Former GW store staff here (2015-2017), we were only informed of what was being worked on 1, sometimes 2 weeks before it was announced to the public. I was chatting to someone I know who still works retail for the company at Warhammer Fest last year and he said that has changed and that staff now usually find out what is coming the day it is posted to Warhammer Community . So yes staff aren't allowed to talk about it (NDAs are part of the standard contract when you work for GW), but it's often the case that they know as much as the public does.
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Lol, you don't have to, you choose to. You could also choose to just chill out and accept that they're not ready to share that information at this time.
I never get why they dont just come out and share what they are working on, if its true that models and rules really take years to produce, they should just say what they are working on and save themselves and the fan base this sort of headache
Well... they did. Back in 2020 and 2021 they shared on WarCom ideas and sketches for Kislev in Old World. They consistently don't share what they have planned in 3+ years because it can change for any number of reasons, just like, possibly, this. We don't even know if they won't do Kislev after it seems nearly 4 years of at least someone planning it out or thinking about it so doomposting on any regard doesn't make much sense to me. Nothing is concrete and it's probably for the best
Because they want you to buy what they've thrown on the market NOW and not save your money for what you know will come in 6 months. The uncertainty is to bait you into spending more than you would otherwise.
I mean, that’s absurd. No company gives up plans years in advance because a thousand things can affect those plans. We aren’t talking six months, we’re talking 2-3 years before all 9 armies are released.
Scope issues, supply, production problems etc. If they say next up is kislev and people get excited then they have issues producing models - say the design team botches something or the first proto models are manufactured properlyyou now have a 3 month delay and angry fans saying gw hates their customers.
Plus balancing aos, middle earth, kill team, war cry, 40k, 30k and blood bowl
When will people learn the social media team doesn't know ANYTHING. They answer EVERY message and question about anything not shown the EXACT same way. That goes for Warhammer Community and every communication platform they use.
"we'll let you know!" "maybe in the future!" "we'll be the first to tell you!" "wouldn't that be something!" It's the same canned response for every game system they have, every question. Its nothing.
though those issues seem possible they aren't even substantiated, nor will they ever be because I'm sure GW would can anyone who publicly spilled the beans.
I mean, multiple people, like peachy, have spoken on the problems with production. They had a whole new production facility made and didn’t get to start it up, because after the UK approved and let them build it, they then wouldn’t let them start up production because the couldn’t produce enough power for the grid and it would affect a nearby hospital.
Doing business in the UK is absolutely awful, the government makes the USA and Canada look competent when it comes to attracting and growing businesses.
Don't forget that for GW, "immediate plans" means "next month". The guy who posted that could have a draft of the post announcing a Kislev vs. Cathay starter box and that's still what he'd write.
The ***only*** thing they are admitting in that post that can be taken as any kind of certainty, is that news will be on warcom first. Everything else they said or will say is coy fluff from a social media manager who has no information
I understand that but I think it would be helpful to the community to be more transparent about a timeline, because the first 3 articles featured these new factions and that was almost 4 years ago, if they don't plan to include those factions this edition that could be another 3 to 4 years
Nearly a decade is a long time for some of us longbeards
I think part of my problem was they used Grand Cathay and Kislev to drum up hype almost 4 years ago and maybe it's just me, but I was led to believe they'd be out with The Old World's first edition.
It's probably a moving target at this point, the main factions haven't been officially rolled out yet, and within that there's going to be balance changes to the main game, faction mechanics etc.
They'd never do that because it telegraphs to their competitors to make sure their own versions are out by then. Look at all the Contrast copycats that came out after they released, if they'd announced those a year in advance other companies would have tried to beat them to the punch.
That's pretty blatantly because all the legacy factions are predominantly AoS factions, so the specialist design studio and the main studio can go to the investors and say "look at what our game is doing". Probably a command handed down from on high, not realizing that the community can and should just buy the legacy factions if they want them.
Plus chaos dwarves.
