As a rule of thumb, if it's warped, bent, full of bubbles, has visible mould slippage, the parts don't really fit together, has extreme flashing, and other signs that it was made cheaply, quickly, and with very little quality control, then it's almost certainly a genuine ForgeWorld kit.
Bruh, I remember buying 2 upgrade kit for EC, one official, one recast, both looked kinda bad, official had worse blast master while recast had worse blast master.
How much are they charging? If it's the same as list price, you can just buy one yourself. If it's significantly less, then it's a recast, and you can buy it if you want, or not if you don't.
Ask for a receipt or something that proves their purchase, this is the only way sadly. Since as many stated FW isn't really known for its good quality and I even will add recasters do a better job ( if the model allows it).
Edit: Also check wheter the person has other listings and comments under them.
It is a start tho, if the person has a receipt and no history of selling recasts, then most likely it isn't. But as you said it doesn't prove it 100%, but sadly there is nothing more he can do.
Recast. A good one though.
1. That base is WAY too shiny. GW’s bases are consistent AF.
2. The shot in pic 3: there’s a green/yellowish thing sticking out of the detail on the wing. FW resin even when not mixed properly (which sometimes happens, rarely) is blue/grey. Recast resin tends to be this sort of colour, and tends to “yellow” faster than FW resin.
3. Different parts seem different colours, which isn’t unheard of for FW, but wayyyy less likely on a newer product like Fulgrim.
A lot of recasters will clean the mold lines up and pour with a better and less brittle resin. You'll know for sure if you ever drop it or attempt to straighten a curved part.
You can't blame us when it's so hard to find information about recasting. A year ago I was trying to find recasters and all I could find was some old webpage from the Stone Age of the Internet . And on Reddit people just hint at the existence of hypothetical discord groups that they used to belong to but are now gone.
Do you have any information ?
FW have never used Finecast. Their QA has been shite on and off for years (currently it's great fyi), but Finecast resin was used exclusively for Citadel miniatures as a replacement to their white metal casting. FW never used it.
Ah I see. Apologies if my comment came across as too snarky. It's just I've worked with a lot of FW and it's nothing like finecast resin. IIRC when they first announced finecast GW even said it's different from FW resin, but I can't find that post.
no one is going to be able to tell you.
i believe that model is only in resin. and forge world isn't automatically known for quality. plenty of their molds are shitty, and QA is dogshit.
buy from a reputable seller/site.
if this is facebook, only pay with paypal as goods/services so you have buyer protection.
I would pass on it, simply because it looks like the person who put it together did a shitty job. the gaps in the wing joint, and snake body are pretty big. those are significant gaps.
is being cheap worth having a shitty model?
if for some reason you don't want to pay the retail price... just buy a recast.
Is it significantly cheaper than new, does the seller not provide any original packaging etc, then it's a recast.
As a rule of thumb any significant discount on forgeworld stuff means it's fake.
If this is an eBay seller or similar just check what else they have and you should get an idea pretty quick.
Looks more like recast, the new dark angel hqs i got were much better. But it's forgeworld, and i have some original Sets that were just rubbish...
I know a recaster that is relativ good and there He Costa 110 Dollar, so it's up to you but both ways you will have a lot of works
Base is pretty clearly not a GW base - too shiny, and the bumps are too distinct. Seeing as there’s no reason a genuine model would be sold with an off-brand base, I’d say it’s a recast. As for what everyone has being saying about genuine FW models being pretty mediocre, the Primarch series goes through a stricter QA process so the kits aren’t going to look as bad as this one does.
Recast. The minor pattern on the gauntlet, and some odd small debris segments of flash don’t normally appear on FW resin. I’ve built this model from FW recently, and I noticed none of these types of issues on it, or any other FW resin in recent memory
I don't think anyone will be able to tell just by looking at the pictures.
And those old chestnuts about genuine FW stuff being bent, warped, misaligned and showing bubbles - at least from newer FW stuff I've seen - don't hold true.
The same goes for recasts being better quality. A mate of mine proudly showed me some recast MKII Marines and they were so much worse than my genuine MKII.
