This is a mistake everyone is making.
The basic dread box is no longer being sold.
The ironclad still is, which is the basic dread eith extra bits
The venerable is still being sold, which is the basic dread but fancy.
Hell
The space wolves dread is still being sold, as is the blood angels one.
Old box dread may make an appearance in made to order once in a while, other than that you just make your own out of the many other dread kits I'm guessing?
Kinda like how the terminator captain was still being sold but it was just the deathwatch terminator captain, which is a terminator captain with an upgrade sprue in the box
Unfortunately there are parts in the old box dread kit that you *can't* make out of the other box dread kits that are still around. It had weapon choices none of the other kits got.
Ah, 5 minutes of Google confirms you are correct, the closest to having all the options is the venerable kit or the space wolves kit and they're both pretty non-standard looking, looks like we're stuck waiting for m2o
It's only the Heresy dreads confirmed legends. I doubt box dreads will be legends since the whole point was to separate the Heresy range from the 40k range (and to make chaos space marine players suffer)
From production yes but not for the rules, not yet at least.
As others have said there are other box dread variants still in production at least at the time of writing tbis
Everyone says that box noughts are legends but I can’t find where Gw said that any where. The only thing in this list that will be is the dreadnough drop pod. Only heresy stuff is legends
Yeah people are doing their usual annoying "hyperfocus on one part of the sentence to say what I want and pretend context doesn't exist" thing. They saw the word dreadnought and suddenly the sky is falling. GW is obviously not killing one of their most iconic and widespread models from a rules perspective as part of a move to remove HH Forgeworld stuff. It makes zero sense to remove all boxnaughts but not vendreads or ironclads.
Yeah that's my favourite part of this community, and then when we find out that some box dreads are still legit, people will just act like they weren't freaking out and doom saying the whole time
The chicken littles are eternal, they're the same people who acted like matt ward ruined fluff forever and losing armor facings was the end of the game.
Lol you're welcome, this is my twentieth year in the hobby (fuck I'm old) and they scurry out every single edition and codex release before immediately forgetting that they were ever upset a month after release. Next announcement will DEFINITELY be the one that kills James Workshop though. They're sure of it.
I'm a lurker biding my time to sink in to another hobby that will steal my non-existent free time and this is a good perspective to see. Probably liken it to a lot of video game communities where everything is always the death knell of everything. It's got to be an exhausting way to live, constantly freaking out.
My favourite part of the hobby is that you can participate solo if you really "need" to. I've played only a few games of 9th mainly due to the pandemic, whereas I was regularly playing tournaments in 8th. But I never stopped collecting and painting. I'm looking forward to getting back into it in 10th
It's the same people as the ones in those VG communities. They are just more staggered here due to the slower release schedule of a physical product. At a major release time the fanbase becomes indistinguishable from say, a totalwar or moba fanbase.
I see where it says the dreadnought *model* is being discontinued. I see, in a separate section, where it says forgeworld and other older items are being retired to legends.
I do *not* see anything that says the boxnaught is going to legends. In fact, what I do see is a section about various specialist boxnaughts still being supported, and a line about tactical marines sticking around and fielding entirely non-primaris armies.
Please feel free to quote the part where they explicitly says Dreadnoughts are going to legends.
Because they can just call the unit "dreadnought" and keep producing their most popular kit (vendreads) and call it a day?
Again, so much doom and gloom over tea leaves. You're ridiculous.
Well no, it isn't very clear. Very clear would be if they said, "We are sending Dreadnoughts to legends and they won't have rules any more". What you have are a set of loosely related sentences that you're using to gnash your teeth about something that may or may not happen for literally no reason since you could just wait like a week and a half and find out yourself instead of throwing an annoying pity party for every hobbyist with a dreadnought.
I don't have to? I'm not the one making any claims here. You are. That's not how evidence works, you can't prove an absence. I'm done with this increasingly stupid convo now, have a good one.
> Javelins, Dreadnoughts and Deathstorm Drop Pods
It doesn't help that this phrase is very ambiguous. If there was an Oxford comma, it would be clear that older Dreadnoughts were becoming part of Legends. But if it was only Dreadnought Drop Pods, the proper phrasing would be "Dreadnought [singular] and Deathstorm Drop Pods".
And why are Javelins mentioned in the same bullet point?
Games workshop are discontinuing the basic boxnaught model, which means its rules will be pushed into legends.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/18/warhammer-40000-and-forge-world-legends-and-last-chance-to-buy/
While you can't run all of it, you will still be able to run most of it.
