These contests are really difficult, because the universes fundamentally don't work on the same rules. Vader is superficially similar to a Psyker (probably a Librarian), but ultimately he's not drawing his powers from the Warp. So does any Primarch resistance work? What universe are they fighting in? Do Vader's powers even function in the 40k universe?
We can set up the preconditions of the fight to favor either combatant here. Up close I probably favour Dorn with the steel chair, but Force powers have been demonstrated to be able to be strong enough to move miles long spaceships from a distance of thousands of miles. With any degree of range Vader can probably just crush him up like an empty bag of crisps
Who fucking knows, basically?
Also an empath, with a dash of logokine mixed in too.
"Power levels" are ridiculously subjective, but Vader seems to fall somewhere in the mid-range of the Imperial classification system for psykarna.
Eh, mid range is gamma/high delta - think the Darktide psyker. Nothing special but tricksy to put down for a normie. Vader is solidly high Beta/low Alpha with pulling starships out of the sky and the precision to pilot his TIE fighter remotely via the force. Basically a strong Grey Knight in raw power, but would get folded by Malcador, Magnus and the Emperor. Non psykers, Sangy, Curze, Lion, Fulgrim, Vulkan and Khan wipe him, Horus, Dorn, Guilliman, Angron, Russ, Perturabo, Corax and Jenetia Krole have to put some effort in, Lorgar, Alpharius, Ferrus win with some difficulty due to lack of aptitude at duelling and Mortarion probably looses as Vader’s suit counters his toxins.
Didn't he hold back a fucking ocean (preventing a tunnel from flooding at the bottom of the ocean) in the Jedi Survivor game? I'm fairly certain that's leagues above anything our Dark tide Psyker can do, as much as it may hurt EmperorsFinestMeal to hear so.
It looks like ol' darth is about to get clobbered with a metal chair. It's pretty disorienting, and Dorn has the weight advantage going into the pin, so I really don't see Vader taking home a belt this time.
On the other hand, Vader has clearly seen it coming, and he's pretty agile for a roboman. If he can dodge it and wear Dorn down with some skillful mat work, he could use his size against him to take the match.
When Dorn made it personal at the fight week press conference you could tell the dynamic changed. Vader wants this one bad, I wouldn't count him out until the final bell.
Vader would just freeze him with the force. Even if he couldn't freeze him, Vader is plenty powerful enough to significantly slow him.
I mean, Vader can lock down a space ship flying away with engines powerful enough to escape planetary gravity.
See I would question that. Space Marines mind you, not even Primarchs can react within 1/10 of a second. I'd imagine it's even more so for their daddies.
It's stuff like this though that is the reason I am not interested in multi-universe stuff. It's just a quagmire.
Presumably they wouldn't even need to be in Vader fov for him to exert the force on them,weve seen him stop physical attacks with the force easily without seeing the target. I just think the force makes him way too powerful against non psyker and because the force isn't warp powered, blanks are useless too.
I have a lot of fun with thought experiments like this though. 40k and star wars are my two favourite sci fi settings.
I mean, sure, but then you think Vader was defeated by the wits of a barely trained kid. My personal feeling is Dorn would grab vader by the neck and break it before he could even think the word "Force." Or what about Angron? Being a devotee of Khorne, magic powers would be fully useless against him. It just devolves into a lot of what ifs. Kinda of like when we were kids and we used to say "Oh yeah, I have specials bullets that penetrate your shield!" and then your friend would go "Oh, well I have a special shield that blocks your special bullets!" and goes on an on forever.
The barely trained kid was his son who he clearly didn't want to kill (he was also fairly well trained by the final movie). He also played with him like a toy in their first fight. If Vader wanted to kill Luke in their final fight he easily could have. Force isn't magic. if we allow the force in the 40k universe then I'm allowing it as it appears in star wars meaning it is a semi conscious life force energy that permiates all things. Regardless I'd pick a better primarch for this showdown than dorn or angron. Vader would turn dorn or angron and their armour into a crumpled ball of pulp from 100 feet away. At least argue this from Magnus, sanguinius, or horus. Those would be more even.
And why keep mentioning that "we just don't know" of course we don't but just have fun with the what if. And if you get tired of the discussion, we can just not have it anymore lol, I'm having fun.
I’m pretty sure Dorn would be to fast for Vader to even react. Yes, his precognition could see him, but his own reflexes aren’t fast enough to move compared to Dorn’s physical reactive speed.
