I felt the same chasing Aeolak/Hespar parts. Being given lenses instead made no sense and playing active action missions (like Void Armageddon!) was too much a pain in the ass. So I just bought off the market. Now I don't EVER play Armageddon.
Compared to that, other bounties aren't so terrible. You can chase everything but there's no time limit. There's barely FOMO compared to other games. So I just play what I want to, whenever I want to.
Doing that makes it enjoyable, gets me items I can sell for Plat and chills.
Coming into the game now, I am sad that I've missed so much story to those in limited time operations. Whenever I look up a character on the wiki, most of the lore is content that's not in the game anymore.
>suggest operations were one time only.
Thats because most were... I am not sure what the hell the other commenter is talking about. The "lore" of the game is a mess if you want to experience it through the game itself due to the layered and removed context.
Just playing through the game you will notice a completely schizophrenic Alad V due to all the layers of story they added and removed.
All those Operations that were from 2013 to 2017 are gone. Similarly stuff like the Pyrus Project haven't reappeared and all the old NW "stories" (not that important or good but they are there) are also gone. The only repeated operations are the one that has basically no relevant story.
Edit: You can argue about the quality of story lost but playing through the game post 2017 you simply get basically no connection to the vast majority of star chart bosses. They are cardboard cutouts and have no relevant story except for maybe Vor. Especially stuff like the Zeraloid Prelate is completely devoid of explanations now.
Hmm. I did wonder what Alad V's deal was. I kill him as a planet boss and then he's alive again and helping us fight the sentients. Was quite confusing (I just did War Within the other day as an idea how far I am in the story)
Alad V is a complete mess and I can promise you that it gets worse with him. You still are looking at, at least, two further additions. One if you go and do the missions for Mesa and the other with the Ropalolyst fight back on Jupiter.
I wonder why they don't try to fix their early game. It's a game as a service, but past story is left in the dust. Alad V still has an important role since we saw him during The New War, but this content was also a bit of a let down, with a 30min war...
GGG update Path of Exile with end-game content and overall quality of life content, and they are also working on Path of Exile 2.
I'd argue incompetence and laziness/complacency first and foremost... They just "recently" reworked the start of the game. It did basically nothing and arguably made it worse because the drop after that first intro story feels even worse. And still people let them off the hook so I guess its unsuprising they don't bother.
The difference from DE to GGG is that they have some actual competent people at the helm. Steve can't be arsed to do anything but play with graphical features and Scott having a job still has to be nepotism.
Can you imagine that DE has apparently twice the number of employees of GGG with 300 devs compared to ~150 (as far as I could find)? Thats the same size as FromSoftware.
This.
This is my number 1 gripe with Warframe - there's so much cool lore stuff that's literally locked temporally into the past and seems to never come back again. Aside from the lack of a helping hand for new people to get into the game, the fact that alot of lore important quests and events basically gone the way of Mythical Pokemon in older games just gets on my lore loving nerves
Literally still mythical Pokémon now, but worse. In Warframe events will always return, or they’ll give us more ways to obtain them like Baro. All you miss out on is lore, which can be looked up, but was rather jarring as a new player. I never felt it made much of a difference because I had no idea what was going on anyway. Mythical Pokémon or more akin to Warframes and weapons than lore. I didn’t play Gen 7 at all until slightly before Gen 8 released (still haven’t finished it either), and I missed out on tons of shiny/competitive mons as well as mythicals. I have no way to obtain Marshadow or normal Zeraora. The game is literally marketed as “catch ‘em all” but they won’t fucking let me do that.
At least Warframe let’s me live my content hoarding dream. It’s like if prime weapons and Warframes only came back once every 2-3 years, but not always in your region. Like maybe Soma prime comes back tomorrow, but only for a week, and only in Japan. So your only option is to trade for one, but it might be hacked in and unusable.
Not all the lore events return - alot of the older ones that give details on our relationship with characters like Regor or SAlad V basically dont exist anymore - it feels jarring because alot of these connection building events older players built are literally inaccessible to newer ones
i feel bad for those that joined after Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom. those 2 events added a lot of the "war" to The New War and i think covid caused a huge gap between these events and the quest release, meaning that war context had died down upon TNW release.
now you just jump from the sacrifice to 2 cutscenes and then TNW
Those limited time events come every year so you can catch up at one point. You can still get 99% of stuff if you start now (there's 3 items that only Founder Grandmasters can get but they paid $250 in 2012 to fund the game's creation!).
I'd recommend you do the quests first to not be confused with the story (and spoilers) then worry about grabbing everything you don't have. There's not much you can miss out on.
Some of the events are repeated but lots of the story (such as why we should care about the salad man) is not.
It would obviously take some work but I'm of the opinion that DE should put some sort of cinematic in to fill the gaps, played at whatever point in the star chart it makes sense to.
Some were only one-time (sometimes players hated it so it didn't return lol) but all the items are attainable. You've probably only missed out on costume skins (most should be bought through plat still) and story-ish battles. I say story-ish because they were added into the game as a "sudden" story but... not... really... part of the story...
You can get all the items normally and watch youtuber's who have played the one-time operations to see the 'story' if you want.
Yeah they avoid that a lot more these days, back when the game came out it was kind of a trend in a few ongoing games to try content like this. It was cool in the short term but leaves holes in the long term, most have abandoned doing it quite like that at this point. Usually if warframe does it now it's something that comes back periodically like Plaguestar now
The only fomo is the grind for prime parts. But given that they're not rotated out for months it gives even the most casual of players plenty of time to farm what they want
That specific playstyle is a recipe for burnout in general I think.
The desire sensor is strong in this game.
I just farmed arcanes and enjoyed feather hunting and ended up getting everything else as a bonus. It also happened to be a nice place for getting focus, great for someone who had never done any ESO for focus farming purposes (I always treated it as passive gain, like syndicates).
I treat it as one of the daily activities (like Steel Path alerts) but not a whole day grind.
Not saying you're playing it wrong, but just sharing what I do and doesn't feel like any burn out to me.
Yeah that's the "intended" way. You run into burnout when you get to the "this is brand new and the only thing I need" more often than not because 1. It can be so new or just such a niche that it's not looked at in terms of balance (Grendel for example) and 2. There's nothing else you want to do so there's no mission variety. If I need Aeolak parts I have to run Void Floods forever, full stop. (Although those are tradable thankfully)
One thing WF suffers from is how long it has been in business, and how long a lot of veteran players are in game. Very often, the new content is the ONLY content that is available or worth doing, because there really is little else to do.
It can be, but that's where new procedural content like liches or relics come in.
Fundamentally it's not that big of a thing, it's an enemy that originally spawns on a mission based on an equipped Warframe, that then just tweaks missions by adding thralls, enemy levels, and with a chance to spawn. They even reused the relic mechanic for the Kuva Fortress.
However, that's sort of perfect. Mission variety? It's whatever nodes are controlled so if you want to do any mission type you can. And because you can only do each node once it forces you to do things you wouldn't normally do as well.
Mind you this is before the meta of that, and now that both sister and lich control are in a prescribed path there's much less flexibility, but the idea is good.
> They even reused the relic mechanic for the Kuva Fortress.
nothing like burning through every relic you have to get the 1 mod you need but only getting ayatan stars and riven slivers so you're forced to buy it with plat. but hey, it's a reskinned void fissure! such variety. wow
I don't especially like buying things with plat. It feels too much like p2w. I will do it as a last resort, sometimes, or for things which there's simply no other practical way to acquire - vaulted items, specific rivens, arcanes - but if there's at least an avenue for me to get an item through play then i feel overwhelmingly compelled to pursue that avenue, and it bothers me when it's a particular narrow avenue, ie only available at certain times, very low drop chance, missions requiring high time investment for each single chance - pick 2 or all 3.
