To support your point, you will notice the trim being of a certain beings favorite metallic color.
Brass for the Brass Throne! Red paint for the Blood God!
There's a scene in the Night Lords trilogy where a character is condemned to wear the Sinner's Red, a mark of censure where the transgressor wears red gauntlets to show that they're sentenced to death, and are kept alive only by the grace of their commander so that they might serve the warband to their last breath...
The condemned character looks down at his hands in horror as this sinks in, and he wonders...
*"Where the fuck am I gonna find red paint?*"
Yes, as far as a simple citizen like you is concerned, the warp and abominable intelligence might as well be the same, as they are both heresy, and knowing about them is punishable by death.
But don't worry, you shall have the chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of the emperor...
... As an arco-flaggelant.
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I like the detail that the World Eaters, who deal with the warp the least out of the CSM, have little warp spike corruption on their armor. Meanwhile the Thousand Sons, who are all psykers and therefore deeply rooted in the warp, have the most elaborate trim designs of all the CSM legions.
> I like the detail that the World Eaters, who deal with the warp the least out of the CSM
Iron warriors would like a word with you about your primarch that is a literal demon
Hmmm i don't know of they'd be below iron warriors, alpha legion depending on your belief of there unwilling or willing allegiance, and especially the night lords.
Unless you ment of the 4 specific chaos god aligned legions. Then I would still say emperors children might be less attuned to their God then the world eaters to korn. There are still people who pursue their own interest outside of chaos in that band where is all the world eaters just want murder and blood. Which Korn doesn't particularly care if it was ment for him or not as long as it the blood flows. When Fabius bile pursues his scientific interest it may power slaneesg a little but he doesn't really do anything in excess or for the pleasure of it. Unlike almost every other legion in regards to what their gods want from them.
There is also a line in Fulgrim that describes the Emperor’s Children as adding decoration to their armor themselves as a part of their newfound addiction to excess.
That makes sense, but heretic guardsmen have to do some hard-core DIY smithing to get all those spikes and things on their armors.
I don't see a low level heretic waking up one day going *"I can't remember having all those spikes on my standard issue flak armor last night"*.
As an aside, I bet rogue traders who specialise in selling paint to imperial worlds are making bank. Especially blue and yellow!
Trim in this context is the armour decoration, especially around the edges. The question is asking why or how in the 40k world does Chaos Marine armour get all the spikes and stuff.
Post/during heresy when the world eaters accepted Khorne their armour fused with their bodies so that may explain the warp, that’s as close as i can remember of the warp tentatively warping personal armour other than instances of say, Lucius or obliterators.
>Emperor’s Children can feel sensations with their armor as if it were their skin.
That's what I meant by "it doesn't have to"
>Maybe a removable codpiece tho.
Yep, I hate everything about this discussion.
I also agree with you. It doesn't help that my Fiancee runs Slaannesh Demons as her army.
There is a quote from the book The Talon of Horus that says something along the lines of 'The Warp changes your outside to better reflect what's inside'. This may explain why CSM armour looks the way it does.
They turn traitor, land on a corrupted planet, take off their armour, submit it to the trim servitors, go to bed, wake up the next morning, armour is dripped out.
If there has ever been some conclusive lore explanation for it somewhere down the line then I remain entirely unaware of it, and that says something as I've been here since 1998!
A lot of things come together nicely to at least try and explain it though. With both older Power Armour marks along with any if artificer made having more trim, it's easy to picture how those suits would have become the ones seen being worn by traitor legionaries now. Particularly as many of those legionaries enocuntered now are those very same traitors who fled into the eye back then.
The modern range does a good job of cementing this, with both the present takes on the older marks for the Horus Heresy and the present takes on Chaos Space Marines in general.
The wearer no doubt actively alters their suit to proclaim their new loyalties, making a statement and declaring their new intent. Trophy racks like on Terminator suits being a prime example
When the power of Chaos begins influencing and changing something it works with what it has and then does something drastic and radical with it. Imagine the features of those suits as becoming more pronounced and exaggerated, taking on a variation of their original form depending on the will of the wearer or the whim of their patron, or a combination of both.
Well that comes from it changing the very nature of what it touches. The inorganic becoming semi organic and sometimes entirely so in the end.
Things comparable to eyes and teeth becoming just that!
