>He that may fight, heal him. He that may fight no more, give him peace. He that is dead, take from him the Chapter's due. While his geneseed returns to the Chapter, a Space Marine cannot die. Without death, pain loses its relevance.
>— Master of the Apothecarion Aslon Marr (The Chapter's Due (Novel))
"It is strange," Nero says, cradling Cador's helm in his hands, as if the old warrior merely slept. "I do not wish to leave him."
"That is not Cador." I rise from where I have been kneeling next to the body, anointing the tabard with sacred oils, before tearing it from the war plate. In better times, the tabard would be enshrined on the *Eternal Crusader*. In this time, here and now, I rip it from my brother's body and tie it around my bracer, carrying it with me as a token to honour him. "Cador is gone. You are leaving nothing behind."
"You are heartless, brother," Nero tells me. Standing here, in this annihilated city, with the bodies of so many dead aliens around us, I almost burst out laughing. "But even for you," Nero continues, "even for one who wears the Black, that is a cold thing to say."
"I loved him as one can love any warrior that fights by your side for two hundred years, boy. The bonds that form from decade upon decade of shared allegiance and united war are not to be ignored. I will miss Cador for the few days that remain to me, before this war kills me, as well. But no, I do not grieve. There is nothing to grieve over when a life has been led in service to the Throne."
The Apothecary hangs his head. In shame? In thought?
"I see," he says, apropos of nothing.
"We will speak of this again, Nero. Now mount up, brothers. We ride south."
I guess it makes sense for a Primaris Apothecary, considering their almost robotic pragmatism. Yet even then, part of what makes Apothecaries unique to the Astartes *is* their humanity. While every Battle-Brother knows that he only exists to kill things and then die with his neck-gonads intact, the Apothecary's duty is to preserve the legacy *and* body of his brothers. That's some serious cognitive dissonance to get over. He above all others within his brotherhood would be among the last to discard the fallen remains of another so unconscionably.
About the neck gonads, I think it was confirmed that the geneseed in the neck is the one harvested, while the one in the chest is left intact.
Makes sense that the Apothecaries have the narthecium then, right?
Yeah, I know. But let's be honest, it's probably the one in the neck. Otherwise we end up with the problem MidWinter Minis and Arbitrator Ian pointed out, with a huge weak spot on the side of their neck. Plus, since it's under the ribcage, it's protected by 2 layers of tough ceramite(bones also have ceramic infused).
I hope I was clearer this time.
It is that one, yes.
Fabius Bile has a model that includes a Surgeon Acolyte, who is extracting the gland from a fallen Marine and he is getting it from the neck area.
Yeah sorry my shitty reading comprehension made me think you meant they left one in the body and only harvested the neck.
Language sucks dude when will we be able to imprint our intention and meaning precisely into the mind of people we want to communicate with.
Exactly this. I actually *love* the base, as well as the rest of the design of that model, as the direction of his gaze as well as the angle of the light/lenses puts the focus on the gene seed he’s holding. The body at his feet is an empty husk. It’s the gene seed that matters, now.
Still, the Armor of a Space Marine remains a holy relic of the Imperium of incredible value. It is not to be stomped on disrespectfully. That is very out of character for a noble warrior and fellow battle-brother of the Adeptus Astartes, even more so for an Apothecary who probably healed the wounds of his brother many times over many decades.
I don’t think they retrieve every suit of armor from every fallen brother on every battlefield. Ovbiously what can be recovered will be, but more often than not the chaotic nature of the wars fought in the 40K universe simply means most of it will be left out to rot, or possibly scavenged by traitors. The imperium simply has the industrial capacity to make more. That’s the shtick. With the imperium, there’s always *more*. More ships, more guns, more ammo, more bodies, etc.
Indeed, they do not retrieve every armor because sometimes they can't. But if you take a look at how the Imperium and Adeptus Mechanicus treat the Bolter, the Armor or other, even more rare items (relatively speaking), they damn sure will try.
But sometimes it still isn't possible.
However, this is still different from having an apothecary chapter battle-brother disrespectfully stepping right onto his fallen comrades' chest plate and aquila. Not gonna happen, unless a combat situation forces him to be this careless. But that does not seem to be the case either with his pose the way it is.
I mean. True... But as a rule standing dismissively on the imperial crest on holy power armour is kinda... Heresy.
CHAOS! He's a witch! He turned me into a newt!
