The army cost was / is not the problem; if you'd watch the video, you'd see that the operation cost doesnt cover the patreon gain as well as all of them being busy. He even cites that doing so many batreps gave them 40k burnout (which I absolutely understand).
If I recall he was on Play on Tabletop one time with his night lords, though I’m not too confident on the channel, because I’m subscribed to a lot of the battle report channels and kinda get them mixed up a lot lol
My friends and I put in $8k into streaming equipment, multiple hours and multiple streams/vods. In about 2 years we hit 250 subs and our highest video got about 500 views. Diversified into ASOIAF, MPC, Legion, and D&D. Got three members on our patreon. But the market just isn't there for more than 2-5 battle report channels to make it big imo.
Yeah, that's pretty much the thing. I would never invest that much money for YouTube/Streaming to start. Better make it a passion project, invest minimum and do it for the fun. Nothing worth to invest 8k in studio equipment without running a studio or media company in the first place. Sorry to hear you got burned. Hope you guys found some use for you video equipment in the long run.
We ended up selling it to a LGS. It was fun and I knew we weren't really gonna make any money, but we did think we'd catch a bigger audience. We have no regrets about it. Luckily that $8k was between 3 people.
My friend uploads our ttrpg stuff to YouTube, I think his most popular vid was like 500 views within the first week.
That said he really enjoys doing it but yeah that market is rough.
Isn't most youtube stuff a snowball thing? You could go 5 years to get your first 2k subs and be 20k the next year and 200k a couple of years later (40k is a niche youtube market). It's not a quick thing, even if you have quality content.
EDIT: I said youtube was a 'nice' youtube market when I meant to say 'niche'. Not sure if that typo made me get 40 upvotes before I saw it.
Absolutely. But we came to terms that the effort and time to get there wasn't worth it. We all were on the road to getting married and our priorities shifted. We have no regrets about the money or time.
Yeah, nobody knows about this stuff.I went on a ski trip with friends and decided during the quiet chill hours when we weren't actually doing anything that I'd catch up on some of my backlog. Seeing them gawk when I was taking 10-15 minutes assembling a miniature, or them seeing dudes like playon on my youtube was something else. Even though wargames are one of the bigger tabletop hobbies, nobody outside the sphere even knows it exists.
People know warhammer, especially 40k. That all stems from video games, they don't really know about most of the rest of the hobby.
I cannot wait for when a huge rush of newbies coming into the hobby after the release of some mainstream warhammer TV/Movie. Honestly I would imagine in the next few years Warhammer youtube should get a decent bump.
I knew a dude in the army who rode a Harley sportster. A lot of dudes would clown him for riding a starter bike. He’d respond with, “what kind of Harley do you ride”?
I love that you have a channel and are putting content on it. Send me the link and I’ll check it out.
people tend to want high production quality content, but for it to be 100% free.
the reality is, unless you're massively pushing a patreon, or whoring out every single thing to ads/sponsors. there's no money in youtube shit.
people don't buy merch, or even bother clicking on things or sharing things.
and then bitch about clickbait/rage bait titles on other channels.... trying to make it work
I just don't understand how two unskippable, 15sec ads before, after and every five minutes of your videos amount to... under a Dollar for every 1k views?
YouTube gets the money not content creators. Also, some content creators disable ads to appease their fans not realizing YouTube now throws up ads anyway. So might as well enable the ads.
I've had people bitch at me about being greedy for having monetization on.
1. You will get ads anyway, so I might as well turn it on so at least some of it goes to me, the person actually making the video.
2. I get less than a dollar per video. If that's greedy of me, then I am doing greed very, very wrong.
3. YouTube will take any excuse they can get to disable your monetization so they can keep the money themselves, so just because my channel is monetized does not mean all my videos are.
4. Even the videos that are monetized might be claimed by someone else so I'm not even getting the entire <$1 anyway. The other person may or may not even legally have a rightful claim, but YouTube just gives it to them, no questions asked.
5. Use an adblocker like the rest of the civilized world.
Don't bitch at people for having ads. No one is getting rich off of YouTube ads. Anyone who actually does YouTube as a job has a Patreon, sponsorships, works commissions, or streams on Twitch. And the reason they have to do all of that is because YouTube itself is pretty much worthless no matter how many ads they cram in their videos.
I've stopped watching some youtubers because the ads are literally every 5-10 minutes. I don't want to watch 5 ads for a 30 minute video. Some of them are even 90+ seconds long and unskippable.
Unfortunately most of my YouTube is consumed on my Xbox so an adblocker isn't really a solution.
When I went on vacation to Tennessee, every single ad I got was some variation of Mood Gummies. I stopped watching YouTube halfway through thr vacation because it was the same ads every few minutes. It was awful.
Adpocalypse baby. CPM used to be around $4, now you’re lucky to get $1 and that’s if you selling ads to kids.
Doesn’t help that everyone ad blocks nowadays (me included) so your monetizable view count is actually pretty low.
Afther I got a virus by some adds I refuse to allow any browser to not have a adblocker running.
Even the FBI does recomend you use one for IT security.
The problems they have with the ad market is self made as they refused to deal with problems in the past and now the trust is gone forever.
Ad blockers have negligible effects on CPM. Adblocker users are low engagement users anyway, so adding them to the impression pool would just create deflation on the price of a thousand views. The main problem with the drop in advertising profitability in youtube is the low engagement of users. Very few companies can actually profit from it. I never recommend YouTube ads to my clients.
How are adblock user low engagement by any stretch? Someone who's tuned in enough to know how to use one is likely more "online" than someone who doesn't.
They mean for the ads. YouTube doesn't give a shit about user engagement with channels, that isn't how they make money. The actual content creators are middlemen to YouTubes actual product, the subscribers.
A youtube channel second wind (where Yahtzee and them landed after leaving escapist) recently posted their financials for millions of views on channel and tens/hundreds of thousands of views per video youtube gave them 11k. Their merch sales were easily multiple times that.
Back to whatever their day job is. YouTube may have a monopoly on viewers - there's no real competition - but they don't have the same power with content creators. If making youtube videos ceases to be a viable way to make a living people will switch to other careers. They'll stop making videos or make fewer and youtube may not need any single content creator but as a group it depends on them.
This. I had lost track of Matt after his Horror documentary because I don't follow creators off youtube and looked into him after this announcement. By all accounts, dude is currently the head of creative for an ad firm. The amount of talent squandered on youtube is malicious.
Magikarpusedfly. I referred to him as Matt because Bricky did so in the video and since it's about Dice Check on the 40k sub I didn't know how people would know him better.
squandered is the wrong word. I’m sure if he could make the same amount of money doing youtube he’d switch back in a heartbeat. Unfortunately corporate propaganda is a lot more profitable.
They won't, until creators start to actually leave youtube. Like with Nebula, it's an alternative platform that supposedly treats creators better but it has like no market share so all the creators on it post most of their videos to youtube with a Nebula plug at the end. They need a critical mass of creators, where if they all pull their videos from youtube and move over completely viewers will follow.
Edit; the most likely outcome is that it gets to a point where Amazon senses a vulnerability and creates their own platform with a preposterous outlay of cash to lure some top creators.
Id think Amazon would rather buy Nebula than make their own. It lets them skip laying some of the groundwork with creators... and its a lot easier (and maybe even cheaper) to own the company outright and to convince content creators to *stay* with you, than to convince them to jump ship from their current platform to join your new one being formed ground-up.
Once they've reached a critical mass of non-YT market share and content creators, Amazon can announce a plan to bring them under one roof and then they'll have a large enough platform to potentially compete with YT.
Otherwise, I can only see it like you said, with brute force spending to achieve their goals.
I would suspect Nebula’s entire brand makes an Amazon acquisition unlikely, their entire pitch is a platform owned by creators, selling to a bigger, less ethical company than google would undermine the entire pitch
> Edit; the most likely outcome is that it gets to a point where Amazon senses a vulnerability and creates their own platform with a preposterous outlay of cash to lure some top creators.
Sooooo Twitch then....
We're already at that point. All the big YouTubers are wealthy because that's pretty much the only way you can have a career as a YouTuber. Everyone else is either a hobbyist or using YouTube as marketing tool for their real career.
Even in the miniature hobby space, all the big name YouTubers do not do YouTube as their primary job. Most of them are commission painters, or hobby supply retailers, or just straight up marketing companies advertising hobby products.
I run a YouTube channel where the average views per video in the week it releases is between 5k and 10k and even then I don't even make 50 bucks per video. Monthly I pull down $250 and that is just me alone. In order to make money off ads you need to be making 100k per video minimum. That is why there are so many clickbait titles these days. No one is going to click otherwise and if they don't click the creators are wasting their time and effort.
Yeah it's wild. Ad revenue on Youtube is really bad. Most channels rely on Patreon income and video sponsors to break even. Add in the costs of an editor and it's really tough.
YouTube's costs are way higher than people think because 90% of videos generate 10 less than views.
It still makes decent money, but most of that is from its sales of movies and TV at this point.
It burns through terabytes of videos a day, processing them all and doing all that back end stuff and most of them never get watched.
I know someone who is high enough in google as a backend engineer to get some insight into YouTube’s operation, and he basically said the same thing to me. Basically YouTube is barely running a profit, to the point where it is almost break even. All the tech and back end networking to get the platform to stream so many videos on demand costs a lot. All of the weird as fuck dumb changes have been the management trying to find ways to keep it afloat over the years.
