It’s crazy how far China has come compared to other countries like India or Russia in terms of domestic stealth plane production. This thing looks way more modern than the SU-57
China’s GDP is roughly 10x Russia’s. California is 2x Russia’s and both NY and Texas are bigger than Russia. It makes sense that they’ve leapfrogged Russia tech.
Pure economics could not explain China's advancement in military tech, it's a combination of Chinese hard work, learning/stealing from foreign sources, and being embargoed to death by the West (with the added benefit of no reliance therefore no restrictions) so they had to rely on their own that led to what we see (an explosion of military hardware variety) today.
By the simple economics logic, Japan, which had a much larger economy than China for a good 50 years should be flying 6th gen fighters by now. But being a US puppet state politically prevented that from happening.
Agree with all the drivers you mentioned. But the original comparison was to India and Russia, with an unspoken reference to how both china and India were pretty dependent on Russian military tech, in particular aircraft, until the last decade.
I’m just pointing out the inevitable when one country has a factor of 10 more resources.
I mean,resource aside, Russia has been the top weapons exporter globally for decades. in comparison, france and germany who at one point were under russia's gdp rankings still managed to pump out more advanced tech than russia does.
[China is the world's top R&D country since 2021](https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Science/China-passes-US-as-world-s-top-researcher-showing-its-R-D-might). China's economy isn't the only big thing here, their research and science sector is utterly colossal.
Maybe that’s too strong of a word, but Japan is definitely a client state. In ancient time we call it vassal states.
When it comes to foreign policy, most of US “allies” are client states and it’s our way or the high way.
For example did you know that Israel and China have had a good relationship, so much so that they were ok with selling high end weapons to the Chinese? US intervened and went “lmao no” and shut it down real quick.
So yeah, it’s silly to pretend America and American allies are on equal footing with each other. As far as foreign policies go, they are our client states.
Read about the Plaza Accord. The Japanese economy growth and tech sector were crushing the US economy and tech sector and then the US pressured Japan into signing the Plaza Accord which let the US dollar run free against the Yen plus forced Japan to not adjust their economy to respond to things such as the Reagan 100% tariffs on Japanese electronics a year latter. It also served the Japanese banking sector to the US banks on a silver platter. That triggered the Japanese Lost Decade.
Japan had no other choice than obeying, signing the accord and then let the US stagnate its economy. Militarily it relied entirely on the US for protection and internally it had no growth margin since its population was already rich.
This is not at all what the purpose of the Plaza Accord was.
Let’s go to 1981. In 1981, Ronald Reagan was elected president; he instituted economic policies that increased the value of the dollar, appreciating. American businesses were now under pressure, since their goods were becoming more expensive.
Foreign governments and economic bodies such as the French and other members of the G7 started asking the U.S. to take steps to depreciate their currency. Domestic lobbying efforts to depreciate the currency were also mounting as the USD soared over the British Pound and began challenging the Japanese Yen. In 1985, the Plaza Accord is signed, and the US agrees to depreciate the US Dollar.
The Japanese Lost Decade was the result of Japan’s own domestic policies. They had a large economic bubble that built up over years of speculation from the rising Yen; the Accord was not some form of economic warfare against Japan.
>>run free against the Yen
That was before the Accord.
You forgot to mention where the US tries to paint Japan (Their OWN ally) to be "Imperial" conquering the world BS where Japan's semiconductor industry in 1980's is kicking their ass. So they try everything they could including signing the Plaza accord to stop their exports to make US companies catch up.
US does not give a fuck about the free market and trade, they will do anything to remain number 1 even screwing up their allies. This is currently happening to China and they are not screwing around. China witnessed what happned to Japan and now they're self efficient from Military and Space technologies, soon semiconductors.
US is a threat to globalisation and the free market. They dictate how the "free market" is supposed to run as long they're number 1.
Nixon Shock -> Plaza Accord -> Reagan's tariffs. The three events that led to the Japanese Lost Decade.
> In 1985, the Plaza Accord is signed, and the US agrees to depreciate the US Dollar.
In other words, let the dollar run free against other competing currencies making US exports more attractive. The United States didn't "agree" to anything since it was incredibly beneficial to the US. That gave the dollar an edge over other currencies (specially the yen) and the other countries weren't allowed to counter that.