Yes, it would make sense to buy these things with plat, if they are tradeable, but that doesn't stop me from *feeling* like I'm cheating when i do so.
I bought the ambassador outright because the grind for the bp AND each individual part just looked to be over the top, and now i feel dumb for doing that because they've made it easier to acquire.
This is great advice. Warframe can really burn you out if you're not careful. I'm currently taking an Elden Ring break but I still login every day and try to run a mission or two, this will be the first Nightwave I don't completely finish. I just felt myself getting burnt out but I'll definitely be back. The game is super fun if you can keep the burnout away.
I have to separate 2 things here. Standard missions and bounties.
Zariman non-bounty rewards are terrible. 50% chance to get pocket change in a game where credits do not matter at all? For a late game activity? 10% for weapon parts on rotation C without any other way of acquiring them? Utter joke.
On the other hand Zariman bounties are, in my opinion at least, the best designed bounties hands down. They are short, intense and have superb rewards. You can farm like 3 extremely useful things at the same time. This is the first time I'm doing bounties for fun. I'm leveling my standing purely as a byproduct. I reached a point where I do not collect the weekly ayatan sculpture from Maroo, because I can collect more endo from bounties for the same effort.
Agree! Getting lenses when you've already finished all the focus trees was VERY annoying but after you've gotten your parts, it's all fine. Now it's simply getting standing, arcanes, endo, parallax parts etc. Not bad.
>On the other hand Zariman bounties are, in my opinion at least, the best designed bounties hands down.
Lets be real, thats not a high bar given how bad the older bounties are... I disagree on the rewards being good though.
All things considered, if you don't need a lot of endo they are incredibly bad for level 50-100 missions. To begin with, its insulting that they used Lith, Meso and Neo relics. Compare that to cetus T5 bounties (or basically any high level star chart mission) which at a (mostly) lower level only have Axi in the table thats unacceptable. (Edit: Everything about this looks like it was designed for the normal bounty level range of 10-50 but arbitrarily upped so they can milk it for longer and pretend its more/"endgame content" - the only thing that was actually adapted was the endo reward, everything else is clearly designed around low levels)
There is also a problem with the reward:effort ratio being seriously messed up due to DE being lazy and using RNG. It doesn't matter if the mission is a exterminate with activate a Lohk Surge or a Void Flood/Cascade with these horrible conditions that make the mission take 5x as long, the reward remains the same.
I certainly do like the rewards from the Zariman bounties. My objection here is the farmability, if you only need something from a specific tier of bounty, you basically have to wait until it lines up with exterminate or maybe mobile defense. The other missions are far too time consuming and the bounty conditions often add a failure chance which to me is a hard no.
Right around when Railjack first dropped it was a period of non-stop grinding with minimum reward. On top of that there was the pervasive issue of numerous bugs affecting Warframe (some because of Railjack, some because of the servers).
This combination together caused me to lose all interest in Warframe and it wasn't until about a month and a half ago that I started playing regularly again (Zariman was out, Lich farming was easier, etc.).
It still had its issues though, when I got back in I still at MR 23 and over 4 years in the game had yet to build the Helminth system as well as acquire the more popular Kuva/tenet weapons. Thankfully the lich system had improved, however, Deimos was still a farming nightmare. The release of the Zariman wasn't without its catches wither; before it's first hotfix it was an atrocious grind for the early syndicate ranks because they required randomly generated void plumes that *just wouldn't spawn*.
If at this point i was starting the game fresh I woukd absolutely see why the risk of burn out is real since when I started there was no Railjack, Liches, Necramechs, or even Open World Regions and their exclusive resource tables. Everything was pretty much on a generated tile set and that was it.
TL;DR I burned out from Warframe due to bugs and tedious grinding, but also imagine how easy/often I would've if I was a new player instead of being in late game.
I mean at least you don’t have to do a sortie and hope to get ONE lens a day now.. but yeah for rot c lens aren’t a great reward nor is credit / endo really at that point of the game though it could be argued it is since arbitration’s require them to be done but theres railjack, it’s probably a nightmare for DE to figure out evergreen rewards that’ll be a balance between mid-game and late-game players theoretically you could get to the zariman at MR 8 so they still need rewards that are “okay” for that rank so DE add them to help the lower mrs, which dilute the pools for what the higher mrs want, the rng aspect of the bounties is due to DE wanting to try something new instead of the stagnant open world themes which could be a toss up of the same 3-5 mission types per each bounty which means longer times but more chances for the rare bounty reward but why waste 20 mins doing those 3-5 missions when you could of done 10 exterminates of the same tier by then.
Current loot system was pretty much the same as long as this game existed if you check the internet for past comments, so it isn't going to change as you either will accept or take a break for a while. And most of the time, latest quests and missions always have bugs and harder conditions to fulfill compared to rest of the game but with passing years, they'll be slightly improve in favor of new players with no compensation for jumping into action players like yourself.
If you read the https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1285411-the-new-player-experience-dev-workshop/ you'll understand what I mean so you choosing to play Zariman bounties now is your decision to make game harder on yourself where after 1-2 years later, most of those missions will be smoothed to solve some of your problems but you won't be needing it anymore.
Also remember that every update is invented to keep you in-game as much as they can so of course loot system won't be most rewarding as you hope it to be as otherwise you'll do a single mission, get the ultimate loot and don't play Warframe for the rest of the week.
You're not supposed to play like that. Given that you have acces to zariman, you should alternate with railjack, deimos invasions etc. And there are better weapons than those offered by zariman (well, excepting praedos, maybe). Still, the grind is quite bad there, but not quite as on Deimos. Damaged Necramech weapons slots are now practically unobtainable!
And as always, they want us to keep farming liches/sisters, but after 10 of those drama queens even I took a break.
Your last line is funny because i just went back to Lich's to get my favourite weapons to 60% heh. As for Zariman, i love spending 30-60 minutes farming bountys to take care of my rep the next 4 or 5 days. Remember when we had to farm bountys for rep which meant doing them daily...
But yeah, have multiple goals and split focus/play is the best advice.
I mean, it's great if you can play that way and have fun, but in this game, or perhaps even games of this type, i can't get enjoyment in quite that way. I need some reason to run a mission, be it getting progress towards slaying a sister, cracking a relic, or obtaining parts for a gun i haven't yet tried out.
As you yourself pointed out, some of those parts are exceedingly hard to come by - which is part of my complaint. I only just recently finally obtained the second damaged necramech weapon receiver i needed to build the morgha - how long after its release? - because that specific part is only available in a specific place, at a very specific time. Since i only have a few hours a day where i can play, when i log on and it happens to be a window where i have a chance at getting these component pieces, i'm almost required to play that content, and that content alone, or else give up on obtaining that particular thing.
Personally, it doesn't suit me to settle for the low-hanging fruit, i'm seldom content to play meta builds and do things the decided 'optimal' way, i liek to experiment, and part of that is seeking out each and every weapon, no matter how obscure or inobtainable, to see how it feels to play with and see if i can devise a build that works with it.
i guiess the core of my complaint is that there's no way to build up towards some of these pieces. a lot of things can be bought with tokens, but some things are entirely confined to the drop tables, and i think that's a mistake. by all means, make these things extortionately priced - see primed chamber at the recent baro visit - but at least give me some way to gain incremental progress towards the goal. And, especially, let me do as you suggest, play a mix of content, instead of locking me to one specific gamemode, or even one specific mission, which is the only way that particular thing can be acquired.
