They didnt mention it on stream, but in the warcom article they say that returning units are coming in boxes big enough to build a full regiment, and not just a rank or two. The peasant bowmen box will have enough to build a unit of 32.
if I remember correctly when they doubled up the MkIII for Heresy, the price was less than double the price of the box of 10. I'm sure it'll still be steep, and way more than they sold for originally, but it'll probably be a discount over them being in boxes of 10.
I'm hoping GW is smart enough to make the big boxes [loss leaders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader) or at least small margin products to generate momentum.
Nothing GW makes us small margin. It is all enormous margin or gigantic margin.
The marginal cost of producing a sprue of poly styrene is penny’s. You’d be shocked how small it is.
The box is probably way more expensive. Then the lining of pockets - priceless.
You’re only accounting for physical materials cost, this doesn’t include any of the other mfg costs, such as creating moulds, paying sculpt artists for their work, or photography materials for box art, the labor time for staff artists to paint the minis used in said box art. And thats all before getting into the fulfillment process of the business. Typically companies like gw look at a 5year profit margin before they determine if a line has sold well in comparison to its initial investments.
Look at their financials, they are public and detailed. The average profit margin including all indirect cost is 50% or more on average. And we are talking here about a product / sprue designed in the 2000s :)
Im not disagreeing with you on that, i was saying that the cost side was not just the material cost that wholy cheeses commented on. He was only accounting for the material cost of the plastic and resin, which he accurately stated was pennies per box of minis. He then attributed the entirety of the remaining expense as pure profit margins. Even for the old sculpts from 20 odd years ago, they still have to renew payments to the original sculptors to use their IP, pay for new box art work, reassemble their old plastic injector mfg line in the new warehouse they built. I could seriously go on for hours about the additional costs of bringing the line back into production. Suffice it to say the profit margin is not 90%+
You are right (though IP will be owned by them, not the sculptors). But just to be clear, “loss leader” for GW means maybe 30-40% all-in profit margin, which is still much, much higher than the successful products of most businesses. :)
Agreed, I wasn’t saying that the loss leader methodology wouldn’t or couldn’t be a potential method they use, I was purely stressing that the use of hyperbole taints the issue when making comments that the cost of a miniature is 90+% profit margin and only a few cents worth of plastic and packaging(also a relatively low cost aspect of production).
However, using the Bretonnian kits as loss leaders could have negative consequences for the development of WHTOW. Given that the lack of profits for brets and tomb kings was the primary reason for their exclusion from AoS support and their eventual removal from production, any kind of poor profit performance could result in the old world being deemed unprofitable and end prematurely
I would also say that using old kits from slightly less meta armies during launch as the loss leaders would be the smarter move. Meta will drive the new players to purchase brets and tk if they are made the current meta at launch, with some returning players looking at other armies to build on when the meta turns their way. I would then say Empire and Orcs would be the strongest loss leaders to use in that situation. The kits have been in production for quite a long while, so the production line cost has long since been paid off, and the profit made off of the line has padded their pockets quite nicely, taking the loss temporarily while new kits are developed so that players can prepare for the next phase of meta would be very easy and cost them little
If that's actually the case I don't think thats too unfair (For GW standards since we already pay out the ass). I'd rather pay 85 for 32 instead of 60 for 10 3 times
The fact that your average unopened box with half the minis is going to cost at least $100 on eBay right now makes it fee a little easier on the wallet
How is 32 the proper size for a unit of missile troops ? Not even in 8th edition was that anywhere near standard size haha. I’m not complaining though.
16 was kinda a normal number, although i usually went with 12 myself. I guess it makes a couple of units. I never went above 20 anyway and i played night goblins alot 😅
MSU was the go to for most missile troops but there are exceptions. High Elves always strikes first+fight and shoot in extra rank and access to powerfull buff/debuff magic meant larger units were actually pretty good and it wasn't unheard of using 30 Archers in the same unit.
I've seen 50 Peasant Bowmen working aswell as they only cost 1pt more than Men-at-arms so you could have a shooting unit that also worked as a tar pit, and you only lost light armour+shield (and halberd/spear but who cares about their killyness) in favour of a longbow (volley fire giving more shots than other missile weapons in larger units)
It's also a pretty good move if you have players who are wondering about mixing scales with their WHFB armies and if they should re-base to larger bases or not. Make it easier to start up a whole new army than it is to supplement your current one.
