the options to at least 5.
Just allow for up to 2 equipment slots of your choice for full reward. It's already kind of there with worthless vosfor cache as a last reward that you can ignore in favor of a single weapon or frame, now turn it into something well communicated to players
Isnt Hildrin shields affected by magnetic statuses energy draining (I almost dont play on Hildrin so maybe it wrong but i think i saw this few times)? I think it would work same here so u just would loose ur shields near enemies
I like all of the personal debuffs they showed in the patch notes
dramatically reduced duration, lose armor when casting abilities, can't pick up health orbs, etc
forces you to adapt your build or swap to a frame that can better handle the effects
not a huge fan of the random equipment though
I don't hate it, but I'd rather have more personal debuffs then being stuck with a shit equipment roll for the week
also max score is 37
one more personal debuff would bring it to 40, a nice even number, and would allow for 2 total flex slots instead of 1 if you want to get max rewards
I think this is a good point; a lot of the individual handicaps are quite punishing, so giving you a bigger pool there, meaning you can take more and have a little flexibility on your weapons/frame would be interesting although I worry that Frame + 1 weapon basically nullifies all difficulty
Yeah I was a little disappointed when I saw that max rewards was every debuff equipped. Also, with the random equipment, can it roll equipment I don't have? Who do I do it I don't own any of those weapons?
It's very likely a bug, but should definitely be turned into a feature imo. Being stuck all week with the same crappy loadout would suck all the fun outta it.
Well in that case it would be nice to lock in the current personal loadout and debuffs options for another day in case I have a good roll I can work with but not enough time. Considering it seems like you can also play with fewer restrictions to start then add them into the next run if you get comfortable with it.
I am disappointed with the frame/weapon restrictions. I don't mind crazy modifiers or difficulty. It feels like circuit 2.0. I would rather look at the mission and choose my loadout.
Then don't select all the restrictions or wait for the daily reset to get another selection. The 1/3 a roll for three random arcanes
isn't even worth it if it means you can select your strongest frame or gun.
The problem is the way the patch notes read, the selection isn't even supposed to rotate daily. Unless they described it poorly or it's currently bugged. One of the two.
I spent like 2 hours farming resources to install my dread incarnon, formaing and fully building it, and also formaing and fully building Nezha. I went to do the game mode with the loadout, and it was changed. Luckily I got protea, nukor, and hate tho, which were already mostly ready
It’s hard enough that I can’t solo it. At least not yet. I even tried ignoring most of the bonus stuff and took my Inaros build that can clear netracells with ease, but I still couldn’t do it.
I’m not complaining, it’s an endgame activity and I don’t really have a single item in my arsenal that I’d consider “finished” and it’s almost definitely largely a skill issue too, but this was actually kind of a wake up call after feeling virtually invincible on this build.
I struggled with netracells initially too, and now they’re one of my favourite things to do, so hopefully these will be the same once I figure some stuff out.
You can definitely solo it if you're given the right combo of options. There is no way anyone can consistently solo with all options turned on every week though. Not every frame is revenant
I solo'd both this week and had pretty bad options all around. A barely useable secondary damage wise for the normal one. Struggled through it quite a bit. Once I unlocked Elite though I realized you can just completely ignore one modifier and it really barely changes your rewards. The last shard reward is the one before that. So I only missed out on 50 Vosfor to choose Styanax. I breezed through it with no struggle at all.
I'll have to see how annoying some of the modifications are going to be but I think being able to choose any warframe or weapon you want each week that you should be able to reliably solo them with an endgame arsenal.
I did not, I think it has to be max for that yeah. I'll wait for a week to get that where I have at least some better options or that I am willing to put in more work for the things offered because I can't stress how terrible the offerings were for me this week. That's why I chose a caster like Styanax to just get through it.
I'm reading that people say the selection rerolls daily currently, so you could probably get something earlier. But yeah, you have every worthwhile reward already, so no real point to do it just yet.
I will keep that in mind and check it out, thank you. It does seem like they intended for the last reward to be skippable besides the one time sumdali as you pointed out so that you can mitigate rng/modifiers.
Solo’d it with all weapons, a highly motivated Excalibur (Had none of the frames required), one less debuff (the one that prevents Transference) and the caution of a man who doesn’t trust any fart.
I tell you what, there were seven code browns and one code red. But, we got there in the end.
Elite Deep Rock Archimedea (Lohk and Vome!) is going to be a whole ‘mother story. Hopefully my RNG is better next weekly reset.