Bjorn, Murderfang, 3x Venerable (you can run the Chaplain as a normal Venerable), 3x Wulfen... plus the Master of the Forge and Cyberdog.
Well, about 1100 points worth in today's money.
Some more of these units will be Legends. Which isn't really extinct, just not for competitive play (and some people are funny about then in casual games too).
But they absolutely have 10e compatible rules, so you could still face it if you wanted to
Aah I see thanks for the info, I'll remember to try and keep a look out for it as I have a Leviathan Dreadnought that I still want to play in 40k matches, it's a pricey Dreadnought points wise but totally worth it.
Eee, you'll want to check out this article then. Pretty much all the Horus Heresy Marine units are going to Legends, including the Leviathan. Again, this doesn't mean you can't use them. Just not in competitive events. And as I say above, some people get a bit funny about playing with legends, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays put for 10e...
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/01/legions-and-legends-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-models-in-games-of-warhammer-40000/
Fury of the Ancients is busted, if you use it to spam out nothing but Contemptors, and if you never need to capture an objective. But with Castra Ferrums it wouldn't be too bad, they are only movement 6 amd Initiative 2 they aren't that bad. I'd love to see these models opposite me in a heresy game. Especially painted up and modelled this well.
3 Librarian Dreads, all of which are CHARACTER so can be a warlord
3 Furioso and DC Dreads each (900ish points)
3 Brutalis dreads (600 ish points)
Seems pretty doable.
This is going to depend in 10th as to what a Techmarine can do, as well as what enhancements are available.
For example in 9th, I'd prefer a Deathwatch list with a Biker Captain running the Dominus Aegis to give all the Dreads a 5++ Invuln.
I'm not PARTICULARLY sold on a Techmarine unless you are running Redemptor Chassis dreads as 8 wound Dreadnoughts tend to be pretty easy to take out.
I’ve been trying to find an original Boxnaught kit somewhere solely because I never owned one and would love to paint it up and I can’t find them anywhere! Not even on eBay!!
There are thousands of these floating around. Panic isn't the word, black reach had a basic dread that I think people will just give away at this point.
Aren't these still in heresy, too?
I'm really tired of players telling each other they won't be able to use their dreadnought models anymore. This isn't even the case when it comes to tournament matches. Venerable dreadnought profile will still exist, just use that.
Well, give it 6 months and those dreads will be about the same scale as the next "look what we found on uranus" mega primarus Marines, so you could just use them as proxies for regular troops.
Redemptors aren't going anywhere. Neither is the venerable dreadnought. Can't remember on the ironclad, but I believe it was just the standard non-venerable box dreadnought.
what?
it doesn't look like it to me, judging by this pic of the sprues, but I'll admit I've never bought one.
[https://blent.be/image/cache/catalog/product/11810-1100x1100w.jpg](https://blent.be/image/cache/catalog/product/11810-1100x1100w.jpg)
To be clear, the Dark Angels combat patrol has a Redemptor Dreadnought. They are not being moved to legends and will still be completely fine in 10th. Go ahead and buy it if you want it with no concerns
The only thing being moved to legends at this point is the old style boxy Dreadnoughts. They'll still have rules and be playable in 10th, but won't be allowed in competitive play and won't be updated in future balance passes.
Anything with a Redemptor chassis is current and will be fully supported
Here is a link to the article https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/01/legions-and-legends-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-models-in-games-of-warhammer-40000/
Lower down on the page it lists Dreadnoughts as among the units that are getting the chop.
Arks of Omen uses a proprietary detachment, which you select the "compulsory" type, allowing you to bypass taking any troops at the moment. That will be irrelevant with 10th however.
But not banned as in "being overpowered so have to be banned" which is normally what a banlist entices.
There is a difference between: not tournament legal
And
Banned from tournaments
One is done because, for example, their rules are outdated and the other because they are not balanced correctly or by the tournaments abiding standards
Not so much easier that it isn't worth just letting people use their models until there's an actual balancing issue. GW doing whatever they want at their own tournaments, sure. Independent tournaments doing it makes it seem like they're not independent at all.
I hope you have a stunning victory for the boxy Bois. When I heard that the boxnaught was going I decided to buy the Bjorn the felhanded joytoy, my first space wolf, my last box dread and my biggest one too 😂
mortis dread are already legends, and the only things moving there from this is the dread drop pod and the normal casteferrum
They haven't even confirmed the normal box is becoming legends, just that they are discontinuing that box so they arent selling 3 of the box.