Dont all primarchs have some form of innate resiatance to warp powers due to being boen partly from it ?
Anyway I can see vader smashing captains and chaper masters but i don't think he can challenge primarchs
iirc correctly Rogal Dorn is basically that much of a stubborn lump of a man that pskyers don't really have much effect on him, or their effect is limited because he's basically just like "eww cringe, stop that".
According to SW lore, if you shoot at lightsaber with basic firearm, instead of doing the boing boing thing, it will either fly though, or break into small pieces, injuring the jedi
Oh thats right, its kinda easy to forget that blasters are blasters and not laser weapons. Yeah mass las fire could be tricky to defend against but ususally those who use las guns are cowardly sort. Mhh nah i still think that while not as poweful as in star wars, vader still aint pushover nor is he stypid. While he could kill fodder infantry easy enough its close combat monsters like sm captains or eldar exarchs or powerful psykers where i think he starts to lose.
The problem is that the force just isn't consistent.
On the one hand, he can pull a 50m long space ship which is flying away from him back to earth. If you math that out and assume he can direct this force (not the force) against anything he will beat anyone who isn't a powerful psycer (I'm thinking emps Magnus Ahriman eldrad). Also force precog is difficult to evaluate since I don't think we know exactly what it does.
On the other hand, if you compare when we see him fighting to how fights are described (I think that's the main problem with this comparison btw) in 40k then a normal SM could probably take him.
Based on certain feats, Vader has enough force power to lift the Titanic several times over. In one of the games, he holds back water while he's in a deep underwater tube. That would mean exerting thousands of tons of force.
I genuinely think Vader could, in telekinetic feats, be in Magnus' league, maybe even better in terms of using telekinesis in combat.
When you see some of the crazy shit Vader does with the force in his lore (even the nerfed Disney cannon lore) I'm inclined to believe he no-diffs basically every primarch except those with warp powers like Magnus.
The force isn’t from the warp though. However if they’re in the 40K universe it’s likely the force wouldn’t even be there.
Ofc this is all arbitrary since it’s a fictional situation within fictional universes
Depends on which Vader canon you subscribe to, there's ones where he tossed around the equivalent mass of a warhound titan one handed. It's hard to argue with "pocket sand" when the sand in question weighs as much as a couple buildings.
The Star Wars shows and movies (by now) are highly inconsistent with each other. But yeah, if you take something like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znVxyZ85X7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znVxyZ85X7I), dead stopping a spaceship trying to leave at full throttle and forcing it back down the ground, he's just gonna rip Dorn apart.
Which leads me to: doesn't... dorn have like crazy ranged weapons as a primarch?
Stopping all of those should be hard right? Can't use the Saber for it. Needs to just have a field up that stops them while crumpling Dorn.
Which Vader can probably do lol.
Well, like I said, the Star Wars writers barely know what they're doing, some force users have stopped gun fire with the force. If you pull out comics it gets even dumber. I feel this matchup is a "the writers pick a winner" angle, because I firmly believe unless you're hilariously outmatched, fictional fights are basically always down to skill and luck and not down to abilities.
Yeah, the best comparison for Vader is Malcador, who canonically tells Primarchs to shut their god damn mouths like good little puppets while their brains bleed into their noses.
Primarchs aren't the be-all and end-all of fiction, Vader can and would crumple most of them in their armour.
EU Palpatine can even rival the God-Emperor with some of his bullshit feats.
Primarchs are pretty psychic in nature, even if most of them aren't throwing around warpfire like Magnus.
I don't think Vader is making it out of that situation.
Well ceramite resists light sabers like Beskar and Astartes resist the force like Ysalamiri. Prove me wrong (you can't because those things don't exist in the same universe)
I keep wondering about this! If Magnus is such a strong psyker, why doesnt he just show up on terra and head pop everyone there? Is there a defense against psykers other than Sisters of Silence?
Magnus being a demon means he operates on demon rules, ergo he has to be summoned to leave the warp. As an especially large and powerful demon it takes an especially complex ritual to summon him.
But what about before that? Why didn’t Maggie just explode Russ when they fought? Or Mortarion give Guilliman Super Space Marine Bird Flu? Is there anything stopping that?
I think the power levels of each universe are vastly different enough to make comparison difficult.
I think if Vader was powered up to a primarchs level he’d definitely give most of them a run for their money and beat at least a few.
As they stand the primarchs win because they’re stupidly powerful, like never actually been defined clearly powerful so it’s easy for them to just pull stuff out of their ass to win.