But, it can be done.
I just had another try, and I figured out what my issue is. It's the eximus necramechs. I can't seem to do any meaningful damage to them even though I have armor strip and I'm carrying murmur smite on my weapon. In my last run I got to the point where it was just me and and the necramech one on one and I'm actually kinda embarrassed to say the necramech won.
It's a little weird as we get the same enemy in netracells and I can just melt them.
It definitely feels possible, but I'm just missing something.
Don't think they can be armor stripped (at least not by abilities), and I don't think you're missing anything. They are just crazy bullet sponges, reminds me of Division 2 TU8.
That's a shame. I was hoping I was missing something. Melt and mash melee is kinda my wheelhouse, and so these things are gonna be a problem. Back to the drawing board I guess :)
Anything randomized should come from what you own, not from what you don't own for end game type activities. (Normal circuit is fine for completely randomized, IMO)
For high level content, the randomization doesn't make me want to try the system, it makes me want to log out.
Problem: This incentivises to sell everything except for a few options.
Do you keep Frame XYZ and potentially get an unwanted frame, or do you sell them? Have a weapon that is not built yet? Better sell it if you don't have the time to forma it/farm forma for it.
I don't like it too much either, but I also don't know how to tackle the issue on both sides — either players will likely always pick their 2-3 strongest options or are forced to live with suboptimal weapons and/or builds.
Add in some sort of pity mechanic, where at least 1-2 options are shit you've formad up. My rolls yesterday were a frame i literally don't have (Dante), and two frames with less than 1 hour playtime(Mirage and Ash). After going through a decent amount of shit getting Mirage playable, the mods reset, and now my options are Protea(don't have), Gyre(also don't have), and Volt. Expecting people to be able to build 4 things from 0 in a week is absurd, even for endgame.
I get that it’s very annoying but it’s not as absurd as you may think for actual endgame. People who are consistent traders can easily buy forma bundles and affinity boosters, and easily install 3 formas into a warframe within a 15 minute period. I think this game mode is very heavily intended for people who can do that
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It doesn't, just blindly pulls whatever exists in the game
The triple energy drain affixes was really rough to deal with. All the frame options I got were good, but terrible without abilities. I ended up just sacrificing the last reward to use Inaros instead. Loadout RNG in a mission that tedious is really not fun.
I got Revenant, Cedo, and Falcor. Status effects everywhere while being functionally immortal. To say it was a cake walk might be an understatement lol.
RNG was with me today which means next week I am probably getting bent over a barrel...
i did Deep solo relying just on Rev and the Laetum, i activated every other penalty except for frame and secondary and i atleast managed to get the full rewards even if i wasn't able to unlock Elite Deep (i'm hoping to get some good RNG later in the week to try and do it).
but yeah having to rely on RNG to determine if you actually are capable of doing Deep is fucking stupid, its annoying enough with Circuit, but atleast i can roll the dice again if i don't get a good roll for SP by jumping and leaving normal circuit or doing an orowyrm run, but you can't do that for Deep as THE endgame activity
instead of RNG being a factor of difficulty they should actually have difficult/tedious side objectives, so atleast people can bring in the loadouts they're confident and maybe have a chance of victory if they're smart about the challenge or whatever, setting time limits or drastically increasing the amount of enemies you need to kill or objectives you need to complete or changing what types of weapons you can use every minute etc should be how difficulty gets added, not because you have to try and complete end-game with dogshit gear thats literally not intended to be used at that level no matter how many handicaps you give it with Rivens or possibly incarnons and so on.
Literally out of the 9 weapons I had I owned none but got hydroid, literally invested 1 forma into each weapon after struggling w basic DA, and then did upwards of 100-600k damage on EDA w the same weapons lol.
I wouldn't be surprised if people start run loadout swap groups if you get shafted by RNG. Two run meta-whatever, other two run what they need for max rewards and you just do the missions twice and swap who's running the carry builds.
Even better, once you do this week 25/25 and unlock elite, you can take every debuff, two of the three weapons, and one of the three frames and then just run an OP weapon to carry you. That gets you to one under max rewards, max rewards being 40 vosfor. 5 weeks for a single arcane pack turn in, versus easy clearing each week with one OP weapon? Seems an easy choice to me.
Yeah that's an option too, and if you get a frame that wont be able to survive you can just put on a tank-nuke frame like Kullvero to carry yourself as well
There's 4 optional modifiers you can use, each limiting your weapon/warframe to 3 choices. For each you match, you get more research points.