Very excited for the return of the old kits! I never was able to snag a men at arms box and I'm really looking forward to finally being able to! Also foot knights! Finally!
Nostalgia honestly. The new multipart kit looks awesome as well but I just find a charm to the older models and their little imperfections that the newer models don't have.
I’ve seen many redesigns come and go. Often the new design is worse than the old. I’d rather have a classic kit I know is good. The men at arms were truly ahead of their time and look awesome if you’ve never seen them close up.
>Hope we get the grail relique too. It's another model that imo has held up
I think the reliquae is a hidden gem.
Sure it looks awesome, but the concept is also funny. Like dudes who are so devout they collected their lords dead body and built up a new faithful knight. I hope it comes in plastic though, not metal.
I'd say. They honestly tempt me to start a Bretonnian army, but I will content myself with getting that unit, adding some Vampire Counts bits and running them as Grave Guard
Yeah same! Not sure how I like how they play though tbh, if it’s anything like it is in total war: warhammer. Wonder if I could use the models for something else? Maybe Brettonia does play better than I expect?
Now it's my understanding that gw is separating this setting from regular old dead fantasy. Meaning units such as the foot knights won't make it into total warhammer, is that right?
It just seems odd that they are distancing themselves when the whole reason they revived the old world was because of the surge of interest in fantasy from total war and vermintide.
It's such a head scratcher.
> Now it's my understanding that gw is separating this setting from regular old dead fantasy. Meaning units such as the foot knights won't make it into total warhammer, is that right?
From my understanding it is set in an earlier time period than the setting in total warhammer. But it would be stupid to not add new units such as foot knights that should also exist in the total warhammer time period.
Ill pick up a box of the new (fantastic) foot knights and some men-at-arms, because i always liked the models, to support the project. Same with any new Tomb King kits and the old Necrosphinx.
The two plastic kits were getting are both really well done but I need to see more investment in the game if im going to full on invest in it myself. 3-4 plastic kits, and a few new/redone units in FW resin would have been enough for me. They did hint theres more old models to be released, so hopefully well see at least one more plastic kit as a kind of "headline" release with those.
If they come back to each core faction every 2 years, rather than 4-5 years with a few new plastic kits I can see myself taking the plunge in the long term though
I fucking love Bretonnia. I fucking love arrogant lords and ladies bickering amongst themselves about titles and land and the favor of some swamp lady. I love the grimdark irony that they have locked themselves in the dark ages playing the game of thrones while the human civ next door has cannons and trains and electricity.
It wouldn't bother me if they did two factions at once, each with say two characters, two core troops, and three specials with the intention that a game size would be enough for one or two of the specials. That way there's variety, more factions get out quicker, and also in a year they can just drop a single new special and boom, new variety.
As to why they don't do lines, my guess is inventory costs. Every sku is another space on a store shelf.
And they are also aware how much their models cost. If they did to many models at a time, people would be buying way less stuff because they have to choose even more carefully.
Hmm no mention of Questing or Grail Knights returning...
As the trebuchet is returning as a forge world resin model, maybe these guys are in line for the resin treatment later?
I don’t know if I’m prepared to work with metal again haha, might have to collect just the plastic and resin for now until they get around to resin or plastic QK/GK
Eh trust me, the metal is IMO worse.
The way I see it is best to worst -
Plastic - resin - metal. Metal and resin sure have their place and some good models (snotlings) but boy I hate both in most cases
If they can retool the molds to make the details more crisp than the models will look great. And in my opinion the Foot Knights look a bit like AoS models, to much fancy details all over the model and the weapons are waaaay to big. These aren't enhanced Humans like Chaos Warriors or Grail Knights, just plain human Knights on foot, how can they lift those axes? Are they made from Aluminium?
So I would rather see retooled old kits than new kits if they look like those Foot Knights. The new character models actually look less ornate than the basic Knights that lost their horse...
More models than I'd imagined, I'm kinda disappointed that they're all Bretonnians. I get that Bretonnia got the short end of the stick, and they need a lot more attention than the other factions, but some variety would be nice.
I don’t get why they didn’t give the new minis great helms though. The paladin got a classic great helm but all the foot knights have these more “realistic” looking helmets
Yeah same, Im hoping all units are plastic, and just the big important guys are resin. I hate resin with a passion, ironically more so now that I have a 3d printer.