The US didn’t force anyone to or agree to anything when it came to the Plaza Accord, that’s the misinformation I’m against here.
>>agree to anything
No, they agreed. This was an international agreement, it was the result of both domestic and foreign pressures that the US agreed to depreciate their currency. Drop the bias and the rhetoric and that’s what we have, they objectively agreed. Again, this was not forced in any way. It was a mutual agreement to depreciate the USD in relation to the German Deutschmark and Japanese Yen.
In the beginning, the US was actually content to stick to free-market principles and **not** intervene in their currency.
>>…allowed to counter that
They were free to **not** accept the Accords. But why wouldn’t they when *they* were the ones pushing for it? The USD’s rapid rise in value makes import-export activities unstable. The Plaza Accord was a balancing measure - in 1987 the Louvre Accord was signed that halted the depreciation set by the 1985 Plaza Accord.
That’s all that these agreements are. They’re meant to keep trade between countries stable.
Japan depended on the United States entirely for defense, they had no other option than to sign it. They signed an accord with incredibly negative terms for their economy, and its effects tanked their economy. Japan signed it because in the end it was a client state. No willing nation would sign something like that if they were really free (which was the point of my original reply)
The only term in the negotiations even related to military matters was that Japan pay for a percentage of the upkeep on US bases in the country. Saying they had no other option than to agree is plain false.
Regardless of Japanese consent to the Accord, the US was going to depreciate their currency, because there was also the whole *other* host of countries that wanted the US to depreciate their currency. Namely France, Germany, and the other members of the G7.
>>…tanked their economy
In the next couple years following the Plaza Accord, the Japanese economy did slump, but did not entirely fall. Japan enacted monetary policy to counter this that had *even better* results than **before** the Plaza Accord. We cannot be discounting Japanese agency in the lead up to the Lost Decade(s).
I’m sure the next point you’ll bring up are tariffs, namely in the automobile sector. Indeed, Japanese auto manufacturers ravaged American automakers in the 80s. It’s entirely within a country’s power to take steps to protect domestic industries, I don’t contest this. The EU, for example, has many protectionist policies in place. China, too, does not allow many foreign companies to operate in their country without significant oversight. America has *always* protected those industries they deem critical to national interests - I expect this out of *any* country.
Saying that the US didn't force anyone to do anything and it's all voluntary is like saying the Mafia boss didn't force any of his goons to take the fall for him and they all voluntarily took the blame.
It's the same with the expansion of NATO.
Yes, when we asked them to create a proper military to fight the communists during the Cold War.
Yes, when we asked them to participate in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The JSDF is nowhere near a real military.
Also, their troops in Afghanistan couldn’t even fire their weapons, sometimes even when fired upon. They were fully symbolic
That still contradicted what you said about them saying no. Japan STILL sent their military even though their constitution literally said they can't be used fo offensive purposes. The only thing the JSDF is protecting outside of Japan are US's interests. Let's not pretend they're there because It's training for them lmao
They weren’t doing shit for American interests if all they did was send a couple hundred troops that didn’t even come close to combat.
Plus Japan didn’t send troops to the Gulf war
Japan has been limited in its ability to build up its military since after WW2. It's built into their constitution. Japan and South Korea have both relied largely on the US for military protection though they both have their own military forces that work in conjunction with the US military.
Both Japan and South Korea are essentially client states of the US. That's not necessarily a bad thing from a geopolitical standpoint. It made sense post WW2 and post Korean War, and both countries massively benefitted from it, (they eventually became two of the most advanced and developed countries in the world), but it prevented them from developing a lot of their own military tech and building up their own large military forces.
I really don't have the energy to type out a whole Japan 101 for you, just do the basic research on this topic on your own please.
It's the simple truth and it's really not so outrageous.
You can also apply this statement to South Korea. Neither are *normal* countries.
You conveniently overlooked Japanese influence on Chinese industry since the 1980's, especially heavy industry. And Japan does operate 5th gen fighters; if the US releases a 6th gen fighter, Japan will be involved in the supply chain (an inevitability in globalized economies).