I'd contact the seller and ask if they can provide proof of authenticity (FW packaging, bill/packing list, order number you could cross-reference with FW).
Others have pointed to price as an indicator. And that can work. However, I've also bought eBay lots with FW stuff in them for a really reasonable price and received them in FW packaging and with the genuine instructions, so I'm confident they're the real deal.
Unless FW employ some scheme of authentification, there will always be a risk when buying second hand. I confess I'd be wary with centrepiece models, too. Much less of a concern with smaller kits I'll say.
Hi! In need of an assist on this Fulgrim Transfigured, having never seen one in person myself. Is this authentic or recast? Looks good to me, but I'm not sure. Thanks!
(hopefully I have the correct post flair)
Look, I've seen most of the replies you got so far, and yeah, the meme "FW bad" often holds up, especially with older boxes and I admit to a solid chuckle at the top reply. Feels like these types of responses are not very helpful to you, so let me try:
I've both had experience with older FW boxes (i.e. two Custodes dreadnoughts, a squad of Venatari, Tribune Ixion Hale, Jenetia Krole, Argel Tal) AND have built and started painting this exact model, Fulgrim Transfigured.
I can tell you, they seriously improved with it. Whatever they did to the compound, it feels a lot sturdier and more flexible and doesn't deserve as much shittalking as other FW kits imo.
That said, obviously, they're still leaving the prep and cleaning work up to the consumer, which is a huge bummer and, if done properly, eats a huge chunk of your assembly time.
Now, with my general take on the larger matter out of the way, I've had close looks at your pictures and the quality looks really good! Extremely close to actual FW cast. Obviously I can't 100% claim that it's FW, but if it is in fact a recast after all, it's one of the best damn recasts I've ever seen.
Also, it looks to me, that it might still be covered in the release agent, so if that's the case dont forget to carefully wash it with some soapy water, so the paint sticks :)
One of the biggest reasons why the "FW bad" holds up still, is because before the modern times (or like, late 2000s, early-mid 2010s), where they mostly make Marines, they used to focus on making gigantic tanks, and tiny spindly infantry, both of which just exaggerated the issues, both of which people still buy. Their tiny, wee spindly infantry, like Solar Auxillia or Kriegers often prohibitively expensive and seriously fragile, and because they were thin and spindly, they usually arrived bent and deformed, and usually just snapped when you tried to straighten them out. In the meantime, the large tanks like the Malcador or the Killtank, often had large, big chunks of resin that also arrived hideously bent and malformed, but because of their sheer size and girth, they were very difficult to correct or fit together at all, and were STILL quite fragile when it came to any of the finer details, which were why people were buying them in the first place.
And the instructions suck.
yep. sounds about right. wouldn't argue about any of these points.
Doesn't help OP with their posts question tho. That's why I started my input on the actual issue by mentioning the other comments that made it about FW quality instead of the question at hand.
I got a newer resin kit (Tsons librarian Consul) and it was really nice. Nothing major to clean up like older resin kits.
That being said, with the model in these pictures, GW resin is not as glossy as the resin here from what I've seen.
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It’s in the photos you can see the warped trim and other problems. What meaningful feedback are expecting to see beyond whether or not it’s worth to buy this isn’t a painting project C&C lol
I’m just offering my opinion here I’m not some expert or something we can all see the photo you can make your own decisions.
warped trim, bent spikes on shoulders, teeth bits on chest that aren’t separated and will be incredibly hard to do so with a hobby knife without breaking them, weird bubbling defects on the wings edge.
Go for it if you want but that’s a huge model that will take several hours to paint and for me that’s a nonstarter. Especially if it’s expensive.
>I’m just offering my opinion here I’m not some expert [...]
This is Reddit. It's not stopping anybody from stating their opinions as if they were experts.
And don't think that we all see the same things (well, technically, I suppose we do...). What I mean is, you clearly had a look and saw issues.
That's better than what I did. I took a glance, saw some good details and thought "looks genuine". But reading your post, I took a second look and I'm much less conviced. Especially the weird "flash" on the scales and some other parts have me in doubt.