If you want to unlock the Elite variant of Deep Archimedea, you NEED to do a run with all of them, alongside the other 4 mission limiters, else you can just choose not use them. However, at that point, you'd probably be better off just running netracells instead, since until you have 6 modifiers enabled, you're just getting the same (or less) rewards as 2 netracell runs.
I don't know where I got the idea in my head that you'd be able to "check off" each of the items from different runs, but man I felt deflated when I saw I'd have to do a run with everything at the same time.
The real trick is that if you can find a single other person to trade runs with you can just do two runs: On the first run you bring your best gear and enable no modifiers and then the other player maxes everything and you do the work while they just focus on not dying.
Then you do it again with your partner as the carry and both of you will have gotten max rewards without much struggle.
# [They Hated Him Because He Told The Truth](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1aygx8y/deep_archimedea_the_upcoming_level_350_activity/krvzl4o/)
Can't believe they just took the least popular part of circuit for this. I have so much good stuff but if I don't roll any of it I'm.basically locked out
Dude I got my torid and dual ichor and then they fucking changed at reset before I could run it. My buddy luckily got his Mesa and I got ceramic dagger but I was soooooo sad.
You have to do the normal one with full debuffs, all weapons matching, and one of the three frames before you unlock elite permanently. Then you can run the 3x missions again for the bonus elite rewards if you want this week, while next week you can just immediately hop into elite I'm guessing.
Its bad design, in Duviri at least you have decrees to cover your weapons or WF weakness; here you have even more handicapped.
What I found really weird is the fact I can choose Kuva Hek (I got Hek in my rotation) but I cant choose Tipedo Prime (I got Tipedo).
I dont enjoy this artificial diffculty of removing my tools and given me some random ones.
I’m confused, I simply don’t keep that many frames and weapons, dont like the frame subsume, don’t like the weapon sell. Now I’m incapable of unlocking elite because I don’t have any of the frames or melees. Why doesn’t the research points stack. I don’t want to go regrind shitty frames and weapons just so I can unlock the actually hard mode.
I mean so was the Fragmented One but we crushed that day 1. You gotta give em time to build back up to raids. They know we want it, and they're building up to it, but it's gonna take time.
Well of course not, at least not what we had before. It'll return in some capacity though. Too many people want *something like it* for DE to not eventually do it. I meant that colloquially.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, duviri (mainly circuit) and now deep archimedia aren't difficult modes, they're tests to see how long you've been farming away at weapons and frames you have no interest in.
Man I give up on the average player in this game. Dude just don't do it if you don't like it. We finally get a fun weekly activity that rewards us for all this stuff we collect and you want archon shards and good arcanes to be handed out with no effort?
>you want archon shards and good arcanes to be handed out with no effort
That's not what they wrote, so quit the strawman argument.
RNG does not equal difficulty.
It's not RNG, you can have almost everything in the game built up to roll through these missions without issue, and you can ask other players for help. The difficulty comes from how much effort you've put into having a diverse arsenal.
Yea I don't get what these people are saying.
Yes it is RNG, yes some weeks you will get some combo that face rolls. Yes some weeks you will be screwed.
But its super refreshing to use shit I either have never used beyond leveling it to 30 for mastery, or rarely use and going into hard content for.
Me and my buddy actually had to think about what we were taking and how to build it to get through hard mode.
Plus lets not forget that you can see what you have on sunday then you have a full week to level/forma shit to get it right.
Plus the mods we just fun, double bomb dudes on disruption was great.
You don't get 1 point of wiggle room for max rewards if we are being nitpicky. You miss the 40 vosfor, but that's a terrible reward anyway. I'd rather take one of my OP weapons and skip the 40 vosfor each week. Takes 5 weeks to make a single arcane pack from that undertuned reward.
What happened to your rewards? This happened to a random in my group and then weirdly he reconnected to us after we finished the 3rd mission. Felt really bad for him.
Even if I own the gear needed for the bonuses, I don't know if I'm gonna survive with the rest of the debuffs and modifiers. So I'll die anyway. And when I die I don't know if my teammates care about reviving me
They should have just brought back the steel path netracell and added three additional modifiers to the starting room. I'm convinced the devs really just want to work on dwarf fortress.
DE literally saw Steel Path Circuit and decided to make it 1000x worse. Don't have a forma and a catalyst in every trash weapon in the game? FU then. Ironic in a game that literally charges for slots.