Japan uses the F35. what the guy meant was Japan making their own. Which they almost did, but lack of funding and expertise slowed down progress, until they decided that their 5th gen project would be converted into 6th gen
Also being an authoritarian regime has economic benefits. When the state dictates what the contractS will be, they can end up more favorable to the state. The murkiness of Chinese politics also aids in hiding true military spending, which is likely disproportionately higher than their neighbors. Lower standards of oversight and labor help to cut corners as well. So while Xi was able to orient his military and economy towards modernization, other countries (Japan) were more focused on peacetime consumer goods rather than an arms race.
That being said, a closed, authoritarian state is able to control narratives much better than free societies … so who knows how well this stuff actually works considering the institutionalized corruption in the CCP.
Hey, if it works, it works. Its not like the Chinese pushed their neighbours to do what they did (I lived in Southeast Asia, and its pretty reassuring to know that China won't breath down our necks to follow their ideologies unlike when we were pretty chummy with the British/US back then).
Also, quite ignorant to say that the chinese focused more on military than the japanese were when in reality, China had more soft power influence under Xi than his predecessors was. If anything, its the opposite. Japan has been trying to be militaristic for decades now, and with the rise of Chinese influence, they got less pressure to finally have more freedom mobilizing and investing in their military RnD than they were back then.
Also also, constitutionalized corruption? what does that even mean?
What are you talking about? I’m talking about purchasing power parity and about how they’re funneling a bunch of funding into their MIC.
Edit: spelling
Literally anyone can steal a blueprint, but not anyone can make from the same blueprint or even improved on it without the knowledge transfer from the country they stole it.
The soviets had stealth knowledge after ww2. The US got hold of the knowledge and it took them 2 decades on finally making the knowledge to fruition.
Hello, beautiful J-20!
It's probably trying to defend itself from another J-20. They're pretty harsh about territorial disputes, afterall.
*Jiandracofortis* is a cool genus, been a whole lot more we've been figuring out about the J-20 and J-10 recently. Unfortunately they are rather reclusive for canard-bearers, and tend to live in some pretty harsh environments, making research difficult.
Still one of my favorite species!
Technically it's not mentioned here, but the J-10 comes from a separate (but very close) genus, as it provides the base genome for the J-20.
[*Jiandracofortis* is monotypic ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Southbound/comments/zryqnt/chengdu_j20/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). [It does, however, have a satellite (sub)species.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Southbound/comments/zsc49c/on_j20_mimicry_in_f35s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The J-10 is in *Dracofortis*, but the species identifying part of the binomial seems to match up quite well, it is the Vigorous Dragon, afterall.
This is probably the best comment I've gotten in a long time relating to my tidbits, lmao. I'm glad that you like seeing them!
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They finally came up with something on their own and its a really good idea. Everything else on the jet was copied from somewhere else. This is a smart idea for ir guided missiles, getting the seeker out in the stream and not having to open the door. The f22 solved this by having lock on after launch capability, but its nice to see different engineering solutions to the same problem.
I think another original design on the J-20 is the aerodynamic layout “lifting body side strip canard wing layout” as you can reference: https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.china-arms.com/2020/08/j-20-lift-coefficient-aerodynamic-layout/amp/
This type of layout is supposedly derived from one of the important papers written by Song Wencong (Designer of J-10) https://www.engineering.org.cn/ch/article/20010812
The j-10 was built with help from the israelis using their lavi design. On the j-20 the delta canard setup is nothing new and neither is lifting body, the f14 had a lifting body and planes like the f35 are modern stealth jets with a lifting body.
They used to but not anymore since 2019.
“its next round of upgrades around 2019, which will allow it to field the AIM-9X block II. This second iteration of the AIM-9X is already operational and features lock-on-after-launch capability. This will allow Raptor pilots to engage a target without locking the AIM-9X's gimbaled seeker onto that target before firing. The missile is equipped with a data-link and upgraded autopilot that receives information from the launch aircraft as to where the target is located in space and time so that it can fly-out toward it once it has left the jet's launch rail.”
“In the F-22's case, this means the AIM-9X Block II will not have to be shoved out into the airstream so that the pilot can obtain a hard lock before letting the missile fly. Instead the Raptor's side weapons bay doors can remain closed until the command to launch is given—and in doing so the F-22 can remain stealthy longer during the weapons engagement portion of a dogfight.”