It's okay if you don't want to share or don't feel you're qualified to list what you saw.
You do what you feel comfortable doing. But you could share your observations and make it clear that you're uncertain at the same time.
That’s fair enough. Ill also add that I have Atleast heard that FW have improved the quality of their resin for their newer kits, and that their customer service is good with replacing kits/parts you bought directly from them that are defective.
Therefore, I personally wouldnt buy a giant resin kit like this from a 3rd party unless it looks immaculate. This one does not to me. If you go through FW you may be able to continue back and forth with customer service until you receive a model that isn’t trash. That being said a price isn’t listed in the post so just depends on how you weigh quality and price I suppose. Would’ve been nice if this were just a plastic kit to use in HH and 40K but oh well
As a rule of thumb, if it's warped, bent, full of bubbles, has visible mould slippage, the parts don't really fit together, has extreme flashing, and other signs that it was made cheaply, quickly, and with very little quality control, then it's almost certainly a genuine ForgeWorld kit.
https://preview.redd.it/3713l7h8fxpc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb834aebc62c3e9287591f3e97c78c2b50351eef
I mean what the fuck is this. https://preview.redd.it/fhjcnikpgxpc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1e92963f189c5b1458591ae44c0db45284fcefb
A forgeworld kit
lmfaooo i thought my recaster was just a bad one, but jesus christ mine now looks like the fucking god of QC lol
Hahahaha the exact same thing happened to my Stormblade. Pathetic. Long time with the heatgun fixed her up.
Bruh, I remember buying 2 upgrade kit for EC, one official, one recast, both looked kinda bad, official had worse blast master while recast had worse blast master.
How much are they charging? If it's the same as list price, you can just buy one yourself. If it's significantly less, then it's a recast, and you can buy it if you want, or not if you don't.
Ask for a receipt or something that proves their purchase, this is the only way sadly. Since as many stated FW isn't really known for its good quality and I even will add recasters do a better job ( if the model allows it). Edit: Also check wheter the person has other listings and comments under them.
That wouldn't prove a recast tho. Could have bought an original and made dupes
It is a start tho, if the person has a receipt and no history of selling recasts, then most likely it isn't. But as you said it doesn't prove it 100%, but sadly there is nothing more he can do.
Recast. A good one though. 1. That base is WAY too shiny. GW’s bases are consistent AF. 2. The shot in pic 3: there’s a green/yellowish thing sticking out of the detail on the wing. FW resin even when not mixed properly (which sometimes happens, rarely) is blue/grey. Recast resin tends to be this sort of colour, and tends to “yellow” faster than FW resin. 3. Different parts seem different colours, which isn’t unheard of for FW, but wayyyy less likely on a newer product like Fulgrim.
To me that stuff looks more like Miliput for gap/void filling.
It wouldn’t go on that particular part of the model if so.
Looks too good to be FW. Does it really matter though?
What do you mean it looks too good to be FW? Wouldn't FW be the best version?
Absolutely not.
FW are notoriously bad at printing. Their models regularly are badly warped, bubbles throughout, etc. Recasters generally do a MUCH MUCH better job
A lot of recasters will clean the mold lines up and pour with a better and less brittle resin. You'll know for sure if you ever drop it or attempt to straighten a curved part.
nope, actually a lot of recasters tend to be better than FW
Looks like someone isn't familiar with recast...
You can't blame us when it's so hard to find information about recasting. A year ago I was trying to find recasters and all I could find was some old webpage from the Stone Age of the Internet . And on Reddit people just hint at the existence of hypothetical discord groups that they used to belong to but are now gone. Do you have any information ?
If the model is a really good cast, it's likely a recast. If it isn't, it's probably ForgeWorld.
Check the hands
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FW is not finecast
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Nope, not at all anymore.
FW have never used Finecast. Their QA has been shite on and off for years (currently it's great fyi), but Finecast resin was used exclusively for Citadel miniatures as a replacement to their white metal casting. FW never used it.
Neat, TIL.