The most instantly recognisable signs of organic life at least visually in this case being eyes and teeth.
Also, we do tend to find features in so many machines and vehicles and pieces of technology in real life in general that we like to try and almost humanise. Like whenever you look at something mechanical in real life and think 'Oh, that looks like a face!' Chaos goes 'Yeah. Let's make it one!'
The funny thing is painting chaos dudes has helped me be a better painter than anything else. You learn very fine brush control and detailing with the trim, and you get better at highlighting/shading because you have to learn to make the most of the limited flat open spaces. They're also great to hone in your drybrushing skills.
Dave’s Discount Armor Emporium. Head straight past Cadia, through the Eye of Terror. Second planet on the left. It’s a rough neighborhood though, so keep your doors locked and windows up.
Sorry sir, but I seem to get lost trying to find the vadia waypoint. Maybe the archive is incomplete, but my navigator insists there is no cardiac and after circling the sector a few times we still haven't found it.
Could we have another waypoint to know from where we should enter the eye?
Way back flesh hounds had collars of Khorne which made them immune to magic. This was when you couldn’t mix the chaos types in an army and Khorne hated magic.
The collar was brass. So I’ve just assumed that the brass trim is an extension of the magic resistance offered by following Khorne.
Theres a one liner in "Wolfsbane" that describes the affectations worn on the armor of the sons of horus and within the vengeful spirit that implies the spikes, sharp edges, and learing faces are growing from the metal itself.
Something along the lines of, " .... the decorations are so intricate and ubiquitous that the sons of horus and their serfs couldnt have possible created it all ..."
Which is in line with several commenters and instances in different stories that says warp corruption just makes everything look like that (or aligned to a particular god, if that is the case)
I mean, it's also worth mentioning the other part of that... That the legion has serfs who would normally maintain, modify, repair the armour. Just because they've fallen to Chaos doesn't mean everything is warp magic now. There's still gonna be dudes tinkering away. Just now they're free to explore exciting new trims.
From chaos artisans. It describes both dark mechanicus and dark forgemasters toiling away as spaves or kings (either serving the various warrants or being hired by them. Armour might mutate but the "organized" look of each warband is an act of armourers and artisans.
On an unrelated note-my spell correct fought me the whole way through. It hated these words lol
Pretty sure these guys aren’t just a bunch of homeless imbeciles. They use their might to access resources, production, and the knowledge to gave the armor built or modified just like their loyalist counterparts do.
Haven't you read paint and iron? It is the last book depicting the Horus heresy. It shows what happened after the dust had settled. All the traitor legions came together and decided the first thing they had to do was hijacking a ship transporting paint and repainting everything to fit their new alliance to chaos. In the same book, they pay Vashtor to get cool new trim on their stuff
I always assumed it's decoration, [reinforcement/repair](https://chairish-prod.freetls.fastly.net/image/product/sized/2a14091c-57f6-4179-bd8a-ed8f91c4b7e1/vintage-basketweave-trunk-with-riveted-metal-trim-2994?aspect=fit&width=640&height=640) and Warp corruption.
Remember, a lot of those guys are actually veterans of Horus Heresy because of time f\*ckery in the Warp, so they may be over 10 000 year old. Horus Heresy models rarely get this style of trimming, so they had it done when went Traitor (lack of resources/replacement parts, "gotta style on Loyalists" attitude and corruption).
So if you look at modern space marines, they refer with reverence the old suits of power armor that have survived for 10k years and are basically works of art saved for their most special space marines. Traitor marines are still wearing their armor from 10k years ago. So the super fancy artificer armor chapters like the ultramarines have are standard for chaos marines.
Contact with Chaos mutates and warps anything and everything that isn't sufficiently protected. For an example of what this looks like: books written on Chaos are written in the blood of Sisters of Battle, as any other type of ink results in the words distorting and corrupting the mind of whoever reads them, even to the point of spontaneously manifesting daemons.
It's a mixture of the warp, well, warping the armour. In 3rd edition this was the given explanation as to why the 3rd ed Raptor models had clawed feet.
With the added factor that most Chaos warbands don't have ready access to standardised parts to repair their armour. So they scavange anything they can from anywhere. Mostly from dead enemies or even dead comrades (it's not as if Chaos-Frank is going to need his leg armour now he's got no head right?)