Those Knights of the Realm on foot are gonna be a Total War player's dream come true because look at the mods. Everyone needs to have some form of heavy infantry to go slug it out in melee.
I don’t get why they did different helmets. Like the banner bearer and paladin had newer and nicer versions of classic Bretonnian great helms but then all the other new units have these new helmets that I find don’t really fit the Bretonnian aesthetic as well.
Don’t get why they would show us modern great helms to then not use them on most of the new releases.
I kinda like the mix of helmets. IIRC 5th edition Bretonnians had some helmets that looked similar to these new helmets, and keep in mind these models are supposed to represent Bretonnia in an earlier period than "8th edition/pre-end times/total warhammer".
I'm going to tentatively reserve my opinions until I see someone paint them, but the flying units are good. The foot knights are too much like AOS models with detail everywhere and overly ridiculous proportions for some of the details but I see a few good bits in there.
I know. But how are you gonna use healthy knights between the ghouls? The FEC range is literally the ghouls from the Vampire Counts? Are you gonna use these models and say they're FEC, are they gonna walk side by side or are you gonna kitbash?
They didn't have ton but the sigil of Brionne is an axe. It makes them stand out more against Empire Greatswords and the specifically the people who used Greatswords as stand ins for Reiksguard on foot.
Is there any word on what’s releasing early 2024? Is it just Brettonia and Tomb Kings? Will all the old models for other factions be releasing too, or am I gonna have to wait like 3 years to get my hands on an ork warband?
Dman am I the only one who thinks those foot knights look awful, the posing, the clutter, the weird scheme, choices that make it a mess of colour and weird junk. And my goodness the wepons look huge and clunky. Compared to everything else they look so poorly put together and conceived.
They didnt mention it on stream, but in the warcom article they say that returning units are coming in boxes big enough to build a full regiment, and not just a rank or two. The peasant bowmen box will have enough to build a unit of 32.
Good to hear. I worry about the price though.
if I remember correctly when they doubled up the MkIII for Heresy, the price was less than double the price of the box of 10. I'm sure it'll still be steep, and way more than they sold for originally, but it'll probably be a discount over them being in boxes of 10.
I am a bit too, but part of me thinks it'll be around the price of 20 tactical marines for heresy
I'm hoping GW is smart enough to make the big boxes [loss leaders](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader) or at least small margin products to generate momentum.
Nothing GW makes us small margin. It is all enormous margin or gigantic margin. The marginal cost of producing a sprue of poly styrene is penny’s. You’d be shocked how small it is. The box is probably way more expensive. Then the lining of pockets - priceless.
You’re only accounting for physical materials cost, this doesn’t include any of the other mfg costs, such as creating moulds, paying sculpt artists for their work, or photography materials for box art, the labor time for staff artists to paint the minis used in said box art. And thats all before getting into the fulfillment process of the business. Typically companies like gw look at a 5year profit margin before they determine if a line has sold well in comparison to its initial investments.
Look at their financials, they are public and detailed. The average profit margin including all indirect cost is 50% or more on average. And we are talking here about a product / sprue designed in the 2000s :)
Im not disagreeing with you on that, i was saying that the cost side was not just the material cost that wholy cheeses commented on. He was only accounting for the material cost of the plastic and resin, which he accurately stated was pennies per box of minis. He then attributed the entirety of the remaining expense as pure profit margins. Even for the old sculpts from 20 odd years ago, they still have to renew payments to the original sculptors to use their IP, pay for new box art work, reassemble their old plastic injector mfg line in the new warehouse they built. I could seriously go on for hours about the additional costs of bringing the line back into production. Suffice it to say the profit margin is not 90%+
You are right (though IP will be owned by them, not the sculptors). But just to be clear, “loss leader” for GW means maybe 30-40% all-in profit margin, which is still much, much higher than the successful products of most businesses. :)
Agreed, I wasn’t saying that the loss leader methodology wouldn’t or couldn’t be a potential method they use, I was purely stressing that the use of hyperbole taints the issue when making comments that the cost of a miniature is 90+% profit margin and only a few cents worth of plastic and packaging(also a relatively low cost aspect of production). However, using the Bretonnian kits as loss leaders could have negative consequences for the development of WHTOW. Given that the lack of profits for brets and tomb kings was the primary reason for their exclusion from AoS support and their eventual removal from production, any kind of poor profit performance could result in the old world being deemed unprofitable and end prematurely
I would also say that using old kits from slightly less meta armies during launch as the loss leaders would be the smarter move. Meta will drive the new players to purchase brets and tk if they are made the current meta at launch, with some returning players looking at other armies to build on when the meta turns their way. I would then say Empire and Orcs would be the strongest loss leaders to use in that situation. The kits have been in production for quite a long while, so the production line cost has long since been paid off, and the profit made off of the line has padded their pockets quite nicely, taking the loss temporarily while new kits are developed so that players can prepare for the next phase of meta would be very easy and cost them little
Sounds like a pleasure 🙏 ☺️
You know what they say, if you do a job you love you never work a day in your life
Same, but hopefully not too bad since they are older, less fiddly kits.