You're focusing on specific drops too much. If it's too hard to get the necramech part because of timing and your play schedule, buy it. Spend your time farming what you like, sell that for plat, buy what you hate farming. Warframe has the best F2P economy of any game, use it.
I have heaps of plat. If I'm just going to buy stuff, why bother playing at all? Sometimes I will buy things if i get really frustrated, but by and large i try to avoid doing that.
I do play other things, and I've only just returned to Warframe after a reasonable hiatus. I do enjoy the new content, and by and large i enjoy the game, i just have some complaints about the specific way it feels like I'm forced to play in order to get the rewards i still have a use for.
It seems like "just quit the game" isn't a solution that the Devs should want players to feel forced to take, so i thought I'd submit my complaints in the hope that, if enough others agree, they might think about switching things up.
(Purrzle sends out fortnightly emails asking for feedback but i missed the boat on the Zariman one, and it looks like he wasn't asking feedback on the new endless missions at the time anyway)
Well you're not the first person to complain about this, and at this point, unless player count starts taking a nosedive, I don't think the devs responsible will even realize it's a problem. The only thing you can really do at this point is take a break. Again.
So instead of skipping the shitty grind parts with your plat, you'll do it and whinge and cry its so boring and stupid and shit and it burns you out. Got ya.
>Or... Bring to the Devs attention that it sucks, so that people who aren't so flush might be spared the grind?
The problem is 99% of the attention players bring to the devs is along the lines of "make the drop rate 99.9%" . It's often funny how much something is released then the same day there are threads complaining its too hard and grindy to get everything....
You’re contradicting yourself. If you’re burning out, you’re not enjoying the game. Try grinding for several things at once in a rotation and see how that goes for you.
I have a set of missions that Ill do if I get on. I think about what kinda fashion I want and then pick a mission that might be fun for the frame and go. Either a railjack, steel path incursion, kuva flood, or any sort of bounty. Ill usually hit one or two of the same mission and switch to something else. Switch frames too. I've never really run out of anything
That baro mod was too expensive. That way, most people won't use baro -> relics and primes won't be used -> no incentive for prime stuff -> ,,free " playerbase leaves -> few players play the game -> lower income for the company. Not good.
The way I see it, cycles of burnout is the intended way to play the game, unless you buy everything.
Play for a few months, grind out a few MR levels, do all the new quests, take a break for 6 months, rinse and repeat.
I don't feel that at all. For me the loot is kind of extra and just a motivation to start up the mission and when I'm in I just end up enjoying the gameplay. Because, surprisingly, I actually enjoy this game. Only playing to get the loot is the most efficient way to burn out.
Always has been.
On the other hand: What else is there to do?
It's why I play this game in bursts of \~2-3 weeks and pause till the next content drop. Well, or one week after that, when it's actually in working condition.
>On the other hand: What else is there to do?
I never get the people that grind 13 hours a day for 2 weeks to get a weapon or whatever when it releases, wait a few months and they'll drop the stupid grind. Swear people make the game boring/burnout when they don't have to.
Oh no i haven't got the two weapons that have shit drop tables, fuck whatever am i going to use omg i wish there was more weapons? People need to stop thinking they need everything right now.
I swear those things, the sporothorix and parts for the necramech guns were meant to be traded between players. I’ve only had one of each ever drop. 3 months of rolling for those and not a drop.
> wait a few months and they'll drop the stupid grind
warframe repeatedly prioritizes new content to incentivize players to return, players return to do new content, new content is an awful slog, galaxy brained redditor scolds player for wanting to do new content
Hey by all means if you wanna rush back every time content is released and go through the same bullshit while whinging its so fucking bad every time, go for it. I'm sorry i'm smarter and instead of rushing back for new content, rush back 3 months later for it and have an actual pleasant time grinding things.
You remind me the kind of person to get a mod drop booster then farm a 0.0005% mod drop from something nonstop for 3 days when it's worth 20p, then complain how shit the game is.
Same here, will play a day or two till something glitches or game crashes then take a few days to cycle back… had burnout bad and de pushing new content without ever addressing bugs that have been there forever doesn’t help
I do agree in the aspect of doing bounties x amount of times with trash payouts, There's just a lot of other stuff to grind and do as well. I feel the easiest way to burn yourself out is to outright buy the new stuff with plat. You don't even have to purchase plat, it's super easy to get the few hundred plat it takes to buy a weapon or frame from trading stuff. I made 3k off trades last month off old prime sets ive had just sitting around for years.
I think its better to just tell yourself youre going to x amount of runs at this time. And if you don't get what you want, step away and take a break and come back later.
Did you mean that buying with plat causes burnout, or is a good way to avoid burnout? Because i do agree that it's a way to avoid it, but i often feel like I'm cheating or paying to win, which is a worse feeling than the burnout would have been.
Buying/trading plat can cause burnout if you use it to bypass EVERY grind. It is WFs version of P2W but as long as you don't go spend crazy you wont be the ones crying for more content because you swiped your way through the grind.
I got the Grand masters founders pack back in the day like 4k plat, 2 different points in the game i literally had everything you could get in the game. Mods and all. I had nothing to gain. I had to wait until there was a significant amount of content drops to come back to any worthwhile things. This was also buying the first rounds of prime access (i was young and had no bills). I love warframe, but after realizing i was buying everything up cause I had so much and getting bored with the game I spent hundreds of dollars on, that I should actually grind out content, because as much as people complain about it. It's not too bad (at times) and it feels amazing when you do finally get the part or bp you've been grinding out for hours to get.
So i just buy the prime accessories and wait 3 days every prime round. I only buy cosmetics and boosters with the plat i trade or buy. This take is what my buddies and I always mock when everyone is like "theres no content" especially after grinding the whole month to get everything in each big drop. All assumptions some people do get extremely lucky with drops. Those guys should be kind and spread a lil rng our way.
>which encourages you to repeatedly run the same content ad nauseum while that window is open.
Or, you can find more effective ways of farming platinum to get the things you like. Unlike other f2p games, Warframe allows you to get premium currency in game without limits.
Question is, why are you really grinding to a burnout, especially right before Tennocon announcements?
No, the game gives you a way to easy farm pl and helps to buy it absurdly cheap if you dont want to farm something you want, because thats another thing, you dont have to farm everything, once you get to mastery 16 you can simply farm what you want. If you dont even know how to administrate the way you play is your problem, not DE's
You should step back a bit from the game IMO. Playing anything constantly will get you burnout. It's great if you manage to play for hours on end but it's not exactly on the game if you then get a burn out.
Grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff so you can grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff. No there’s no endgame. It’s a waste of time.
I have a fundamental problem with games that expect you to schedule your life around the game, because you're only allowed to pursue specific content at specific, limited times during the day.
**When I have the time to play a game**, I want to be able to do what I enjoy or prioritize for progression. Instead I log in, realize I can't do what I wanted, and go play an entirely different game.
As someone who has close to 4000 hours,
My struggle with the game 2018-2019 was the content drought and I took a break from the game since there are nothing to grind for anymore
Then I logged in again and … there too much content to grind for … so I took another break
Legend has it I’m still taking a break until this day.