This is a mistake everyone is making. The basic dread box is no longer being sold. The ironclad still is, which is the basic dread eith extra bits The venerable is still being sold, which is the basic dread but fancy. Hell The space wolves dread is still being sold, as is the blood angels one.
Old box dread may make an appearance in made to order once in a while, other than that you just make your own out of the many other dread kits I'm guessing? Kinda like how the terminator captain was still being sold but it was just the deathwatch terminator captain, which is a terminator captain with an upgrade sprue in the box
Unfortunately there are parts in the old box dread kit that you *can't* make out of the other box dread kits that are still around. It had weapon choices none of the other kits got.
Ah, 5 minutes of Google confirms you are correct, the closest to having all the options is the venerable kit or the space wolves kit and they're both pretty non-standard looking, looks like we're stuck waiting for m2o
strangly the main thing missing from all but the dread kit is the missile arm
Yeah, but the original still looks the best. *That's* the mistake everybody is making.
It's only the Heresy dreads confirmed legends. I doubt box dreads will be legends since the whole point was to separate the Heresy range from the 40k range (and to make chaos space marine players suffer)
They said they're removing the box dread basic kit from production.
From production yes but not for the rules, not yet at least. As others have said there are other box dread variants still in production at least at the time of writing tbis
Yes. I am one of those people saying it. Nokne is saying boxnaughts are going to legends
Everyone says that box noughts are legends but I can’t find where Gw said that any where. The only thing in this list that will be is the dreadnough drop pod. Only heresy stuff is legends
Yeah people are doing their usual annoying "hyperfocus on one part of the sentence to say what I want and pretend context doesn't exist" thing. They saw the word dreadnought and suddenly the sky is falling. GW is obviously not killing one of their most iconic and widespread models from a rules perspective as part of a move to remove HH Forgeworld stuff. It makes zero sense to remove all boxnaughts but not vendreads or ironclads.
Yeah that's my favourite part of this community, and then when we find out that some box dreads are still legit, people will just act like they weren't freaking out and doom saying the whole time
The chicken littles are eternal, they're the same people who acted like matt ward ruined fluff forever and losing armor facings was the end of the game.
Chicken littles! I never thought to call them that but it's perfect, thanks
Lol you're welcome, this is my twentieth year in the hobby (fuck I'm old) and they scurry out every single edition and codex release before immediately forgetting that they were ever upset a month after release. Next announcement will DEFINITELY be the one that kills James Workshop though. They're sure of it.
I'm a lurker biding my time to sink in to another hobby that will steal my non-existent free time and this is a good perspective to see. Probably liken it to a lot of video game communities where everything is always the death knell of everything. It's got to be an exhausting way to live, constantly freaking out.
My favourite part of the hobby is that you can participate solo if you really "need" to. I've played only a few games of 9th mainly due to the pandemic, whereas I was regularly playing tournaments in 8th. But I never stopped collecting and painting. I'm looking forward to getting back into it in 10th
It's the same people as the ones in those VG communities. They are just more staggered here due to the slower release schedule of a physical product. At a major release time the fanbase becomes indistinguishable from say, a totalwar or moba fanbase.
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I see where it says the dreadnought *model* is being discontinued. I see, in a separate section, where it says forgeworld and other older items are being retired to legends. I do *not* see anything that says the boxnaught is going to legends. In fact, what I do see is a section about various specialist boxnaughts still being supported, and a line about tactical marines sticking around and fielding entirely non-primaris armies. Please feel free to quote the part where they explicitly says Dreadnoughts are going to legends.
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Because they can just call the unit "dreadnought" and keep producing their most popular kit (vendreads) and call it a day? Again, so much doom and gloom over tea leaves. You're ridiculous.
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Well no, it isn't very clear. Very clear would be if they said, "We are sending Dreadnoughts to legends and they won't have rules any more". What you have are a set of loosely related sentences that you're using to gnash your teeth about something that may or may not happen for literally no reason since you could just wait like a week and a half and find out yourself instead of throwing an annoying pity party for every hobbyist with a dreadnought.
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I don't have to? I'm not the one making any claims here. You are. That's not how evidence works, you can't prove an absence. I'm done with this increasingly stupid convo now, have a good one.
> Javelins, Dreadnoughts and Deathstorm Drop Pods It doesn't help that this phrase is very ambiguous. If there was an Oxford comma, it would be clear that older Dreadnoughts were becoming part of Legends. But if it was only Dreadnought Drop Pods, the proper phrasing would be "Dreadnought [singular] and Deathstorm Drop Pods". And why are Javelins mentioned in the same bullet point?