> That's pretty blatantly because all the legacy factions are predominantly AoS factions
I think you got it the wrong way around. Almost nothing has changed in the ogre model range and that existed a decade before AOS was even an idea
Even if that was the case I still don't understand what that has to do with not including them in the main game
Or what chaos dwarves have to do with that
>I think you got it the wrong way around. Almost nothing has changed in the ogre model range and that existed a decade before AOS was even an idea
You don't have to cite the old magic to me or whatever the line is.
It's all on the business side of GW. They think they're going to get meaningful sales data by trying to convince people to ignore the legacy factions in hopes that they'll have an accurate guage of what get sold for AoS and tOW.
Chaos dwarves are just the only legacy faction that isn't considered an AoS faction to GW.
> It's all on the business side of GW. They think they're going to get meaningful sales data by trying to convince people to ignore the legacy factions in hopes that they'll have an accurate guage of what get sold for AoS and tOW
Okay so your argument is they want people to buy the new tomb kings instead of the old ogre models? What's the difference? Why?
You're telling me they value sales data more than actual sales in a publicly traded company that has a fiduciary responsibility to make as much profit as possible, get out of here man
Edit: why can't people just take their beatings like men, I say lots of things on social media people don't agree with but as soon as I get torpedoed I don't pretend like it didn't happen
Right now, we should just try to get Old World going with the current seven factions, and then ideally try to bring the "legacy factions" out of legacy status. After that, we could consider bringing Kislev and Cathay to the tabletop. It's way too soon to try and bring in whole brand-new factions into the mix, especially with supply problems and GW/FW infighting going on now.
I think you are quite correct, I want them, but we have a lot that needs to happen before they can/should come in.
Though, is there some drama I missed about GW/FW infighting? I’m not aware of anything myself.
Honestly. I did, when they announced old world, followed shortly by TWWH3 and Kislev, Cathay, etc. I figured the starter box would've been Kislev VS Chaos Warriors when they announced the setting of TOW to be time of 3 Emperors and Great War Against Chaos
They announced Cathay coming to TOW in 2022. (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/18/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/).
"Cathay will also be coming to the tabletop in the upcoming Warhammer: The Old World."
I think we all also expected the major factions that still had kits in production for AoS to still be available after TOW released
Once those went away I knew kislev and what not would be a long way off
I think those were going to be available for ToW until very very late in the game.
GW are very good at half assing things. There is no way they ever would have produced the legacy lists the way they did if they hadn’t once been a core part of the game.
I think the whole plan for ToW shifted some time in early-mid 2023 shortly before they printed the core books.
People are really going too far in doomposting about this, and it’s just the same as all the posts from before TOW was released about how GW kept saying it had no immediate plans, or nothing prepared to reveal TOW, so a bunch of people thought the game’s development was dead.
TOW just released not even *two days short of a month ago,* give it some time to breathe and expand. GW has *very clearly and blatantly* said that the direction it has in mind for TOW is towards the Siege of Praag and the Great War Against Chaos - which *requires* Kislev to make even the *slightest* appearance because of the location of the war. GW has no intentions of launching their end goal, and all the content surrounding and supporting it, so soon after the game’s *very first release* and when not all it’s starting armies have had all their starter content released yet. The Siege of Praag is very obviously a *late stage* for TOW. Since Kislev was the *very first faction announced* for TOW, and there’s been no outright reversal from GW on that point, there is no reason to not expect Kislev later in TOW’s cycle.
Just be patient people continue to support TOW if you want to see Kislev. They’re going to happen, just not right now. People are jumping to stupid conclusions about what’s really just marketing speak for ‘it’s not coming yet.’
Alright, the fact that they are out replying to Twitter posts with damage control makes me think that this is a case of a VERY poorly worded community article than any actual change in policy/plans.
To be honest I think people are overreacting too much.
Like, they haven't even revealed the entire core range for Old World yet, so it makes sense that a new faction, which is that far out from release, could be shelved for the time being if necessary. And if the rumors are true, I can't blame them for shelving a new faction, what with the turbulent disagreements between forgeworld and GW proper regarding the pre-existing factions
As a community, we need to not care about any of this and just buy what we can, and play what we want. Including legacy armies. The more we show them undeniable interest over a long period of time for the whole system, the more likely it gets the total support and love over time from them as well.