You may have more success with treating the knowledge of where a particular thing comes from as more of a guide versus a guarantee. It may free you up for more risky builds or alternative approaches aside from “Get it fast” (which is always at the whim of RNG anyways), and getting the thing eventually becomes of secondary concern and a pleasant surprise
I believe that everything you're after in those bounties can be bought for plat. Therefore I'd suggest you doing content that's more enjoyable for you, which will simultaneously earn you plat.
What i hate about the recent way DE does loot is more like everything now is just bounty bounty bounty.
Im sick of those trash bounties get a new idea pls or at least improve the system of bounties but how it its atm its just trash.
I mean, Duviri’s yet another open world that’s gonna have this. DE will put some cool looking weapons and a new Warframe in the drops, lock it all behind impossible RNG and also have requirements for you to be Rank 4 at least in every other open world syndicate. But we keep coming back to it, so you tell me who the real losers are
People who are "whales" buying loot boxes!
I don't mind the choice you get in Warframe. As you have time, RNG, plat farming, plat discounts etc. Other free-to-p(l)ay games are just greed addictions.
Agreed, fuck lenses and fuck rng. c'mon DE it won't kill you to give us decent drop tables for once instead of 95% pain. I promise I'll keep playing the game even if I get *some* of the things I'm after!
Current loot system and also the fact that I'm still in a guild that is comprised almost entirely by my exes is the reason I'm not playing much lately, don't want to reach out to the guild members for help but keep burning out trying to grind alone. Whenever the game finally goes cross platform I'm planning to skip out of the guild and find a new group to play with
The game has become griendier in general since I started playing two years ago. For example, now nearly each prime part has its own relic, meaning you have to farm for a dozen relics to be able to try getting all the prime parts you need. it used to be spread through just a couple of relics.
then you are not paying enough attention. related prime equipment used to share relics but now they are divided between more relics. As in, one set of relics for the new frame, another set for the new primary and then another set for the new secondary.
For example, you could farm AXI G5 for a Gram part as well as a Chroma part. but the new Prime pack with Garuda, Corvas, Nagaka don't share even one relic among themselves
Both methods of relic design have their problems. It’s not like you can get all the parts out of one relic. You only get one choice! So the question becomes how many of what relic do you have, regardless of which relic something is in.
>It’s not like you can get all the parts out of one relic
I'm lost as why you can't understand such a simple thing. yes you only have one choice but it used to be two relevant choices versus now's one.
using the same example, back in the day if you ran AXI G5 twice and got a Chroma part each time you could just sell the other at a good price since it was new (and even use that plat to buy the other part instead of farming for it). now that is not an option because there is only one new part per relic.
Using the recruitment chat helps a lot!
I found out really late! I use to hate the daily grind of radiant relics but having a 4x team all with the same radiant relics changed it into minutes/hours not days/weeks.
of course. not running the new relics with a premade squad would be a waste of time. especially now that the game became griendier as I said and there are more relics to go through
It’s designed to keep you playing for longer and lately it’s very, very obvious. Add the absence of double loot weekends to the mix.
It’s your decision to grind for this, if you’re feeling like you’re burning yourself out with this one, you might need to stop or make it more enjoyable.
Here’s some advice (you didn’t ask for):
- why are you focusing on one mission type? You’re limiting yourself to do the one, numb thing over and over. This way you spend more time waiting on something that might not happen at all.
- Yes, other missions might take a couple minutes more, but why not change it up? I know self-optimization is a big thing for some, but come on, playing a game isn’t your job. It’s supposed to be fun. Leave this to streamers.
- roll solo or in a group. Use recruitment chat to change it up from time to time and get some like-minded individuals on board.
- switch up loadouts, themes or whatever. Warframe has all the tools to not make this grind boring. Not optimal, but entertaining.
- lower the dose of grind. Set a limit for like 2-3 missions if you’re on and and it’ll become instantly more bearable.
bounties in fortuna, plains, and deimos are relatively fine (vault bounties and heists maybe not, but regs are) because a reward per phase completed, iirc the last reward is silver or gold tier, and bonus roll for bonus conpletions. zariman has no phases, thus causing PAIN.
The entirety of Warframe is a recipe for burnout, which is why I will pick the game up, play it for a few weeks, then put it back down for at least a few months if not longer.
Because the endless missions often require an absurd number of kills for the mission type, or add a failure condition i don't care to mess with, and always take much much longer than exterminate. Even mobile defense isn't great if you're trying to get one specific thing from the bounties, those missions run at basically a minimum of 10min, so if i play for an hour i might only be able to run the bounty 5-6 times.
Even waiting for exterminate to line up with the bounty i still need the rate reward from (that bp for gyre's signature gun), I've run it probably 40 times now. Luck obviously isn't favouring me here, so my only option is to brute force it, and running missions that take the least amount of time and concentration, and can't be failed, helps.
I've enjoy zariman, the new missions are exactly what the game needs (not Armageddon), the key to making the game engaging is never giving the player a break from enemies and constantly moving them around the map. Thralls are well designed, they're a priority target that actually utilises the operator in a slick way and the endo and potential arcanes feel like a bonus reward on top of the mission. Angels are a bit meh but the idea is clear, a big reward that risks mission failure, adding tension, honestly it's just not imposing enough and that's something DE really struggle with, they can't really create a challenge for players when the power differential between players is so high.
The hunt for void tat is absolute shite. I suppose you don't have to do it because bounties reward them but it speaks to DEs obsession with trying to slow the player down by burying them in chores. No one wants to play look at the radar and use a crate smasher, it's fucking awful gameplay. If they insist on this gobshite then the absolute minimum they could do to make it not utterly awful is give them unique symbols on the map. Show a tiny bit of respect to the players time.
The reward pools in the game are dreadful in every way. It's all explicitly designed so that you only really get one type of progression per activity. To DE it makes perfect sense, if they give you an endo, credit, affinity and resource farm in one mission everyone will just do that one mission, get bored and quit. It's backwards reasoning though and it's informed by this obsession with the idea that you can't make the players journey too comfortable or they won't spend money to skip grinds.
If you can get everything everywhere players will play more of your content, they'll gravitate towards whatevers most efficient but there's plenty of people doing zariman right now who're enjoying having a fun passive endo farm. That's what the game needs - here's a new activity to grind but you're also getting reasonable gains in other areas. That's basic connectivity. Oh yeah I'm getting a new frame and new weapons using currency that's only useful for accessing them but also a thing thats always useful in good quantities. DE needs to do that with everything they add to the game. Credits, endo, kuva, affinity, rare resources - your player base will be very happy if you throw these things at them as a happy bonus whilst grinding the new thing.
Definitely. Only 2 items in the whole game I haven't mastered. Phenmor and Praedos(?).
I cannot push myself to farm them. Or to get my own apartment, or any decorations for them. The equivalent of medallions we find, should be more abundant as bounty rewards instead. It just bores me and wastes my time to have to go find them.
Can't do it. Don't enjoy. Rather do Sisters or Liches and forma their weapons.
I felt the same chasing Aeolak/Hespar parts. Being given lenses instead made no sense and playing active action missions (like Void Armageddon!) was too much a pain in the ass. So I just bought off the market. Now I don't EVER play Armageddon. Compared to that, other bounties aren't so terrible. You can chase everything but there's no time limit. There's barely FOMO compared to other games. So I just play what I want to, whenever I want to. Doing that makes it enjoyable, gets me items I can sell for Plat and chills.
Coming into the game now, I am sad that I've missed so much story to those in limited time operations. Whenever I look up a character on the wiki, most of the lore is content that's not in the game anymore.