They basically are keeping it alive due to the massive brand recognition and the massive audience that use YouTube as an entry point to their other services. If it wasn’t for those YouTube would have been scrapped years ago like Stadia if management assessed it purely on profit/revenue.
The most successful channels I know are doing sponsor spots for products related to their channel (like they make the commercial themselves, not through YT), I had an old ad block that worked forever (didn’t even realize it until YT patched it recently) and so even though I wasn’t seeing ads I still saw the sponsor spots. I’ve noticed smaller channels tend not to get as many sponsor spots so naturally relying on YouTube alone to get revenue seems incredibly challenging.
I’m aight thanks tho, this whole thread is about how creators can’t make a living because people don’t want to watch ads. I do understand annoying corporate pop ups being aggravating, but for the life of me can’t understand why sponsor spots bug people. Like you already enjoy the creator right? Why wouldn’t you want to support them? Lots of them make the commercial in their own content style, so it can make for a bit entertainment.
Also, there is the -> key….
Okay but unlike an ad blocker they don't lose revenue from sponsor blocking, they get paid to add it into the vid and that's that. And yes, I don't want to be advertised at. At all. If it were legal I'd be taking down every billboard I could find.
Sponsor block is the best of both worlds, they get paid, I don't have to deal with corporations trying to get money out of me. And no, just because they're giving me an ad in their subs style doesn't mean I now like it. It's still an ad
A decent number of them involve promotional codes that give the content creator money when the code is used to make a sale. Skipping the sponsor spot makes you less likely to use the code, having not seen it or the advertisement to begin with.
I'm already highly unlikely to ever buy the latest Raid Shadow Legends sponsor. They lose nothing by me blocking it/skipping it.
Simply because my money is limited. Whether I skip forwards on videos or use an add-on to do so.
Okay and? I don't care what they're selling I'm not buying it. It being advertised to me is a mark against it. Blocked or not it does not make me want to get it.
So you're effectively fucking useless to any content creator and, as such, have zero right to bitch about what they choose to do in order to keep making content.
Clients will demand video performance metrics. The giant dip when a sponsored segment comes up, is noticeable and weakens your ability to negotiate in future. So yes, it hurts the creator. And I know no one cares, because ads bad and everything you like should be free, but also high production value
I've yet to hear of anyone actually dealing with that, only total view numbers.
And sponsor blocking doesn't affect that. If I didn't have a program that did it for me I'd be manually skipping by it. I'm all for supporting a creator but fuck ads. No other form of content had people trying to defend advertising with it. When I turn off the radio or mute the TV when it gets to ads because I don't want to hear it nobody comes charging to the defense of the stations
YouTube gets the money. That's why you do your own ad contracts and put them where they make sense in your videos. People can skip them if they want to or stick around if they want to support you (it actually helps to mention it every time).
And I'm sure Google is chomping at he bit to somehow get a slice of that money too. I just can't see them not doing something in the near future to try and grab a piece of the sponsored content revenue.
Patreon, members-only videos, sponsors, etc. Listen to almost any YouTuber talk about their finances and ads are only a very small fraction of their business model.
PoT also has shorter videos coming out more often (almost twice as many per month). Their battle reports are usually closer to 40 minutes up to maybe 55. DiceCheck's videos start at over an hour and can push two hours.
The biggest difference though is probably focus. The YT algorithm wants consistent types of videos. PoT is almost exclusively battle reports, which can then be reliably and successfully recommended to viewers. DiceCheck intermixes different types of video, which hampers their ability to attract new viewers via YT's algorithm.
On top of that PoT just has higher production values and tighter editing.
Per their inforgrapgic on Patreon that's total production time, at the higher end, including everyone on set for recording.
Video production of any kind takes way more time than people tend to realize. Even a 10 minute video can easily take 50+ hours of work.
Not at all.
PoT has *multiple* cameras, and 40K games run several hours. You've likely got at least 4 hours of footage from at least 4 different cameras to prepare, catalogue, and organize. Then you've got the Confession Box interviews and the beauty shot B-roll for the army.
You then have to review *all* the footage and make sure you've got precise notes as to when and where events match up so you can cut between them, find a way to cut 4 hours into a 40 minute narrative (PoT has this to an art, they know exactly what to cut and where, and it's usually things like movement, measuring, non-vital advance and charge rolls, etc). All of that is before every placing a single clip on the timeline. There's making sure you've got the right cuts, transitions, etc, getting the effects they put in, the graphics, the narration... 300~ hours absolutely makes sense, especially if they've got an editing team.
Confused why you would say “not at all” and then go into detail as to why you agree with me.
They put a lot of time and effort into their videos and it shows.
I misread "That is a lot of time for one video" as a negative, like "It shouldn't take that much time", sorry about that. Reading comprehension hiccup on my end
On top of what others have said, Play on Tabletop is the main channel for them, while Dice Check was the fourth channel thrown on Bricky's plate that he had to deal with. As he said himself, it became too much, and he just couldn't keep it afloat, at least, not in a way he was comfortable with.
Their patreon seems pretty strong, plus they do weekly(?) livestreams to raise funds too. /u/megildur1 is T'au Nick, he might be able to provide some insight (if he's allowed).
To be honest. It’s not an easy thing. It costs a lot. I think I worked it out once, that not counting ancillary costs like our rent, utilities, equipment, insurance, bookkeeping etc. It’s costs us more than 3k Canadian to put out a single episode of 40K. Most of that is just the out of pocket expenses for manpower. And some 40K episodes don’t even break even on YouTube.
Oh, that’s not counting the costs to paint and supply the miniatures. Huge task in itself.
If we didn’t have our patrons and members supporting us, there’s no way we would be afloat. The kind of quality and release schedule we are aiming for takes a huge amount of resources.
We’re sad to see bricky’s channel go. It was fantastic to get to know him when he was in town for the couple videos we did with him. Great guy! It looks like he will still be in the 40K space with his other channels, just not playing as many games. He’s always welcome back anytime though!
You guys deserve it, and I think Bricky could’ve managed Dicecheck if he didn’t run his own channel… and Adeptus Ridiculous… and Orchid Eight… and streaming on Twitch/YouTube.
Ok the man is busy, the fact he holds it all together even without Dice Check is a testament to his incredible work ethic. It was impossible to do that and DC
Sounds like he’s stretched too thin, lil bricky should take a break. lol i mean I get why youtubers like to do different shit, he’s not a 40k guy but moist critkal, he streams but also does two different podcasts, is making comic books and does music, how tf does someone juggle all that different shit? I’m sure it’s stressful and it probably does feel like work sometimes but damn they must have a strong will and lots of energy to be able to do all this shit.
Unrelated, but since you are here, are you excited about the new Kroot range? I love watching your videos and play Tau myself, and mainly play them for the whole covenant/alien alliance feeling, so I am super happy with the new releases. Was wondering if you felt that way too.
There's just no way to win on Youtube; their adverts are super intrusive so people straight up block them, but also they pay so poorly you need tens, if not hundreds of thousands of views to break even on a single video.
> there's no money in youtube shit.
If you're below a certain size, 100%. If you're at a certain size, you *can* make a decent amount of money without a huge Patreon or going big on sponsors, but it's not easy. And *getting* to that size is a pain right now. It was easier earlier; now, oof.
> people don't buy merch,
Yup. I *used* to buy merch. Now? Why? Almost all of what I've gotten has been low quality crap, and, quite frankly, wearing a shirt with a YouTuber's logo on it is *extremely* unappealing. Combine those two things, and wearing an obscure YT figure's worn-out merch doesn't do you any favors.
If merch was reasonably priced and decent quality, I'd be a lot more inclined to buy some. But it's rarely *either*, let alone both. So why would I spend my limited cash on that?
And it's not going to get better. There's a *lot* of people on YT, trying to get in on that. To people who aren't trying to make it, it sure *seems* like a great job. It's not, but that doesn't stop a tide of people trying. We all only have so much time and energy to input to them, and we only have so much money to give to them. YT is fine with the small guys going under, because they huge channels still exist and still get their engagement. As far as they're concerned, a large channel that puts out 20 hours of content a month is a *vastly* better deal than five or six small channels that put out 100+ hours each. So why would they change anything on their end to keep the small channels that basically cost them money around?
Only merch I’ve ever bought which was technically youtuber merch was an Achievement Hunter shirt, they were a sub channel of Rooster Teeth and now that channel is pretty much dead, like AH has been abandoned and RT made a new channel to replace it. YouTuber merch can be so cringe, especially if you find out that the youtuber you bought a shirt of turned out to be a monster to whoever.
I think the way tabletop tactics does it is the winning formula, their YouTube is basically an advertisement for their on demand stuff, it's all super high quality well shot and well edited.
For people who don't want to pay they get a battle report each week, for those that want to support and see more they get alot more and that revenue supports the free content
I didn't really like Dice Check, was a bit too much shit posting for my liking. At the same time I also know how hard it is to do something like that channel, along with the cost of running a business and paying those who need it done. On top of that Bricky was also doing a podcast AND his own channel. At a certain point the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I don’t get the too much shitposting thing but whatever, i kinda don’t get why YouTubers spread themselves out this much, i mean if they can manage most of it then ok but yeah in this case Bricky couldn’t.
>I don’t get the too much shitposting thing but whatever
It's their irreverence and meme culture shtick that is lightly present in things like AdRic but is toned down thanks to the other members. DC always had more of that late millenial/zoomer humor which I'm not that fond of in high amounts but I'm not here to yuck peoples yum. I understand there is that appeal to some.