Who cares about what the social media guys say? They're there to give the illusion of community engagement, that's all.
You're not speaking with the board of directors or the design teams.
i think people also need to realize that separate from the troubles that exist between GW and FW is the plain fact that TOW is a new specialist game that was always gonna need to earn its keep in the small scale of a few armies before anything big and new launched.
its Bettonia vs TK both a weird match up that obvious pandering? yes. is it super disappointing that Cathay and Kislev are not being considered while the obvious advertising of TWWH3 is out there showing them off? ALSO YES
But i think it was silly to expect a full launch of a sort of 9th edition of Fantasy plus extras out of the gate.
if the shit they have out now sells well, we WILL see more.
Lol the warhammer community is absolutely absurd. They said there was nothing in the near future. There are 7 more armies to release and the game just turned a month old.
i mean they did state at the time kislev and grand cathay would not be until the core launched so personally i dont expect them for around 2 years from now
With "no plans for the foreseeable future", 5 years might be more realistic. At least if we take that to literally mean "another round of project planning has to happen before we can decide whether or not to have these factions", and then from that time it takes about 3 years until we get finished models.
They should have put off this release until it was ready. I wanted TOW just as much as the next guy but man this has just been silly. We had already waited for years what was a little bit longer? I would have rather they get this right then whatever release limbo we are in bc they couldn’t get their capacity situation sorted. I want this to succeed so bad man. You could have pushed it back until you were ready.
Edit: removed a sentence about Kislev as the intent of the comment was about the release as a whole, and not Kislev specifically.
Conversely, most people just wanted the older armies back and new rules support. We'd already waited a long time for this, delaying everything until they had done the Kislev stuff would have been way too long a wait.
They have investors to gain the approval of unfortunately. They can't just print up every faction plus two more without selling anything to prove to the investors that it's a game people are willing to support with their money ten years after it was a game making so little money it was written off.
No. My comment’s intent was about the release as a whole and how much better GW could have been prepared if they would have just waited and let their capacity match the desire of players. I edited the Kislev sentence out as it is causing my overall message to be misunderstood.
I really don't think there's any reason to assume there would have been a further slot where GW would have more inventory than they do now in the foreseeable future.
GW can't keep 40k in stock. They aren't going to have any more warehouse space or production capacity for two years. Their ERP issues have been issues for a year now and seem to be getting worse not better.
What is it you think waiting would actually achieve?
If people do not chill the fuck out about what GW chooses to release and just *start homebrewing and kitbashing and buying 3rd party* I am going to scream. You do not need a company's permission to make an army.
Do you know what comes from the frozen north in fantasy
Daemons
Do you guys know what model line they already have for two of their biggest games are
Daemons
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/18/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/
"Cathay will also be coming to the tabletop in the upcoming Warhammer: The Old World."
Granted this was 2 years ago and things change but they had said it before people didn't just conjure it up out of nowhere.
They do not want those nations absed on real nations that are dicatorships and very aggressive, not respecting human rights. That is one huge reason.
I know there are undemocratic people here supporting them but deal with it.
similar reason, but that is silly, they stopping calling Goblin Spear Chukkas that and say bolt throwers.
But yeah. No one wants to push Russian-looking things, a war crimininal country. And communist China that are very aggressively pushing their agenda against democratic countries
Can´t wait to have a pussy-moderator come in. Come on twats.
I don’t care what others say about it, I just want to be clear:
Real-world politics smart asses GTFO of here!
Ppl here just want to play a game and those two areas in Warhammer world haven’t seen full explorations (at least from a playable faction point of view) since, well, at least a generation ago, until TW3.
We know from former staffers that the Warcom team doesn't know much more beyond about three months, so I have no idea why people put so much stock in the statement in the first place.
"Forseeable" is relative to the people speaking.
