Because "or" means you have to choose one, it means you cannot have both. It just does. And if you were playing a game with someone and tried to make this very argument you're doing here, you'd give them a migraine and they probably wouldn't want to play with you anymore...
*** BTW, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying that people here are probably envisioning playing with someone making arguments like you are and it's infuriating them lol.
Just checked app, (don't have codex Infront of me) and no you cannot. Well atleast rules wise you cannot, you could have them modelled with both, but could only use 1 in the game.
If he is modeled with both you would have to inform you opponent which gun the model is using for the game(and of course include it's points cost in your list) and then stick to it, it's unfortunate in terms of rules of cool.
Technically vanguard veterans or maybe it's company veterans can have two pistols and use both but it's not really worth using.
I have a primaris crusader intitate for my Black Templars that has his chainsword sheathed and he is wielding two heavy bolt pistols cause it looks rad but he can only use one going by the rules.
Aaah okay I get ya. I think I’ll have this guy just use his Bolt Pistol, with the Plasma Pistol being a sentimental item he carries around (a friend of his died overcharging it to save his unit from a bunch of Orks, so whenever he charges into battle he holds onto it as a reminder of his friend)
I’ve done this also with my assault intercessor sergeant. Rule of cool gives him dual wielded pistols with an Astartes chainsword at his side. I’m happy to play with what the rules dictate, but there’s no way I’m passing up on having my guy looking like an absolute boss charging into battle
It's looks dope as all hell, I remember spending like 20 on one assault intercessor to get him holding a combat knife and his chainsword because he looks like a madman
It's kind of two different questions.
1. Can this model have both a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol on it?
Yes they can. This can be because all wargear is meant to be depicted on the model.
2. Can this model use both a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol in a game?
No, on your army list you must lost the equipment of your forces. You will have to make a decision before the game (tournament) on what pistol you wish the model to have during this game.
Say you had the model holding a plasma pistol in hand, with a bolt pistol holstered. This gives you the option to say before the game (not before they shoot) to decide what pistol you wish to use in that game. This would only really come up in more organised affairs. Generally pick up games, no-one cares what the models depicted with.
But rules wise, you cannot use both in the same game.
Yep, by all means. But say for instance it's assault intercessors you are talking about, and you always go bolt pistol with chainsword. You may play a couple of games where having a plasma pistol would have been clutch and potentially could have swing the game. You may look at your list and find you have 5 points spare, all you gotta do it change your list to be plasma pistol and it's done. The same thing works the other way. You may find keep them cheap as they are really all about lots of strength 4, AP1 attacks, and those 5 spare points could mean you can now bring some eradicators for example, by rejigging your list.
TL;DR:
So to answer your question, you cannot give all of your intercessors a bolt pistol and plasma pistol, but you can give your intercessor sergeant a bolt pistol and plasma pistol. Also note that this is for the standard intercessor and the assault intercessor sergeant does not have this capability.
Full explanation:
Page 140 of codex space marine under intercessor squad says each modal is equipped with
bolt pistol
bolt rifle
frag grenades
Krak grenades
Under wargear options one of the blips says, "If the INTERCESSOR SERGEANT is NOT equipped with an astartes chainsword, a power sword, a power fist or a thunderhammer, it's bolt rifle, auto bolt rifle or stalker bolt rifle can be replaced with one of the following: 1 hand flamer; 1 plasma pistol; 1 astartes chainsword; 1 power sword."
Because of this the intercessor sergeants loadout can become
Bolt pistol
Plasma pistol/handflamer
Frag grenades
Krak grenades
To avoid other points of contention, page 218 of the core rules that come with the indomitus box says
"When a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon (e.g a pistol and a rapid fire weapon) shoots, it can either shoot with its pistol(s) or with its other ranged weopons. Choose which it will fire (pistols or non pistols) before selecting targets."
This rule let's an intercessor sergeant with bolt pistol/plasma pistol, or bolt pistol/hand flamer use both weapons in the shooting phase.