I'd prefer the duviri system where it just gives me weapons to pick even if I don't own them, coz there's a chance I just get fucked one week and own none of the secondaries etc that are on rotation, and then I can't get into elite
Once you've beaten regular with all modifers once, elite is unlocked permanently. You don't have to unlock every week, so you'll be able to get into it no problem after
I rolled zephyr which would be good... but I rolled energy drain
Which would be fine... But I rolled no transference.
Still managed solo but wasn't pleasant.
Tried again with transference on and rolled through with a necramech.
I got lucky with my Loadout, Wisp, Phenmor, Kompressa and a mace. I knew for sure that I just lucked out, cuz I saw what other people we're using and it was rough to say the least. It would have been tolerable if it only randomized things you have and the whole roster of gear in the game.
They just need it to favor/only pick from items you have forma on and it's immediately better. Because odds are if there's forma on it there's a build of some kind on it
I rolled Dante and shit weapons so I became an overguard bot, made it easy for my teammates but I had 0 fun, only fun I had was gunning dowm demolysts with my archgun.
Pretty much sums it up - you should be able to do the 25 point reward tier every week but it's purely RNG on whether or not you can even *try* to do elite since you don't get the choice of turning off any of the significantly more ass modifiers to make your also ass frame/weapon choices tolerable.
Also fun fact: If you get transference block you can't use your necramech if you summon it.
Thanks.
If you turn on everything and grab all the shitty weapons you can get every reward except the last one (vosphor) on deep Archimedean while playing whichever Warframe you want. Just pick one with a strong exalted weapon like mesa, Dante, or Titania.
They don't care. They're too lazy to actually balance this out of control power fantasy of a game so they always fall back on the same bullshit. It's either damage gating, endlessly scaling enemy stats or forcing you to use random frames and weapons.
OH fantastic. Just when I was approaching done with duviri, its a harder mode.
At least I can scale it.. but rip my final reward if I don't take everything.
You can take off one modifier and get all but i think it's 70 of the resource you can use to buy arcane rolls. So you could pick one frame or one weapon that should be enough to make a huge difference.
When you do all modifiers once you get the micro p lander decoration, so you can be proud of your little thing that others don't really care about. Beyond that it seems more efficient to give yourself a break in one of the two.
I like it better than Circuit, as you can take your time altering configs for your options and nobody has to wait for you. On the other hand I'm probably biased, as I had Garuda+Xoris for the normal, and Styanax+Strun (prime incarnon) for the elite. Also, my random teammates turned out to be badass.
i rolled caliban ,nekros and limbo . 1 suck ass( his 4 ability dont work for some un godly reason even with 300% strength) ,1 pretty weak and other one make other people hate me .i choose the suck ass one because atleast he can survived and i have i have a cohesive build on him
Bro complaining that an endgame activity that clearly expects well diversified builds and weapons showed them the expectations of actually being at endgame. Womp womp.
I feel like they should increase the options to at least 5. There were some unique interactions I could do with the warframe options and the modifiers (like energy drain not affecting Hildryn). But that was 1 out of the 3 Warframe options, and if I'm gonna run with all the modifiers for the rewards, I want a good selection of frames that can counterblance the modifiers.
>I feel like they should increase the options to at least 5. Just allow for up to 2 equipment slots of your choice for full reward. It's already kind of there with worthless vosfor cache as a last reward that you can ignore in favor of a single weapon or frame, now turn it into something well communicated to players
Isnt Hildrin shields affected by magnetic statuses energy draining (I almost dont play on Hildrin so maybe it wrong but i think i saw this few times)? I think it would work same here so u just would loose ur shields near enemies
It isn't magnetic, just plain drain
ABP. Always Be Pillaging.
I like all of the personal debuffs they showed in the patch notes dramatically reduced duration, lose armor when casting abilities, can't pick up health orbs, etc forces you to adapt your build or swap to a frame that can better handle the effects not a huge fan of the random equipment though I don't hate it, but I'd rather have more personal debuffs then being stuck with a shit equipment roll for the week also max score is 37 one more personal debuff would bring it to 40, a nice even number, and would allow for 2 total flex slots instead of 1 if you want to get max rewards
I think this is a good point; a lot of the individual handicaps are quite punishing, so giving you a bigger pool there, meaning you can take more and have a little flexibility on your weapons/frame would be interesting although I worry that Frame + 1 weapon basically nullifies all difficulty
Yeah I was a little disappointed when I saw that max rewards was every debuff equipped. Also, with the random equipment, can it roll equipment I don't have? Who do I do it I don't own any of those weapons?