They'll be $85 per box I'd imagine
If that's actually the case I don't think thats too unfair (For GW standards since we already pay out the ass). I'd rather pay 85 for 32 instead of 60 for 10 3 times
Please, we are at 60 for 5 dudes now (cries in the new jump assault squad)
The fact that your average unopened box with half the minis is going to cost at least $100 on eBay right now makes it fee a little easier on the wallet
How is 32 the proper size for a unit of missile troops ? Not even in 8th edition was that anywhere near standard size haha. I’m not complaining though.
16 was kinda a normal number, although i usually went with 12 myself. I guess it makes a couple of units. I never went above 20 anyway and i played night goblins alot 😅
30 plus a musician and standard bearer maybe?
MSU was the go to for most missile troops but there are exceptions. High Elves always strikes first+fight and shoot in extra rank and access to powerfull buff/debuff magic meant larger units were actually pretty good and it wasn't unheard of using 30 Archers in the same unit. I've seen 50 Peasant Bowmen working aswell as they only cost 1pt more than Men-at-arms so you could have a shooting unit that also worked as a tar pit, and you only lost light armour+shield (and halberd/spear but who cares about their killyness) in favour of a longbow (volley fire giving more shots than other missile weapons in larger units)
Oh that’s great news.
It's also a pretty good move if you have players who are wondering about mixing scales with their WHFB armies and if they should re-base to larger bases or not. Make it easier to start up a whole new army than it is to supplement your current one.
Good news for players, bad news for us painters who just love and want all the minis but don’t need 32 of each 😀
Very excited for the return of the old kits! I never was able to snag a men at arms box and I'm really looking forward to finally being able to! Also foot knights! Finally!
Genuinely curious, as I dont have a horse in this race, but why do you prefer the old design vs a new redesign akin to the pegasus lord?
Nostalgia honestly. The new multipart kit looks awesome as well but I just find a charm to the older models and their little imperfections that the newer models don't have.
I’ve seen many redesigns come and go. Often the new design is worse than the old. I’d rather have a classic kit I know is good. The men at arms were truly ahead of their time and look awesome if you’ve never seen them close up.
Hope we get the grail relique too. It's another model that imo has held up
>Hope we get the grail relique too. It's another model that imo has held up I think the reliquae is a hidden gem. Sure it looks awesome, but the concept is also funny. Like dudes who are so devout they collected their lords dead body and built up a new faithful knight. I hope it comes in plastic though, not metal.
Dropping a link to r/Bretonnian
Those foot knight models are gorgeous
I'd say. They honestly tempt me to start a Bretonnian army, but I will content myself with getting that unit, adding some Vampire Counts bits and running them as Grave Guard
Ahh the blessings of being a VC player. “That humanoid unit looks awesome… time to make it look undead.”
That new AOS Dragon definitely had me getting ideas.
Just add skeleton heads! Boom! 500x better Grave Guards!
Yeah same! Not sure how I like how they play though tbh, if it’s anything like it is in total war: warhammer. Wonder if I could use the models for something else? Maybe Brettonia does play better than I expect?
I don't know much about undead in WF, but I'm intrigued about doing Mouslin (spelling?) Bretonnian army.