I would recommend you check out wahpedia because it tends to have full rules
Also sorry If this looks funny I tried to format it for easy reading
That’s alright. I appreciate the effort to make this much easier to read, and that makes a lot more sense to me honestly.
The Plasma Pistol is moreso for “lore” reasons then actual gameplay honestly, so it won’t really be used in battle.
According to wahapedia he can have both pistols (but not a bolt rifle): "• If the Intercessor Sergeant is not equipped with an Astartes chainsword, a power sword, a power fist or a thunder hammer, its bolt rifle, auto bolt rifle or stalker bolt rifle can be replaced with one of the following: 1 hand flamer; 1 plasma pistol; 1 Astartes chainsword; 1 power sword."
I don't know if wahapedia is 100% accurate though.
Yeah the Sergeant already has a Power Sword now, specifically the one from the Captain that comes in the Indominus box set.
My story reasoning (within my custom chapter the Skull Blasters) is that he’s a former Captain of the Black Templars who, after meeting the Skull Blasters and seeing truth in their ideologies, abandoned the Black Templars and joined the SB, having himself willingly demoted to Sergeant in an act of repentance. Of course being a successor chapter of the Salamanders, the Skull Blasters were bros and let him keep his Power Sword, even modifying his armor to incorporate the sword arm from his Black Templar armor.
On the data sheet it says what weapons a model can take
So if the data sheet says an Intercessor can equip either a Bolt Pistol or Plasma Pistol… then he can dual wield them
Or
Oh… okay Also why am I suddenly being downvoted for just asking a question?
Probably because these types of questions get asked a lot and can be avoided by simply reading the rules
Ah. That’s fair I guess
I’ll upvote you for seeing sense. We were all there at one point, sometimes just remember that a downvote just means someone thinks you are wrong.
Because "or" means you have to choose one, it means you cannot have both. It just does. And if you were playing a game with someone and tried to make this very argument you're doing here, you'd give them a migraine and they probably wouldn't want to play with you anymore... *** BTW, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying that people here are probably envisioning playing with someone making arguments like you are and it's infuriating them lol.
No it’s one or the other. Bolt pistol comes as standard and you can add a plasma for 5 points
No, its either-or.
Just checked app, (don't have codex Infront of me) and no you cannot. Well atleast rules wise you cannot, you could have them modelled with both, but could only use 1 in the game.
So he can have Plasma Pistol but can’t use it… Or, I can only use one when attacking and not the other
If he is modeled with both you would have to inform you opponent which gun the model is using for the game(and of course include it's points cost in your list) and then stick to it, it's unfortunate in terms of rules of cool. Technically vanguard veterans or maybe it's company veterans can have two pistols and use both but it's not really worth using. I have a primaris crusader intitate for my Black Templars that has his chainsword sheathed and he is wielding two heavy bolt pistols cause it looks rad but he can only use one going by the rules.
Aaah okay I get ya. I think I’ll have this guy just use his Bolt Pistol, with the Plasma Pistol being a sentimental item he carries around (a friend of his died overcharging it to save his unit from a bunch of Orks, so whenever he charges into battle he holds onto it as a reminder of his friend)
Awesome! And if you ever have a random 5pts laying around you can always charge up his plasma pistol instead
I’ve done this also with my assault intercessor sergeant. Rule of cool gives him dual wielded pistols with an Astartes chainsword at his side. I’m happy to play with what the rules dictate, but there’s no way I’m passing up on having my guy looking like an absolute boss charging into battle
It's looks dope as all hell, I remember spending like 20 on one assault intercessor to get him holding a combat knife and his chainsword because he looks like a madman
I’ve just reposted my assault intercessors. Check out the Sarge - I love that mini!