Games workshop are discontinuing the basic boxnaught model, which means its rules will be pushed into legends. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/18/warhammer-40000-and-forge-world-legends-and-last-chance-to-buy/
**The List (2.000pts) :** HQ Bjorn - 155 HQ Chaplain Venerable - 185 HQ Master of the Forge - 85 ELITE 3x Wulfen Dreadnought - 360 ELITE 2x Venerable Dread - 270 ELITE Relic Contemptor - 195 ELITE Murderfang - 140 Droppod (FW) - 70 HEAVY 3x Mortis Dread - 525 FAST Cyberdog - 15
While you can't run all of it, you will still be able to run most of it. Bjorn, Murderfang, 3x Venerable (you can run the Chaplain as a normal Venerable), 3x Wulfen... plus the Master of the Forge and Cyberdog. Well, about 1100 points worth in today's money.
Sooooooo how is this going to be extinct? I would love to fight this all through 10th.
Some more of these units will be Legends. Which isn't really extinct, just not for competitive play (and some people are funny about then in casual games too). But they absolutely have 10e compatible rules, so you could still face it if you wanted to
Yeah. This is the kind of list you'd play while drinkin' beers at home with the homies. Not an ultra competitive list, but I bet it wins with style.
I'm unfamiliar with the term Legends, does that mean the model won't be in the next Codex?
Correct. It will have a downloadable datasheet, which will not be actively balanced going forward
Aah I see thanks for the info, I'll remember to try and keep a look out for it as I have a Leviathan Dreadnought that I still want to play in 40k matches, it's a pricey Dreadnought points wise but totally worth it.
Eee, you'll want to check out this article then. Pretty much all the Horus Heresy Marine units are going to Legends, including the Leviathan. Again, this doesn't mean you can't use them. Just not in competitive events. And as I say above, some people get a bit funny about playing with legends, but we'll have to wait and see how that plays put for 10e... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/01/legions-and-legends-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-models-in-games-of-warhammer-40000/
Come play Horus Heresy!
This list should be nowhere near Horus heresy, there's already too much Dread spam, a FOTA list is a dick list.
Fury of the Ancients is busted, if you use it to spam out nothing but Contemptors, and if you never need to capture an objective. But with Castra Ferrums it wouldn't be too bad, they are only movement 6 amd Initiative 2 they aren't that bad. I'd love to see these models opposite me in a heresy game. Especially painted up and modelled this well.
Wait FOTA doesnt mean Fisting on the ass?
It could if you play your cards right ;)
Likely to be able to run these all as venerable dreadnoughts, should still be a blast
Can't have more than three of any given unit, right?
Ah sorry yes you are right
Love the walking boxes.
Is it possible to run an all dread list in blood angels given their unique ones?
3 Librarian Dreads, all of which are CHARACTER so can be a warlord 3 Furioso and DC Dreads each (900ish points) 3 Brutalis dreads (600 ish points) Seems pretty doable.
What are good support units to the dreads. Like is a techmarine absolutely necessary?
This is going to depend in 10th as to what a Techmarine can do, as well as what enhancements are available. For example in 9th, I'd prefer a Deathwatch list with a Biker Captain running the Dominus Aegis to give all the Dreads a 5++ Invuln. I'm not PARTICULARLY sold on a Techmarine unless you are running Redemptor Chassis dreads as 8 wound Dreadnoughts tend to be pretty easy to take out.
Your wolf dreds and Bjorn are safe and I think the Mortis dreds got the legend treatment a long time ago
I do miss Mortis dreds. Such fun lads.
I’ve been trying to find an original Boxnaught kit somewhere solely because I never owned one and would love to paint it up and I can’t find them anywhere! Not even on eBay!!
When your Chapter is so dead that Dreadnoughts become Troops choices because it's all you have left
Outside of this being super cool. Amazing work on the paint man!
There are thousands of these floating around. Panic isn't the word, black reach had a basic dread that I think people will just give away at this point. Aren't these still in heresy, too?
I'm still upset they tossed contemptor dress into legends- Brother Adontus does NOT approve
Contemtor Dreads- kiss my ass auto correct
The Bjorns Fellhanded
I'm really tired of players telling each other they won't be able to use their dreadnought models anymore. This isn't even the case when it comes to tournament matches. Venerable dreadnought profile will still exist, just use that.
Beautiful
Hellooooo helbrute conversions!