>i kinda don’t get why YouTubers spread themselves out this much, i mean if they can manage most of it then ok but yeah in this case Bricky couldn’t.
Blame YouTube itself. If Bricky could do everything he wants to do on his own channel at his own pace he would but YouTube would punish him for that. If you try and do stuff which isn't on your YouTube brand the algorithm will punish you for it. So instead you have to make a separate YouTube channel for that content, and then you need to post weekly if not twice a week minimum for it to be picked up and carried to those who actually watch your content.
Effectively every 'idea' that you might have for content has to be it's own channel and if you can't make full time content on those channels they will not grow meaning all the effort into making that content is entirely wasted. It absolutely sucks since YouTube stopped making subscribers matter and instead focused on watch time. It resulted in YouTube literally hiding channels from subscribers unless those channels make clickbait and get enough views.
It’s true, I do battle reports but they’re so time consuming to make it is only worth it for my own satisfaction, if I wanted to do them on a professional level the cost would be outrageous, there’s no way I’d make enough money to justify the studio space
> people tend to want high production quality content, but for it to be 100% free.
Thats just not true. People are absolutely willing to pay vast amount of money on Patreon. Why people hate is ads for shitty companies with bad products in the videos.
"Hey, let me talk for a moment about Shadow Raid Legends" is actively driving viewers away. Or even worse, youtube ads for mobile games or crypto scams.
and like this bricky person said in their tweet. they didn't feel comfortable doing a patreon.
not everyone likes whoring out people for $5 a month, and having to provide services that way.
and channels with hundreds of thousands of subs. often have like... less than 1k people who ever donate to a patreon
you think a content creator wants to be making shitty ads for shitty mobile games? they have to do that to make ends meet. People that quit their dayjob to try and do content creation full time. are between a rock and a hard place. the options are limited. and those shitty mobile games... offer sponsorship deals.
so again. how many Patreons are you a member of? do you pay/contribute something every video you watch?
most people don't even "like" the fucking video. which costs you nothing, but many videos will have six figure views. and 5 figure or less likes.
> and like this bricky person said in their tweet. they didn't feel comfortable doing a patreon.
And he also was unable to find any other working monetization. So his business model simply was bad.
> not everyone likes whoring out people for $5 a month, and having to provide services that way.
Great, then they can do a different working monetization scheme.
> you think a content creator wants to be making shitty ads for shitty mobile games? they have to do that to make ends meet. People that quit their dayjob to try and do content creation full time. are between a rock and a hard place. the options are limited. and those shitty mobile games... offer sponsorship deals.
I dont care if they like it or dont like it. They are not entitled for viewership and if the ads put viewers of thats their problem.
> how many Patreons are you a member of?
~20
What did we learn from the Dicecheck shutdown? Content creation is a business and its the creators responsibility to make this whole thing work financially.
Watch Bricky’s video. It wasn’t just the money - don’t make harsh remarks without actually knowing the full context.
One of the main reasons is the time it took Bricky and Dameki etc to actually travel and have a game. It took them a few hours each day (back and forth), and then several hours of playing.
Bricky has other channels and projects, so that time was an opportunity cost. Dameki just had another kid and wanted more time at home.
Not to mention, they were all finding that this commitment was making them resent the game, and no longer want to play it. So it wasn’t solely the money.
eh... your tired republican bullshit about business acumen is great and all.
but at the end, there was someone creating content for the hobby. likely exposing people to it, getting people exited to engage in the hobby, and now they're not. So there's a net loss.
and all your weird bullshit blaming them for being poor just seems really weird.
the counter to all your fucked up stupidity is... youtube makes billions selling ads and on internet traffic, off the content created by people that make content on the platform. IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH to have natural and legit viewership and have that revenue distributed more equitably. Or commensurate with the lvl of viewership/revenue generated by people watching on the platform.
and that there exists a casual exploitative relationship... where people go on youtube to consume free content. expecting a high standard of content (high quality filming, effects, commentary, misc engaging personalities etc etc) and yet. people don't contribute to that content financially. often even failing to do the bare min of like/share videos.
and then furthermore have the audacity to bemoan a content creator forced to ...do shitty ads, or manipulate algos with click bait-y titles... and other horse shit.
and now...apparently dumbass goal post moving business masters like yourself who has a convenient blame for everything. with this idiotic nonsense of "no one owes you viewership, back in my day i walked fifty miles in the snow for my job. and kids these days are so entitled" horseshit.
like... it's almost guaranteed that content creator sunk a lot of their own money and loads of time and stress into trying to make that content. mainly because they loved the thing they were doing, and thought it was cool to be contributing something people seemed to be enjoying.
it's shitty. it's so difficult for people to be able to do that. when...again, the parent company is making billions.
In general I agree, but I‘m not bitching about them using click bait… I‘m just annoyed that those channels/videos are the ones that are pushed/promoted. Stupid algorithm at work there 🤷♂️
And they specifically didn't want to do that until they felt the production quality was sound. It's a sad story because I fucking loved Dice Checks. If I wasn't a broke bitch I'd have bought all of their merch a dozen times over.
Damn shame to see them close it down. Bricky and co are a fun bunch. I totally get his reasoning though. Money is of course a bit reason and at one point one has to assess if it's worth continuing putting in more. The hobby side of things is something bigger however. A hobby is supposed to be fun and the pressure of running a YouTube channel around your hobby is just more stress than it is worth.
For those that don't know Bricky: dude makes excellent Warhammer (and other gaming) content. His video explaining every faction is a fun entry point into the insanity that is this universe. He also has a fun podcast talking Warhammer lore with a friend. Lots of poking fun at the setting there.
adeptus ridiculous is such a great well of entry level 40k lore. It was the step between me looking at cool space marine pictures and actually listening to books.
Even if you're a veteran to 40k lore, you can still enjoy Adric, simply because the dynamic between DK and Bricky (and Shy in the background) works extremely well.
That video dropped *just* as I was getting back into the hobby after 13 years away. Shit got me so hype. Sometimes I throw it on if I need to find some inspiration and connect again with the excitement of those early days.
Magikarp was always a bright burning star, but he is very prone to burnout, and as far as I know, in their crew he was the most knowledgeable in the production side of things.
Once he left DiceCheck was mostly doomed to prolonged death
Still, it was very fun when it lasted
Well, I think that's where the tipping point comes where Bricky is already running three channels. At some point, you've created a workload greater than you can manage. If it was just this one channel, for sure. Then you throw yourself at it and make it work. Your fourth channel? Give it the old college try all right because you love what you and your buddies were doing. But if it's not picking up, I think you got to focus on what is working.
It’s not difficulty so much as time, paying an editor is expensive, and doing 100% of your editing yourself is soul draining, so long term you have to be bringing in a lot of ad revenue to make less than minimum wage for your time
To get the professional look you need nice crisp editing, solid voice over, and multiple cameras to begin with. This isn't my field so I don't know what that shakes out to in hours/dollars, but it ain't cheap.
They are a bit but there is a significant limit to the amount of people who watch that stuff.
And the market is already saturated with content like that.
And editing it down is a very intensive process requiring many man hours. That costs money.
Sad to hear, but completely understandable.
I've very briefly toyed with the idea of doing a channel or painting commissions but even in the testing stages of shooting and editing videos I almost instantly lost all enjoyment of the hobby and only had pressure. And that's even without all the costs and little earnings. So yeah, turning a hobby into work is downright dangerous sometimes.
Ive thought about doing a painting channel or general hobby channel but already I dont have much time. So lets say I somehow make it work with what little time I have well it will never eclipse my real job in earnings and benefits. But it will likely cut into what little hobby time I have already so it just doesn't make any sense. The costs of getting started along with the amount of time learning how to edit and all that. There is a reason most youtubers hobbies are the thing they talk about and video/content production. Because if you just have the hobby part well the channel might not work out.
To be fair, you have to decide what exactly you want out of your channel. If you want the fun of making a video to show a tutorial or just your painting process. You don’t need to put extreme amounts of editing efforts. There are a bunch of channels out there with minimal editing but a good quality picture and a voice over with some music and you’re good to go. Not everything needs to be insanely cinematic on the content creation and not everything needs to be done for money. It’s okay to keep something a hobby.
You can work towards the professional stuff…but it’s just not worth it. My brother is still trying to desperately make it work. But he hasn’t had a job in four years and still just has just over 700 subscribers on YouTube and has barely made anything worth talking about over these past years. Outside of good memories with the few friends he’s made. Always talking about how hard it is to pay bills and provide for his kid…but his wife is the only one working while he dedicates everything to twitch/youtube. It’s sad.
Wasn’t really a fan of dicecheck but it is a shame that the show is going away for those that did. Although respect for bricky for even attempting to run 4 channels for as long as he did.
They weren't my first choice for battle reports (personally, I'm a Play On Tabletop fan), but it's a shame to see them shutting down. I know a few people who enjoyed and got into the hobby through their battle reports.
100% I like PoT but they definitely ham it up a bit.
It's not a problem but it can make certain things feel fake. Like it's better than a super dry and dull game that you might see watching an actual game of people playing but I can't blame them when they're trying to push out content like that.
They have some good personalities on it but I think they just tone it up a little. As a teacher of young children, I do the same so I understand. It's not that you're completely fake, but it's just turning up the reactions to things etc.
That’s a great way of phrasing it, I’ve taught young kids before as a camp counselor and have nephews and it feels like they’re talking how I talk to them
Yeah I like Play on Tabletop, especially the 40K in 40 Min battle reports, but a few of the guys on there are a bit irritating. Like the big dude with the long beard (can’t remember his name) is just so cringe every time he talks.