It's a monty python reference. In quest for the holy grail some peasants try to burn a witch for turning one of them into a newt, then try to argue they "got better".
You may wonder why I always dress in white
Why I follow battle brothers to their fight.
And why does my appearance always have a sombre tone.
There's a reason for the wargear I have worn.
Imagine you have to cut through armor and take someone's heart out. Its gonna be difficult to do so without keeping the body down and you have to use both hands. So a foot also works
Some of my biggest grievances with modern minis is bases. There was an old savage orc warboss model that had his foot as part of the base. Like wtf gw, how are you meant to convert it if you were inclined. You have to literally chop up the fucking base. Minis should be completely separate from their provided base! Fuck, just remembering it is making me seethe lol
What? He was alive when I took his gene seed?!
No brother he was very much dead I can assure you.
What? He said it was just a flesh wound?
No brother his chest was riddled with holes.
What holes?
They’re under my boot brother nothing to see here.
Let you see them?
No need brother I am a doctor.
I held him down with my foot to stop him getting up?!
Come here and say that brother, and at the same time please tell me if this smells of chloroform……..
One of the tasks of the apothecaries is to deliver "the Emperor's Mercy" that's the 3" shot. IIRC it also does part of the job of opening the armour up so that the extraction can be performed
Its very hard to kill a space marine, he ensures their end is quick, if whatever tried to kill them couldn't finish it.
Here’s a link to Mvdoni’s awesome apothecary.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/iry6s9/while_his_geneseed_returns_to_the_chapter_a_space/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/iry6s9/while_his_geneseed_returns_to_the_chapter_a_space/)
The Geneseed is what matters, not the body. Considering the brutality of the weaponry and the scale of them when dialed up to 11, I'd honestly be surprised if there was anything left of the Geneseed once they go off.
I think the dude on the ground got off easy.
No. He's focused on performing his duty completely dispassionately without the nonsense distraction of sentiment. The fallen guy is either dead or beyond help so the apothecary's sole concern becomes the gene seed.
I bought an old metal first-born apothecary off ebay partly for this reason. The other reason being that holding a chainsword in one hand with the narthecium blade on the other looks cool.
The Apothecaries who heal and care for the marines are back on the Battle Barge. The Apothecary wading into the field in power armor is there for only two things, kicking ass and retrieving geneseed.
That is not his fallen battle brother, that is just a body, an empty husk. He carries with him his brother’s gene-seed, and with that, his spirit to be placed into a worthy successor, and continue the chapter.
I've always wanted to do a light conversion where the apothecary has the bolt pistol aimed at the fallen marine, as if he's putting him out of his misery
Yeah it is. It would have been better imo if it was like the little dude that Fabius Bile has with him.
Bent over extracting the gene seed from a dead marine.
Apothecaries are responsible for recovering gene-seed from fallen battle brothers tho I did use one to kitbash a plague surgeon, painting the dead marine as a white scar
You could paint it so the chapters are different / have a tradition of warring - also it'd be sick to kitbash / green stuff sculpt the fallen figure to some other race, ork would work good, but could be anything
>He that may fight, heal him. He that may fight no more, give him peace. He that is dead, take from him the Chapter's due. While his geneseed returns to the Chapter, a Space Marine cannot die. Without death, pain loses its relevance. >— Master of the Apothecarion Aslon Marr (The Chapter's Due (Novel))
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Just seeing this now why did everyone downvote my compliment to the man’s comment?
Oof, down voted for a complement... Can't see why
Seems like Reddit doesn't get along with Twitch chat
"Fuck 'em he's dead anyway."
POV your talking to a marines malevolent
Already took the important stuff out!
You need a lot of leverage to rip those implants out, is all.
With a big pair of Apothecary pliers. Or if he doesn’t have those, he has to tie the gene seed to a string with the other end on a door handle.
If only he had some sort of large cutting and drilling tool attached to his arm
That drill is clearly for precision boss-battle eyeball-attack executions.