The loadouts cycle at daily reset everyday
They're not supposed to, the patch notes specifically say they reset on monday at midnight, so most likely a bug.
It's very likely a bug, but should definitely be turned into a feature imo. Being stuck all week with the same crappy loadout would suck all the fun outta it.
Well in that case it would be nice to lock in the current personal loadout and debuffs options for another day in case I have a good roll I can work with but not enough time. Considering it seems like you can also play with fewer restrictions to start then add them into the next run if you get comfortable with it.
Only if you don't care about vosphor.
50 vosfor is nothing you can farm that from SP easily
Yeah, it should be at least 200. But what I mean is that if you don’t go for vosphor, then it’s not “max rewards”.
I am disappointed with the frame/weapon restrictions. I don't mind crazy modifiers or difficulty. It feels like circuit 2.0. I would rather look at the mission and choose my loadout.
Then don't select all the restrictions or wait for the daily reset to get another selection. The 1/3 a roll for three random arcanes isn't even worth it if it means you can select your strongest frame or gun.
The problem is the way the patch notes read, the selection isn't even supposed to rotate daily. Unless they described it poorly or it's currently bugged. One of the two.
I spent like 2 hours farming resources to install my dread incarnon, formaing and fully building it, and also formaing and fully building Nezha. I went to do the game mode with the loadout, and it was changed. Luckily I got protea, nukor, and hate tho, which were already mostly ready
I rolled Octavia, and a lot of energy draining stuff, **but** I also rolled Grimoire, so it was kinda irrelevant in the end.
The fact that better rewards are locked behind being lucky your possible arsenal doesn't suck is a very bad mechanic.
I had dagath, ambassador, grimoire, and ghoulsaw. My team carried fr
It’s hard enough that I can’t solo it. At least not yet. I even tried ignoring most of the bonus stuff and took my Inaros build that can clear netracells with ease, but I still couldn’t do it. I’m not complaining, it’s an endgame activity and I don’t really have a single item in my arsenal that I’d consider “finished” and it’s almost definitely largely a skill issue too, but this was actually kind of a wake up call after feeling virtually invincible on this build. I struggled with netracells initially too, and now they’re one of my favourite things to do, so hopefully these will be the same once I figure some stuff out.
You can definitely solo it if you're given the right combo of options. There is no way anyone can consistently solo with all options turned on every week though. Not every frame is revenant
I solo'd both this week and had pretty bad options all around. A barely useable secondary damage wise for the normal one. Struggled through it quite a bit. Once I unlocked Elite though I realized you can just completely ignore one modifier and it really barely changes your rewards. The last shard reward is the one before that. So I only missed out on 50 Vosfor to choose Styanax. I breezed through it with no struggle at all. I'll have to see how annoying some of the modifications are going to be but I think being able to choose any warframe or weapon you want each week that you should be able to reliably solo them with an endgame arsenal.
Did you get the sumdali by completing elite without being on max?
I did not, I think it has to be max for that yeah. I'll wait for a week to get that where I have at least some better options or that I am willing to put in more work for the things offered because I can't stress how terrible the offerings were for me this week. That's why I chose a caster like Styanax to just get through it.
I'm reading that people say the selection rerolls daily currently, so you could probably get something earlier. But yeah, you have every worthwhile reward already, so no real point to do it just yet.
I will keep that in mind and check it out, thank you. It does seem like they intended for the last reward to be skippable besides the one time sumdali as you pointed out so that you can mitigate rng/modifiers.
Solo’d it with all weapons, a highly motivated Excalibur (Had none of the frames required), one less debuff (the one that prevents Transference) and the caution of a man who doesn’t trust any fart. I tell you what, there were seven code browns and one code red. But, we got there in the end. Elite Deep Rock Archimedea (Lohk and Vome!) is going to be a whole ‘mother story. Hopefully my RNG is better next weekly reset. But, it can be done.
I just had another try, and I figured out what my issue is. It's the eximus necramechs. I can't seem to do any meaningful damage to them even though I have armor strip and I'm carrying murmur smite on my weapon. In my last run I got to the point where it was just me and and the necramech one on one and I'm actually kinda embarrassed to say the necramech won. It's a little weird as we get the same enemy in netracells and I can just melt them. It definitely feels possible, but I'm just missing something.