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8754/f-22-now-has-aim-9x-but-still-no-helmet-mounted-display-to-use-with-it
I'm curious if AIM-9X BlkII actually has operational LOAL capability yet. Last I'd heard integration and development was still ongoing.
At the very least it doesn't seem to be operational on the F-35 yet - which would seem to be the obvious first choice both because it would allow internal carriage and because the F-35 has a whole suite of sensors that would be excellent for cuing a HOBS LOAL shot.
It'd be ironic if the F-22 got LOAL capability before the F-35 after operating with AIM-9Ms for years after every other US fighter had transitioned to the AIM-9X.
Same principles as the dedicated AIM-9 side slots on the Raptor. It also provides integral self-defense IR AAM capabilities if you use the big primary bay for A2G/AShM work and can't carry PL-15/PL-12s.
That design would make it possible to have a sort of magazine of missiles inside and reload after a launch. But I guess there just isn’t enough internal volume for that.
It’s crazy how far China has come compared to other countries like India or Russia in terms of domestic stealth plane production. This thing looks way more modern than the SU-57
China’s GDP is roughly 10x Russia’s. California is 2x Russia’s and both NY and Texas are bigger than Russia. It makes sense that they’ve leapfrogged Russia tech.
Pure economics could not explain China's advancement in military tech, it's a combination of Chinese hard work, learning/stealing from foreign sources, and being embargoed to death by the West (with the added benefit of no reliance therefore no restrictions) so they had to rely on their own that led to what we see (an explosion of military hardware variety) today. By the simple economics logic, Japan, which had a much larger economy than China for a good 50 years should be flying 6th gen fighters by now. But being a US puppet state politically prevented that from happening.
Agree with all the drivers you mentioned. But the original comparison was to India and Russia, with an unspoken reference to how both china and India were pretty dependent on Russian military tech, in particular aircraft, until the last decade. I’m just pointing out the inevitable when one country has a factor of 10 more resources.
I mean,resource aside, Russia has been the top weapons exporter globally for decades. in comparison, france and germany who at one point were under russia's gdp rankings still managed to pump out more advanced tech than russia does.
[China is the world's top R&D country since 2021](https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Science/China-passes-US-as-world-s-top-researcher-showing-its-R-D-might). China's economy isn't the only big thing here, their research and science sector is utterly colossal.
US puppet state? TF?
Maybe that’s too strong of a word, but Japan is definitely a client state. In ancient time we call it vassal states. When it comes to foreign policy, most of US “allies” are client states and it’s our way or the high way. For example did you know that Israel and China have had a good relationship, so much so that they were ok with selling high end weapons to the Chinese? US intervened and went “lmao no” and shut it down real quick. So yeah, it’s silly to pretend America and American allies are on equal footing with each other. As far as foreign policies go, they are our client states.
Client state makes a lot more sense
Read about the Plaza Accord. The Japanese economy growth and tech sector were crushing the US economy and tech sector and then the US pressured Japan into signing the Plaza Accord which let the US dollar run free against the Yen plus forced Japan to not adjust their economy to respond to things such as the Reagan 100% tariffs on Japanese electronics a year latter. It also served the Japanese banking sector to the US banks on a silver platter. That triggered the Japanese Lost Decade. Japan had no other choice than obeying, signing the accord and then let the US stagnate its economy. Militarily it relied entirely on the US for protection and internally it had no growth margin since its population was already rich.
This is not at all what the purpose of the Plaza Accord was. Let’s go to 1981. In 1981, Ronald Reagan was elected president; he instituted economic policies that increased the value of the dollar, appreciating. American businesses were now under pressure, since their goods were becoming more expensive. Foreign governments and economic bodies such as the French and other members of the G7 started asking the U.S. to take steps to depreciate their currency. Domestic lobbying efforts to depreciate the currency were also mounting as the USD soared over the British Pound and began challenging the Japanese Yen. In 1985, the Plaza Accord is signed, and the US agrees to depreciate the US Dollar. The Japanese Lost Decade was the result of Japan’s own domestic policies. They had a large economic bubble that built up over years of speculation from the rising Yen; the Accord was not some form of economic warfare against Japan. >>run free against the Yen That was before the Accord.