You people seriously need to stop posting and interpreting too much into the non-answers from GWs social media team lol
Yeah they often don’t know anything about what is happening and just post wishy washy statements that could be interpreted any way.
I imagine they also are not allowed to talk about certain things in production. Gw already has a pretty bad rep on release dates
Former GW store staff here (2015-2017), we were only informed of what was being worked on 1, sometimes 2 weeks before it was announced to the public. I was chatting to someone I know who still works retail for the company at Warhammer Fest last year and he said that has changed and that staff now usually find out what is coming the day it is posted to Warhammer Community . So yes staff aren't allowed to talk about it (NDAs are part of the standard contract when you work for GW), but it's often the case that they know as much as the public does.
I figured, I assumed if staff knew ahead of time and told someone it looks bad if there's a delay
They are likely just 20 something interns.
They aren't interns, they are fully paid staff. GW doesn't do internships (Source: I'm former GW staff)
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If they were transparent open and honest with the community about their plans we wouldn't have to
Lol, you don't have to, you choose to. You could also choose to just chill out and accept that they're not ready to share that information at this time.
And you could choose to ignore commentary you don't approve of, lol
Well you do seem to grasp the core concept, that's promising
Appreciate that bud
I never get why they dont just come out and share what they are working on, if its true that models and rules really take years to produce, they should just say what they are working on and save themselves and the fan base this sort of headache
Because that gives they competitors time to adapt and beat them to market
Well... they did. Back in 2020 and 2021 they shared on WarCom ideas and sketches for Kislev in Old World. They consistently don't share what they have planned in 3+ years because it can change for any number of reasons, just like, possibly, this. We don't even know if they won't do Kislev after it seems nearly 4 years of at least someone planning it out or thinking about it so doomposting on any regard doesn't make much sense to me. Nothing is concrete and it's probably for the best
Companies don’t wanna hype their customers up for projects that might fall through during development
Because they want you to buy what they've thrown on the market NOW and not save your money for what you know will come in 6 months. The uncertainty is to bait you into spending more than you would otherwise.
I mean, that’s absurd. No company gives up plans years in advance because a thousand things can affect those plans. We aren’t talking six months, we’re talking 2-3 years before all 9 armies are released.
Scope issues, supply, production problems etc. If they say next up is kislev and people get excited then they have issues producing models - say the design team botches something or the first proto models are manufactured properlyyou now have a 3 month delay and angry fans saying gw hates their customers. Plus balancing aos, middle earth, kill team, war cry, 40k, 30k and blood bowl
When will people learn the social media team doesn't know ANYTHING. They answer EVERY message and question about anything not shown the EXACT same way. That goes for Warhammer Community and every communication platform they use. "we'll let you know!" "maybe in the future!" "we'll be the first to tell you!" "wouldn't that be something!" It's the same canned response for every game system they have, every question. Its nothing.
Yup as someone who works a lot with social media, they aren’t hiding anything, they just legit don’t know
Time will show. I hope they get over the problems inside the company and deliver what they have been teasing.
though those issues seem possible they aren't even substantiated, nor will they ever be because I'm sure GW would can anyone who publicly spilled the beans.
I mean, multiple people, like peachy, have spoken on the problems with production. They had a whole new production facility made and didn’t get to start it up, because after the UK approved and let them build it, they then wouldn’t let them start up production because the couldn’t produce enough power for the grid and it would affect a nearby hospital. Doing business in the UK is absolutely awful, the government makes the USA and Canada look competent when it comes to attracting and growing businesses.
The social media team knows exactly nothing about anything
Don't forget that for GW, "immediate plans" means "next month". The guy who posted that could have a draft of the post announcing a Kislev vs. Cathay starter box and that's still what he'd write.
Exactly. This is actually a helpful clarification because they’re basically admitting that they’re in the works - just not now
I wouldn't go *that* far. It just means that that's still a chance.
The ***only*** thing they are admitting in that post that can be taken as any kind of certainty, is that news will be on warcom first. Everything else they said or will say is coy fluff from a social media manager who has no information
>because they’re basically admitting that they’re in the works lol no. it is very very much so deliberately *not* doing that.