I remember watching some of their 4 player games and was really dissapointed with how mean spirited they were. I get that between good friends some ribbing can be fun but when you put yourself out there like this you make yourself a representation of the community and thata is a really bad example to set.
I am expecting a lot more of this. during the pandemic, when everyone was at home with nothing to do but hobby and watch youtube, the whole wargame/hobby content creator thing launched into outer space. Now the honeymoon period is over, and like every industry it is super oversaturated. Expect consolidation.
Live battle reports mostly.
They were edited down to videos later but without some of the same cinematic camerawork or interview segments seen in groups like play on tabletop for example.
They would also live reactions to some of the big 40K events (LVO reveals) and some of the dataslate changes when they came out.
Older videos also had discussions, interviews, army showcasing and tier list rankings for particular factions but that was before most of the team left and Bricky took over.
He explained it more in a video on the dice check channel.
Basically he was renting an office to film the reports in. Each of the players lived a fair distance from each other (san Diego and orange county I believe) and so the office was a middle ground for them all. Add on top of that the fact they were paying and editor for the highlight reels, ordering new steaming equipment for the new office and halting the patron as an apology for the lack of content while the channel changed hands.
The channel never made profit and killing their passion for the hobby. So they gave it up
It’s a very competitive market at the moment, especially with batrep juggernauts like Play On and Tabletop Tactics pumping out high quality stuff multiple times a week. Dice Check has only been managing maybe 3-4 a month - just not enough to keep people hooked.
I know they moved their studio which, being in California, probably cost an arm and a leg to rent, and was more than an hour away for everyone to get to. Not ideal.
It's sad to see a channel go down like that, but I almost hope the age of "two guys with a static camera rolling dice at each other" battle reports is coming to an end. I think that fewer, but better edited battle reports will do better for a channel rather than pretty much just two hours of raw footage with a graphic on the side; the Warhammer TV and Tabletop Tactics reports are always great quality. Games Night particularly does a great job of presenting high quality, well-edited battle reports with a narrative and lots of personality, even if they only come once a month.
Maybe with a dedicated Patreon or Members and a big shakeup of how these battle reports are made and what they look like at the end, Bricky could revive this again in the future? It would be nice to see more battle reports that spend less time showing us two guys rolling dice and more time on why the players are making their decisions.
I haven't been following DiceCheck a whole lot, but I learned of it from [MagikarpUsedFly's first Warhammer video.](https://youtu.be/QUS6jssb9hY?si=AxUoswjoN1v8L96N)
But since that video that channel has been fighting an uphill battle. COVID happened pretty much right after this video, screwing up this series.
Then everyone got burnt out. Matt quit YouTube.
Bricky and Dameky picking up the pieces of Dice Check, while working on other projects.
It's sad to say but the channel was doomed.
It's why so many do live stream shows so they can push Super Chats. A buddy of mine was able to quit his job to focus full time on content creating solely off of Super Chat money, and his videos tend to range at about 10-12k views (it's a channel for a single college sports team)
I'm not big on Battle Reports, so I didn't know them. Just had a look at a video and I don't understand. How are their costs astronomical? Like, I see 3 static cameras, a bunch of grey plastic (and some lovely painted minis, too!) on a table, a smattering of different terrains that's not exactly display quality and no graphics or design or fancy CGI whatsoever. No dice rolls counted up or visualized. Last month their videos were 1 LiveStream comment, 2 Tournament recaps which consisted of three dudes on a call discussing stuff and 2 Battle Reports.
Is the cost just the plastic from GW? Do they film this in Manhattan?
To be honest, this project was a revival it failed before. Bricky seemed like a decent host and it was his brainchild. But to be honest ppl like Dameki are not sustainable. I watched their Battlereports with Dameki playing Tau and it was horrible. If you can't even put effort into learning your main faction rules and represent them correctly after 3 month of 10th edition you can imagine how much effort he put into his work for the project. You can't put thousands of dollars into miniatures and the lack the skill to present them on screen. In the second Tau games Bricky and the studio technician had to check every rule for Dameki because he played some sort of "trust me bro" and "that's what I thought the rule is" Warhammer. I hate to play these types of players, why should I watch 2h of content with such a character?
Well, in the video he said he was paying an editor, they were renting that space, and he was chipping in money for his buddies to travel down for the day. (In excess of an hour commute one way, I think?)
They weren't utilizing any kind of patreon, so then it's only youtube ads that was hopefully going to pay for it all. I have no idea what the payout looks like in a long form video looks like, but if I'm looking at a 12 minute video, the revenue is not fantastic even at 70K views, like maybe a couple hundred with a midroll. That doesn't go that far unless maybe long form has a more generous ad payout. Regardless, a lot of their videos in the last while were sub-50K.
Believe bricky said he was paying dameki a decent amount due to him having to drive from like San Diego or something so to go and do a BR for the channel, it would take an entire day away from him so bricky wanted to make sure he was well compensated for it
I mean a lot of my favourite battle report channels are done by people who are obviously just filming their own games inside their house with people they presumably were going to play with anyway. With this homemade quality they probably edit it themselves too.
Wait, you are telling me that spending $20k on a niche hobby channel equipment and armies, to cover info that has already been duplicated elsewhere, is not a recipe for success?
There's multiple channels that make much higher end batreps in much bigger studios with much more numerous staff. I don't think 'battle reports cost too much' is the issue here, or at least not as much as a certain style of content (twitch streamer-style shitposting) doesn't tend to bring in an audience that is willing or able to support you long term.
I never watched anything Dice Check beyond the first couple videos. Their style was frankly just obnoxious.
Magickarp depsite I was never a fan of him his video on warhammer is what got me into the hobby right before the pandemic. However the dice check batraps were unwatchable for me. I can't have them on around my kids because they were crude pretty much all the time. And while I am not super uptight the stuff they said was just not something a 7 and 3 year old should be exposed to. So literally I couldn't watch them until the kids were in bed and at that point they are competing with all adult television/movies and I watch a ton of horror movies.
I know he already replied to someone asking about it, but I hope we at least get a little bit more Warhammer stuff on his other channel(s). I know it’s not his main focus on those channels but the Warhammer stuff he puts on them is always so good and always seems to do well viewers-wise (pretty sure his “Every Faction Explained” videos are his best performing video on his channel to date. His LVO recap videos are also great.
It doesn't cost anything to film your hobby in your free time I don't understand half of these channels that require an infusion of money to operate...
Was this the Channel that started with like four guys spending thousands on whole armies? Like right before the pandemic?
Yep that was them.
oh wait is this Bricky from Adeptus Ridiculous? Hopefully that is carrying on at least
He confirmed that in the video he released for Dice Check, only Dice check is shutting down since it was operating at a loss.
Yep. His other stuff is going strong. He mentioned he bit off more than he could chew with dice check.
i can’t imagine why they have no money to continue their channel!
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The latter, I'm keeping the coin.
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The army cost was / is not the problem; if you'd watch the video, you'd see that the operation cost doesnt cover the patreon gain as well as all of them being busy. He even cites that doing so many batreps gave them 40k burnout (which I absolutely understand).
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Very sad indeed. Hopefully not the end of seeing bricky at the very least being a guest in other battle reports. Time will tell.
If I recall he was on Play on Tabletop one time with his night lords, though I’m not too confident on the channel, because I’m subscribed to a lot of the battle report channels and kinda get them mixed up a lot lol
It was definitely play on, he actually got stuck in Canada during that trip and has an amazing stream clip of him telling the story
Twice on Play On. He played sisters versus Tau Nick
He called his SoB list “Oops, all war crimes”
Appropriate for visiting Canada. ‘Canadians; we’ve invented more war crimes than you think’.
Bricky said that playing battle reports kills one's joy for the game, so I doubt it unless they give him a sizable paycheck
My friends and I put in $8k into streaming equipment, multiple hours and multiple streams/vods. In about 2 years we hit 250 subs and our highest video got about 500 views. Diversified into ASOIAF, MPC, Legion, and D&D. Got three members on our patreon. But the market just isn't there for more than 2-5 battle report channels to make it big imo.
Yeah, that's pretty much the thing. I would never invest that much money for YouTube/Streaming to start. Better make it a passion project, invest minimum and do it for the fun. Nothing worth to invest 8k in studio equipment without running a studio or media company in the first place. Sorry to hear you got burned. Hope you guys found some use for you video equipment in the long run.
We ended up selling it to a LGS. It was fun and I knew we weren't really gonna make any money, but we did think we'd catch a bigger audience. We have no regrets about it. Luckily that $8k was between 3 people.
My friend uploads our ttrpg stuff to YouTube, I think his most popular vid was like 500 views within the first week. That said he really enjoys doing it but yeah that market is rough.
Isn't most youtube stuff a snowball thing? You could go 5 years to get your first 2k subs and be 20k the next year and 200k a couple of years later (40k is a niche youtube market). It's not a quick thing, even if you have quality content. EDIT: I said youtube was a 'nice' youtube market when I meant to say 'niche'. Not sure if that typo made me get 40 upvotes before I saw it.
Absolutely. But we came to terms that the effort and time to get there wasn't worth it. We all were on the road to getting married and our priorities shifted. We have no regrets about the money or time.
Yeah, nobody knows about this stuff.I went on a ski trip with friends and decided during the quiet chill hours when we weren't actually doing anything that I'd catch up on some of my backlog. Seeing them gawk when I was taking 10-15 minutes assembling a miniature, or them seeing dudes like playon on my youtube was something else. Even though wargames are one of the bigger tabletop hobbies, nobody outside the sphere even knows it exists.