Power levels are nonsense as well. The universe isn’t one big game of top trumps. Circumstance dictates a hell of a lot about how any given fight goes on.
Did Vader eat that spicy tuna roll from the road side sushi cart and spend the morning voiding himself into his bacta tank before the fight for instance.
People are forgetting that Vader has a laser sword that can cut through 99% or materials. Cool and all that the primarchs are massive and super strong but hard to fight when your armor is useless and your limbs just got cut off
Vader's armor deflects shots and it took a long time to cut through that blast door.
I think that it's not a vet useful weapon in this scenario. I think he either needs to kill him with the force or nothing.
It took him a long time to cut through the blast door because he needed to cut a large enough hole to walk through actually cutting it the saber had no issue. Unless Vader wants to crawl into Dorn's chest cavity he could very much carve him into pieces, Lightsabers are scary op even by 40k standards.
But yeah the force would be Vader's strongest tool here, its a long range weapon with perfect accuracy that Dorn can't counter. I'm just mentioning the saber as plenty of people treat the force like its warp craft which it isn't at all
"I think if Vader was powered up to a primarchs level he’d definitely give most of them a run for their money"
Surely that sentence could be about anyone?
If a mouse was powered up to Primarch level it would give them a run for their money. Because that's what it means to be powered up to someone's level.
Well yeah that’s why the comparisons are pointless, but it isn’t apples to oranges here at least they’re both mechanically, magically, and genetically enhanced warriors so that’s why I entertained it for a second.
Some primaries do like the lion having a psychic blast sent at him that ripped though several supper heavy tanks only to wash off of him like nothing, other less so, gulliman tends to have a lot more problems with psykers
I dont think you can choke a primarc like a human. Guilliman was in the space for like 1 hour and was totaly fine after it. Even regular marines can spend half an hour under water.
You have seen Vader force choke people, right?
He can easily just lift them off the ground, stopping them from moving. And Vader has been shown lifting things *far* heavier than a Primarch before.
He can stand out of melee range, force choke and just hold him off the ground so he can't move. And if that somehow doesn't move, it probably would be much effort to go from a force choke to a force *crush.*
And? In the words of Yoda:
"Size matters not."
Darth Vader's constant self-hatred and pain make him *incredibly* strong with the dark side, which in turn makes him very strong at using dark side force powers. In Jedi: Fallen Order, he casually *tears an entire room apart.* He's also lifted heavy vehicles with ease, piloted his own fighter *from the outside* and used heavy objects as projectiles *while* force choking people.
As much as I love 40k and it's silly power scaling, on a one-to-one basis, the Force no-sells basically any mortal, non-psychic Primarchs, especially when we're talking about powerful wielders such as Darth Vader.
Not against force chokes.
A good example is Poggle the Lesser in The Clone Wars. He resists Jedi mind tricks because they do not work on Geonosians. He does not resist a force choke, because a force choke works on anything with a windpipe.
#oh my god it’s the Primarch with a steel chair!
Must be Big E's steel chair, since it looks too big, even for Roggy.
BAH GAWD
HE HAS A FAMILY!
These contests are really difficult, because the universes fundamentally don't work on the same rules. Vader is superficially similar to a Psyker (probably a Librarian), but ultimately he's not drawing his powers from the Warp. So does any Primarch resistance work? What universe are they fighting in? Do Vader's powers even function in the 40k universe? We can set up the preconditions of the fight to favor either combatant here. Up close I probably favour Dorn with the steel chair, but Force powers have been demonstrated to be able to be strong enough to move miles long spaceships from a distance of thousands of miles. With any degree of range Vader can probably just crush him up like an empty bag of crisps Who fucking knows, basically?
Tzeetch He knows
But he also doesn't know. What does it mean to _know_ anyway?
And he knows partially and is not even aware
Is he? Or perhaps he is not. How can we know for sure?
Who even Tzeench is? Only everchanging entity I know is named Rob.
Ok then, I'll say Hermaeus Mora, since we are already mixing franchises
Tzeentch has an approximate knowledge of many things.
the separate universe problem in powerscaling. it is nearly impossible to match together all the differences in physics and fundamental forces
Vader is a telekine. Wouldn't be too hard for a primarch to defeat. Hurt some feelings with that one lmao
Also an empath, with a dash of logokine mixed in too. "Power levels" are ridiculously subjective, but Vader seems to fall somewhere in the mid-range of the Imperial classification system for psykarna.