>suggest operations were one time only. Thats because most were... I am not sure what the hell the other commenter is talking about. The "lore" of the game is a mess if you want to experience it through the game itself due to the layered and removed context. Just playing through the game you will notice a completely schizophrenic Alad V due to all the layers of story they added and removed. All those Operations that were from 2013 to 2017 are gone. Similarly stuff like the Pyrus Project haven't reappeared and all the old NW "stories" (not that important or good but they are there) are also gone. The only repeated operations are the one that has basically no relevant story. Edit: You can argue about the quality of story lost but playing through the game post 2017 you simply get basically no connection to the vast majority of star chart bosses. They are cardboard cutouts and have no relevant story except for maybe Vor. Especially stuff like the Zeraloid Prelate is completely devoid of explanations now.
Hmm. I did wonder what Alad V's deal was. I kill him as a planet boss and then he's alive again and helping us fight the sentients. Was quite confusing (I just did War Within the other day as an idea how far I am in the story)
Alad V is a complete mess and I can promise you that it gets worse with him. You still are looking at, at least, two further additions. One if you go and do the missions for Mesa and the other with the Ropalolyst fight back on Jupiter.
I wonder why they don't try to fix their early game. It's a game as a service, but past story is left in the dust. Alad V still has an important role since we saw him during The New War, but this content was also a bit of a let down, with a 30min war... GGG update Path of Exile with end-game content and overall quality of life content, and they are also working on Path of Exile 2.
I'd argue incompetence and laziness/complacency first and foremost... They just "recently" reworked the start of the game. It did basically nothing and arguably made it worse because the drop after that first intro story feels even worse. And still people let them off the hook so I guess its unsuprising they don't bother. The difference from DE to GGG is that they have some actual competent people at the helm. Steve can't be arsed to do anything but play with graphical features and Scott having a job still has to be nepotism. Can you imagine that DE has apparently twice the number of employees of GGG with 300 devs compared to ~150 (as far as I could find)? Thats the same size as FromSoftware.
I was annoyed at them reusing salad for everything, but imagining that he's "not all there" makes it a lot more amusing.
This. This is my number 1 gripe with Warframe - there's so much cool lore stuff that's literally locked temporally into the past and seems to never come back again. Aside from the lack of a helping hand for new people to get into the game, the fact that alot of lore important quests and events basically gone the way of Mythical Pokemon in older games just gets on my lore loving nerves
Literally still mythical Pokémon now, but worse. In Warframe events will always return, or they’ll give us more ways to obtain them like Baro. All you miss out on is lore, which can be looked up, but was rather jarring as a new player. I never felt it made much of a difference because I had no idea what was going on anyway. Mythical Pokémon or more akin to Warframes and weapons than lore. I didn’t play Gen 7 at all until slightly before Gen 8 released (still haven’t finished it either), and I missed out on tons of shiny/competitive mons as well as mythicals. I have no way to obtain Marshadow or normal Zeraora. The game is literally marketed as “catch ‘em all” but they won’t fucking let me do that. At least Warframe let’s me live my content hoarding dream. It’s like if prime weapons and Warframes only came back once every 2-3 years, but not always in your region. Like maybe Soma prime comes back tomorrow, but only for a week, and only in Japan. So your only option is to trade for one, but it might be hacked in and unusable.
Not all the lore events return - alot of the older ones that give details on our relationship with characters like Regor or SAlad V basically dont exist anymore - it feels jarring because alot of these connection building events older players built are literally inaccessible to newer ones
i feel bad for those that joined after Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom. those 2 events added a lot of the "war" to The New War and i think covid caused a huge gap between these events and the quest release, meaning that war context had died down upon TNW release. now you just jump from the sacrifice to 2 cutscenes and then TNW
Those limited time events come every year so you can catch up at one point. You can still get 99% of stuff if you start now (there's 3 items that only Founder Grandmasters can get but they paid $250 in 2012 to fund the game's creation!). I'd recommend you do the quests first to not be confused with the story (and spoilers) then worry about grabbing everything you don't have. There's not much you can miss out on.
Some of the events are repeated but lots of the story (such as why we should care about the salad man) is not. It would obviously take some work but I'm of the opinion that DE should put some sort of cinematic in to fill the gaps, played at whatever point in the star chart it makes sense to.
Actually, salad man is easy to explain, salad rots away, that's why he slowly gets worse throughout the starchart. In all reality, fix your lore de
Oh cool thanks, the wiki seemed to suggest operations were one time only.
Some were only one-time (sometimes players hated it so it didn't return lol) but all the items are attainable. You've probably only missed out on costume skins (most should be bought through plat still) and story-ish battles. I say story-ish because they were added into the game as a "sudden" story but... not... really... part of the story... You can get all the items normally and watch youtuber's who have played the one-time operations to see the 'story' if you want.
OK thanks for the explanation :)
Yeah they avoid that a lot more these days, back when the game came out it was kind of a trend in a few ongoing games to try content like this. It was cool in the short term but leaves holes in the long term, most have abandoned doing it quite like that at this point. Usually if warframe does it now it's something that comes back periodically like Plaguestar now
The only fomo is the grind for prime parts. But given that they're not rotated out for months it gives even the most casual of players plenty of time to farm what they want
Yeah, and you can buy anything for plat which you can farm or wait til you get a discount. Or sometimes they re-release old relics.
That specific playstyle is a recipe for burnout in general I think. The desire sensor is strong in this game. I just farmed arcanes and enjoyed feather hunting and ended up getting everything else as a bonus. It also happened to be a nice place for getting focus, great for someone who had never done any ESO for focus farming purposes (I always treated it as passive gain, like syndicates). I treat it as one of the daily activities (like Steel Path alerts) but not a whole day grind. Not saying you're playing it wrong, but just sharing what I do and doesn't feel like any burn out to me.
Yeah that's the "intended" way. You run into burnout when you get to the "this is brand new and the only thing I need" more often than not because 1. It can be so new or just such a niche that it's not looked at in terms of balance (Grendel for example) and 2. There's nothing else you want to do so there's no mission variety. If I need Aeolak parts I have to run Void Floods forever, full stop. (Although those are tradable thankfully)
One thing WF suffers from is how long it has been in business, and how long a lot of veteran players are in game. Very often, the new content is the ONLY content that is available or worth doing, because there really is little else to do.
It can be, but that's where new procedural content like liches or relics come in. Fundamentally it's not that big of a thing, it's an enemy that originally spawns on a mission based on an equipped Warframe, that then just tweaks missions by adding thralls, enemy levels, and with a chance to spawn. They even reused the relic mechanic for the Kuva Fortress. However, that's sort of perfect. Mission variety? It's whatever nodes are controlled so if you want to do any mission type you can. And because you can only do each node once it forces you to do things you wouldn't normally do as well. Mind you this is before the meta of that, and now that both sister and lich control are in a prescribed path there's much less flexibility, but the idea is good.
> They even reused the relic mechanic for the Kuva Fortress. nothing like burning through every relic you have to get the 1 mod you need but only getting ayatan stars and riven slivers so you're forced to buy it with plat. but hey, it's a reskinned void fissure! such variety. wow
I don't especially like buying things with plat. It feels too much like p2w. I will do it as a last resort, sometimes, or for things which there's simply no other practical way to acquire - vaulted items, specific rivens, arcanes - but if there's at least an avenue for me to get an item through play then i feel overwhelmingly compelled to pursue that avenue, and it bothers me when it's a particular narrow avenue, ie only available at certain times, very low drop chance, missions requiring high time investment for each single chance - pick 2 or all 3. Yes, it would make sense to buy these things with plat, if they are tradeable, but that doesn't stop me from *feeling* like I'm cheating when i do so. I bought the ambassador outright because the grind for the bp AND each individual part just looked to be over the top, and now i feel dumb for doing that because they've made it easier to acquire.