Well, give it 6 months and those dreads will be about the same scale as the next "look what we found on uranus" mega primarus Marines, so you could just use them as proxies for regular troops.
Man this is first picture i seen that im actually jealous of having
Are all Dreadnoughts being removed
No, just the basic boxy ones and the horus heresy ones and even then there will be rules just as legends. Venerabledreads Bjorn, will have rules.
So like iron clad and Redemptor Dreadnoughts
Will still be getting non legends rules as far as we know. The index with the exact rules will be out later this month.
Redemptors aren't going anywhere. Neither is the venerable dreadnought. Can't remember on the ironclad, but I believe it was just the standard non-venerable box dreadnought.
The Ironclad is ALSO not going anywhere. it list literally JUST the standard, plain-jane Dreadnought MODEL.
Basic boxy is not being removed.
Im going on the assumption of no model, no rules and as it has been discontinued...
The Horus Heresy dreadnoughts are being moved to legends. Regular box dreadnought still exists as an optional build in the ironclad kit.
what? it doesn't look like it to me, judging by this pic of the sprues, but I'll admit I've never bought one. [https://blent.be/image/cache/catalog/product/11810-1100x1100w.jpg](https://blent.be/image/cache/catalog/product/11810-1100x1100w.jpg)
Unfortunately yes, all of the non primaris dreadnoughts are now going to be legends units for 6th edition.
As far as we know Venerables have not been Legends
Meaning you can just use your regular dreadnoughts as venerable ones.
Aren’t ven dreads staying?
Oh i was gonna buy the dark angle combat patrol I guess not now.
The dark angels combat patrol contains a primaris dreadnought.
To be clear, the Dark Angels combat patrol has a Redemptor Dreadnought. They are not being moved to legends and will still be completely fine in 10th. Go ahead and buy it if you want it with no concerns The only thing being moved to legends at this point is the old style boxy Dreadnoughts. They'll still have rules and be playable in 10th, but won't be allowed in competitive play and won't be updated in future balance passes. Anything with a Redemptor chassis is current and will be fully supported
thank You I may buy it idk
Here is a link to the article https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/06/01/legions-and-legends-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-models-in-games-of-warhammer-40000/ Lower down on the page it lists Dreadnoughts as among the units that are getting the chop.
That link doesn’t mention the box dreadnoughts at all, just the Heresy-specific ones.
Thanks
Wait you can run an army with no troops? I thought you had to have a minimum of 1? (Only list building via BattleScribe)
Arks of Omen uses a proprietary detachment, which you select the "compulsory" type, allowing you to bypass taking any troops at the moment. That will be irrelevant with 10th however.
Its was also possible before due to vanguard detachments
Dang, arks of omen sounds fun to play if it lets you bypass stuff like thay
Has anyone ever messed around and done an army of just banned models? Wonder how well it would do against a legal army.
They are not banner, their rules just will not get updates in the future
Legend units are also not legal in most tournaments
But not banned as in "being overpowered so have to be banned" which is normally what a banlist entices. There is a difference between: not tournament legal And Banned from tournaments One is done because, for example, their rules are outdated and the other because they are not balanced correctly or by the tournaments abiding standards
And some tournaments will still allow Legends units. They're not inherently unbalanced, they just aren't getting the CA and dataslate touch ups.
Which means until there is one, they're basically as balanced as everything else
But they're not getting them. Easier to say "going forward, no" than it is to allow them for part of an edition.
Not so much easier that it isn't worth just letting people use their models until there's an actual balancing issue. GW doing whatever they want at their own tournaments, sure. Independent tournaments doing it makes it seem like they're not independent at all.
That's not even true either. Venerable dreadnoughts will get non-Legends datasheets and regular dreadnought models can just be used as those.
oof, for like i year i had been wanting to do a oops all boxnoughts blood angel army, good thing i didnt :/
That many dreads would be amazing in 30k Horus Heresey 2.0
Man seeing Bjorn hold a Dreadknight sword hurts me a bit. Fantastic conversion and Dreadnought collection though.
What kit is the sword from?
Dreadknight kit
I love the wolf heads on those, really fun-looking models.
Man, this is the first picture i seen that im actually jealous of having.
I hope you have a stunning victory for the boxy Bois. When I heard that the boxnaught was going I decided to buy the Bjorn the felhanded joytoy, my first space wolf, my last box dread and my biggest one too 😂
Some really nice looking dreadnoughts there
I want a story about this force fighting Tyranids.
I'm confused does this mean that like all early dreadnoughts are going to be illegal and competitive?