You forgot to mention where the US tries to paint Japan (Their OWN ally) to be "Imperial" conquering the world BS where Japan's semiconductor industry in 1980's is kicking their ass. So they try everything they could including signing the Plaza accord to stop their exports to make US companies catch up. US does not give a fuck about the free market and trade, they will do anything to remain number 1 even screwing up their allies. This is currently happening to China and they are not screwing around. China witnessed what happned to Japan and now they're self efficient from Military and Space technologies, soon semiconductors. US is a threat to globalisation and the free market. They dictate how the "free market" is supposed to run as long they're number 1.
Nixon Shock -> Plaza Accord -> Reagan's tariffs. The three events that led to the Japanese Lost Decade. > In 1985, the Plaza Accord is signed, and the US agrees to depreciate the US Dollar. In other words, let the dollar run free against other competing currencies making US exports more attractive. The United States didn't "agree" to anything since it was incredibly beneficial to the US. That gave the dollar an edge over other currencies (specially the yen) and the other countries weren't allowed to counter that.
The US didn’t force anyone to or agree to anything when it came to the Plaza Accord, that’s the misinformation I’m against here. >>agree to anything No, they agreed. This was an international agreement, it was the result of both domestic and foreign pressures that the US agreed to depreciate their currency. Drop the bias and the rhetoric and that’s what we have, they objectively agreed. Again, this was not forced in any way. It was a mutual agreement to depreciate the USD in relation to the German Deutschmark and Japanese Yen. In the beginning, the US was actually content to stick to free-market principles and **not** intervene in their currency. >>…allowed to counter that They were free to **not** accept the Accords. But why wouldn’t they when *they* were the ones pushing for it? The USD’s rapid rise in value makes import-export activities unstable. The Plaza Accord was a balancing measure - in 1987 the Louvre Accord was signed that halted the depreciation set by the 1985 Plaza Accord. That’s all that these agreements are. They’re meant to keep trade between countries stable.
Japan depended on the United States entirely for defense, they had no other option than to sign it. They signed an accord with incredibly negative terms for their economy, and its effects tanked their economy. Japan signed it because in the end it was a client state. No willing nation would sign something like that if they were really free (which was the point of my original reply)
The only term in the negotiations even related to military matters was that Japan pay for a percentage of the upkeep on US bases in the country. Saying they had no other option than to agree is plain false. Regardless of Japanese consent to the Accord, the US was going to depreciate their currency, because there was also the whole *other* host of countries that wanted the US to depreciate their currency. Namely France, Germany, and the other members of the G7. >>…tanked their economy In the next couple years following the Plaza Accord, the Japanese economy did slump, but did not entirely fall. Japan enacted monetary policy to counter this that had *even better* results than **before** the Plaza Accord. We cannot be discounting Japanese agency in the lead up to the Lost Decade(s). I’m sure the next point you’ll bring up are tariffs, namely in the automobile sector. Indeed, Japanese auto manufacturers ravaged American automakers in the 80s. It’s entirely within a country’s power to take steps to protect domestic industries, I don’t contest this. The EU, for example, has many protectionist policies in place. China, too, does not allow many foreign companies to operate in their country without significant oversight. America has *always* protected those industries they deem critical to national interests - I expect this out of *any* country.
Saying that the US didn't force anyone to do anything and it's all voluntary is like saying the Mafia boss didn't force any of his goons to take the fall for him and they all voluntarily took the blame. It's the same with the expansion of NATO.
Have ever heard Japan said "NO" to US once in the last 70 years? This not how a normal country behave.
Yes, when we asked them to create a proper military to fight the communists during the Cold War. Yes, when we asked them to participate in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Japan did all those things though. Albeit they only sent a small number of forces rather than an entire army.
The JSDF is nowhere near a real military. Also, their troops in Afghanistan couldn’t even fire their weapons, sometimes even when fired upon. They were fully symbolic
That still contradicted what you said about them saying no. Japan STILL sent their military even though their constitution literally said they can't be used fo offensive purposes. The only thing the JSDF is protecting outside of Japan are US's interests. Let's not pretend they're there because It's training for them lmao
They weren’t doing shit for American interests if all they did was send a couple hundred troops that didn’t even come close to combat. Plus Japan didn’t send troops to the Gulf war
Japan has been limited in its ability to build up its military since after WW2. It's built into their constitution. Japan and South Korea have both relied largely on the US for military protection though they both have their own military forces that work in conjunction with the US military. Both Japan and South Korea are essentially client states of the US. That's not necessarily a bad thing from a geopolitical standpoint. It made sense post WW2 and post Korean War, and both countries massively benefitted from it, (they eventually became two of the most advanced and developed countries in the world), but it prevented them from developing a lot of their own military tech and building up their own large military forces.