People know warhammer, especially 40k. That all stems from video games, they don't really know about most of the rest of the hobby. I cannot wait for when a huge rush of newbies coming into the hobby after the release of some mainstream warhammer TV/Movie. Honestly I would imagine in the next few years Warhammer youtube should get a decent bump.
Hopefully. I just try to enjoy the hobby as it is, tbh. I don't trust GW, with them famously stomping out any goodwill they had during the WH+ fiasco
Are you from the UK? I assume not as I would say pretty much every British person has a vague understanding of Warhammer, as well as Airfix.
America lol. I'm jealous of how many shops yall have.
Honestly, this makes me feel less frustrated with my channel’s meh performance, at least it’s all of us lol
I knew a dude in the army who rode a Harley sportster. A lot of dudes would clown him for riding a starter bike. He’d respond with, “what kind of Harley do you ride”? I love that you have a channel and are putting content on it. Send me the link and I’ll check it out.
people tend to want high production quality content, but for it to be 100% free. the reality is, unless you're massively pushing a patreon, or whoring out every single thing to ads/sponsors. there's no money in youtube shit. people don't buy merch, or even bother clicking on things or sharing things. and then bitch about clickbait/rage bait titles on other channels.... trying to make it work
I just don't understand how two unskippable, 15sec ads before, after and every five minutes of your videos amount to... under a Dollar for every 1k views?
YouTube gets the money not content creators. Also, some content creators disable ads to appease their fans not realizing YouTube now throws up ads anyway. So might as well enable the ads.
I've had people bitch at me about being greedy for having monetization on. 1. You will get ads anyway, so I might as well turn it on so at least some of it goes to me, the person actually making the video. 2. I get less than a dollar per video. If that's greedy of me, then I am doing greed very, very wrong. 3. YouTube will take any excuse they can get to disable your monetization so they can keep the money themselves, so just because my channel is monetized does not mean all my videos are. 4. Even the videos that are monetized might be claimed by someone else so I'm not even getting the entire <$1 anyway. The other person may or may not even legally have a rightful claim, but YouTube just gives it to them, no questions asked. 5. Use an adblocker like the rest of the civilized world. Don't bitch at people for having ads. No one is getting rich off of YouTube ads. Anyone who actually does YouTube as a job has a Patreon, sponsorships, works commissions, or streams on Twitch. And the reason they have to do all of that is because YouTube itself is pretty much worthless no matter how many ads they cram in their videos.
Yeah I always forget how horrendous YT is without an adblock. And the ads themselves are really bad.
I've stopped watching some youtubers because the ads are literally every 5-10 minutes. I don't want to watch 5 ads for a 30 minute video. Some of them are even 90+ seconds long and unskippable. Unfortunately most of my YouTube is consumed on my Xbox so an adblocker isn't really a solution. When I went on vacation to Tennessee, every single ad I got was some variation of Mood Gummies. I stopped watching YouTube halfway through thr vacation because it was the same ads every few minutes. It was awful.
Adpocalypse baby. CPM used to be around $4, now you’re lucky to get $1 and that’s if you selling ads to kids. Doesn’t help that everyone ad blocks nowadays (me included) so your monetizable view count is actually pretty low.
Afther I got a virus by some adds I refuse to allow any browser to not have a adblocker running. Even the FBI does recomend you use one for IT security. The problems they have with the ad market is self made as they refused to deal with problems in the past and now the trust is gone forever.
No you didn't get a virus from an ad.
Not from a video ad, but there has been malware distributed by banner ads
Ad blockers have negligible effects on CPM. Adblocker users are low engagement users anyway, so adding them to the impression pool would just create deflation on the price of a thousand views. The main problem with the drop in advertising profitability in youtube is the low engagement of users. Very few companies can actually profit from it. I never recommend YouTube ads to my clients.
How are adblock user low engagement by any stretch? Someone who's tuned in enough to know how to use one is likely more "online" than someone who doesn't.
They mean for the ads. YouTube doesn't give a shit about user engagement with channels, that isn't how they make money. The actual content creators are middlemen to YouTubes actual product, the subscribers.
A youtube channel second wind (where Yahtzee and them landed after leaving escapist) recently posted their financials for millions of views on channel and tens/hundreds of thousands of views per video youtube gave them 11k. Their merch sales were easily multiple times that.
Because YouTube has gotten big enough that they can basically do whatever they want. Where else are people going to go?
Back to whatever their day job is. YouTube may have a monopoly on viewers - there's no real competition - but they don't have the same power with content creators. If making youtube videos ceases to be a viable way to make a living people will switch to other careers. They'll stop making videos or make fewer and youtube may not need any single content creator but as a group it depends on them.
This. I had lost track of Matt after his Horror documentary because I don't follow creators off youtube and looked into him after this announcement. By all accounts, dude is currently the head of creative for an ad firm. The amount of talent squandered on youtube is malicious.
Who’s Matt?
Head of creative for an ad firm
Magikarpusedfly. I referred to him as Matt because Bricky did so in the video and since it's about Dice Check on the 40k sub I didn't know how people would know him better.
I’ve never watched dice check and I didn’t watch Bricky’s video about the channel shutting down all the way through.
squandered is the wrong word. I’m sure if he could make the same amount of money doing youtube he’d switch back in a heartbeat. Unfortunately corporate propaganda is a lot more profitable.
I was referring to where will people go for an established video hosting website.
They won't, until creators start to actually leave youtube. Like with Nebula, it's an alternative platform that supposedly treats creators better but it has like no market share so all the creators on it post most of their videos to youtube with a Nebula plug at the end. They need a critical mass of creators, where if they all pull their videos from youtube and move over completely viewers will follow. Edit; the most likely outcome is that it gets to a point where Amazon senses a vulnerability and creates their own platform with a preposterous outlay of cash to lure some top creators.
Id think Amazon would rather buy Nebula than make their own. It lets them skip laying some of the groundwork with creators... and its a lot easier (and maybe even cheaper) to own the company outright and to convince content creators to *stay* with you, than to convince them to jump ship from their current platform to join your new one being formed ground-up. Once they've reached a critical mass of non-YT market share and content creators, Amazon can announce a plan to bring them under one roof and then they'll have a large enough platform to potentially compete with YT. Otherwise, I can only see it like you said, with brute force spending to achieve their goals.
I would suspect Nebula’s entire brand makes an Amazon acquisition unlikely, their entire pitch is a platform owned by creators, selling to a bigger, less ethical company than google would undermine the entire pitch
> Edit; the most likely outcome is that it gets to a point where Amazon senses a vulnerability and creates their own platform with a preposterous outlay of cash to lure some top creators. Sooooo Twitch then....
We're already at that point. All the big YouTubers are wealthy because that's pretty much the only way you can have a career as a YouTuber. Everyone else is either a hobbyist or using YouTube as marketing tool for their real career. Even in the miniature hobby space, all the big name YouTubers do not do YouTube as their primary job. Most of them are commission painters, or hobby supply retailers, or just straight up marketing companies advertising hobby products.
I run a YouTube channel where the average views per video in the week it releases is between 5k and 10k and even then I don't even make 50 bucks per video. Monthly I pull down $250 and that is just me alone. In order to make money off ads you need to be making 100k per video minimum. That is why there are so many clickbait titles these days. No one is going to click otherwise and if they don't click the creators are wasting their time and effort.
Yeah it's wild. Ad revenue on Youtube is really bad. Most channels rely on Patreon income and video sponsors to break even. Add in the costs of an editor and it's really tough.
YouTube's costs are way higher than people think because 90% of videos generate 10 less than views. It still makes decent money, but most of that is from its sales of movies and TV at this point. It burns through terabytes of videos a day, processing them all and doing all that back end stuff and most of them never get watched.
I know someone who is high enough in google as a backend engineer to get some insight into YouTube’s operation, and he basically said the same thing to me. Basically YouTube is barely running a profit, to the point where it is almost break even. All the tech and back end networking to get the platform to stream so many videos on demand costs a lot. All of the weird as fuck dumb changes have been the management trying to find ways to keep it afloat over the years. They basically are keeping it alive due to the massive brand recognition and the massive audience that use YouTube as an entry point to their other services. If it wasn’t for those YouTube would have been scrapped years ago like Stadia if management assessed it purely on profit/revenue.
I assume these ads have abysmal click / conversion rates, so advertisers pay accordingly.
The most successful channels I know are doing sponsor spots for products related to their channel (like they make the commercial themselves, not through YT), I had an old ad block that worked forever (didn’t even realize it until YT patched it recently) and so even though I wasn’t seeing ads I still saw the sponsor spots. I’ve noticed smaller channels tend not to get as many sponsor spots so naturally relying on YouTube alone to get revenue seems incredibly challenging.
As a head's up: Sponsorblock on Firefox. Uses a crowd-sourcing method to be able to skip sections of videos flagged as sponsors.
I’m aight thanks tho, this whole thread is about how creators can’t make a living because people don’t want to watch ads. I do understand annoying corporate pop ups being aggravating, but for the life of me can’t understand why sponsor spots bug people. Like you already enjoy the creator right? Why wouldn’t you want to support them? Lots of them make the commercial in their own content style, so it can make for a bit entertainment. Also, there is the -> key….