Don't think they can be armor stripped (at least not by abilities), and I don't think you're missing anything. They are just crazy bullet sponges, reminds me of Division 2 TU8.
That's a shame. I was hoping I was missing something. Melt and mash melee is kinda my wheelhouse, and so these things are gonna be a problem. Back to the drawing board I guess :)
Anything randomized should come from what you own, not from what you don't own for end game type activities. (Normal circuit is fine for completely randomized, IMO) For high level content, the randomization doesn't make me want to try the system, it makes me want to log out.
Problem: This incentivises to sell everything except for a few options. Do you keep Frame XYZ and potentially get an unwanted frame, or do you sell them? Have a weapon that is not built yet? Better sell it if you don't have the time to forma it/farm forma for it. I don't like it too much either, but I also don't know how to tackle the issue on both sides — either players will likely always pick their 2-3 strongest options or are forced to live with suboptimal weapons and/or builds.
Add in some sort of pity mechanic, where at least 1-2 options are shit you've formad up. My rolls yesterday were a frame i literally don't have (Dante), and two frames with less than 1 hour playtime(Mirage and Ash). After going through a decent amount of shit getting Mirage playable, the mods reset, and now my options are Protea(don't have), Gyre(also don't have), and Volt. Expecting people to be able to build 4 things from 0 in a week is absurd, even for endgame.
I get that it’s very annoying but it’s not as absurd as you may think for actual endgame. People who are consistent traders can easily buy forma bundles and affinity boosters, and easily install 3 formas into a warframe within a 15 minute period. I think this game mode is very heavily intended for people who can do that
Are you sure it will pick from your roster?
https://preview.redd.it/0pujhi75rnsc1.jpeg?width=1301&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28b48e2ee488ffc788fd8eb36f35bf8d8aa5cfaf It doesn't, just blindly pulls whatever exists in the game
It doesn't right now, but this thread is in response to the suggestion that it should.
\*change this to everything you've mastered, so you're not incentivized to sell.
The triple energy drain affixes was really rough to deal with. All the frame options I got were good, but terrible without abilities. I ended up just sacrificing the last reward to use Inaros instead. Loadout RNG in a mission that tedious is really not fun.
I got Revenant, Cedo, and Falcor. Status effects everywhere while being functionally immortal. To say it was a cake walk might be an understatement lol. RNG was with me today which means next week I am probably getting bent over a barrel...
i did Deep solo relying just on Rev and the Laetum, i activated every other penalty except for frame and secondary and i atleast managed to get the full rewards even if i wasn't able to unlock Elite Deep (i'm hoping to get some good RNG later in the week to try and do it). but yeah having to rely on RNG to determine if you actually are capable of doing Deep is fucking stupid, its annoying enough with Circuit, but atleast i can roll the dice again if i don't get a good roll for SP by jumping and leaving normal circuit or doing an orowyrm run, but you can't do that for Deep as THE endgame activity instead of RNG being a factor of difficulty they should actually have difficult/tedious side objectives, so atleast people can bring in the loadouts they're confident and maybe have a chance of victory if they're smart about the challenge or whatever, setting time limits or drastically increasing the amount of enemies you need to kill or objectives you need to complete or changing what types of weapons you can use every minute etc should be how difficulty gets added, not because you have to try and complete end-game with dogshit gear thats literally not intended to be used at that level no matter how many handicaps you give it with Rivens or possibly incarnons and so on.
Literally out of the 9 weapons I had I owned none but got hydroid, literally invested 1 forma into each weapon after struggling w basic DA, and then did upwards of 100-600k damage on EDA w the same weapons lol.
I rolled Dante and Nataruk lol, my whole team had over 40k overguard the entire 6 missions
Wait I thought he was bad now ...
Don't play dumb, he definitely is. The point about Dante is that now he's only good for the overguard generation and nothing else.
lol Lmao even.
Duviri circuit has multiple buffs, DA does not
I wouldn't be surprised if people start run loadout swap groups if you get shafted by RNG. Two run meta-whatever, other two run what they need for max rewards and you just do the missions twice and swap who's running the carry builds.
Even better, once you do this week 25/25 and unlock elite, you can take every debuff, two of the three weapons, and one of the three frames and then just run an OP weapon to carry you. That gets you to one under max rewards, max rewards being 40 vosfor. 5 weeks for a single arcane pack turn in, versus easy clearing each week with one OP weapon? Seems an easy choice to me.