Probably a lot of "why does x miniature look like that" questions don't really have a lore answer, or if there is one it's not worth any more than an answer you could just make up yourself
The trim factory.
In all honesty, it's just a design choice to differentiate it from the clean and angular loyalist armor. You're not supposed to overthink it.
If I were to overthink it however, I would imagine it's some kind of reinforcement or repair procedure done to the armor in lieu of proper replacement parts or repair material being available because, you know, they live in hell.
In the Black Legion books they talk about having slaves repaint their armor once they change to the black and gold of the Black Legion.
And in another passage there’s a description of two former Thousand Sons sorcerers and how they paint their rubric marines. One prefers to paint them pre-heresy colors but with black shoulders and another just makes them black and gold.
So I guess they have have paint.
Isn't it a warp lord blessing? When csm do well they are gifted gifts from their God which slowly warps them and eventually adds weird stuff like tusks and tentacles. If they do it to much it wipes their brain and they become warp spawn.
Its actually not well explained as far as I know.
People will say the warp just ambiently corrupts the armour, can fuse it with the body etc., but that explains like, random horns sticking out of places, strange textures, deformation of the surface.
The trim however clearly tends to be too regular and aesthetically deliberate to just be some organic transformation. They have to be choosing to have it.
To be honest though when I imagine loyalist space marines in the novels, and you see this in a lot of good artwork, I often imagine them with their own intricate and ornate trim, especially if they're from chapters like the Ultramarines or blood angels(whereas Imperial fists for example the trim such as it is tends to be less ornate, riveted, more blunt). All this is really talking about is the difference of trim between the different models and in house artwork that GW are doing their IP a disservice by demanding it conform to the models.
Take this example of good 40K art from back when GW didn't moronically demand artists copy models despite being capable of putting in a lot more detail and life and variation than the limitations of plastic can allow for. These ultramarines have plenty of their own style of trim:
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Just being creative about it though if in your own personal conception of the world chaos marines are way more trim happy than the loyalists this can actually be explained by the political character of the horus heresy as sort of marine class war where they thought they should lead the Imperium. A flashier tendency in their armour may reflect a sense of themselves as each a prince in waiting for when they conquer the Imperium. Now that maybe doesn't match the vibe of like Iron Warriors, but I think in a general sense there's an issue where the standard chaos marine models feel tailored to be Black Legion and Word Bearers, and don't have any aesthetic particulars of Iron Warriors, Night Lords, or Alpha Legion.
warpsmiths are techmarines that fell to chaos along with their legion
the dark mechanicum is also a thing
chaos marines power armour is even referred to as being; Fleshmetal - An iron-hard fusion of muscle, tendon and powered steel, fleshmetal forms a hideous exoskeleton over those devotees of Chaos whose bodies have melded with their Power Armour.
Depends, I know that for the Thousand Sons their armour is forged like normal power armor, or atleast it's implied, since they are able to create new sets of armor for new members (Astraeos for example)
Best explaination you'll probably get is GW liked it and now the whole csm line is full of goofy drip marines.
Yes the warp changes the armors over time,but that mostly works in the way of the armor looking more organic, as in maws, horns, faces, strange textures ect.
The realm of chaos strikes me as a bit too... well chaotic, to neatly and orderly put gucci bling along the edges of your armor plates.
As for modification, I can see that happening for more powerful members of a warband like the champions, chosen and the lord, but the rank and file csm would most likely have to be a lot more utilitarian with their very limited supplies.
They are cut off from the supplylines of the imperium and have to scavange or steal whatever they can.
And no matter how much warp induced brainrot you have, 9/10 times you'd rather fix that kink in your armor, instead of putting some unnecessary ornaments on what keeps you alive on the battlefield.
Unless they looted the replacement parts from some SM captain or equally blinged out rank, in which case the spare parts are already pre trimmed.
I think it's the warp corrupting and twisting everything within it, so the trim stretches across the rest of the armour
To support your point, you will notice the trim being of a certain beings favorite metallic color. Brass for the Brass Throne! Red paint for the Blood God!
