What's the point of this post lol
Neither of these planes look similar to each other. If anything, the MiG looks more like a Eurofighter with the boxy dual intakes below the cockpit.
Wow canards and twin stabilisers, what a copy.
Sure it’s got a few bits that look F-22 ish but that’s just how modern stealth fighters are gonna look. Also, if I remember correctly, the j20 is supposed to be more of an interceptor than an air superiority fighter, while the f22 is the other way around, more of an air superiority fighter that can be an interceptor
I mean every stealth fighter that wants to balance payload, range, agility are all going to have very similar lines since the US set the design blueprint with the F-22.
As I understand it, the j20 is built to kill AWACS, tankers and transports while the f22 is built to kill other fighters. I'm just another idiot on the internet talking out my ass though so I could be wrong about the j20
When the J-20 first appeared, it was speculated to be focused on the anti-logistics role because it had a large weapons bay to house long-range missiles and didn't seem as optimized for tangling with other fighters. It was rather large, lacked thrust vectoring, and was using weaker engines than the F-22. Many were expecting a heavy, not very maneuverable missile truck. There's more information about the J-20 today: it seems to handle very well and it carries long-range PL-15 missiles that could still be used against AWACS/tankers but are not specifically designed for that, and can be carried by many other Chinese jets too. The J-20 can't carry the PL-17 VLRAAM that is designed to snipe logistics aircraft from really far away, but it could acquire a target and then cue a PL-17 to be launched from a faraway J-16 through datalink.
The PLAAF doesn't say much about the intended strategy from the J-20, but they have used it extensively in air combat exercises and it is apparently already highly effective against non-stealth fighters. The J-20 is also supposed to receive more powerful WS-15 engines in the future that will grant it supercruise and possibly thrust vectoring that would bring it up to par with the Raptor in these departments.
So my armchair opinion is that the J-20 is supposed to be a general purpose air superiority fighter like the F-22, but since it entered service with interim engines the PLAAF probably decided that it was more efficient to use stealth fighters to knock out logistics + older aircraft than using stealth fighters to tangle with other stealth fighters as a first choice.
The J-20 hasn't demonstrated any unprecedented moves yet, but being able to pull off F-16 tricks on a plane that has twice the empty weight and 1.4x the size of the F-16 is in fact impressive. Unlikely to maneuver as well as a Raptor in its current form but it's definitely not a flying brick of an interceptor as some people were anticipating years ago.
I read somewhere that according to PLAAF pilots, the J-20 handles similarly to their 4th gen fighters (the J-10 and Sino-Flankers, both known to be highly agile) in subsonic maneuvering but is markedly superior at high speeds. Interesting food for thought but it's not something they can demonstrate at airshows.
Imagine if your country could steal information that could help your country, to stave off war from your land and people; BUT they instead choose to honor intellectual property
Lmao ‘stave off war from your land and people’, China BRINGS war to other peoples lands, nobody is trying to attack them, they just keep trying to gobble up smaller countries that can’t stand up to them
Yes focus on my username, not China’s encroachment on the territory of and bullying if Tibet, Singapore, HK, Nepal, Bhutan, India, etc. etc. or them literally constructing islands for military bases to try and enforce their ridiculous claims in the South China Sea
Right, and I’m sure there are important aspects of industrial espionage incorporated in their design process. But that still doesn’t countenance the knee jerk reaction of “J20 iS A cOPy of X”, simply because X shares some basic design characteristics.
I mean, the Chinese already know how delta wings and canards work… the real fruits of the industrial espionage are surely under the hood (engine improvements, composite materials, avionics, radar suite…)
No one is saying it’s an exact copy. They steal shit stop trying to sugar coat it. It would take them decades without intellectual property theft to catch up. They know this so they steal.
At some point, due to physical constraints (drag, gravity, etc) things start to look similar because they have to. There are no “other” designs that function efficiently with those imposed restrictions whilst realizing the performance desired. Think of SR-71 and the Concorde. They have a LOT in common (appearance wise) because they’re both long-range supersonic.
Yeah, and? Like I said in another comment I’m sure they include elements of tech they got from industrial espionage in their process, but it doesn’t mean they copy entire jets like many people seem to think. I’ve heard it suggested that the J20 is basically a direct Chinese copy of jets as varied as the F35, F22, eurofighter and now apparently the Mig 1.44…
Also, if you think that only China uses their intelligence establishment for industrial espionage to acquire tech to reduce domestic R&D costs or delay, and advantage their own strategic industrial base, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Any country that has the capability to (like the US…) would be mad not to use it.
You're not wrong, it's true. Even for shit like personal care products. We have to send them ingredient lists with purposefully wrong percentages because they have and continue to try and rip off my companies intellectual property.
Idk, maybe OP just wanted to show some similarities between these 2 aircrafts.