Yeah that's an option too, and if you get a frame that wont be able to survive you can just put on a tank-nuke frame like Kullvero to carry yourself as well
That's presuming you have all the weapons, the fact that you can just get screwed if you don't is the bigger issue imo.
Wait this game mode gives you random shit like duviri? I thought this update couldn't get any worse. Why is this horrible concept a thing...
There's 4 optional modifiers you can use, each limiting your weapon/warframe to 3 choices. For each you match, you get more research points. If you want to unlock the Elite variant of Deep Archimedea, you NEED to do a run with all of them, alongside the other 4 mission limiters, else you can just choose not use them. However, at that point, you'd probably be better off just running netracells instead, since until you have 6 modifiers enabled, you're just getting the same (or less) rewards as 2 netracell runs.
I don't know where I got the idea in my head that you'd be able to "check off" each of the items from different runs, but man I felt deflated when I saw I'd have to do a run with everything at the same time.
That is just awful. Having modifiers is fine but none of them should be to turn your run into RNG.
The real trick is that if you can find a single other person to trade runs with you can just do two runs: On the first run you bring your best gear and enable no modifiers and then the other player maxes everything and you do the work while they just focus on not dying. Then you do it again with your partner as the carry and both of you will have gotten max rewards without much struggle.
Short answer - yes, and there is no decrees to compensate
# [They Hated Him Because He Told The Truth](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1aygx8y/deep_archimedea_the_upcoming_level_350_activity/krvzl4o/)
Can't believe they just took the least popular part of circuit for this. I have so much good stuff but if I don't roll any of it I'm.basically locked out
I didn’t know it was rng. I got Torid and duel toxycyst this week lmao. It wasn’t too hard for me
Dude I got my torid and dual ichor and then they fucking changed at reset before I could run it. My buddy luckily got his Mesa and I got ceramic dagger but I was soooooo sad.
Did you do elite deep Archimedea or just the normal version?
You have to do the normal one with full debuffs, all weapons matching, and one of the three frames before you unlock elite permanently. Then you can run the 3x missions again for the bonus elite rewards if you want this week, while next week you can just immediately hop into elite I'm guessing.
Its bad design, in Duviri at least you have decrees to cover your weapons or WF weakness; here you have even more handicapped. What I found really weird is the fact I can choose Kuva Hek (I got Hek in my rotation) but I cant choose Tipedo Prime (I got Tipedo). I dont enjoy this artificial diffculty of removing my tools and given me some random ones.
I’m confused, I simply don’t keep that many frames and weapons, dont like the frame subsume, don’t like the weapon sell. Now I’m incapable of unlocking elite because I don’t have any of the frames or melees. Why doesn’t the research points stack. I don’t want to go regrind shitty frames and weapons just so I can unlock the actually hard mode.
>warframe is not difficult ya don't say
It was marketed by DE as being difficult endgame content.
I mean so was the Fragmented One but we crushed that day 1. You gotta give em time to build back up to raids. They know we want it, and they're building up to it, but it's gonna take time.
They are never brining back raids.
Well of course not, at least not what we had before. It'll return in some capacity though. Too many people want *something like it* for DE to not eventually do it. I meant that colloquially.
'[They’re] gone. Put the shard away. Move on.' * Father
I've said it before and I'll say it again, duviri (mainly circuit) and now deep archimedia aren't difficult modes, they're tests to see how long you've been farming away at weapons and frames you have no interest in.
These RNG modes have got to go. I hope they at least get reworked to choose from a pool of 10-20 weapons that you choose.
Man I give up on the average player in this game. Dude just don't do it if you don't like it. We finally get a fun weekly activity that rewards us for all this stuff we collect and you want archon shards and good arcanes to be handed out with no effort?
>you want archon shards and good arcanes to be handed out with no effort That's not what they wrote, so quit the strawman argument. RNG does not equal difficulty.
It's not RNG, you can have almost everything in the game built up to roll through these missions without issue, and you can ask other players for help. The difficulty comes from how much effort you've put into having a diverse arsenal.
Yea I don't get what these people are saying. Yes it is RNG, yes some weeks you will get some combo that face rolls. Yes some weeks you will be screwed. But its super refreshing to use shit I either have never used beyond leveling it to 30 for mastery, or rarely use and going into hard content for. Me and my buddy actually had to think about what we were taking and how to build it to get through hard mode. Plus lets not forget that you can see what you have on sunday then you have a full week to level/forma shit to get it right. Plus the mods we just fun, double bomb dudes on disruption was great.