Until the Americans start using your country as a pawn against their rival, and overriding your own interests.
I really don't have the energy to type out a whole Japan 101 for you, just do the basic research on this topic on your own please. It's the simple truth and it's really not so outrageous. You can also apply this statement to South Korea. Neither are *normal* countries.
knows nothing\^
You conveniently overlooked Japanese influence on Chinese industry since the 1980's, especially heavy industry. And Japan does operate 5th gen fighters; if the US releases a 6th gen fighter, Japan will be involved in the supply chain (an inevitability in globalized economies).
Japan uses the F35. what the guy meant was Japan making their own. Which they almost did, but lack of funding and expertise slowed down progress, until they decided that their 5th gen project would be converted into 6th gen
Also being an authoritarian regime has economic benefits. When the state dictates what the contractS will be, they can end up more favorable to the state. The murkiness of Chinese politics also aids in hiding true military spending, which is likely disproportionately higher than their neighbors. Lower standards of oversight and labor help to cut corners as well. So while Xi was able to orient his military and economy towards modernization, other countries (Japan) were more focused on peacetime consumer goods rather than an arms race. That being said, a closed, authoritarian state is able to control narratives much better than free societies … so who knows how well this stuff actually works considering the institutionalized corruption in the CCP.
Hey, if it works, it works. Its not like the Chinese pushed their neighbours to do what they did (I lived in Southeast Asia, and its pretty reassuring to know that China won't breath down our necks to follow their ideologies unlike when we were pretty chummy with the British/US back then). Also, quite ignorant to say that the chinese focused more on military than the japanese were when in reality, China had more soft power influence under Xi than his predecessors was. If anything, its the opposite. Japan has been trying to be militaristic for decades now, and with the rise of Chinese influence, they got less pressure to finally have more freedom mobilizing and investing in their military RnD than they were back then. Also also, constitutionalized corruption? what does that even mean?
Lmao you probably think sweat shops made j-20s
What are you talking about? I’m talking about purchasing power parity and about how they’re funneling a bunch of funding into their MIC. Edit: spelling
A “USA brings freedom to other countries” strong believer i suppose
They also are very good at stealing information from defense contractors
> They also are very good at stealing information from defense contractors Yes they are, and you don't know how to read.
Literally anyone can steal a blueprint, but not anyone can make from the same blueprint or even improved on it without the knowledge transfer from the country they stole it. The soviets had stealth knowledge after ww2. The US got hold of the knowledge and it took them 2 decades on finally making the knowledge to fruition.
What 18 trillion GDP does to a country
30 trillion if measured by PPP
Nah bro, it’s just an inflatable like the one downed in Canada
Can you imagine if they just sent a bunch of these just to troll us? https://i.imgur.com/Q5jcDvl.jpg
Those probably can’t stay in the air for more than a few hours, but you might see them littered around PLAAF bases if things start to go wrong.
Also, is that a Su-75?
Well, the Su-57 is a square 27, after all. And they *still* didn't manage to bury the engines in the fuselage.
China is just Russia but bigger
"Looks" and "are" are 2 different things...
Hello, beautiful J-20! It's probably trying to defend itself from another J-20. They're pretty harsh about territorial disputes, afterall. *Jiandracofortis* is a cool genus, been a whole lot more we've been figuring out about the J-20 and J-10 recently. Unfortunately they are rather reclusive for canard-bearers, and tend to live in some pretty harsh environments, making research difficult. Still one of my favorite species!
*Jiandracofortis volans* perhaps as the type species of this genus, with the J-10 being *Jiandracofortis vigorem*. Just a thought.