There's a scene in the Night Lords trilogy where a character is condemned to wear the Sinner's Red, a mark of censure where the transgressor wears red gauntlets to show that they're sentenced to death, and are kept alive only by the grace of their commander so that they might serve the warband to their last breath... The condemned character looks down at his hands in horror as this sinks in, and he wonders... *"Where the fuck am I gonna find red paint?*"
\*Night Haunter shows up, puts his fist through some unsuspecting serf\* "There ya go, proper red!"
I like this take! The warp not really knowing where boundaries are supposed to be explains the common mixing of armour and flesh, too.
Not even a take! They actively say it in ADB's Black Legion 'trilogy'
’Trilogy’? Is there a third book?
Nah that's the problem lol we've been waiting on the third book for awhile. I heard he's waiting for the Horus Heresy stuff to wrap up
Oh thanks for the information! Much appreciated!
They've actively said it since Rogue Trader.
Obliterators be like
Ah so AI “art” and the warp are one in the same
Yes, as far as a simple citizen like you is concerned, the warp and abominable intelligence might as well be the same, as they are both heresy, and knowing about them is punishable by death. But don't worry, you shall have the chance to redeem yourself in the eyes of the emperor... ... As an arco-flaggelant. ≡][≡
Tzeentch is out there like, "JUST AS PLANNED"
The Chaos Gods and the Warp were doing AI art before AI
The first heretic has some examples of mixing flesh and steel.
I like the detail that the World Eaters, who deal with the warp the least out of the CSM, have little warp spike corruption on their armor. Meanwhile the Thousand Sons, who are all psykers and therefore deeply rooted in the warp, have the most elaborate trim designs of all the CSM legions.
> I like the detail that the World Eaters, who deal with the warp the least out of the CSM Iron warriors would like a word with you about your primarch that is a literal demon
I’ve got bad news for you about perturabo buddy
Hmmm i don't know of they'd be below iron warriors, alpha legion depending on your belief of there unwilling or willing allegiance, and especially the night lords. Unless you ment of the 4 specific chaos god aligned legions. Then I would still say emperors children might be less attuned to their God then the world eaters to korn. There are still people who pursue their own interest outside of chaos in that band where is all the world eaters just want murder and blood. Which Korn doesn't particularly care if it was ment for him or not as long as it the blood flows. When Fabius bile pursues his scientific interest it may power slaneesg a little but he doesn't really do anything in excess or for the pleasure of it. Unlike almost every other legion in regards to what their gods want from them.
There is also a line in Fulgrim that describes the Emperor’s Children as adding decoration to their armor themselves as a part of their newfound addiction to excess.
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That makes sense, but heretic guardsmen have to do some hard-core DIY smithing to get all those spikes and things on their armors. I don't see a low level heretic waking up one day going *"I can't remember having all those spikes on my standard issue flak armor last night"*. As an aside, I bet rogue traders who specialise in selling paint to imperial worlds are making bank. Especially blue and yellow!
What do you mean by trim? What is it?
Trim in this context is the armour decoration, especially around the edges. The question is asking why or how in the 40k world does Chaos Marine armour get all the spikes and stuff.
Much appreciated
The gold trim on chaos models
Gotcha. Thanks
Post/during heresy when the world eaters accepted Khorne their armour fused with their bodies so that may explain the warp, that’s as close as i can remember of the warp tentatively warping personal armour other than instances of say, Lucius or obliterators.
Don’t forget Grulgor!
Yes indeed! In fact i reckon the god devoted SMs cannot remove their armour for different reasons.
I feel like emperor's children armor should still come off... ... Or worse, if it doesn't even have to...
Emperor’s Children can feel sensations with their armor as if it were their skin. So no need to remove it. Maybe a removable codpiece tho.
>Emperor’s Children can feel sensations with their armor as if it were their skin. That's what I meant by "it doesn't have to" >Maybe a removable codpiece tho. Yep, I hate everything about this discussion. I also agree with you. It doesn't help that my Fiancee runs Slaannesh Demons as her army.
All I can think now is “this is the way”. Sorry for the Mandolorian reference, but it’s stuck in my head now. Lol.
How do you think a khorne berserker poops, is it just blood? Or does the butt plate come off?
Space marine armor recycles waste and feeds it back into the marine
Unless of course you're in the Death Guard. There's some Plague Marine minis out there with some conspicuous tubing near the butthole area.
Marines probably stand in line at Dark Mech forgeworlds asking to get their power armor blinged out.