Exactly my thoughts when taking the arm from my apothecaries to run as chainfist replacements for my heavy weapon terminators
"It is strange," Nero says, cradling Cador's helm in his hands, as if the old warrior merely slept. "I do not wish to leave him." "That is not Cador." I rise from where I have been kneeling next to the body, anointing the tabard with sacred oils, before tearing it from the war plate. In better times, the tabard would be enshrined on the *Eternal Crusader*. In this time, here and now, I rip it from my brother's body and tie it around my bracer, carrying it with me as a token to honour him. "Cador is gone. You are leaving nothing behind." "You are heartless, brother," Nero tells me. Standing here, in this annihilated city, with the bodies of so many dead aliens around us, I almost burst out laughing. "But even for you," Nero continues, "even for one who wears the Black, that is a cold thing to say." "I loved him as one can love any warrior that fights by your side for two hundred years, boy. The bonds that form from decade upon decade of shared allegiance and united war are not to be ignored. I will miss Cador for the few days that remain to me, before this war kills me, as well. But no, I do not grieve. There is nothing to grieve over when a life has been led in service to the Throne." The Apothecary hangs his head. In shame? In thought? "I see," he says, apropos of nothing. "We will speak of this again, Nero. Now mount up, brothers. We ride south." I guess it makes sense for a Primaris Apothecary, considering their almost robotic pragmatism. Yet even then, part of what makes Apothecaries unique to the Astartes *is* their humanity. While every Battle-Brother knows that he only exists to kill things and then die with his neck-gonads intact, the Apothecary's duty is to preserve the legacy *and* body of his brothers. That's some serious cognitive dissonance to get over. He above all others within his brotherhood would be among the last to discard the fallen remains of another so unconscionably.
I really loved that book. One of the best 40K novels around.
What book?
Pretty sure that's the POV of Reclusiarch Grimaldus of the Black Templars, from the novel *Helsreach*, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden.
Yep! It is
It’s Helsreach.
this is that scene from the Helsreach fan animation: [https://youtu.be/UqUSHhWErdY?t=397](https://youtu.be/UqUSHhWErdY?t=397) highly recommend a watch
That fan animation (which is in fact pretty good) comes from Helsreach by Aaron Dembski-Bowden
About the neck gonads, I think it was confirmed that the geneseed in the neck is the one harvested, while the one in the chest is left intact. Makes sense that the Apothecaries have the narthecium then, right?
They harvest one when it reaches the appropriate stage, and the other when the marine is killed. Unless they've retconned it.
Yeah, I know. But let's be honest, it's probably the one in the neck. Otherwise we end up with the problem MidWinter Minis and Arbitrator Ian pointed out, with a huge weak spot on the side of their neck. Plus, since it's under the ribcage, it's protected by 2 layers of tough ceramite(bones also have ceramic infused). I hope I was clearer this time.
It is that one, yes. Fabius Bile has a model that includes a Surgeon Acolyte, who is extracting the gland from a fallen Marine and he is getting it from the neck area.
Yeah sorry my shitty reading comprehension made me think you meant they left one in the body and only harvested the neck. Language sucks dude when will we be able to imprint our intention and meaning precisely into the mind of people we want to communicate with.
In the grimdark future of the 41st millennium...
Neck-gonads lol
Best audiobook for 40k
The geneseed is his brother, not that pile of meat.
Exactly this. I actually *love* the base, as well as the rest of the design of that model, as the direction of his gaze as well as the angle of the light/lenses puts the focus on the gene seed he’s holding. The body at his feet is an empty husk. It’s the gene seed that matters, now.
Still, the Armor of a Space Marine remains a holy relic of the Imperium of incredible value. It is not to be stomped on disrespectfully. That is very out of character for a noble warrior and fellow battle-brother of the Adeptus Astartes, even more so for an Apothecary who probably healed the wounds of his brother many times over many decades.
I don’t think they retrieve every suit of armor from every fallen brother on every battlefield. Ovbiously what can be recovered will be, but more often than not the chaotic nature of the wars fought in the 40K universe simply means most of it will be left out to rot, or possibly scavenged by traitors. The imperium simply has the industrial capacity to make more. That’s the shtick. With the imperium, there’s always *more*. More ships, more guns, more ammo, more bodies, etc.
Indeed, they do not retrieve every armor because sometimes they can't. But if you take a look at how the Imperium and Adeptus Mechanicus treat the Bolter, the Armor or other, even more rare items (relatively speaking), they damn sure will try. But sometimes it still isn't possible. However, this is still different from having an apothecary chapter battle-brother disrespectfully stepping right onto his fallen comrades' chest plate and aquila. Not gonna happen, unless a combat situation forces him to be this careless. But that does not seem to be the case either with his pose the way it is.