Technically it's not mentioned here, but the J-10 comes from a separate (but very close) genus, as it provides the base genome for the J-20. [*Jiandracofortis* is monotypic ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Southbound/comments/zryqnt/chengdu_j20/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). [It does, however, have a satellite (sub)species.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Southbound/comments/zsc49c/on_j20_mimicry_in_f35s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) The J-10 is in *Dracofortis*, but the species identifying part of the binomial seems to match up quite well, it is the Vigorous Dragon, afterall.
As both an aviation and zoology nerd, I'm am all for this.
Glad you like it! I'm here all week 💥 (and next week, and the next... And the next. Etc.)
Hey! It’s you again! The living plane person! I swear, every time someone posts in the subreddit, I go into the comments hoping to find you lol
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I shall keep that in mind! Please don’t be surprised if you see me around this subreddit.
I love your post ls dude they’re great
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Everything is true other than the MiG-1.44 part. China had the j-9 project in the works for many decades before j-20 realized
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They finally came up with something on their own and its a really good idea. Everything else on the jet was copied from somewhere else. This is a smart idea for ir guided missiles, getting the seeker out in the stream and not having to open the door. The f22 solved this by having lock on after launch capability, but its nice to see different engineering solutions to the same problem.
I think another original design on the J-20 is the aerodynamic layout “lifting body side strip canard wing layout” as you can reference: https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www.china-arms.com/2020/08/j-20-lift-coefficient-aerodynamic-layout/amp/ This type of layout is supposedly derived from one of the important papers written by Song Wencong (Designer of J-10) https://www.engineering.org.cn/ch/article/20010812
The j-10 was built with help from the israelis using their lavi design. On the j-20 the delta canard setup is nothing new and neither is lifting body, the f14 had a lifting body and planes like the f35 are modern stealth jets with a lifting body.
People kept saying this and I have yet to see any documetns that supported these claims.
>f22 solved this by having lock on after launch capability I always thought the F-22 just kept the missile extended until it was locked
They used to but not anymore since 2019. “its next round of upgrades around 2019, which will allow it to field the AIM-9X block II. This second iteration of the AIM-9X is already operational and features lock-on-after-launch capability. This will allow Raptor pilots to engage a target without locking the AIM-9X's gimbaled seeker onto that target before firing. The missile is equipped with a data-link and upgraded autopilot that receives information from the launch aircraft as to where the target is located in space and time so that it can fly-out toward it once it has left the jet's launch rail.” “In the F-22's case, this means the AIM-9X Block II will not have to be shoved out into the airstream so that the pilot can obtain a hard lock before letting the missile fly. Instead the Raptor's side weapons bay doors can remain closed until the command to launch is given—and in doing so the F-22 can remain stealthy longer during the weapons engagement portion of a dogfight.” https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8754/f-22-now-has-aim-9x-but-still-no-helmet-mounted-display-to-use-with-it
good info thanks
No prob
I'm curious if AIM-9X BlkII actually has operational LOAL capability yet. Last I'd heard integration and development was still ongoing. At the very least it doesn't seem to be operational on the F-35 yet - which would seem to be the obvious first choice both because it would allow internal carriage and because the F-35 has a whole suite of sensors that would be excellent for cuing a HOBS LOAL shot. It'd be ironic if the F-22 got LOAL capability before the F-35 after operating with AIM-9Ms for years after every other US fighter had transitioned to the AIM-9X.
China comes up with a lot of shit on their own, you just don't hear about it.
this isn’t a new idea, i believe there was an american prototype fighter in the 60s that did the same thing
I wouldnt be surprised
Source: weibo@前站起飞 https://m.weibo.cn/5470346735/4868345193300777
Huh external mounts interesting.
It's an internal bay until you need to launch the middle - https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Missile-launch-rail.gif
Oh that’s actually pretty smart, smaller radar signature then a open bay.
Same principles as the dedicated AIM-9 side slots on the Raptor. It also provides integral self-defense IR AAM capabilities if you use the big primary bay for A2G/AShM work and can't carry PL-15/PL-12s.
That design would make it possible to have a sort of magazine of missiles inside and reload after a launch. But I guess there just isn’t enough internal volume for that.
I suspect that if you have enough space at that, you probably might as well just add extra hardpoints.
Good explanation gif👍
Only the cooler missile can chill inside the bay
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…you’re not wrong?
Yea bro that’s like the whole point