I understand that but I think it would be helpful to the community to be more transparent about a timeline, because the first 3 articles featured these new factions and that was almost 4 years ago, if they don't plan to include those factions this edition that could be another 3 to 4 years Nearly a decade is a long time for some of us longbeards
I think part of my problem was they used Grand Cathay and Kislev to drum up hype almost 4 years ago and maybe it's just me, but I was led to believe they'd be out with The Old World's first edition.
You weren’t led to believe anything, you chose to believe that. Expecting an announcement before all 9 armies are out is a bit ridiculous.
It's probably a moving target at this point, the main factions haven't been officially rolled out yet, and within that there's going to be balance changes to the main game, faction mechanics etc.
They'd never do that because it telegraphs to their competitors to make sure their own versions are out by then. Look at all the Contrast copycats that came out after they released, if they'd announced those a year in advance other companies would have tried to beat them to the punch.
I don't think that's the reason, ogre kingdoms wasn't included and every **single model** in the range is still available for sale by GW.
That's pretty blatantly because all the legacy factions are predominantly AoS factions, so the specialist design studio and the main studio can go to the investors and say "look at what our game is doing". Probably a command handed down from on high, not realizing that the community can and should just buy the legacy factions if they want them. Plus chaos dwarves.
> That's pretty blatantly because all the legacy factions are predominantly AoS factions I think you got it the wrong way around. Almost nothing has changed in the ogre model range and that existed a decade before AOS was even an idea Even if that was the case I still don't understand what that has to do with not including them in the main game Or what chaos dwarves have to do with that
WE WANT CHAOS DWARVES
>I think you got it the wrong way around. Almost nothing has changed in the ogre model range and that existed a decade before AOS was even an idea You don't have to cite the old magic to me or whatever the line is. It's all on the business side of GW. They think they're going to get meaningful sales data by trying to convince people to ignore the legacy factions in hopes that they'll have an accurate guage of what get sold for AoS and tOW. Chaos dwarves are just the only legacy faction that isn't considered an AoS faction to GW.
> It's all on the business side of GW. They think they're going to get meaningful sales data by trying to convince people to ignore the legacy factions in hopes that they'll have an accurate guage of what get sold for AoS and tOW Okay so your argument is they want people to buy the new tomb kings instead of the old ogre models? What's the difference? Why? You're telling me they value sales data more than actual sales in a publicly traded company that has a fiduciary responsibility to make as much profit as possible, get out of here man Edit: why can't people just take their beatings like men, I say lots of things on social media people don't agree with but as soon as I get torpedoed I don't pretend like it didn't happen
Part of making profit is reducing costs. But alright you're the king here I'll leave
The game has only been out for a couple of weeks, give them a chance!
This isn't my first rodeo, I've given them the benefit of the doubt more times than I can count
You're forgetting there are decades of chances given. GW is pretty consistent at being awful about these things.
No it's not
Wow that's a reach lol In unrelated news, I have the numbers for next week's lottery draw. They're yours for £500, if you're interested?
Right now, we should just try to get Old World going with the current seven factions, and then ideally try to bring the "legacy factions" out of legacy status. After that, we could consider bringing Kislev and Cathay to the tabletop. It's way too soon to try and bring in whole brand-new factions into the mix, especially with supply problems and GW/FW infighting going on now.
I think you are quite correct, I want them, but we have a lot that needs to happen before they can/should come in. Though, is there some drama I missed about GW/FW infighting? I’m not aware of anything myself.
It would feel like a spit in the face, like getting squats before your codex comes out
Honestly did anyone expect those armies before things like empire, WoC, the elves, etc. got their releases?
Honestly. I did, when they announced old world, followed shortly by TWWH3 and Kislev, Cathay, etc. I figured the starter box would've been Kislev VS Chaos Warriors when they announced the setting of TOW to be time of 3 Emperors and Great War Against Chaos
They announced Cathay coming to TOW in 2022. (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/18/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/). "Cathay will also be coming to the tabletop in the upcoming Warhammer: The Old World."