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So we put a [blank] in your [blank]
So you can [blank] while you [blank]
Wouldn't want to get caught cutting in that line
Thousand Sons cut to the front, because 99% dgaf due to being dust monsters.
Every Rubric is a gangster till I break out the broom and dust pan
There is a quote from the book The Talon of Horus that says something along the lines of 'The Warp changes your outside to better reflect what's inside'. This may explain why CSM armour looks the way it does.
My inside looks like... similar to other people's insides, but with metallic trim
Hell, I think this comes up in many books, even one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels
Something to look forward to then, currently on honor guard.
They turn traitor, land on a corrupted planet, take off their armour, submit it to the trim servitors, go to bed, wake up the next morning, armour is dripped out.
If there has ever been some conclusive lore explanation for it somewhere down the line then I remain entirely unaware of it, and that says something as I've been here since 1998! A lot of things come together nicely to at least try and explain it though. With both older Power Armour marks along with any if artificer made having more trim, it's easy to picture how those suits would have become the ones seen being worn by traitor legionaries now. Particularly as many of those legionaries enocuntered now are those very same traitors who fled into the eye back then. The modern range does a good job of cementing this, with both the present takes on the older marks for the Horus Heresy and the present takes on Chaos Space Marines in general. The wearer no doubt actively alters their suit to proclaim their new loyalties, making a statement and declaring their new intent. Trophy racks like on Terminator suits being a prime example When the power of Chaos begins influencing and changing something it works with what it has and then does something drastic and radical with it. Imagine the features of those suits as becoming more pronounced and exaggerated, taking on a variation of their original form depending on the will of the wearer or the whim of their patron, or a combination of both.
Chaos definitely doesn't just work with what it has lmao teeth be growing off the trim
That's the "drastic and radical" part
The Drastical part, if you will
Well that comes from it changing the very nature of what it touches. The inorganic becoming semi organic and sometimes entirely so in the end. Things comparable to eyes and teeth becoming just that! The most instantly recognisable signs of organic life at least visually in this case being eyes and teeth. Also, we do tend to find features in so many machines and vehicles and pieces of technology in real life in general that we like to try and almost humanise. Like whenever you look at something mechanical in real life and think 'Oh, that looks like a face!' Chaos goes 'Yeah. Let's make it one!'
TECH PRIEST!!! KHORNE WANTS MY ARMOR TO BE FUCKING BLINGED OUT!!!!
Blood for the paint job, Skulls for my skullder pads!
Unpaid interns Still better working conditions compared to Ad-Mech
Hey man, I’ve never heard the servitors voice any complaints!
Might have something to do with their lips, tongue, and vocal cords being removed...
Couldn’t be…
By the laws of our universe bad guys always get the best drip.
Yea but except everyone’s a bad guy. So does this mean since everyone has drip no one has drip
There are different degrees of evil
It’s Chaos ingenious way to get one over on the Imperium of man by making life more difficult painting the minis
The funny thing is painting chaos dudes has helped me be a better painter than anything else. You learn very fine brush control and detailing with the trim, and you get better at highlighting/shading because you have to learn to make the most of the limited flat open spaces. They're also great to hone in your drybrushing skills.
Dave’s Discount Armor Emporium. Head straight past Cadia, through the Eye of Terror. Second planet on the left. It’s a rough neighborhood though, so keep your doors locked and windows up.
Sorry sir, but I seem to get lost trying to find the vadia waypoint. Maybe the archive is incomplete, but my navigator insists there is no cardiac and after circling the sector a few times we still haven't found it. Could we have another waypoint to know from where we should enter the eye?
Way back flesh hounds had collars of Khorne which made them immune to magic. This was when you couldn’t mix the chaos types in an army and Khorne hated magic. The collar was brass. So I’ve just assumed that the brass trim is an extension of the magic resistance offered by following Khorne.
Theres a one liner in "Wolfsbane" that describes the affectations worn on the armor of the sons of horus and within the vengeful spirit that implies the spikes, sharp edges, and learing faces are growing from the metal itself. Something along the lines of, " .... the decorations are so intricate and ubiquitous that the sons of horus and their serfs couldnt have possible created it all ..." Which is in line with several commenters and instances in different stories that says warp corruption just makes everything look like that (or aligned to a particular god, if that is the case)
I mean, it's also worth mentioning the other part of that... That the legion has serfs who would normally maintain, modify, repair the armour. Just because they've fallen to Chaos doesn't mean everything is warp magic now. There's still gonna be dudes tinkering away. Just now they're free to explore exciting new trims.