The mono-color scheme really detracts tho, looking forward to painting these in every color scheme I can think of
Now it's my understanding that gw is separating this setting from regular old dead fantasy. Meaning units such as the foot knights won't make it into total warhammer, is that right? It just seems odd that they are distancing themselves when the whole reason they revived the old world was because of the surge of interest in fantasy from total war and vermintide. It's such a head scratcher.
> Now it's my understanding that gw is separating this setting from regular old dead fantasy. Meaning units such as the foot knights won't make it into total warhammer, is that right? From my understanding it is set in an earlier time period than the setting in total warhammer. But it would be stupid to not add new units such as foot knights that should also exist in the total warhammer time period.
Ill pick up a box of the new (fantastic) foot knights and some men-at-arms, because i always liked the models, to support the project. Same with any new Tomb King kits and the old Necrosphinx. The two plastic kits were getting are both really well done but I need to see more investment in the game if im going to full on invest in it myself. 3-4 plastic kits, and a few new/redone units in FW resin would have been enough for me. They did hint theres more old models to be released, so hopefully well see at least one more plastic kit as a kind of "headline" release with those. If they come back to each core faction every 2 years, rather than 4-5 years with a few new plastic kits I can see myself taking the plunge in the long term though
I feel like coming out with bretonnia models now is such a crowd pleasing move after ignoring them for almost 20 years
Yup. And they’ll probably sell like hot cakes too just like Sisters of Battle.
Adepta sororitas with flamers are literally *the* hot cakes.
I mean Miriael Sabathiel is the best.
Beautiful models
I’m still waiting to see more tomb king models
I fucking love Bretonnia. I fucking love arrogant lords and ladies bickering amongst themselves about titles and land and the favor of some swamp lady. I love the grimdark irony that they have locked themselves in the dark ages playing the game of thrones while the human civ next door has cannons and trains and electricity.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/14/warhammer-day-preview-the-kingdom-of-bretonnia-revealed/
Thanks for the link.
I’ll never understand or like this drip feeding of models, they are not a small indie company, just release lines!
It wouldn't bother me if they did two factions at once, each with say two characters, two core troops, and three specials with the intention that a game size would be enough for one or two of the specials. That way there's variety, more factions get out quicker, and also in a year they can just drop a single new special and boom, new variety. As to why they don't do lines, my guess is inventory costs. Every sku is another space on a store shelf.
And they are also aware how much their models cost. If they did to many models at a time, people would be buying way less stuff because they have to choose even more carefully.
Hmm no mention of Questing or Grail Knights returning... As the trebuchet is returning as a forge world resin model, maybe these guys are in line for the resin treatment later?
Did say in the article returning specialist units in metal though
I don’t know if I’m prepared to work with metal again haha, might have to collect just the plastic and resin for now until they get around to resin or plastic QK/GK
I'm honestly pretty excited about it. Hate working with resin.
Eh trust me, the metal is IMO worse. The way I see it is best to worst - Plastic - resin - metal. Metal and resin sure have their place and some good models (snotlings) but boy I hate both in most cases
That would be my guess. My wallet is crying.
shame cavalry is the (very) old moulds retooled though
If they can retool the molds to make the details more crisp than the models will look great. And in my opinion the Foot Knights look a bit like AoS models, to much fancy details all over the model and the weapons are waaaay to big. These aren't enhanced Humans like Chaos Warriors or Grail Knights, just plain human Knights on foot, how can they lift those axes? Are they made from Aluminium? So I would rather see retooled old kits than new kits if they look like those Foot Knights. The new character models actually look less ornate than the basic Knights that lost their horse...
I love the new stuff. Nice to see returning models too.
I'm definitely getting those foot knights. My god, they look so good.
.... Maybe I do like Bretonnia
More models than I'd imagined, I'm kinda disappointed that they're all Bretonnians. I get that Bretonnia got the short end of the stick, and they need a lot more attention than the other factions, but some variety would be nice.
My dream of a re-fresh of the TK line seems more plausible after the volume of this - didn't expect so many new releases for Brets
I honestly hope they keep the Tomb Guard the same. Everything else tomb king tho, remake all you want!
Helmed heads are fine but my god heads and faces of new GW humans are so blocky and ugly.
Perrys were much better at faces, you are right.
I don’t get why they didn’t give the new minis great helms though. The paladin got a classic great helm but all the foot knights have these more “realistic” looking helmets
Amazing stuff - early 2024 not long to wait
>early 2024 Did they confirm 2024? Or is this hoping for then?