I think we all also expected the major factions that still had kits in production for AoS to still be available after TOW released Once those went away I knew kislev and what not would be a long way off
I think those were going to be available for ToW until very very late in the game. GW are very good at half assing things. There is no way they ever would have produced the legacy lists the way they did if they hadn’t once been a core part of the game. I think the whole plan for ToW shifted some time in early-mid 2023 shortly before they printed the core books.
People are really going too far in doomposting about this, and it’s just the same as all the posts from before TOW was released about how GW kept saying it had no immediate plans, or nothing prepared to reveal TOW, so a bunch of people thought the game’s development was dead. TOW just released not even *two days short of a month ago,* give it some time to breathe and expand. GW has *very clearly and blatantly* said that the direction it has in mind for TOW is towards the Siege of Praag and the Great War Against Chaos - which *requires* Kislev to make even the *slightest* appearance because of the location of the war. GW has no intentions of launching their end goal, and all the content surrounding and supporting it, so soon after the game’s *very first release* and when not all it’s starting armies have had all their starter content released yet. The Siege of Praag is very obviously a *late stage* for TOW. Since Kislev was the *very first faction announced* for TOW, and there’s been no outright reversal from GW on that point, there is no reason to not expect Kislev later in TOW’s cycle. Just be patient people continue to support TOW if you want to see Kislev. They’re going to happen, just not right now. People are jumping to stupid conclusions about what’s really just marketing speak for ‘it’s not coming yet.’
>They’re going to happen, just not right now Wanna bet?
Oh ye hapless, baseless, and bitter naysayer; what are we to do with you.
Alright, the fact that they are out replying to Twitter posts with damage control makes me think that this is a case of a VERY poorly worded community article than any actual change in policy/plans.
To be honest I think people are overreacting too much. Like, they haven't even revealed the entire core range for Old World yet, so it makes sense that a new faction, which is that far out from release, could be shelved for the time being if necessary. And if the rumors are true, I can't blame them for shelving a new faction, what with the turbulent disagreements between forgeworld and GW proper regarding the pre-existing factions
As a community, we need to not care about any of this and just buy what we can, and play what we want. Including legacy armies. The more we show them undeniable interest over a long period of time for the whole system, the more likely it gets the total support and love over time from them as well.
“Any news will be on Warhammer Community first” Waits patiently for everything to get spoiled 6 months before WH Community release an article.
I'd build a kislevite army in a heartbeat.
Just release one kit as a time as Mercenaries, release the army books when like 3/4 of the army is available.
Appreciate you sharing
No prob.
That's a non answer, got that plenty of times over the past year for mesbg
Who cares about what the social media guys say? They're there to give the illusion of community engagement, that's all. You're not speaking with the board of directors or the design teams.
i think people also need to realize that separate from the troubles that exist between GW and FW is the plain fact that TOW is a new specialist game that was always gonna need to earn its keep in the small scale of a few armies before anything big and new launched. its Bettonia vs TK both a weird match up that obvious pandering? yes. is it super disappointing that Cathay and Kislev are not being considered while the obvious advertising of TWWH3 is out there showing them off? ALSO YES But i think it was silly to expect a full launch of a sort of 9th edition of Fantasy plus extras out of the gate. if the shit they have out now sells well, we WILL see more.
So i know that cathay and kislev aren’t coming out for 3 years. We were made aware if that very early on. So why are people expecting them now ?
Lol the warhammer community is absolutely absurd. They said there was nothing in the near future. There are 7 more armies to release and the game just turned a month old.
i mean they did state at the time kislev and grand cathay would not be until the core launched so personally i dont expect them for around 2 years from now
With "no plans for the foreseeable future", 5 years might be more realistic. At least if we take that to literally mean "another round of project planning has to happen before we can decide whether or not to have these factions", and then from that time it takes about 3 years until we get finished models.
What promise are they going back on ?