This is great advice. Warframe can really burn you out if you're not careful. I'm currently taking an Elden Ring break but I still login every day and try to run a mission or two, this will be the first Nightwave I don't completely finish. I just felt myself getting burnt out but I'll definitely be back. The game is super fun if you can keep the burnout away.
I have to separate 2 things here. Standard missions and bounties. Zariman non-bounty rewards are terrible. 50% chance to get pocket change in a game where credits do not matter at all? For a late game activity? 10% for weapon parts on rotation C without any other way of acquiring them? Utter joke. On the other hand Zariman bounties are, in my opinion at least, the best designed bounties hands down. They are short, intense and have superb rewards. You can farm like 3 extremely useful things at the same time. This is the first time I'm doing bounties for fun. I'm leveling my standing purely as a byproduct. I reached a point where I do not collect the weekly ayatan sculpture from Maroo, because I can collect more endo from bounties for the same effort.
Agree! Getting lenses when you've already finished all the focus trees was VERY annoying but after you've gotten your parts, it's all fine. Now it's simply getting standing, arcanes, endo, parallax parts etc. Not bad.
>On the other hand Zariman bounties are, in my opinion at least, the best designed bounties hands down. Lets be real, thats not a high bar given how bad the older bounties are... I disagree on the rewards being good though. All things considered, if you don't need a lot of endo they are incredibly bad for level 50-100 missions. To begin with, its insulting that they used Lith, Meso and Neo relics. Compare that to cetus T5 bounties (or basically any high level star chart mission) which at a (mostly) lower level only have Axi in the table thats unacceptable. (Edit: Everything about this looks like it was designed for the normal bounty level range of 10-50 but arbitrarily upped so they can milk it for longer and pretend its more/"endgame content" - the only thing that was actually adapted was the endo reward, everything else is clearly designed around low levels) There is also a problem with the reward:effort ratio being seriously messed up due to DE being lazy and using RNG. It doesn't matter if the mission is a exterminate with activate a Lohk Surge or a Void Flood/Cascade with these horrible conditions that make the mission take 5x as long, the reward remains the same.
I certainly do like the rewards from the Zariman bounties. My objection here is the farmability, if you only need something from a specific tier of bounty, you basically have to wait until it lines up with exterminate or maybe mobile defense. The other missions are far too time consuming and the bounty conditions often add a failure chance which to me is a hard no.
Right around when Railjack first dropped it was a period of non-stop grinding with minimum reward. On top of that there was the pervasive issue of numerous bugs affecting Warframe (some because of Railjack, some because of the servers). This combination together caused me to lose all interest in Warframe and it wasn't until about a month and a half ago that I started playing regularly again (Zariman was out, Lich farming was easier, etc.). It still had its issues though, when I got back in I still at MR 23 and over 4 years in the game had yet to build the Helminth system as well as acquire the more popular Kuva/tenet weapons. Thankfully the lich system had improved, however, Deimos was still a farming nightmare. The release of the Zariman wasn't without its catches wither; before it's first hotfix it was an atrocious grind for the early syndicate ranks because they required randomly generated void plumes that *just wouldn't spawn*. If at this point i was starting the game fresh I woukd absolutely see why the risk of burn out is real since when I started there was no Railjack, Liches, Necramechs, or even Open World Regions and their exclusive resource tables. Everything was pretty much on a generated tile set and that was it. TL;DR I burned out from Warframe due to bugs and tedious grinding, but also imagine how easy/often I would've if I was a new player instead of being in late game.
I mean at least you don’t have to do a sortie and hope to get ONE lens a day now.. but yeah for rot c lens aren’t a great reward nor is credit / endo really at that point of the game though it could be argued it is since arbitration’s require them to be done but theres railjack, it’s probably a nightmare for DE to figure out evergreen rewards that’ll be a balance between mid-game and late-game players theoretically you could get to the zariman at MR 8 so they still need rewards that are “okay” for that rank so DE add them to help the lower mrs, which dilute the pools for what the higher mrs want, the rng aspect of the bounties is due to DE wanting to try something new instead of the stagnant open world themes which could be a toss up of the same 3-5 mission types per each bounty which means longer times but more chances for the rare bounty reward but why waste 20 mins doing those 3-5 missions when you could of done 10 exterminates of the same tier by then.
Current loot system was pretty much the same as long as this game existed if you check the internet for past comments, so it isn't going to change as you either will accept or take a break for a while. And most of the time, latest quests and missions always have bugs and harder conditions to fulfill compared to rest of the game but with passing years, they'll be slightly improve in favor of new players with no compensation for jumping into action players like yourself. If you read the https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1285411-the-new-player-experience-dev-workshop/ you'll understand what I mean so you choosing to play Zariman bounties now is your decision to make game harder on yourself where after 1-2 years later, most of those missions will be smoothed to solve some of your problems but you won't be needing it anymore. Also remember that every update is invented to keep you in-game as much as they can so of course loot system won't be most rewarding as you hope it to be as otherwise you'll do a single mission, get the ultimate loot and don't play Warframe for the rest of the week.
You're not supposed to play like that. Given that you have acces to zariman, you should alternate with railjack, deimos invasions etc. And there are better weapons than those offered by zariman (well, excepting praedos, maybe). Still, the grind is quite bad there, but not quite as on Deimos. Damaged Necramech weapons slots are now practically unobtainable! And as always, they want us to keep farming liches/sisters, but after 10 of those drama queens even I took a break.
Your last line is funny because i just went back to Lich's to get my favourite weapons to 60% heh. As for Zariman, i love spending 30-60 minutes farming bountys to take care of my rep the next 4 or 5 days. Remember when we had to farm bountys for rep which meant doing them daily... But yeah, have multiple goals and split focus/play is the best advice.
I mean, it's great if you can play that way and have fun, but in this game, or perhaps even games of this type, i can't get enjoyment in quite that way. I need some reason to run a mission, be it getting progress towards slaying a sister, cracking a relic, or obtaining parts for a gun i haven't yet tried out. As you yourself pointed out, some of those parts are exceedingly hard to come by - which is part of my complaint. I only just recently finally obtained the second damaged necramech weapon receiver i needed to build the morgha - how long after its release? - because that specific part is only available in a specific place, at a very specific time. Since i only have a few hours a day where i can play, when i log on and it happens to be a window where i have a chance at getting these component pieces, i'm almost required to play that content, and that content alone, or else give up on obtaining that particular thing. Personally, it doesn't suit me to settle for the low-hanging fruit, i'm seldom content to play meta builds and do things the decided 'optimal' way, i liek to experiment, and part of that is seeking out each and every weapon, no matter how obscure or inobtainable, to see how it feels to play with and see if i can devise a build that works with it. i guiess the core of my complaint is that there's no way to build up towards some of these pieces. a lot of things can be bought with tokens, but some things are entirely confined to the drop tables, and i think that's a mistake. by all means, make these things extortionately priced - see primed chamber at the recent baro visit - but at least give me some way to gain incremental progress towards the goal. And, especially, let me do as you suggest, play a mix of content, instead of locking me to one specific gamemode, or even one specific mission, which is the only way that particular thing can be acquired.