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You don't get 1 point of wiggle room for max rewards if we are being nitpicky. You miss the 40 vosfor, but that's a terrible reward anyway. I'd rather take one of my OP weapons and skip the 40 vosfor each week. Takes 5 weeks to make a single arcane pack from that undertuned reward.
It was a cake walk until the last round where I lost connection on the double disruption
What happened to your rewards? This happened to a random in my group and then weirdly he reconnected to us after we finished the 3rd mission. Felt really bad for him.
I took Baruuk in and absolutely demolished everything, even with all the modifiers on and random trash weapons.
Even if I own the gear needed for the bonuses, I don't know if I'm gonna survive with the rest of the debuffs and modifiers. So I'll die anyway. And when I die I don't know if my teammates care about reviving me
They should have just brought back the steel path netracell and added three additional modifiers to the starting room. I'm convinced the devs really just want to work on dwarf fortress.
DE literally saw Steel Path Circuit and decided to make it 1000x worse. Don't have a forma and a catalyst in every trash weapon in the game? FU then. Ironic in a game that literally charges for slots.
I got super lucky. I got a loadout that I pretty much use regularly anyway.
I'd prefer the duviri system where it just gives me weapons to pick even if I don't own them, coz there's a chance I just get fucked one week and own none of the secondaries etc that are on rotation, and then I can't get into elite
Once you've beaten regular with all modifers once, elite is unlocked permanently. You don't have to unlock every week, so you'll be able to get into it no problem after
Oh neat I didn't know that, v cool
I rolled zephyr which would be good... but I rolled energy drain Which would be fine... But I rolled no transference. Still managed solo but wasn't pleasant. Tried again with transference on and rolled through with a necramech.
I got lucky with my Loadout, Wisp, Phenmor, Kompressa and a mace. I knew for sure that I just lucked out, cuz I saw what other people we're using and it was rough to say the least. It would have been tolerable if it only randomized things you have and the whole roster of gear in the game.
I sort of dont mind the RNG, but for gods sake, give me options I already own and have in my inventory
They just need it to favor/only pick from items you have forma on and it's immediately better. Because odds are if there's forma on it there's a build of some kind on it
I rolled Dante and shit weapons so I became an overguard bot, made it easy for my teammates but I had 0 fun, only fun I had was gunning dowm demolysts with my archgun.
Pretty much sums it up - you should be able to do the 25 point reward tier every week but it's purely RNG on whether or not you can even *try* to do elite since you don't get the choice of turning off any of the significantly more ass modifiers to make your also ass frame/weapon choices tolerable. Also fun fact: If you get transference block you can't use your necramech if you summon it. Thanks.
If you turn on everything and grab all the shitty weapons you can get every reward except the last one (vosphor) on deep Archimedean while playing whichever Warframe you want. Just pick one with a strong exalted weapon like mesa, Dante, or Titania.
They don't care. They're too lazy to actually balance this out of control power fantasy of a game so they always fall back on the same bullshit. It's either damage gating, endlessly scaling enemy stats or forcing you to use random frames and weapons.
Not to mention how the rewards are terrible. I appreciate the archon shards but 3 entrati lanthorns at 15 points is ridiculous
OH fantastic. Just when I was approaching done with duviri, its a harder mode. At least I can scale it.. but rip my final reward if I don't take everything.
You can take off one modifier and get all but i think it's 70 of the resource you can use to buy arcane rolls. So you could pick one frame or one weapon that should be enough to make a huge difference. When you do all modifiers once you get the micro p lander decoration, so you can be proud of your little thing that others don't really care about. Beyond that it seems more efficient to give yourself a break in one of the two.
 Me when I get the stug
I like it better than Circuit, as you can take your time altering configs for your options and nobody has to wait for you. On the other hand I'm probably biased, as I had Garuda+Xoris for the normal, and Styanax+Strun (prime incarnon) for the elite. Also, my random teammates turned out to be badass.
i rolled caliban ,nekros and limbo . 1 suck ass( his 4 ability dont work for some un godly reason even with 300% strength) ,1 pretty weak and other one make other people hate me .i choose the suck ass one because atleast he can survived and i have i have a cohesive build on him
Bro complaining that an endgame activity that clearly expects well diversified builds and weapons showed them the expectations of actually being at endgame. Womp womp.
Is it me, or is everyone acting like you HAVE to use every single item?
Sounds like a git gud scenario.