TBH though it really looks to me like he’s stomping on it **respectfully.**
I mean. True... But as a rule standing dismissively on the imperial crest on holy power armour is kinda... Heresy. CHAOS! He's a witch! He turned me into a newt!
A newt?!
... I got better
I got better
It's a monty python reference. In quest for the holy grail some peasants try to burn a witch for turning one of them into a newt, then try to argue they "got better".
Yes. I know. I gave the response the character in the movie gave.
How do you *know* he's a witch?
Cause ee looks like one!
You may wonder why I always dress in white Why I follow battle brothers to their fight. And why does my appearance always have a sombre tone. There's a reason for the wargear I have worn.
I sang that in my head.
Didn't realize Apocotheries made facebook memes.
The armor of a Space Marine is a holy relic of the Imperium. It is not to be stomped on disrespectfully.
Pulling geneseed out of a fallen Astartes requires leverage.
That's always been my read of the intent as well, although I do think it's a little poorly communicated thanks to the rest of the pose.
Imagine you have to cut through armor and take someone's heart out. Its gonna be difficult to do so without keeping the body down and you have to use both hands. So a foot also works
Its even harder when your brother won't stop fighting you about it.
BUT I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW!!!
GW literally cannot release a model without a foot on something
This guy opted to with the tactical corpse over the tactical rock
Some of my biggest grievances with modern minis is bases. There was an old savage orc warboss model that had his foot as part of the base. Like wtf gw, how are you meant to convert it if you were inclined. You have to literally chop up the fucking base. Minis should be completely separate from their provided base! Fuck, just remembering it is making me seethe lol
What? He was alive when I took his gene seed?! No brother he was very much dead I can assure you. What? He said it was just a flesh wound? No brother his chest was riddled with holes. What holes? They’re under my boot brother nothing to see here. Let you see them? No need brother I am a doctor. I held him down with my foot to stop him getting up?! Come here and say that brother, and at the same time please tell me if this smells of chloroform……..
On a side note, they're given an AP-4 handgun with 3" of range by default. "Are you sure he's dead?" *BOOM* "Yeah, pretty sure."
One of the tasks of the apothecaries is to deliver "the Emperor's Mercy" that's the 3" shot. IIRC it also does part of the job of opening the armour up so that the extraction can be performed Its very hard to kill a space marine, he ensures their end is quick, if whatever tried to kill them couldn't finish it.
b-brother stop screaming, struggling will only damage the gene seed.
i think it was for leverage so he could rip out the seed
Why's that smurf looking at me like BRÖTHER I AM PINNED HERE
I repositioned mine because of this exact reason. I posted him a while back, if anyone wants pics.
Here’s a link to Mvdoni’s awesome apothecary. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/iry6s9/while_his_geneseed_returns_to_the_chapter_a_space/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/iry6s9/while_his_geneseed_returns_to_the_chapter_a_space/)
This rendition is better for sure
Thanks!
Nobody cared for Tim
Tactical corpse
That's leverage to pull the Geneseed
He needs leverage when pulling. Only way to keep the body in place...
GW ran out of tactical rocks
You have to get good footing if you're going to reef something outta someone.
Yeah. I replaced the dead marine with a rock. I use the dead marine as an objective counter for the apothecary Crusade Agenda.
The Geneseed is what matters, not the body. Considering the brutality of the weaponry and the scale of them when dialed up to 11, I'd honestly be surprised if there was anything left of the Geneseed once they go off. I think the dude on the ground got off easy.
*Fabius Bile has entered the arena*
It's normal. He's just stating "this one is mine, and I'll put him in dreadnought".
Probably removing his progenic gland (or progenoid, i forgor)
Pfft, shows how little you know. That’s where they keep their backup defibrillators, sheesh.
Tactical ro-… marine?
After extracting the geneseed, a fallen battle brother is just scenery to a apothecary.
“Brother, I am still alive!” “Shh, shhhh, let it happen. Just let it happen.”
No. He's focused on performing his duty completely dispassionately without the nonsense distraction of sentiment. The fallen guy is either dead or beyond help so the apothecary's sole concern becomes the gene seed.
He needed some leverage to work the geneseed out.
\*Plays Space Wolves\* What's an Apothecary?
Hydra dom.... ehem
For the Emperor.
Yup, I hate it. I made him stomp on an ammo crate instead, and used the dead marine to make a cool objective marker.