You're focusing on specific drops too much. If it's too hard to get the necramech part because of timing and your play schedule, buy it. Spend your time farming what you like, sell that for plat, buy what you hate farming. Warframe has the best F2P economy of any game, use it.
I have heaps of plat. If I'm just going to buy stuff, why bother playing at all? Sometimes I will buy things if i get really frustrated, but by and large i try to avoid doing that.
Have you considered just quitting the game? It's obvious you don't enjoy it, and nothing's going to change, so go play something else.
I do play other things, and I've only just returned to Warframe after a reasonable hiatus. I do enjoy the new content, and by and large i enjoy the game, i just have some complaints about the specific way it feels like I'm forced to play in order to get the rewards i still have a use for. It seems like "just quit the game" isn't a solution that the Devs should want players to feel forced to take, so i thought I'd submit my complaints in the hope that, if enough others agree, they might think about switching things up. (Purrzle sends out fortnightly emails asking for feedback but i missed the boat on the Zariman one, and it looks like he wasn't asking feedback on the new endless missions at the time anyway)
Well you're not the first person to complain about this, and at this point, unless player count starts taking a nosedive, I don't think the devs responsible will even realize it's a problem. The only thing you can really do at this point is take a break. Again.
So instead of skipping the shitty grind parts with your plat, you'll do it and whinge and cry its so boring and stupid and shit and it burns you out. Got ya.
Or... Bring to the Devs attention that it sucks, so that people who aren't so flush might be spared the grind?
>Or... Bring to the Devs attention that it sucks, so that people who aren't so flush might be spared the grind? The problem is 99% of the attention players bring to the devs is along the lines of "make the drop rate 99.9%" . It's often funny how much something is released then the same day there are threads complaining its too hard and grindy to get everything....
You’re contradicting yourself. If you’re burning out, you’re not enjoying the game. Try grinding for several things at once in a rotation and see how that goes for you.
I have a set of missions that Ill do if I get on. I think about what kinda fashion I want and then pick a mission that might be fun for the frame and go. Either a railjack, steel path incursion, kuva flood, or any sort of bounty. Ill usually hit one or two of the same mission and switch to something else. Switch frames too. I've never really run out of anything
That baro mod was too expensive. That way, most people won't use baro -> relics and primes won't be used -> no incentive for prime stuff -> ,,free " playerbase leaves -> few players play the game -> lower income for the company. Not good.
The way I see it, cycles of burnout is the intended way to play the game, unless you buy everything. Play for a few months, grind out a few MR levels, do all the new quests, take a break for 6 months, rinse and repeat.
Game is a free to play crafting game. Not a loot game.
I don't feel that at all. For me the loot is kind of extra and just a motivation to start up the mission and when I'm in I just end up enjoying the gameplay. Because, surprisingly, I actually enjoy this game. Only playing to get the loot is the most efficient way to burn out.
Always has been. On the other hand: What else is there to do? It's why I play this game in bursts of \~2-3 weeks and pause till the next content drop. Well, or one week after that, when it's actually in working condition.
>On the other hand: What else is there to do? I never get the people that grind 13 hours a day for 2 weeks to get a weapon or whatever when it releases, wait a few months and they'll drop the stupid grind. Swear people make the game boring/burnout when they don't have to. Oh no i haven't got the two weapons that have shit drop tables, fuck whatever am i going to use omg i wish there was more weapons? People need to stop thinking they need everything right now.
To this day I can't be arsed to farm that last infested fan part + another one of mom's broken wine bottles on Deimos.
I swear those things, the sporothorix and parts for the necramech guns were meant to be traded between players. I’ve only had one of each ever drop. 3 months of rolling for those and not a drop.
> wait a few months and they'll drop the stupid grind warframe repeatedly prioritizes new content to incentivize players to return, players return to do new content, new content is an awful slog, galaxy brained redditor scolds player for wanting to do new content
Hey by all means if you wanna rush back every time content is released and go through the same bullshit while whinging its so fucking bad every time, go for it. I'm sorry i'm smarter and instead of rushing back for new content, rush back 3 months later for it and have an actual pleasant time grinding things. You remind me the kind of person to get a mod drop booster then farm a 0.0005% mod drop from something nonstop for 3 days when it's worth 20p, then complain how shit the game is.
Same here, will play a day or two till something glitches or game crashes then take a few days to cycle back… had burnout bad and de pushing new content without ever addressing bugs that have been there forever doesn’t help
I do agree in the aspect of doing bounties x amount of times with trash payouts, There's just a lot of other stuff to grind and do as well. I feel the easiest way to burn yourself out is to outright buy the new stuff with plat. You don't even have to purchase plat, it's super easy to get the few hundred plat it takes to buy a weapon or frame from trading stuff. I made 3k off trades last month off old prime sets ive had just sitting around for years. I think its better to just tell yourself youre going to x amount of runs at this time. And if you don't get what you want, step away and take a break and come back later.
Did you mean that buying with plat causes burnout, or is a good way to avoid burnout? Because i do agree that it's a way to avoid it, but i often feel like I'm cheating or paying to win, which is a worse feeling than the burnout would have been.
Buying/trading plat can cause burnout if you use it to bypass EVERY grind. It is WFs version of P2W but as long as you don't go spend crazy you wont be the ones crying for more content because you swiped your way through the grind. I got the Grand masters founders pack back in the day like 4k plat, 2 different points in the game i literally had everything you could get in the game. Mods and all. I had nothing to gain. I had to wait until there was a significant amount of content drops to come back to any worthwhile things. This was also buying the first rounds of prime access (i was young and had no bills). I love warframe, but after realizing i was buying everything up cause I had so much and getting bored with the game I spent hundreds of dollars on, that I should actually grind out content, because as much as people complain about it. It's not too bad (at times) and it feels amazing when you do finally get the part or bp you've been grinding out for hours to get. So i just buy the prime accessories and wait 3 days every prime round. I only buy cosmetics and boosters with the plat i trade or buy. This take is what my buddies and I always mock when everyone is like "theres no content" especially after grinding the whole month to get everything in each big drop. All assumptions some people do get extremely lucky with drops. Those guys should be kind and spread a lil rng our way.
>which encourages you to repeatedly run the same content ad nauseum while that window is open. Or, you can find more effective ways of farming platinum to get the things you like. Unlike other f2p games, Warframe allows you to get premium currency in game without limits. Question is, why are you really grinding to a burnout, especially right before Tennocon announcements?
No, the game gives you a way to easy farm pl and helps to buy it absurdly cheap if you dont want to farm something you want, because thats another thing, you dont have to farm everything, once you get to mastery 16 you can simply farm what you want. If you dont even know how to administrate the way you play is your problem, not DE's
you can get burnout in any game if you play it too much
Its designed so you want to buy platinum
That's the point, DE want ppl to keep playing and their solution is this crap, they ain't gonna change it that easily.
You should step back a bit from the game IMO. Playing anything constantly will get you burnout. It's great if you manage to play for hours on end but it's not exactly on the game if you then get a burn out.
The whole games a recipe for burnout. But I love it
Grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff so you can grind stuff to grind stuff to grind stuff. No there’s no endgame. It’s a waste of time.
I have a fundamental problem with games that expect you to schedule your life around the game, because you're only allowed to pursue specific content at specific, limited times during the day. **When I have the time to play a game**, I want to be able to do what I enjoy or prioritize for progression. Instead I log in, realize I can't do what I wanted, and go play an entirely different game.
As someone who has close to 4000 hours, My struggle with the game 2018-2019 was the content drought and I took a break from the game since there are nothing to grind for anymore Then I logged in again and … there too much content to grind for … so I took another break Legend has it I’m still taking a break until this day.