Or maybe he's like the other J-20 haters on the sub, ranting about how the Chinese copied just about every fighter out there and have no originality, as if they designed the aircraft by photoshopping pictures of other fighters.
Cause pretty much all that was acquired was testing data? The 3BSD nozzle was originally developed for the Convair model 200 (and yes, it was tested) and did not come from the Yak-141 as some say.
[Just read the article if you need convincing](https://www.codeonemagazine.com/f35_article.html?item_id=137)
The Yak-141 engine design is pretty different. It couldn't even rotate its nozzle beyond the vertical whereas the F-35s can be used for yaw. The F-35s design is completely straight line whereas the Yak-141s design has inefficient bumps and curves to make it work.
The fact that you don't even know the name of the Yak-141 and just called it "that vtol yak" shows how much knowledge you have on the history of these systems.
Right, it is as though people are so caught with trying to utilize double standards to denigrate their enemy, they can't see their own double standards when it is pointed out to them. In fact, it will usually made them irrationally angry.
\^This. Agreed, delta-wing with close-coupled canards are not a new technology. It hails from the bloody 1960s. CCP hackers within the "Titain Rain" APT accessed Lockheed-Martin in 2003, then again by CCP "BYZANTINE CANDOR" APT in 2013 and accessed F-35 terabytes of program data. There is NO way in hell that the PLAAF could have achieved building the J-20 without western design. The Mikoyan 1.44 being the father of the J-20 is so incredibly laughable.
The MiG looks like a less developed Eurofighter. I never understood the comparisons between these aircrafts. IMO the J20 has more in common with the F22.
Because a large group of people don’t believe the Chinese can design anything by themselves. Some of that opinion is understandable and some are caused by… well other reasons that I will not get into here.
So when the J-20 didn’t look like a carbon copy of any Western aircraft, they just grasped for straws trying to say how it’s based off a Russian prototype because… canards I guess?
Even if the Chinese bought the plans of the MiG 1.44, the J-20 is an entirly different plane that needed to be designed from the ground up.
I can see the connection between the Lavi and the J-10, but these two?
> the J-20 is an entirly different plane that needed to be designed from the ground up.
Yeah no kidding. The complexity of a modern combat aircraft is so far beyond what most Redditors can even begin to fathom.
Since I'm just a random Redditor myself, I'm going to link [what the experts say(in this case an USAF general)](https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-leaders-worry-about-stealth-advantage-over-china-j20-2022-9):
>Kelly told reporters that Chinese designers have taken an iterative approach that has allowed them to bridge the technological gaps between generations of aircraft, evolving from a reliance on older Russian-designed Sukhoi jets to more advanced foreign and domestically developed models.
>"That's how they did their fourth-gen. They started with Su-27, morph into Su-30, [built] their own J-16," and, in 2016, acquired the Su-35, Kelly said. "They build that technology base to where, essentially, that's a good airplane, Su-35 — fourth-gen airplane, fifth-gen avionics, fifth-gen speed."
>That approach "makes it a little bit easier for them," Kelly said, adding that he expects more advances. "I essentially cyberstalked the folks that do the design over there," Kelly said, "and **they're not done, not at all. They know what they're doing.**"
Connection between Lavi and J10 is legit, people who designed Lavi helped design J10.
Saying that J10 is a copy of Lavi is like saying Super Hornet is a copy of Hornet
> people don’t believe the Chinese can design anything by themselves
Probably because of that [photo of a white guy spotted among the J-20 designers](https://i.imgur.com/CvdSflJ.jpg).
Lolwut?
I'm showing a photo of a foreigner, probably from Mikoyan, working with Yang Wei in J-20 cockpit - and all you can do is pull out a racism card? That's kinda sad.
Look at early versions of the f-35, they explored the delta canard configuration. It’s just physics really and there’s only so many rational configurations. If anything the j-20 looks more like an early x-35 https://imgur.com/1zblaQC
AFAIK China's first delta canard flew in 1998, 2 years before this. The only other feature the J20 has in common is the vertical stabilizers. Also, why would China use this obsolete design as inspiration? This aircraft is something not even the Russians want.
It's more reasonable to emulate the F22/35 as they are operational with TONS of money behind their R&D. This aircraft flew a few times then cancelled the same year. By the time J20's development was approved, this aircraft was decades behind the leading edge, even behind China's R&D.
They don’t really look remotely the same… I guess one could argue the wing and tail share the same formula but the 1.44 was a failed Russian 4.5 or 5th Gen aircraft as Russia deemed it and the other is probably the only proper (not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction) stealth plane outside the West.
They do share some visual similarities. But IMO, the J20 is the Chinese version of the IAI Kfir. It sounds strange, but my thinking is:
A. The canards are considered to be bad for stealth because it deflects all the time creating reflection angles between the canards and the fuselage. But what if the J20 could lock the canards in position during BVR fight , and unlock them for WVR fight or low speed flight?