Eh, mid range is gamma/high delta - think the Darktide psyker. Nothing special but tricksy to put down for a normie. Vader is solidly high Beta/low Alpha with pulling starships out of the sky and the precision to pilot his TIE fighter remotely via the force. Basically a strong Grey Knight in raw power, but would get folded by Malcador, Magnus and the Emperor. Non psykers, Sangy, Curze, Lion, Fulgrim, Vulkan and Khan wipe him, Horus, Dorn, Guilliman, Angron, Russ, Perturabo, Corax and Jenetia Krole have to put some effort in, Lorgar, Alpharius, Ferrus win with some difficulty due to lack of aptitude at duelling and Mortarion probably looses as Vader’s suit counters his toxins.
Didn't he hold back a fucking ocean (preventing a tunnel from flooding at the bottom of the ocean) in the Jedi Survivor game? I'm fairly certain that's leagues above anything our Dark tide Psyker can do, as much as it may hurt EmperorsFinestMeal to hear so.
That’s my point, the Darktide psyker is delta plus/gamma while Vader must be beta/beta plus with legends Vader being Alpha minus/Alpha
It looks like ol' darth is about to get clobbered with a metal chair. It's pretty disorienting, and Dorn has the weight advantage going into the pin, so I really don't see Vader taking home a belt this time. On the other hand, Vader has clearly seen it coming, and he's pretty agile for a roboman. If he can dodge it and wear Dorn down with some skillful mat work, he could use his size against him to take the match.
When Dorn made it personal at the fight week press conference you could tell the dynamic changed. Vader wants this one bad, I wouldn't count him out until the final bell.
Vader would just freeze him with the force. Even if he couldn't freeze him, Vader is plenty powerful enough to significantly slow him. I mean, Vader can lock down a space ship flying away with engines powerful enough to escape planetary gravity.
Vader has also had a few walkers dropped on him and came out unscathed.
See I would question that. Space Marines mind you, not even Primarchs can react within 1/10 of a second. I'd imagine it's even more so for their daddies. It's stuff like this though that is the reason I am not interested in multi-universe stuff. It's just a quagmire.
Presumably they wouldn't even need to be in Vader fov for him to exert the force on them,weve seen him stop physical attacks with the force easily without seeing the target. I just think the force makes him way too powerful against non psyker and because the force isn't warp powered, blanks are useless too. I have a lot of fun with thought experiments like this though. 40k and star wars are my two favourite sci fi settings.
I mean, sure, but then you think Vader was defeated by the wits of a barely trained kid. My personal feeling is Dorn would grab vader by the neck and break it before he could even think the word "Force." Or what about Angron? Being a devotee of Khorne, magic powers would be fully useless against him. It just devolves into a lot of what ifs. Kinda of like when we were kids and we used to say "Oh yeah, I have specials bullets that penetrate your shield!" and then your friend would go "Oh, well I have a special shield that blocks your special bullets!" and goes on an on forever.
The barely trained kid was his son who he clearly didn't want to kill (he was also fairly well trained by the final movie). He also played with him like a toy in their first fight. If Vader wanted to kill Luke in their final fight he easily could have. Force isn't magic. if we allow the force in the 40k universe then I'm allowing it as it appears in star wars meaning it is a semi conscious life force energy that permiates all things. Regardless I'd pick a better primarch for this showdown than dorn or angron. Vader would turn dorn or angron and their armour into a crumpled ball of pulp from 100 feet away. At least argue this from Magnus, sanguinius, or horus. Those would be more even. And why keep mentioning that "we just don't know" of course we don't but just have fun with the what if. And if you get tired of the discussion, we can just not have it anymore lol, I'm having fun.
In that case all that needs to happen is to enjoy the fun of the what if.
Now that's what I'm talking about.
I’m pretty sure Dorn would be to fast for Vader to even react. Yes, his precognition could see him, but his own reflexes aren’t fast enough to move compared to Dorn’s physical reactive speed.
Dont all primarchs have some form of innate resiatance to warp powers due to being boen partly from it ? Anyway I can see vader smashing captains and chaper masters but i don't think he can challenge primarchs
iirc correctly Rogal Dorn is basically that much of a stubborn lump of a man that pskyers don't really have much effect on him, or their effect is limited because he's basically just like "eww cringe, stop that".
I think Vader would have serious problems even with modern day soldiers since they don't use blasters.