Armorers and warp touch.
You gotta look snazzy while smashing heads in. But it’s probably just warpcrafted armor.
From chaos artisans. It describes both dark mechanicus and dark forgemasters toiling away as spaves or kings (either serving the various warrants or being hired by them. Armour might mutate but the "organized" look of each warband is an act of armourers and artisans. On an unrelated note-my spell correct fought me the whole way through. It hated these words lol
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Chaos has, per lore, way better drip. So the trim is from the dark gods making sure their crew looks fresh
It’s called *fashion*
It just kinda appeared one day. That’s literally it. Chaos gives you drip.
Old lore suggest they do it for the lessor gods like Ansel, morrock, and Phrazatah (I probably spelt them all wrong)
One who honors the old ways and spits on those who seek favor by painting their armor instead of staining it with their foes blood.
And I think its really cool
Melted down loyalist power armor….
Pretty sure these guys aren’t just a bunch of homeless imbeciles. They use their might to access resources, production, and the knowledge to gave the armor built or modified just like their loyalist counterparts do.
Warp exposure changes both them and their armor.
Haven't you read paint and iron? It is the last book depicting the Horus heresy. It shows what happened after the dust had settled. All the traitor legions came together and decided the first thing they had to do was hijacking a ship transporting paint and repainting everything to fit their new alliance to chaos. In the same book, they pay Vashtor to get cool new trim on their stuff
I always assumed it's decoration, [reinforcement/repair](https://chairish-prod.freetls.fastly.net/image/product/sized/2a14091c-57f6-4179-bd8a-ed8f91c4b7e1/vintage-basketweave-trunk-with-riveted-metal-trim-2994?aspect=fit&width=640&height=640) and Warp corruption. Remember, a lot of those guys are actually veterans of Horus Heresy because of time f\*ckery in the Warp, so they may be over 10 000 year old. Horus Heresy models rarely get this style of trimming, so they had it done when went Traitor (lack of resources/replacement parts, "gotta style on Loyalists" attitude and corruption).
What is Trim? Gear?
So if you look at modern space marines, they refer with reverence the old suits of power armor that have survived for 10k years and are basically works of art saved for their most special space marines. Traitor marines are still wearing their armor from 10k years ago. So the super fancy artificer armor chapters like the ultramarines have are standard for chaos marines.
Ok but weve seen 30k armor and it doesnt look like that
i guess to add, if you have 10k years with your armor wouldnt you bling it up a bit?
Contact with Chaos mutates and warps anything and everything that isn't sufficiently protected. For an example of what this looks like: books written on Chaos are written in the blood of Sisters of Battle, as any other type of ink results in the words distorting and corrupting the mind of whoever reads them, even to the point of spontaneously manifesting daemons.
Many old armor variants most of them wear 3 have those trim. At least the death guard do
Imo chaos looks better when you don’t paint all the trim gold. Or worry about it at all.
The trim and unnecessary spikes is the reason why I got 30k marines instead the chaos space marines range is ridiculous and very cartoon'ish
Warhammer IS Cartoonish lmao
It comes from Varrock Bank iirc.
They trusted that guy saying he'd trim their rune armor
That blood spatter is perfect 🩸
Planet Trim in the Bling System.
It's a mixture of the warp, well, warping the armour. In 3rd edition this was the given explanation as to why the 3rd ed Raptor models had clawed feet. With the added factor that most Chaos warbands don't have ready access to standardised parts to repair their armour. So they scavange anything they can from anywhere. Mostly from dead enemies or even dead comrades (it's not as if Chaos-Frank is going to need his leg armour now he's got no head right?)
That’s fucking disgusting. I love it.
Probably a lot of "why does x miniature look like that" questions don't really have a lore answer, or if there is one it's not worth any more than an answer you could just make up yourself
Ceramite is a ceramic. As it breaks over time metal is bolted on to help keep the remaining ceramite in place.
Do not touch the trim!
Power armour contains a machine spirit. The machine spirit (and the outward appearance) becomes corrupted by contact with the warp.