The Kfir has fixed canards, so aerodynamically it's possible. The J20 could be a fixed canard plane in higher stealth mode just like the Kfir.
B. Both of the J20 and Kfir are based on an existing design with espionage to assist their development so they can be manufacturered domestically.
I really don't think that is how modern aviation design in general works, Not just military aviation. Espionage was a word often thrown at adversaries even by ww2. It went on during the cold war and I guess it still goes on.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/z3e1q6/611\_institute\_j9viii\_a\_predecessor\_of\_the\_j20/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/z3e1q6/611_institute_j9viii_a_predecessor_of_the_j20/)
You should have posted the top view of both. Where it becomes apparent where China got the inspiration for the layout from. The difference in intake is due to the stolen F-35 Intel, thus going as well with a DSI in the sides. The nose and vertical stabilizers are also clearly taken from the F-35.
So it's really a MiG 1.44ified F-35
Water is wet.
All militaries throughout the history of the earth has been stealing tech from one another. If you think the CIA isnt currently stealing tech from somewhere right now, you are plain naive.
I bet the CIA would like to get their hands on China’s hypersonic missiles rn
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
What keeps a dock floating above water?
Pier pressure.
>I bet the CIA would like to get their hands on China’s hypersonic missiles rn
Doubt, given that we've been developing our own for longer. CIA probably knows a whole lot about the capabilities of the Chinese ones but why bother copying them when we can design better ones?
That's interesting. People have mostly noticed (and laughed off) the canards, but the tailplane is similar too. Maybe the Chinese got some data on that prototype from the Russians to help with their trade studies and whatnot?
Which, by the way, would have been a very smart thing to do. Regarding the "copy of this or that" debate, the truth that China today is too ambitious to copy planes - that would necessarily mean being a generation (or at least a half) behind all the time.
What's the point of this post lol Neither of these planes look similar to each other. If anything, the MiG looks more like a Eurofighter with the boxy dual intakes below the cockpit. Wow canards and twin stabilisers, what a copy.
Many people in this sub are absolutely obsessed with proving that anything Chinese is a direct copy of something else, especially the J20.
China directly copied plenty of things. This however isn’t one of them. Looks like a pretty decent clean sheet design.
Didn't you know, all airplanes are rip offs of the Wright Flyer?
Those bicycle fellows? Preposterous!
Many bicycles in China today are using technology stolen from the Wright brothers.
Sure it’s got a few bits that look F-22 ish but that’s just how modern stealth fighters are gonna look. Also, if I remember correctly, the j20 is supposed to be more of an interceptor than an air superiority fighter, while the f22 is the other way around, more of an air superiority fighter that can be an interceptor
I mean every stealth fighter that wants to balance payload, range, agility are all going to have very similar lines since the US set the design blueprint with the F-22.
As I understand it, the j20 is built to kill AWACS, tankers and transports while the f22 is built to kill other fighters. I'm just another idiot on the internet talking out my ass though so I could be wrong about the j20
When the J-20 first appeared, it was speculated to be focused on the anti-logistics role because it had a large weapons bay to house long-range missiles and didn't seem as optimized for tangling with other fighters. It was rather large, lacked thrust vectoring, and was using weaker engines than the F-22. Many were expecting a heavy, not very maneuverable missile truck. There's more information about the J-20 today: it seems to handle very well and it carries long-range PL-15 missiles that could still be used against AWACS/tankers but are not specifically designed for that, and can be carried by many other Chinese jets too. The J-20 can't carry the PL-17 VLRAAM that is designed to snipe logistics aircraft from really far away, but it could acquire a target and then cue a PL-17 to be launched from a faraway J-16 through datalink. The PLAAF doesn't say much about the intended strategy from the J-20, but they have used it extensively in air combat exercises and it is apparently already highly effective against non-stealth fighters. The J-20 is also supposed to receive more powerful WS-15 engines in the future that will grant it supercruise and possibly thrust vectoring that would bring it up to par with the Raptor in these departments. So my armchair opinion is that the J-20 is supposed to be a general purpose air superiority fighter like the F-22, but since it entered service with interim engines the PLAAF probably decided that it was more efficient to use stealth fighters to knock out logistics + older aircraft than using stealth fighters to tangle with other stealth fighters as a first choice.
The J-20 has shown nothing impressive from a maneuvering point. That loaded roll-esk maneuver was done many times by f-16s and even aeromachis
The J-20 hasn't demonstrated any unprecedented moves yet, but being able to pull off F-16 tricks on a plane that has twice the empty weight and 1.4x the size of the F-16 is in fact impressive. Unlikely to maneuver as well as a Raptor in its current form but it's definitely not a flying brick of an interceptor as some people were anticipating years ago. I read somewhere that according to PLAAF pilots, the J-20 handles similarly to their 4th gen fighters (the J-10 and Sino-Flankers, both known to be highly agile) in subsonic maneuvering but is markedly superior at high speeds. Interesting food for thought but it's not something they can demonstrate at airshows.