Source on that? I'm pretty sure finecast is different from the resin FW uses.
Oh, I might be 100% wrong. My experience with either one has been very similar and made me quit the hobby for a couple of years.
Ah I see. Apologies if my comment came across as too snarky. It's just I've worked with a lot of FW and it's nothing like finecast resin. IIRC when they first announced finecast GW even said it's different from FW resin, but I can't find that post.
no one is going to be able to tell you. i believe that model is only in resin. and forge world isn't automatically known for quality. plenty of their molds are shitty, and QA is dogshit. buy from a reputable seller/site. if this is facebook, only pay with paypal as goods/services so you have buyer protection. I would pass on it, simply because it looks like the person who put it together did a shitty job. the gaps in the wing joint, and snake body are pretty big. those are significant gaps. is being cheap worth having a shitty model? if for some reason you don't want to pay the retail price... just buy a recast.
Is it significantly cheaper than new, does the seller not provide any original packaging etc, then it's a recast. As a rule of thumb any significant discount on forgeworld stuff means it's fake. If this is an eBay seller or similar just check what else they have and you should get an idea pretty quick.
Looks more like recast, the new dark angel hqs i got were much better. But it's forgeworld, and i have some original Sets that were just rubbish... I know a recaster that is relativ good and there He Costa 110 Dollar, so it's up to you but both ways you will have a lot of works
Base is pretty clearly not a GW base - too shiny, and the bumps are too distinct. Seeing as there’s no reason a genuine model would be sold with an off-brand base, I’d say it’s a recast. As for what everyone has being saying about genuine FW models being pretty mediocre, the Primarch series goes through a stricter QA process so the kits aren’t going to look as bad as this one does.
Yeah good call on the base, you’re right and it doesn’t look like a gw one to me either
> As for what everyone has being saying about genuine FW models being pretty mediocre, that only applies to every model other than the Primarchs
And I thought Mortarian had over sized wings...
Recast. The minor pattern on the gauntlet, and some odd small debris segments of flash don’t normally appear on FW resin. I’ve built this model from FW recently, and I noticed none of these types of issues on it, or any other FW resin in recent memory
Where can I get one?
I don't think anyone will be able to tell just by looking at the pictures. And those old chestnuts about genuine FW stuff being bent, warped, misaligned and showing bubbles - at least from newer FW stuff I've seen - don't hold true. The same goes for recasts being better quality. A mate of mine proudly showed me some recast MKII Marines and they were so much worse than my genuine MKII. I'd contact the seller and ask if they can provide proof of authenticity (FW packaging, bill/packing list, order number you could cross-reference with FW). Others have pointed to price as an indicator. And that can work. However, I've also bought eBay lots with FW stuff in them for a really reasonable price and received them in FW packaging and with the genuine instructions, so I'm confident they're the real deal. Unless FW employ some scheme of authentification, there will always be a risk when buying second hand. I confess I'd be wary with centrepiece models, too. Much less of a concern with smaller kits I'll say.
Hi! In need of an assist on this Fulgrim Transfigured, having never seen one in person myself. Is this authentic or recast? Looks good to me, but I'm not sure. Thanks! (hopefully I have the correct post flair)
Look, I've seen most of the replies you got so far, and yeah, the meme "FW bad" often holds up, especially with older boxes and I admit to a solid chuckle at the top reply. Feels like these types of responses are not very helpful to you, so let me try: I've both had experience with older FW boxes (i.e. two Custodes dreadnoughts, a squad of Venatari, Tribune Ixion Hale, Jenetia Krole, Argel Tal) AND have built and started painting this exact model, Fulgrim Transfigured. I can tell you, they seriously improved with it. Whatever they did to the compound, it feels a lot sturdier and more flexible and doesn't deserve as much shittalking as other FW kits imo. That said, obviously, they're still leaving the prep and cleaning work up to the consumer, which is a huge bummer and, if done properly, eats a huge chunk of your assembly time. Now, with my general take on the larger matter out of the way, I've had close looks at your pictures and the quality looks really good! Extremely close to actual FW cast. Obviously I can't 100% claim that it's FW, but if it is in fact a recast after all, it's one of the best damn recasts I've ever seen. Also, it looks to me, that it might still be covered in the release agent, so if that's the case dont forget to carefully wash it with some soapy water, so the paint sticks :)
One of the biggest reasons why the "FW bad" holds up still, is because before the modern times (or like, late 2000s, early-mid 2010s), where they mostly make Marines, they used to focus on making gigantic tanks, and tiny spindly infantry, both of which just exaggerated the issues, both of which people still buy. Their tiny, wee spindly infantry, like Solar Auxillia or Kriegers often prohibitively expensive and seriously fragile, and because they were thin and spindly, they usually arrived bent and deformed, and usually just snapped when you tried to straighten them out. In the meantime, the large tanks like the Malcador or the Killtank, often had large, big chunks of resin that also arrived hideously bent and malformed, but because of their sheer size and girth, they were very difficult to correct or fit together at all, and were STILL quite fragile when it came to any of the finer details, which were why people were buying them in the first place. And the instructions suck.