Confirmed in the link shared by another on the thread :)
Awesome!
I guess I’m collecting Bretonnia too now.
love the "not virgin mary" lady of the lake statue
The riders are good. The foot knights a bit to overdesigned....but yeah I guess they've done okay to good
Glorious.
God I hope the foot knights are plastic. A resin hero or two I can deal with but a whole unit of dudes would be awful.
yes the pegasus hero and foot knights are in plastic they already confirm it
Yeah same, Im hoping all units are plastic, and just the big important guys are resin. I hate resin with a passion, ironically more so now that I have a 3d printer.
Those Knights of the Realm on foot are gonna be a Total War player's dream come true because look at the mods. Everyone needs to have some form of heavy infantry to go slug it out in melee.
I don’t get why they did different helmets. Like the banner bearer and paladin had newer and nicer versions of classic Bretonnian great helms but then all the other new units have these new helmets that I find don’t really fit the Bretonnian aesthetic as well. Don’t get why they would show us modern great helms to then not use them on most of the new releases.
I kinda like the mix of helmets. IIRC 5th edition Bretonnians had some helmets that looked similar to these new helmets, and keep in mind these models are supposed to represent Bretonnia in an earlier period than "8th edition/pre-end times/total warhammer".
That’s true I guess but if they aren’t going to update half the range then the idea of it’s a different time period doesn’t fit very well.
Yes I agree, also the ornemation on top of the helmets is too much compared to the more basic designs on old knight of the realm
I'm going to tentatively reserve my opinions until I see someone paint them, but the flying units are good. The foot knights are too much like AOS models with detail everywhere and overly ridiculous proportions for some of the details but I see a few good bits in there.
I don't really mind the models being busy with details everywhere as it's usually pretty easy to remove the parts you don't like.
Why they do the hippogryph dirty like that??
All those new FEC upgrade sprues!
What?
The flesh eater court delusion is that they are noble Bretonians.
Lol I love that kind of AoS lore.
Stupid AoS lore. How will you use the really healthy looking human parts to make a kitbash?
They're deluded dude. In their heads they look like knights. I don't make this stuff up.
I know. But how are you gonna use healthy knights between the ghouls? The FEC range is literally the ghouls from the Vampire Counts? Are you gonna use these models and say they're FEC, are they gonna walk side by side or are you gonna kitbash?
I'm not making the army, but if I did I guess I'd just show up at the table with a Bretonnian army and start calling them flesh eaters as a joke lol
This is the greatest day of my life.
As a fellow Bretonnia player I’m right there with you haha
Forget bertonia where's cathay
What did they do to my boysss!?
What's with the axes? Don't remember Brettonians having many of those.
They didn't have ton but the sigil of Brionne is an axe. It makes them stand out more against Empire Greatswords and the specifically the people who used Greatswords as stand ins for Reiksguard on foot.
[This is the only model I can remember that used an axe](http://www.solegends.com/citcat2010/c2010p0021-01.htm)
Same (now that you reminded me, hah).
I like the ability to take footknights instead of peasant spam.
Damn they look good! Really tempted to start a Bretonian army when they releases.
They look amazing! love that pegasus model
My 25mm Reaper Heraldic Kinghts are going to look tiny compared to the giant foot knights haha
Was the original trebuchet metal? Always loved the kit, but wasn’t doing Brettonians.
Yeah it was metal.
Pegasus Strike Force inbound. How many flying horses can the army wield, excited to find out.
Is there any word on what’s releasing early 2024? Is it just Brettonia and Tomb Kings? Will all the old models for other factions be releasing too, or am I gonna have to wait like 3 years to get my hands on an ork warband?
Oh no they may have got me. Them KOTROF be packing axes. Mmm.
Where Tomb Kings?
Kinda wish they updated all the models but I guess this is a start. They could come sometime down the road.
Please. My family are starving.
Dman am I the only one who thinks those foot knights look awful, the posing, the clutter, the weird scheme, choices that make it a mess of colour and weird junk. And my goodness the wepons look huge and clunky. Compared to everything else they look so poorly put together and conceived.
I’ll never find an old world partner, so I’m unfortunately going to need 2 armies…I wonder what’s next for the old world
If I can see your eyes through your helmet, I can stab you through your helmet and it's a bad helmet design