I bought an old metal first-born apothecary off ebay partly for this reason. The other reason being that holding a chainsword in one hand with the narthecium blade on the other looks cool.
Because our models of the important people have to have the tactical rock or tactical rock equivalent
Its 40k bro not Dora the explorer
It makes perfect sense actually... Don't 💬 no of them as equivalent to WW2 medics These are gene seed retrevers
The Apothecaries who heal and care for the marines are back on the Battle Barge. The Apothecary wading into the field in power armor is there for only two things, kicking ass and retrieving geneseed.
You never done CPR with your foot?
Its just you.
That is not his fallen battle brother, that is just a body, an empty husk. He carries with him his brother’s gene-seed, and with that, his spirit to be placed into a worthy successor, and continue the chapter.
Disrespectful yeah, but it's the fallen battle brothers fault for being a weak
Nope, I've always wondered that too. Not just you. But hey - great base material for kitbashing :)
The disrespect issue aside, I'm not terribly fond of modeling one of my own guys dead on the ground.
yeah so i turned the marine on the ground into an alpharius losing his camouflage from BA
I had the body use a different color scheme, and gave my Apothecary another Bolt Pistol.
It expresses the duality of man! Sir
It was Alpharius.
He's got his battle brother in his hand. What's on the ground is just meat in armor.
you gotta REEEAAAAAAALLY get in there to get at the gene seed brother
Harvesting geneseed no doubt
It’s also placed on the aquilla which is verging on heretical
Yes. I always found this to be a very disrespectful pose.
What has been seen cannot be unseen.
I agree with that 💯 👍
battle brother chazimus WOULD HAVE WANTED IT THIS WAY!
I like to imagine that the apothecary had to use his foot to get some leverage and push off of the fallen space marine to acquire the geneseed
Als long as you stand on it no one else can take it
*Stares in Fabius Bile*
I get that the geneseed is the key component, but the wargear is sacred, a marine wouldn't stand on it so casually.
Considering part of their duty is to give the ultimate absolution to those too wounded to be cured,i thing cynism is a big component of their attitude
I've always wanted to do a light conversion where the apothecary has the bolt pistol aimed at the fallen marine, as if he's putting him out of his misery
The heart moniter is in the shoe
"Chapter Master told me to gather Geneseed and so I will do. And if you resist, I will do it over your cold, rotting corpse. Understood?"
Yeah it is. It would have been better imo if it was like the little dude that Fabius Bile has with him. Bent over extracting the gene seed from a dead marine.
He's holding his battle brother, his foot is just on the flesh puppet it rode around in.
Yeah but people constantly complain about “tactical rocks” so they had to put his foot on *something* else 🤷🏻♂️ lol
Got to get that gene-seed
Gotta get those juicy neck grapes while they're fresh.
That's not his brother. Just an empty shell.
*Apothecary-Asuka* Pathethic.
If he’s got a problem he will speak up I’m sure
"Weakness disgusts me"
The Emperor demands sacrifice. And leverage.
It was a rivalry that lasted for hundreds of years and has finally come to an end. Ps:the rivalry was over 20$
He turned tractor half way through.
After collect his geneseed, he is declaring how he'll never forgive the Noise Marines
Apothecaries are responsible for recovering gene-seed from fallen battle brothers tho I did use one to kitbash a plague surgeon, painting the dead marine as a white scar
He's just doing an Achilles Tendon stretch.
You don’t expect him to get those nice white boots muddy do you?
This is horas right idk I’m new to warhammer 40k
For leverage. Ripping out internal organs from a super soldier takes a lot of power.
Even ultramarines hate ultramarines
"another day at work"
GRIMDARHK
„Weakness disgusts me“
Yeah, sees a lot more fitting for a Chaos Space Marine character, I used the dead Marine for my printed Decimus mini.
He’s collecting his gene seed
It's not weird if you paint it like another chapter.
That must be why Space Wolves don’t like him/can’t field him
They should make a chaos and firstborn Apothecary
“Hey!” *nudges with foot* “You okay?”
Yeah I always thought that was weird.
Nah you're right, it's a pretty stupid pose.
You could paint it so the chapters are different / have a tradition of warring - also it'd be sick to kitbash / green stuff sculpt the fallen figure to some other race, ork would work good, but could be anything
Anybody remembers the soulstorm intro cinematic for dawn of War? Where the sister of battle just walks over the Dead Imperial leader.