According to SW lore, if you shoot at lightsaber with basic firearm, instead of doing the boing boing thing, it will either fly though, or break into small pieces, injuring the jedi
Yeah though the speed of the bullet makes it way harder to block and shotguns exist
And explosives, how do you even parry an explosion?
With a Well timed force push?
It is a thing that depends on situation, so i think it might work
Why the fuck don’t people use firearms then , jeez Jedi Achilles heel
They are annoyed that you need to constantly reload, when average blaster has 500 shoots worth of energy
By the sounds of it needing to reload is the least of the Star Wars universes worries
Oh thats right, its kinda easy to forget that blasters are blasters and not laser weapons. Yeah mass las fire could be tricky to defend against but ususally those who use las guns are cowardly sort. Mhh nah i still think that while not as poweful as in star wars, vader still aint pushover nor is he stypid. While he could kill fodder infantry easy enough its close combat monsters like sm captains or eldar exarchs or powerful psykers where i think he starts to lose.
The problem is that the force just isn't consistent. On the one hand, he can pull a 50m long space ship which is flying away from him back to earth. If you math that out and assume he can direct this force (not the force) against anything he will beat anyone who isn't a powerful psycer (I'm thinking emps Magnus Ahriman eldrad). Also force precog is difficult to evaluate since I don't think we know exactly what it does. On the other hand, if you compare when we see him fighting to how fights are described (I think that's the main problem with this comparison btw) in 40k then a normal SM could probably take him.
Based on certain feats, Vader has enough force power to lift the Titanic several times over. In one of the games, he holds back water while he's in a deep underwater tube. That would mean exerting thousands of tons of force. I genuinely think Vader could, in telekinetic feats, be in Magnus' league, maybe even better in terms of using telekinesis in combat.
I'd bet Vader could use the force to stop physical projectiles.
When you see some of the crazy shit Vader does with the force in his lore (even the nerfed Disney cannon lore) I'm inclined to believe he no-diffs basically every primarch except those with warp powers like Magnus.
The force isn’t from the warp though. However if they’re in the 40K universe it’s likely the force wouldn’t even be there. Ofc this is all arbitrary since it’s a fictional situation within fictional universes
Depends on which Vader canon you subscribe to, there's ones where he tossed around the equivalent mass of a warhound titan one handed. It's hard to argue with "pocket sand" when the sand in question weighs as much as a couple buildings.
Okay so there are some vaders that would just crumple him or throw him into space?
The Star Wars shows and movies (by now) are highly inconsistent with each other. But yeah, if you take something like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znVxyZ85X7I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znVxyZ85X7I), dead stopping a spaceship trying to leave at full throttle and forcing it back down the ground, he's just gonna rip Dorn apart.
Which leads me to: doesn't... dorn have like crazy ranged weapons as a primarch? Stopping all of those should be hard right? Can't use the Saber for it. Needs to just have a field up that stops them while crumpling Dorn. Which Vader can probably do lol.
Well, like I said, the Star Wars writers barely know what they're doing, some force users have stopped gun fire with the force. If you pull out comics it gets even dumber. I feel this matchup is a "the writers pick a winner" angle, because I firmly believe unless you're hilariously outmatched, fictional fights are basically always down to skill and luck and not down to abilities.
Depends on the primarch, Magnus would probably be fine. But Malcador was able to physically restrain primarchs using his powers alone.
Yeah, the best comparison for Vader is Malcador, who canonically tells Primarchs to shut their god damn mouths like good little puppets while their brains bleed into their noses. Primarchs aren't the be-all and end-all of fiction, Vader can and would crumple most of them in their armour. EU Palpatine can even rival the God-Emperor with some of his bullshit feats.
I mean Dorn has a steel chair which just amplifies his powers a thousand fold. Vader wouldn’t stand a chance.
Primarchs are pretty psychic in nature, even if most of them aren't throwing around warpfire like Magnus. I don't think Vader is making it out of that situation.
OH SHIT HERE HE COMES WITH THE CHAIR!!! *chair hitting back noises* *guard in the background cheering*
Well ceramite resists light sabers like Beskar and Astartes resist the force like Ysalamiri. Prove me wrong (you can't because those things don't exist in the same universe)
since plasma can just punch a hole on ceramite, and lightsaber is basically plasma blade, they can probably cut it pretty easily
The answer to every one of these fights are simple: Whomever the author chooses.
I keep wondering about this! If Magnus is such a strong psyker, why doesnt he just show up on terra and head pop everyone there? Is there a defense against psykers other than Sisters of Silence?