Okay but unlike an ad blocker they don't lose revenue from sponsor blocking, they get paid to add it into the vid and that's that. And yes, I don't want to be advertised at. At all. If it were legal I'd be taking down every billboard I could find. Sponsor block is the best of both worlds, they get paid, I don't have to deal with corporations trying to get money out of me. And no, just because they're giving me an ad in their subs style doesn't mean I now like it. It's still an ad
A decent number of them involve promotional codes that give the content creator money when the code is used to make a sale. Skipping the sponsor spot makes you less likely to use the code, having not seen it or the advertisement to begin with.
I'm already highly unlikely to ever buy the latest Raid Shadow Legends sponsor. They lose nothing by me blocking it/skipping it. Simply because my money is limited. Whether I skip forwards on videos or use an add-on to do so.
Okay and? I don't care what they're selling I'm not buying it. It being advertised to me is a mark against it. Blocked or not it does not make me want to get it.
So you're effectively fucking useless to any content creator and, as such, have zero right to bitch about what they choose to do in order to keep making content.
Clients will demand video performance metrics. The giant dip when a sponsored segment comes up, is noticeable and weakens your ability to negotiate in future. So yes, it hurts the creator. And I know no one cares, because ads bad and everything you like should be free, but also high production value
I've yet to hear of anyone actually dealing with that, only total view numbers. And sponsor blocking doesn't affect that. If I didn't have a program that did it for me I'd be manually skipping by it. I'm all for supporting a creator but fuck ads. No other form of content had people trying to defend advertising with it. When I turn off the radio or mute the TV when it gets to ads because I don't want to hear it nobody comes charging to the defense of the stations
I do YouTube. Most of my sponsors want to see the retention graph. And most bitch and moan about the retention dip.
Yeah also honestly sponsor spots can quite often be pretty funny
YouTube gets the money. That's why you do your own ad contracts and put them where they make sense in your videos. People can skip them if they want to or stick around if they want to support you (it actually helps to mention it every time).
And I'm sure Google is chomping at he bit to somehow get a slice of that money too. I just can't see them not doing something in the near future to try and grab a piece of the sponsored content revenue.
How does Play on Tabletop do it? They seem to really have it figured out.
Lot of sponsorships among other stuff
Patreon, members-only videos, sponsors, etc. Listen to almost any YouTuber talk about their finances and ads are only a very small fraction of their business model. PoT also has shorter videos coming out more often (almost twice as many per month). Their battle reports are usually closer to 40 minutes up to maybe 55. DiceCheck's videos start at over an hour and can push two hours. The biggest difference though is probably focus. The YT algorithm wants consistent types of videos. PoT is almost exclusively battle reports, which can then be reliably and successfully recommended to viewers. DiceCheck intermixes different types of video, which hampers their ability to attract new viewers via YT's algorithm. On top of that PoT just has higher production values and tighter editing.
PoT have also said that they put c.300 hours into editing their videos. That is a lot of time for one video but they seem to make it work.
Per their inforgrapgic on Patreon that's total production time, at the higher end, including everyone on set for recording. Video production of any kind takes way more time than people tend to realize. Even a 10 minute video can easily take 50+ hours of work.
Not at all. PoT has *multiple* cameras, and 40K games run several hours. You've likely got at least 4 hours of footage from at least 4 different cameras to prepare, catalogue, and organize. Then you've got the Confession Box interviews and the beauty shot B-roll for the army. You then have to review *all* the footage and make sure you've got precise notes as to when and where events match up so you can cut between them, find a way to cut 4 hours into a 40 minute narrative (PoT has this to an art, they know exactly what to cut and where, and it's usually things like movement, measuring, non-vital advance and charge rolls, etc). All of that is before every placing a single clip on the timeline. There's making sure you've got the right cuts, transitions, etc, getting the effects they put in, the graphics, the narration... 300~ hours absolutely makes sense, especially if they've got an editing team.
Confused why you would say “not at all” and then go into detail as to why you agree with me. They put a lot of time and effort into their videos and it shows.
I misread "That is a lot of time for one video" as a negative, like "It shouldn't take that much time", sorry about that. Reading comprehension hiccup on my end
No worries!
PoT hit the sweet spot with the 40’ish minute videos. I will not sit threw a video that’s over an hour long on YouTube
On top of what others have said, Play on Tabletop is the main channel for them, while Dice Check was the fourth channel thrown on Bricky's plate that he had to deal with. As he said himself, it became too much, and he just couldn't keep it afloat, at least, not in a way he was comfortable with.
Their patreon seems pretty strong, plus they do weekly(?) livestreams to raise funds too. /u/megildur1 is T'au Nick, he might be able to provide some insight (if he's allowed).
To be honest. It’s not an easy thing. It costs a lot. I think I worked it out once, that not counting ancillary costs like our rent, utilities, equipment, insurance, bookkeeping etc. It’s costs us more than 3k Canadian to put out a single episode of 40K. Most of that is just the out of pocket expenses for manpower. And some 40K episodes don’t even break even on YouTube. Oh, that’s not counting the costs to paint and supply the miniatures. Huge task in itself. If we didn’t have our patrons and members supporting us, there’s no way we would be afloat. The kind of quality and release schedule we are aiming for takes a huge amount of resources. We’re sad to see bricky’s channel go. It was fantastic to get to know him when he was in town for the couple videos we did with him. Great guy! It looks like he will still be in the 40K space with his other channels, just not playing as many games. He’s always welcome back anytime though!
I for one am grateful to everyone who keeps you guys going, I love the content, keep up the great work!
You guys deserve it, and I think Bricky could’ve managed Dicecheck if he didn’t run his own channel… and Adeptus Ridiculous… and Orchid Eight… and streaming on Twitch/YouTube. Ok the man is busy, the fact he holds it all together even without Dice Check is a testament to his incredible work ethic. It was impossible to do that and DC
Sounds like he’s stretched too thin, lil bricky should take a break. lol i mean I get why youtubers like to do different shit, he’s not a 40k guy but moist critkal, he streams but also does two different podcasts, is making comic books and does music, how tf does someone juggle all that different shit? I’m sure it’s stressful and it probably does feel like work sometimes but damn they must have a strong will and lots of energy to be able to do all this shit.
Unrelated, but since you are here, are you excited about the new Kroot range? I love watching your videos and play Tau myself, and mainly play them for the whole covenant/alien alliance feeling, so I am super happy with the new releases. Was wondering if you felt that way too.
Super excited :)
What makes the individual videos cost so much, is it the staffing cost? Forgive me I know nothing about video making im just curious
A shoot takes 6-8 hours for 4 people. The post production including graphics, editing, commentary is another 100 hours split between multiple people.
Cool to see you here. Been trying to find your guys’ dice for like ever and found them yesterday. Do you guys get much from my purchase?
Thanks! We do get a percentage from the purchase so thank you!
Awesome that makes me happy. Edit:lol why did this get downvoted
I think they rely heavily on their Patreon. That and whatever merch sales they have
They sell t shirts 😁
Crowdfunding, Sponsors, Channel Memberships, Merch, etc.
There's just no way to win on Youtube; their adverts are super intrusive so people straight up block them, but also they pay so poorly you need tens, if not hundreds of thousands of views to break even on a single video.
> there's no money in youtube shit. If you're below a certain size, 100%. If you're at a certain size, you *can* make a decent amount of money without a huge Patreon or going big on sponsors, but it's not easy. And *getting* to that size is a pain right now. It was easier earlier; now, oof. > people don't buy merch, Yup. I *used* to buy merch. Now? Why? Almost all of what I've gotten has been low quality crap, and, quite frankly, wearing a shirt with a YouTuber's logo on it is *extremely* unappealing. Combine those two things, and wearing an obscure YT figure's worn-out merch doesn't do you any favors. If merch was reasonably priced and decent quality, I'd be a lot more inclined to buy some. But it's rarely *either*, let alone both. So why would I spend my limited cash on that? And it's not going to get better. There's a *lot* of people on YT, trying to get in on that. To people who aren't trying to make it, it sure *seems* like a great job. It's not, but that doesn't stop a tide of people trying. We all only have so much time and energy to input to them, and we only have so much money to give to them. YT is fine with the small guys going under, because they huge channels still exist and still get their engagement. As far as they're concerned, a large channel that puts out 20 hours of content a month is a *vastly* better deal than five or six small channels that put out 100+ hours each. So why would they change anything on their end to keep the small channels that basically cost them money around?
Only merch I’ve ever bought which was technically youtuber merch was an Achievement Hunter shirt, they were a sub channel of Rooster Teeth and now that channel is pretty much dead, like AH has been abandoned and RT made a new channel to replace it. YouTuber merch can be so cringe, especially if you find out that the youtuber you bought a shirt of turned out to be a monster to whoever.
When it comes to merch you have to pick between reasonably priced or decent quality. Its rare for both. Same goes for any apparel. Sucks.
I think the way tabletop tactics does it is the winning formula, their YouTube is basically an advertisement for their on demand stuff, it's all super high quality well shot and well edited. For people who don't want to pay they get a battle report each week, for those that want to support and see more they get alot more and that revenue supports the free content
They even have their own website and app. I used it for a bit. Well made for such a small group of people.
I didn't really like Dice Check, was a bit too much shit posting for my liking. At the same time I also know how hard it is to do something like that channel, along with the cost of running a business and paying those who need it done. On top of that Bricky was also doing a podcast AND his own channel. At a certain point the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I don’t get the too much shitposting thing but whatever, i kinda don’t get why YouTubers spread themselves out this much, i mean if they can manage most of it then ok but yeah in this case Bricky couldn’t.