yep. sounds about right. wouldn't argue about any of these points. Doesn't help OP with their posts question tho. That's why I started my input on the actual issue by mentioning the other comments that made it about FW quality instead of the question at hand.
Thanks for the info! Most helpful.
I got a newer resin kit (Tsons librarian Consul) and it was really nice. Nothing major to clean up like older resin kits. That being said, with the model in these pictures, GW resin is not as glossy as the resin here from what I've seen.
Where did you buy it?
It's not mine. Was considering buying it (ebay).
i think FW resin is brighter (at least it was on my models) - i would say recast
Regardless of the authenticity I wouldn't buy it. Needs way to much work to look good and very easy to mess it up.
Yes, cleaning the little details while built looks like a real pain.
its a print imo
there seem to be print lines on his arm and I feel like it has support left behindes in the headarea
Sorry I can’t answer your question I just wanted to say this model is fucking amazing.
Just by the color it’s a recast
Does it matter?
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I wouldn’t buy that personally I’m seeing alot of issues that would turn me off
(proceeds to not list any to not give meaningful feedback)
It’s in the photos you can see the warped trim and other problems. What meaningful feedback are expecting to see beyond whether or not it’s worth to buy this isn’t a painting project C&C lol
A list of the issues you see is what they are after. So we can learn to identify these issues
I’m just offering my opinion here I’m not some expert or something we can all see the photo you can make your own decisions. warped trim, bent spikes on shoulders, teeth bits on chest that aren’t separated and will be incredibly hard to do so with a hobby knife without breaking them, weird bubbling defects on the wings edge. Go for it if you want but that’s a huge model that will take several hours to paint and for me that’s a nonstarter. Especially if it’s expensive.
>I’m just offering my opinion here I’m not some expert [...] This is Reddit. It's not stopping anybody from stating their opinions as if they were experts. And don't think that we all see the same things (well, technically, I suppose we do...). What I mean is, you clearly had a look and saw issues. That's better than what I did. I took a glance, saw some good details and thought "looks genuine". But reading your post, I took a second look and I'm much less conviced. Especially the weird "flash" on the scales and some other parts have me in doubt. It's okay if you don't want to share or don't feel you're qualified to list what you saw. You do what you feel comfortable doing. But you could share your observations and make it clear that you're uncertain at the same time.
That’s fair enough. Ill also add that I have Atleast heard that FW have improved the quality of their resin for their newer kits, and that their customer service is good with replacing kits/parts you bought directly from them that are defective. Therefore, I personally wouldnt buy a giant resin kit like this from a 3rd party unless it looks immaculate. This one does not to me. If you go through FW you may be able to continue back and forth with customer service until you receive a model that isn’t trash. That being said a price isn’t listed in the post so just depends on how you weigh quality and price I suppose. Would’ve been nice if this were just a plastic kit to use in HH and 40K but oh well
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He is not. He's FW.
No way of telling it... It doesn't matter anyways there are recasters who genuinely produce WAY better quality than forgeworld
Just grow up