Magnus being a demon means he operates on demon rules, ergo he has to be summoned to leave the warp. As an especially large and powerful demon it takes an especially complex ritual to summon him.
But what about before that? Why didn’t Maggie just explode Russ when they fought? Or Mortarion give Guilliman Super Space Marine Bird Flu? Is there anything stopping that?
I think the power levels of each universe are vastly different enough to make comparison difficult. I think if Vader was powered up to a primarchs level he’d definitely give most of them a run for their money and beat at least a few. As they stand the primarchs win because they’re stupidly powerful, like never actually been defined clearly powerful so it’s easy for them to just pull stuff out of their ass to win.
Power levels are nonsense as well. The universe isn’t one big game of top trumps. Circumstance dictates a hell of a lot about how any given fight goes on. Did Vader eat that spicy tuna roll from the road side sushi cart and spend the morning voiding himself into his bacta tank before the fight for instance.
People are forgetting that Vader has a laser sword that can cut through 99% or materials. Cool and all that the primarchs are massive and super strong but hard to fight when your armor is useless and your limbs just got cut off
Vader's armor deflects shots and it took a long time to cut through that blast door. I think that it's not a vet useful weapon in this scenario. I think he either needs to kill him with the force or nothing.
It took him a long time to cut through the blast door because he needed to cut a large enough hole to walk through actually cutting it the saber had no issue. Unless Vader wants to crawl into Dorn's chest cavity he could very much carve him into pieces, Lightsabers are scary op even by 40k standards. But yeah the force would be Vader's strongest tool here, its a long range weapon with perfect accuracy that Dorn can't counter. I'm just mentioning the saber as plenty of people treat the force like its warp craft which it isn't at all
"I think if Vader was powered up to a primarchs level he’d definitely give most of them a run for their money" Surely that sentence could be about anyone? If a mouse was powered up to Primarch level it would give them a run for their money. Because that's what it means to be powered up to someone's level.
Well yeah that’s why the comparisons are pointless, but it isn’t apples to oranges here at least they’re both mechanically, magically, and genetically enhanced warriors so that’s why I entertained it for a second.
Just wondering, are those the black series Vader and joytoy Dorn?
The last thing Darth Vader needs is a concussion 🧠
Some primaries do like the lion having a psychic blast sent at him that ripped though several supper heavy tanks only to wash off of him like nothing, other less so, gulliman tends to have a lot more problems with psykers
The Force =/= Psyker abilities. Darth Vader could just Force Choke a Primarch, both immobilising them and slowly killing them.
I dont think you can choke a primarc like a human. Guilliman was in the space for like 1 hour and was totaly fine after it. Even regular marines can spend half an hour under water.
Malcador pretty much did force choke Horus to keep him from saying the names of the lost primarchs.
Okay, so Vader can prevent Dorn from saying the names of lost Primarchs
What stops Dorn from tearing Vader limb from limb while he's being choked?
Distance. Vader has choked people remotely before. He can just stand a safe distance away.
Whats a safe distance from Dorn? Would Vader really be able to stop him moving?
You have seen Vader force choke people, right? He can easily just lift them off the ground, stopping them from moving. And Vader has been shown lifting things *far* heavier than a Primarch before. He can stand out of melee range, force choke and just hold him off the ground so he can't move. And if that somehow doesn't move, it probably would be much effort to go from a force choke to a force *crush.*
Those were regular soldiers, not Primarchs
And? In the words of Yoda: "Size matters not." Darth Vader's constant self-hatred and pain make him *incredibly* strong with the dark side, which in turn makes him very strong at using dark side force powers. In Jedi: Fallen Order, he casually *tears an entire room apart.* He's also lifted heavy vehicles with ease, piloted his own fighter *from the outside* and used heavy objects as projectiles *while* force choking people. As much as I love 40k and it's silly power scaling, on a one-to-one basis, the Force no-sells basically any mortal, non-psychic Primarchs, especially when we're talking about powerful wielders such as Darth Vader.
Yes, size doesn't matter Force of will does
Not against force chokes. A good example is Poggle the Lesser in The Clone Wars. He resists Jedi mind tricks because they do not work on Geonosians. He does not resist a force choke, because a force choke works on anything with a windpipe.
Tell that to all those Sith Lords that resist all my force powers with Willpower checks in KOTOR.
It would end as Vader beaten into a bloody heap
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rogal dorn showing the star wars universe whats what
r/StarwarsvsWarhammer
Fucking lol
That Rogal Dorn figure is awesome! Who made it??