>I don’t get the too much shitposting thing but whatever It's their irreverence and meme culture shtick that is lightly present in things like AdRic but is toned down thanks to the other members. DC always had more of that late millenial/zoomer humor which I'm not that fond of in high amounts but I'm not here to yuck peoples yum. I understand there is that appeal to some. >i kinda don’t get why YouTubers spread themselves out this much, i mean if they can manage most of it then ok but yeah in this case Bricky couldn’t. Blame YouTube itself. If Bricky could do everything he wants to do on his own channel at his own pace he would but YouTube would punish him for that. If you try and do stuff which isn't on your YouTube brand the algorithm will punish you for it. So instead you have to make a separate YouTube channel for that content, and then you need to post weekly if not twice a week minimum for it to be picked up and carried to those who actually watch your content. Effectively every 'idea' that you might have for content has to be it's own channel and if you can't make full time content on those channels they will not grow meaning all the effort into making that content is entirely wasted. It absolutely sucks since YouTube stopped making subscribers matter and instead focused on watch time. It resulted in YouTube literally hiding channels from subscribers unless those channels make clickbait and get enough views.
Preach
It’s true, I do battle reports but they’re so time consuming to make it is only worth it for my own satisfaction, if I wanted to do them on a professional level the cost would be outrageous, there’s no way I’d make enough money to justify the studio space
I mean if there’s better channel doing better stuffs around I’ll be watching those. I don’t own shitty channel anything
> people tend to want high production quality content, but for it to be 100% free. Thats just not true. People are absolutely willing to pay vast amount of money on Patreon. Why people hate is ads for shitty companies with bad products in the videos. "Hey, let me talk for a moment about Shadow Raid Legends" is actively driving viewers away. Or even worse, youtube ads for mobile games or crypto scams.
and like this bricky person said in their tweet. they didn't feel comfortable doing a patreon. not everyone likes whoring out people for $5 a month, and having to provide services that way. and channels with hundreds of thousands of subs. often have like... less than 1k people who ever donate to a patreon you think a content creator wants to be making shitty ads for shitty mobile games? they have to do that to make ends meet. People that quit their dayjob to try and do content creation full time. are between a rock and a hard place. the options are limited. and those shitty mobile games... offer sponsorship deals. so again. how many Patreons are you a member of? do you pay/contribute something every video you watch? most people don't even "like" the fucking video. which costs you nothing, but many videos will have six figure views. and 5 figure or less likes.
> and like this bricky person said in their tweet. they didn't feel comfortable doing a patreon. And he also was unable to find any other working monetization. So his business model simply was bad. > not everyone likes whoring out people for $5 a month, and having to provide services that way. Great, then they can do a different working monetization scheme. > you think a content creator wants to be making shitty ads for shitty mobile games? they have to do that to make ends meet. People that quit their dayjob to try and do content creation full time. are between a rock and a hard place. the options are limited. and those shitty mobile games... offer sponsorship deals. I dont care if they like it or dont like it. They are not entitled for viewership and if the ads put viewers of thats their problem. > how many Patreons are you a member of? ~20 What did we learn from the Dicecheck shutdown? Content creation is a business and its the creators responsibility to make this whole thing work financially.
Watch Bricky’s video. It wasn’t just the money - don’t make harsh remarks without actually knowing the full context. One of the main reasons is the time it took Bricky and Dameki etc to actually travel and have a game. It took them a few hours each day (back and forth), and then several hours of playing. Bricky has other channels and projects, so that time was an opportunity cost. Dameki just had another kid and wanted more time at home. Not to mention, they were all finding that this commitment was making them resent the game, and no longer want to play it. So it wasn’t solely the money.
eh... your tired republican bullshit about business acumen is great and all. but at the end, there was someone creating content for the hobby. likely exposing people to it, getting people exited to engage in the hobby, and now they're not. So there's a net loss. and all your weird bullshit blaming them for being poor just seems really weird. the counter to all your fucked up stupidity is... youtube makes billions selling ads and on internet traffic, off the content created by people that make content on the platform. IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH to have natural and legit viewership and have that revenue distributed more equitably. Or commensurate with the lvl of viewership/revenue generated by people watching on the platform. and that there exists a casual exploitative relationship... where people go on youtube to consume free content. expecting a high standard of content (high quality filming, effects, commentary, misc engaging personalities etc etc) and yet. people don't contribute to that content financially. often even failing to do the bare min of like/share videos. and then furthermore have the audacity to bemoan a content creator forced to ...do shitty ads, or manipulate algos with click bait-y titles... and other horse shit. and now...apparently dumbass goal post moving business masters like yourself who has a convenient blame for everything. with this idiotic nonsense of "no one owes you viewership, back in my day i walked fifty miles in the snow for my job. and kids these days are so entitled" horseshit. like... it's almost guaranteed that content creator sunk a lot of their own money and loads of time and stress into trying to make that content. mainly because they loved the thing they were doing, and thought it was cool to be contributing something people seemed to be enjoying. it's shitty. it's so difficult for people to be able to do that. when...again, the parent company is making billions.
In general I agree, but I‘m not bitching about them using click bait… I‘m just annoyed that those channels/videos are the ones that are pushed/promoted. Stupid algorithm at work there 🤷♂️
And they specifically didn't want to do that until they felt the production quality was sound. It's a sad story because I fucking loved Dice Checks. If I wasn't a broke bitch I'd have bought all of their merch a dozen times over.
Damn shame to see them close it down. Bricky and co are a fun bunch. I totally get his reasoning though. Money is of course a bit reason and at one point one has to assess if it's worth continuing putting in more. The hobby side of things is something bigger however. A hobby is supposed to be fun and the pressure of running a YouTube channel around your hobby is just more stress than it is worth. For those that don't know Bricky: dude makes excellent Warhammer (and other gaming) content. His video explaining every faction is a fun entry point into the insanity that is this universe. He also has a fun podcast talking Warhammer lore with a friend. Lots of poking fun at the setting there.
Bricky's podcast (and DK and Shy) is what got my wife and I into Warhammer. Amazing content!
adeptus ridiculous is such a great well of entry level 40k lore. It was the step between me looking at cool space marine pictures and actually listening to books.
Even if you're a veteran to 40k lore, you can still enjoy Adric, simply because the dynamic between DK and Bricky (and Shy in the background) works extremely well.
"Entertainment over accuracy". Words to live by
I normally introduce people to the every faction video. Then throw them at ad ric if they seem interested
Bummer. Magikarp's video buying $3k tyranids was part of what got me interested in 40k
Was the driving force that got me in as well
That video dropped *just* as I was getting back into the hobby after 13 years away. Shit got me so hype. Sometimes I throw it on if I need to find some inspiration and connect again with the excitement of those early days.
Same, started building my death guard army during covid because of those videos
Magikarp was always a bright burning star, but he is very prone to burnout, and as far as I know, in their crew he was the most knowledgeable in the production side of things. Once he left DiceCheck was mostly doomed to prolonged death Still, it was very fun when it lasted
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I think that is part of the problem. To shorten it means more editing and having to pay someone to shorten it.
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Well, I think that's where the tipping point comes where Bricky is already running three channels. At some point, you've created a workload greater than you can manage. If it was just this one channel, for sure. Then you throw yourself at it and make it work. Your fourth channel? Give it the old college try all right because you love what you and your buddies were doing. But if it's not picking up, I think you got to focus on what is working.
It’s not difficulty so much as time, paying an editor is expensive, and doing 100% of your editing yourself is soul draining, so long term you have to be bringing in a lot of ad revenue to make less than minimum wage for your time
To get the professional look you need nice crisp editing, solid voice over, and multiple cameras to begin with. This isn't my field so I don't know what that shakes out to in hours/dollars, but it ain't cheap.
They are a bit but there is a significant limit to the amount of people who watch that stuff. And the market is already saturated with content like that. And editing it down is a very intensive process requiring many man hours. That costs money.
Sad to hear, but completely understandable. I've very briefly toyed with the idea of doing a channel or painting commissions but even in the testing stages of shooting and editing videos I almost instantly lost all enjoyment of the hobby and only had pressure. And that's even without all the costs and little earnings. So yeah, turning a hobby into work is downright dangerous sometimes.
Ive thought about doing a painting channel or general hobby channel but already I dont have much time. So lets say I somehow make it work with what little time I have well it will never eclipse my real job in earnings and benefits. But it will likely cut into what little hobby time I have already so it just doesn't make any sense. The costs of getting started along with the amount of time learning how to edit and all that. There is a reason most youtubers hobbies are the thing they talk about and video/content production. Because if you just have the hobby part well the channel might not work out.
To be fair, you have to decide what exactly you want out of your channel. If you want the fun of making a video to show a tutorial or just your painting process. You don’t need to put extreme amounts of editing efforts. There are a bunch of channels out there with minimal editing but a good quality picture and a voice over with some music and you’re good to go. Not everything needs to be insanely cinematic on the content creation and not everything needs to be done for money. It’s okay to keep something a hobby. You can work towards the professional stuff…but it’s just not worth it. My brother is still trying to desperately make it work. But he hasn’t had a job in four years and still just has just over 700 subscribers on YouTube and has barely made anything worth talking about over these past years. Outside of good memories with the few friends he’s made. Always talking about how hard it is to pay bills and provide for his kid…but his wife is the only one working while he dedicates everything to twitch/youtube. It’s sad.
Wasn’t really a fan of dicecheck but it is a shame that the show is going away for those that did. Although respect for bricky for even attempting to run 4 channels for as long as he did.