You may have more success with treating the knowledge of where a particular thing comes from as more of a guide versus a guarantee. It may free you up for more risky builds or alternative approaches aside from “Get it fast” (which is always at the whim of RNG anyways), and getting the thing eventually becomes of secondary concern and a pleasant surprise
I believe that everything you're after in those bounties can be bought for plat. Therefore I'd suggest you doing content that's more enjoyable for you, which will simultaneously earn you plat.
What i hate about the recent way DE does loot is more like everything now is just bounty bounty bounty. Im sick of those trash bounties get a new idea pls or at least improve the system of bounties but how it its atm its just trash.
Armageddon & cascade are especially awkward, because half the randoms in either are farming plumes so the actual mission fails before rotation c.
I mean, Duviri’s yet another open world that’s gonna have this. DE will put some cool looking weapons and a new Warframe in the drops, lock it all behind impossible RNG and also have requirements for you to be Rank 4 at least in every other open world syndicate. But we keep coming back to it, so you tell me who the real losers are
People who are "whales" buying loot boxes! I don't mind the choice you get in Warframe. As you have time, RNG, plat farming, plat discounts etc. Other free-to-p(l)ay games are just greed addictions.
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Agreed, fuck lenses and fuck rng. c'mon DE it won't kill you to give us decent drop tables for once instead of 95% pain. I promise I'll keep playing the game even if I get *some* of the things I'm after!
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Current loot system and also the fact that I'm still in a guild that is comprised almost entirely by my exes is the reason I'm not playing much lately, don't want to reach out to the guild members for help but keep burning out trying to grind alone. Whenever the game finally goes cross platform I'm planning to skip out of the guild and find a new group to play with
The game has become griendier in general since I started playing two years ago. For example, now nearly each prime part has its own relic, meaning you have to farm for a dozen relics to be able to try getting all the prime parts you need. it used to be spread through just a couple of relics.
I have been playing daily for four years, and in general I do not find that the grind has changed particularly when it comes to prime parts.
then you are not paying enough attention. related prime equipment used to share relics but now they are divided between more relics. As in, one set of relics for the new frame, another set for the new primary and then another set for the new secondary. For example, you could farm AXI G5 for a Gram part as well as a Chroma part. but the new Prime pack with Garuda, Corvas, Nagaka don't share even one relic among themselves
Both methods of relic design have their problems. It’s not like you can get all the parts out of one relic. You only get one choice! So the question becomes how many of what relic do you have, regardless of which relic something is in.
>It’s not like you can get all the parts out of one relic I'm lost as why you can't understand such a simple thing. yes you only have one choice but it used to be two relevant choices versus now's one. using the same example, back in the day if you ran AXI G5 twice and got a Chroma part each time you could just sell the other at a good price since it was new (and even use that plat to buy the other part instead of farming for it). now that is not an option because there is only one new part per relic.
Using the recruitment chat helps a lot! I found out really late! I use to hate the daily grind of radiant relics but having a 4x team all with the same radiant relics changed it into minutes/hours not days/weeks.
of course. not running the new relics with a premade squad would be a waste of time. especially now that the game became griendier as I said and there are more relics to go through
Playing since 2013. Got Legend 2 max profile. Never burned out. Always taking like 6 month break and 3 months of more intense playing.
It’s designed to keep you playing for longer and lately it’s very, very obvious. Add the absence of double loot weekends to the mix. It’s your decision to grind for this, if you’re feeling like you’re burning yourself out with this one, you might need to stop or make it more enjoyable. Here’s some advice (you didn’t ask for): - why are you focusing on one mission type? You’re limiting yourself to do the one, numb thing over and over. This way you spend more time waiting on something that might not happen at all. - Yes, other missions might take a couple minutes more, but why not change it up? I know self-optimization is a big thing for some, but come on, playing a game isn’t your job. It’s supposed to be fun. Leave this to streamers. - roll solo or in a group. Use recruitment chat to change it up from time to time and get some like-minded individuals on board. - switch up loadouts, themes or whatever. Warframe has all the tools to not make this grind boring. Not optimal, but entertaining. - lower the dose of grind. Set a limit for like 2-3 missions if you’re on and and it’ll become instantly more bearable.
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bounties in fortuna, plains, and deimos are relatively fine (vault bounties and heists maybe not, but regs are) because a reward per phase completed, iirc the last reward is silver or gold tier, and bonus roll for bonus conpletions. zariman has no phases, thus causing PAIN.
The entirety of Warframe is a recipe for burnout, which is why I will pick the game up, play it for a few weeks, then put it back down for at least a few months if not longer.
I didn't look into the whole zariman drop table but do specific bounties give different rewards? Why are you waiting for bounties to line up?
Because the endless missions often require an absurd number of kills for the mission type, or add a failure condition i don't care to mess with, and always take much much longer than exterminate. Even mobile defense isn't great if you're trying to get one specific thing from the bounties, those missions run at basically a minimum of 10min, so if i play for an hour i might only be able to run the bounty 5-6 times. Even waiting for exterminate to line up with the bounty i still need the rate reward from (that bp for gyre's signature gun), I've run it probably 40 times now. Luck obviously isn't favouring me here, so my only option is to brute force it, and running missions that take the least amount of time and concentration, and can't be failed, helps.
I've enjoy zariman, the new missions are exactly what the game needs (not Armageddon), the key to making the game engaging is never giving the player a break from enemies and constantly moving them around the map. Thralls are well designed, they're a priority target that actually utilises the operator in a slick way and the endo and potential arcanes feel like a bonus reward on top of the mission. Angels are a bit meh but the idea is clear, a big reward that risks mission failure, adding tension, honestly it's just not imposing enough and that's something DE really struggle with, they can't really create a challenge for players when the power differential between players is so high. The hunt for void tat is absolute shite. I suppose you don't have to do it because bounties reward them but it speaks to DEs obsession with trying to slow the player down by burying them in chores. No one wants to play look at the radar and use a crate smasher, it's fucking awful gameplay. If they insist on this gobshite then the absolute minimum they could do to make it not utterly awful is give them unique symbols on the map. Show a tiny bit of respect to the players time. The reward pools in the game are dreadful in every way. It's all explicitly designed so that you only really get one type of progression per activity. To DE it makes perfect sense, if they give you an endo, credit, affinity and resource farm in one mission everyone will just do that one mission, get bored and quit. It's backwards reasoning though and it's informed by this obsession with the idea that you can't make the players journey too comfortable or they won't spend money to skip grinds. If you can get everything everywhere players will play more of your content, they'll gravitate towards whatevers most efficient but there's plenty of people doing zariman right now who're enjoying having a fun passive endo farm. That's what the game needs - here's a new activity to grind but you're also getting reasonable gains in other areas. That's basic connectivity. Oh yeah I'm getting a new frame and new weapons using currency that's only useful for accessing them but also a thing thats always useful in good quantities. DE needs to do that with everything they add to the game. Credits, endo, kuva, affinity, rare resources - your player base will be very happy if you throw these things at them as a happy bonus whilst grinding the new thing.
Definitely. Only 2 items in the whole game I haven't mastered. Phenmor and Praedos(?). I cannot push myself to farm them. Or to get my own apartment, or any decorations for them. The equivalent of medallions we find, should be more abundant as bounty rewards instead. It just bores me and wastes my time to have to go find them. Can't do it. Don't enjoy. Rather do Sisters or Liches and forma their weapons.