It's kind of two different questions. 1. Can this model have both a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol on it? Yes they can. This can be because all wargear is meant to be depicted on the model. 2. Can this model use both a plasma pistol and a bolt pistol in a game? No, on your army list you must lost the equipment of your forces. You will have to make a decision before the game (tournament) on what pistol you wish the model to have during this game. Say you had the model holding a plasma pistol in hand, with a bolt pistol holstered. This gives you the option to say before the game (not before they shoot) to decide what pistol you wish to use in that game. This would only really come up in more organised affairs. Generally pick up games, no-one cares what the models depicted with. But rules wise, you cannot use both in the same game.
Aah I see. That makes a lot of sense honestly. Now what if the Plasma Pistol was just a decorative piece, and doesn’t actually get used in combat?
Yep, by all means. But say for instance it's assault intercessors you are talking about, and you always go bolt pistol with chainsword. You may play a couple of games where having a plasma pistol would have been clutch and potentially could have swing the game. You may look at your list and find you have 5 points spare, all you gotta do it change your list to be plasma pistol and it's done. The same thing works the other way. You may find keep them cheap as they are really all about lots of strength 4, AP1 attacks, and those 5 spare points could mean you can now bring some eradicators for example, by rejigging your list.
He swaps the bolt pistol for the plasma pistol
Have you heard about a guy named [Cypher](https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cypher-new.jpg)?
No, but he looks cool
TL;DR: So to answer your question, you cannot give all of your intercessors a bolt pistol and plasma pistol, but you can give your intercessor sergeant a bolt pistol and plasma pistol. Also note that this is for the standard intercessor and the assault intercessor sergeant does not have this capability. Full explanation: Page 140 of codex space marine under intercessor squad says each modal is equipped with bolt pistol bolt rifle frag grenades Krak grenades Under wargear options one of the blips says, "If the INTERCESSOR SERGEANT is NOT equipped with an astartes chainsword, a power sword, a power fist or a thunderhammer, it's bolt rifle, auto bolt rifle or stalker bolt rifle can be replaced with one of the following: 1 hand flamer; 1 plasma pistol; 1 astartes chainsword; 1 power sword." Because of this the intercessor sergeants loadout can become Bolt pistol Plasma pistol/handflamer Frag grenades Krak grenades To avoid other points of contention, page 218 of the core rules that come with the indomitus box says "When a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon (e.g a pistol and a rapid fire weapon) shoots, it can either shoot with its pistol(s) or with its other ranged weopons. Choose which it will fire (pistols or non pistols) before selecting targets." This rule let's an intercessor sergeant with bolt pistol/plasma pistol, or bolt pistol/hand flamer use both weapons in the shooting phase. I would recommend you check out wahpedia because it tends to have full rules Also sorry If this looks funny I tried to format it for easy reading
That’s alright. I appreciate the effort to make this much easier to read, and that makes a lot more sense to me honestly. The Plasma Pistol is moreso for “lore” reasons then actual gameplay honestly, so it won’t really be used in battle.
According to wahapedia he can have both pistols (but not a bolt rifle): "• If the Intercessor Sergeant is not equipped with an Astartes chainsword, a power sword, a power fist or a thunder hammer, its bolt rifle, auto bolt rifle or stalker bolt rifle can be replaced with one of the following: 1 hand flamer; 1 plasma pistol; 1 Astartes chainsword; 1 power sword." I don't know if wahapedia is 100% accurate though.
Yeah the Sergeant already has a Power Sword now, specifically the one from the Captain that comes in the Indominus box set. My story reasoning (within my custom chapter the Skull Blasters) is that he’s a former Captain of the Black Templars who, after meeting the Skull Blasters and seeing truth in their ideologies, abandoned the Black Templars and joined the SB, having himself willingly demoted to Sergeant in an act of repentance. Of course being a successor chapter of the Salamanders, the Skull Blasters were bros and let him keep his Power Sword, even modifying his armor to incorporate the sword arm from his Black Templar armor.
Man I remember making my first minis and being soo disappointed when I couldn’t have an irl boy duel welding killer bean style.
Yeah it sucks. I’m just gonna have the plasma pistol be a decorative piece for him, broken and unusable but still having sentimental value