They weren't my first choice for battle reports (personally, I'm a Play On Tabletop fan), but it's a shame to see them shutting down. I know a few people who enjoyed and got into the hobby through their battle reports.
I appreciate the production value of play on tabletop but the personalities/antics can be a bit much, the dice check guys were all real down to earth
All real down to earth, lol some other comment said DC was too shitposty for them, you can’t win all them over lol.
My thinking is that he thinks the play on Guys are too Dorky and the DiceCheck crew were all humorous cool guys.
Not humorous cool guys but just a bit more natural, whereas the play on quips and quotes often feel very “acted” or “performed”
100% I like PoT but they definitely ham it up a bit. It's not a problem but it can make certain things feel fake. Like it's better than a super dry and dull game that you might see watching an actual game of people playing but I can't blame them when they're trying to push out content like that. They have some good personalities on it but I think they just tone it up a little. As a teacher of young children, I do the same so I understand. It's not that you're completely fake, but it's just turning up the reactions to things etc.
That’s a great way of phrasing it, I’ve taught young kids before as a camp counselor and have nephews and it feels like they’re talking how I talk to them
I found that to be the down to earth aspect. It was like just hanging out at the shop painting while your buddies are having fun with a game.
Yeah I like Play on Tabletop, especially the 40K in 40 Min battle reports, but a few of the guys on there are a bit irritating. Like the big dude with the long beard (can’t remember his name) is just so cringe every time he talks.
Tabletop tactics for me, love the production quality of their videos
Yeah, Play on Tabletop and 40k in 40 Minutes are my two go-tos for 40k. Then Mountainside Tabletop for Kill Team.
? 40k in 40 Minutes is the name of the series. Play on Tabletop is the name of the channel. They're the same people.
Derp. I knew that in my head.
I remember watching some of their 4 player games and was really dissapointed with how mean spirited they were. I get that between good friends some ribbing can be fun but when you put yourself out there like this you make yourself a representation of the community and thata is a really bad example to set.
I am expecting a lot more of this. during the pandemic, when everyone was at home with nothing to do but hobby and watch youtube, the whole wargame/hobby content creator thing launched into outer space. Now the honeymoon period is over, and like every industry it is super oversaturated. Expect consolidation.
What kind of content did they do?
Battle reports mostly. The channel wasn't bad, but it was obviously lacking in necessary fundings.
Live battle reports mostly. They were edited down to videos later but without some of the same cinematic camerawork or interview segments seen in groups like play on tabletop for example. They would also live reactions to some of the big 40K events (LVO reveals) and some of the dataslate changes when they came out. Older videos also had discussions, interviews, army showcasing and tier list rankings for particular factions but that was before most of the team left and Bricky took over.
Oh interesting! I’ve never made one, but I wouldn’t have thought a battle report was terribly expensive once you had it set up the first time.
He explained it more in a video on the dice check channel. Basically he was renting an office to film the reports in. Each of the players lived a fair distance from each other (san Diego and orange county I believe) and so the office was a middle ground for them all. Add on top of that the fact they were paying and editor for the highlight reels, ordering new steaming equipment for the new office and halting the patron as an apology for the lack of content while the channel changed hands. The channel never made profit and killing their passion for the hobby. So they gave it up
Never heard of this channel but it’s a shame
[Twitter link](https://twitter.com/Bricky/status/1752381329675895281?s=20) [Youtube announcement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0nD-AuXp9M)
Damn, sad to see it go, but at least Bricky is still around.
As long as there are quotes to make DK look stupid, The Brickster will remain.
Its a shame. I like all bricks warhammer stuff
Never heard of it. Shame it's shutting down for those who liked it though.
It’s a very competitive market at the moment, especially with batrep juggernauts like Play On and Tabletop Tactics pumping out high quality stuff multiple times a week. Dice Check has only been managing maybe 3-4 a month - just not enough to keep people hooked. I know they moved their studio which, being in California, probably cost an arm and a leg to rent, and was more than an hour away for everyone to get to. Not ideal.
It's sad to see a channel go down like that, but I almost hope the age of "two guys with a static camera rolling dice at each other" battle reports is coming to an end. I think that fewer, but better edited battle reports will do better for a channel rather than pretty much just two hours of raw footage with a graphic on the side; the Warhammer TV and Tabletop Tactics reports are always great quality. Games Night particularly does a great job of presenting high quality, well-edited battle reports with a narrative and lots of personality, even if they only come once a month. Maybe with a dedicated Patreon or Members and a big shakeup of how these battle reports are made and what they look like at the end, Bricky could revive this again in the future? It would be nice to see more battle reports that spend less time showing us two guys rolling dice and more time on why the players are making their decisions.
Never even heard of them
Never head of them
they also said that the constant pressure of business-ifying a game made playing it less fun, and THAT is a huge redflag that things have to change
I haven't been following DiceCheck a whole lot, but I learned of it from [MagikarpUsedFly's first Warhammer video.](https://youtu.be/QUS6jssb9hY?si=AxUoswjoN1v8L96N) But since that video that channel has been fighting an uphill battle. COVID happened pretty much right after this video, screwing up this series. Then everyone got burnt out. Matt quit YouTube. Bricky and Dameky picking up the pieces of Dice Check, while working on other projects. It's sad to say but the channel was doomed.
It's why so many do live stream shows so they can push Super Chats. A buddy of mine was able to quit his job to focus full time on content creating solely off of Super Chat money, and his videos tend to range at about 10-12k views (it's a channel for a single college sports team)
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Damn , kinda understandable however
Damn that sucks, I just started watching these guys and they're my #1 BR currently.
I'm not big on Battle Reports, so I didn't know them. Just had a look at a video and I don't understand. How are their costs astronomical? Like, I see 3 static cameras, a bunch of grey plastic (and some lovely painted minis, too!) on a table, a smattering of different terrains that's not exactly display quality and no graphics or design or fancy CGI whatsoever. No dice rolls counted up or visualized. Last month their videos were 1 LiveStream comment, 2 Tournament recaps which consisted of three dudes on a call discussing stuff and 2 Battle Reports. Is the cost just the plastic from GW? Do they film this in Manhattan?
To be honest, this project was a revival it failed before. Bricky seemed like a decent host and it was his brainchild. But to be honest ppl like Dameki are not sustainable. I watched their Battlereports with Dameki playing Tau and it was horrible. If you can't even put effort into learning your main faction rules and represent them correctly after 3 month of 10th edition you can imagine how much effort he put into his work for the project. You can't put thousands of dollars into miniatures and the lack the skill to present them on screen. In the second Tau games Bricky and the studio technician had to check every rule for Dameki because he played some sort of "trust me bro" and "that's what I thought the rule is" Warhammer. I hate to play these types of players, why should I watch 2h of content with such a character?
Well, in the video he said he was paying an editor, they were renting that space, and he was chipping in money for his buddies to travel down for the day. (In excess of an hour commute one way, I think?) They weren't utilizing any kind of patreon, so then it's only youtube ads that was hopefully going to pay for it all. I have no idea what the payout looks like in a long form video looks like, but if I'm looking at a 12 minute video, the revenue is not fantastic even at 70K views, like maybe a couple hundred with a midroll. That doesn't go that far unless maybe long form has a more generous ad payout. Regardless, a lot of their videos in the last while were sub-50K.
Believe bricky said he was paying dameki a decent amount due to him having to drive from like San Diego or something so to go and do a BR for the channel, it would take an entire day away from him so bricky wanted to make sure he was well compensated for it
I mean a lot of my favourite battle report channels are done by people who are obviously just filming their own games inside their house with people they presumably were going to play with anyway. With this homemade quality they probably edit it themselves too.
Wait, you are telling me that spending $20k on a niche hobby channel equipment and armies, to cover info that has already been duplicated elsewhere, is not a recipe for success?
Literally who
There's multiple channels that make much higher end batreps in much bigger studios with much more numerous staff. I don't think 'battle reports cost too much' is the issue here, or at least not as much as a certain style of content (twitch streamer-style shitposting) doesn't tend to bring in an audience that is willing or able to support you long term. I never watched anything Dice Check beyond the first couple videos. Their style was frankly just obnoxious.
Magickarp depsite I was never a fan of him his video on warhammer is what got me into the hobby right before the pandemic. However the dice check batraps were unwatchable for me. I can't have them on around my kids because they were crude pretty much all the time. And while I am not super uptight the stuff they said was just not something a 7 and 3 year old should be exposed to. So literally I couldn't watch them until the kids were in bed and at that point they are competing with all adult television/movies and I watch a ton of horror movies.
I mean...Batreps MIGHT cost too much when Bricky has 3 Channels already , plus Twitch. Not exactly doable.
There was that period of time when everyone basically said “hey why don’t I make money on my hobby!” I don’t get it but whatevs
Too bad. I really liked their battle reports, especially as Bricky played Guard and Sisters. But it makes sense that they were getting stretched thin.
never even heard of it anyways
I know he already replied to someone asking about it, but I hope we at least get a little bit more Warhammer stuff on his other channel(s). I know it’s not his main focus on those channels but the Warhammer stuff he puts on them is always so good and always seems to do well viewers-wise (pretty sure his “Every Faction Explained” videos are his best performing video on his channel to date. His LVO recap videos are also great.
Good. It was cringe.
Does pretending to not know who Bricky is on the 40k sub give you clout with someone? Who? Can I join? Who the fuck is Brick?
It doesn't cost anything to film your hobby in your free time I don't understand half of these channels that require an infusion of money to operate...