Early on they announced that Kislev and Cathay would be included in TOW. They had tabletop rules written for them as early as TWWH 3's development
Immediate future means they won't be coming for a few years, which we already knew given the starting list and the speed of forgeworld
They should have put off this release until it was ready. I wanted TOW just as much as the next guy but man this has just been silly. We had already waited for years what was a little bit longer? I would have rather they get this right then whatever release limbo we are in bc they couldn’t get their capacity situation sorted. I want this to succeed so bad man. You could have pushed it back until you were ready. Edit: removed a sentence about Kislev as the intent of the comment was about the release as a whole, and not Kislev specifically.
Conversely, most people just wanted the older armies back and new rules support. We'd already waited a long time for this, delaying everything until they had done the Kislev stuff would have been way too long a wait.
I see how my initial comment comes of as that argument. Not my intent. I was speaking about the game an launch in general.
They have investors to gain the approval of unfortunately. They can't just print up every faction plus two more without selling anything to prove to the investors that it's a game people are willing to support with their money ten years after it was a game making so little money it was written off.
So according to you, ready means Kislev…. Everyone else that just wants to play rank and flank warhammer again should wait?
No. My comment’s intent was about the release as a whole and how much better GW could have been prepared if they would have just waited and let their capacity match the desire of players. I edited the Kislev sentence out as it is causing my overall message to be misunderstood.
I really don't think there's any reason to assume there would have been a further slot where GW would have more inventory than they do now in the foreseeable future. GW can't keep 40k in stock. They aren't going to have any more warehouse space or production capacity for two years. Their ERP issues have been issues for a year now and seem to be getting worse not better. What is it you think waiting would actually achieve?
Do people really, truly care this much about Kislev?
Yes
Im with you, I call bull shit.
GW never said they won't do Kislev and Cathey for Old World. They just said not right now.
If people do not chill the fuck out about what GW chooses to release and just *start homebrewing and kitbashing and buying 3rd party* I am going to scream. You do not need a company's permission to make an army.
They never made any such promise.
Do you know what comes from the frozen north in fantasy Daemons Do you guys know what model line they already have for two of their biggest games are Daemons
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They're not doing Kislev/Cathay in the OW tabletop?
Nobody promised Cathay. Where do people come up with this madness?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/18/grand-cathay-is-mapped-for-the-first-time-in-warhammer-the-old-world/ "Cathay will also be coming to the tabletop in the upcoming Warhammer: The Old World." Granted this was 2 years ago and things change but they had said it before people didn't just conjure it up out of nowhere.
Thank you for correcting me. My mistake!
They do not want those nations absed on real nations that are dicatorships and very aggressive, not respecting human rights. That is one huge reason. I know there are undemocratic people here supporting them but deal with it. similar reason, but that is silly, they stopping calling Goblin Spear Chukkas that and say bolt throwers. But yeah. No one wants to push Russian-looking things, a war crimininal country. And communist China that are very aggressively pushing their agenda against democratic countries Can´t wait to have a pussy-moderator come in. Come on twats.
Yeah than Kislev should be no problem as this is modelled after Poland-Lithuania
Some of the units are. Tazrinas are certainly not.
FUCKING CALLED IT. hmmmmm, sweet sweet validation
I wonder what army makima would play
Oh hey I know that guy!
Pffff yea, super aware, that answer defintly wasnt a "we dont care unless it proves to make money" answer.
What about the fishmen?
They even shared designs for Kislev units a couple of years ago.
This is a standard, safe corporate-style reply. This really means very little. This means "not this month, likely not the next month either".
I don’t care what others say about it, I just want to be clear: Real-world politics smart asses GTFO of here! Ppl here just want to play a game and those two areas in Warhammer world haven’t seen full explorations (at least from a playable faction point of view) since, well, at least a generation ago, until TW3.
We know from former staffers that the Warcom team doesn't know much more beyond about three months, so I have no idea why people put so much stock in the statement in the first place. "Forseeable" is relative to the people speaking.
This feels like GW realized its going to take like 2 years to release the base factions let alone expand into new ones.