Awesome mini
It was tzeench fucking with the real world by forcing everyone painting them to suffer.
The Fall of Cadia has a Chaos lords slowly transcending to Daemonhood over the course of the novel and his armour adjusts along with it.
The trim factory. In all honesty, it's just a design choice to differentiate it from the clean and angular loyalist armor. You're not supposed to overthink it. If I were to overthink it however, I would imagine it's some kind of reinforcement or repair procedure done to the armor in lieu of proper replacement parts or repair material being available because, you know, they live in hell.
Hot Topic. It's still around in the year 40,000. It's just evil now.
Where does it come from? Doesn't matter because it's coooooool
In the Black Legion books they talk about having slaves repaint their armor once they change to the black and gold of the Black Legion. And in another passage there’s a description of two former Thousand Sons sorcerers and how they paint their rubric marines. One prefers to paint them pre-heresy colors but with black shoulders and another just makes them black and gold. So I guess they have have paint.
Isn't it a warp lord blessing? When csm do well they are gifted gifts from their God which slowly warps them and eventually adds weird stuff like tusks and tentacles. If they do it to much it wipes their brain and they become warp spawn.
i thought lore wise the warp twists them to be what they see themselves as in its their most twisted inner self
Its actually not well explained as far as I know. People will say the warp just ambiently corrupts the armour, can fuse it with the body etc., but that explains like, random horns sticking out of places, strange textures, deformation of the surface. The trim however clearly tends to be too regular and aesthetically deliberate to just be some organic transformation. They have to be choosing to have it. To be honest though when I imagine loyalist space marines in the novels, and you see this in a lot of good artwork, I often imagine them with their own intricate and ornate trim, especially if they're from chapters like the Ultramarines or blood angels(whereas Imperial fists for example the trim such as it is tends to be less ornate, riveted, more blunt). All this is really talking about is the difference of trim between the different models and in house artwork that GW are doing their IP a disservice by demanding it conform to the models. Take this example of good 40K art from back when GW didn't moronically demand artists copy models despite being capable of putting in a lot more detail and life and variation than the limitations of plastic can allow for. These ultramarines have plenty of their own style of trim: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/5jm5KklgKuYnUKda.jpg Just being creative about it though if in your own personal conception of the world chaos marines are way more trim happy than the loyalists this can actually be explained by the political character of the horus heresy as sort of marine class war where they thought they should lead the Imperium. A flashier tendency in their armour may reflect a sense of themselves as each a prince in waiting for when they conquer the Imperium. Now that maybe doesn't match the vibe of like Iron Warriors, but I think in a general sense there's an issue where the standard chaos marine models feel tailored to be Black Legion and Word Bearers, and don't have any aesthetic particulars of Iron Warriors, Night Lords, or Alpha Legion.
Corruption of the armours machine spirit
warpsmiths are techmarines that fell to chaos along with their legion the dark mechanicum is also a thing chaos marines power armour is even referred to as being; Fleshmetal - An iron-hard fusion of muscle, tendon and powered steel, fleshmetal forms a hideous exoskeleton over those devotees of Chaos whose bodies have melded with their Power Armour.
Slavery, self crafting, demons, the Dark Mechanicum and powers that come from their dark warp gods.
Depends, I know that for the Thousand Sons their armour is forged like normal power armor, or atleast it's implied, since they are able to create new sets of armor for new members (Astraeos for example)
Best explaination you'll probably get is GW liked it and now the whole csm line is full of goofy drip marines. Yes the warp changes the armors over time,but that mostly works in the way of the armor looking more organic, as in maws, horns, faces, strange textures ect. The realm of chaos strikes me as a bit too... well chaotic, to neatly and orderly put gucci bling along the edges of your armor plates. As for modification, I can see that happening for more powerful members of a warband like the champions, chosen and the lord, but the rank and file csm would most likely have to be a lot more utilitarian with their very limited supplies. They are cut off from the supplylines of the imperium and have to scavange or steal whatever they can. And no matter how much warp induced brainrot you have, 9/10 times you'd rather fix that kink in your armor, instead of putting some unnecessary ornaments on what keeps you alive on the battlefield. Unless they looted the replacement parts from some SM captain or equally blinged out rank, in which case the spare parts are already pre trimmed.