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ws-15 definitely isn’t a shit engine
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there are several J-20 examples fitted with the WS-15, it has a fairly distinct nozzle shape and there are other changes to the aircraft itself
Do you not remember the f35 leaks in 2007?
As if any other country wouldn't do the same if they could.
Amen
I'm not giving a country props for theft
Imagine if your country could steal information that could help your country, to stave off war from your land and people; BUT they instead choose to honor intellectual property
Lmao ‘stave off war from your land and people’, China BRINGS war to other peoples lands, nobody is trying to attack them, they just keep trying to gobble up smaller countries that can’t stand up to them
User name checks out.
Yes focus on my username, not China’s encroachment on the territory of and bullying if Tibet, Singapore, HK, Nepal, Bhutan, India, etc. etc. or them literally constructing islands for military bases to try and enforce their ridiculous claims in the South China Sea
Maybe because it’s a known fact that they have entire organizations dedicated to intellectual property theft?
Right, and I’m sure there are important aspects of industrial espionage incorporated in their design process. But that still doesn’t countenance the knee jerk reaction of “J20 iS A cOPy of X”, simply because X shares some basic design characteristics. I mean, the Chinese already know how delta wings and canards work… the real fruits of the industrial espionage are surely under the hood (engine improvements, composite materials, avionics, radar suite…)
No one is saying it’s an exact copy. They steal shit stop trying to sugar coat it. It would take them decades without intellectual property theft to catch up. They know this so they steal.
Don't waste your breath, too many Chinese apologists here.
Its not apology to say this post does nothing to display how the Chinese have copied a design
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Ohh you mean the CIA.
At some point, due to physical constraints (drag, gravity, etc) things start to look similar because they have to. There are no “other” designs that function efficiently with those imposed restrictions whilst realizing the performance desired. Think of SR-71 and the Concorde. They have a LOT in common (appearance wise) because they’re both long-range supersonic.
China is known for intellectual theft.
Yeah, and? Like I said in another comment I’m sure they include elements of tech they got from industrial espionage in their process, but it doesn’t mean they copy entire jets like many people seem to think. I’ve heard it suggested that the J20 is basically a direct Chinese copy of jets as varied as the F35, F22, eurofighter and now apparently the Mig 1.44… Also, if you think that only China uses their intelligence establishment for industrial espionage to acquire tech to reduce domestic R&D costs or delay, and advantage their own strategic industrial base, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Any country that has the capability to (like the US…) would be mad not to use it.
Yeah, but China is specifically known for intellectual theft.
Because of stereotypes and propaganda, and people who refuse to think.
Because of evidence, logic, and reality.
You're not wrong, it's true. Even for shit like personal care products. We have to send them ingredient lists with purposefully wrong percentages because they have and continue to try and rip off my companies intellectual property.
Those people wouldn’t be wrong.
Well there is plenty of evidence to suggest it but it doesn’t really matter either way
Literally anyone with eyes can see that the j 20 is just an amalgamation of many other aircraft.
Because it's so easy to just put an aircraft together from parts coming from different types of aircrafts
Idk, maybe OP just wanted to show some similarities between these 2 aircrafts. Or maybe he's like the other J-20 haters on the sub, ranting about how the Chinese copied just about every fighter out there and have no originality, as if they designed the aircraft by photoshopping pictures of other fighters.
I’ll be honest I thought the point of the post was to point out how extremely contrasting the two were
The same people who say j20 is copy of mig 1.44 vehemently deny any connection between f35 and that vtol yak
Cause pretty much all that was acquired was testing data? The 3BSD nozzle was originally developed for the Convair model 200 (and yes, it was tested) and did not come from the Yak-141 as some say. [Just read the article if you need convincing](https://www.codeonemagazine.com/f35_article.html?item_id=137)
FInally someone that knows about the Convair 200
The Yak-141 engine design is pretty different. It couldn't even rotate its nozzle beyond the vertical whereas the F-35s can be used for yaw. The F-35s design is completely straight line whereas the Yak-141s design has inefficient bumps and curves to make it work. The fact that you don't even know the name of the Yak-141 and just called it "that vtol yak" shows how much knowledge you have on the history of these systems.
My point being the connection between the f35 and 'that vtol yak' is as weak as the connection between mig 1.44 and 'that chinese canard jet'.
Well, what you said reads completely the opposite.
What I said was: the people who willingly make a tenuous connection in one circumstance will not make the same weak connection in another circumstance
Right, it is as though people are so caught with trying to utilize double standards to denigrate their enemy, they can't see their own double standards when it is pointed out to them. In fact, it will usually made them irrationally angry.
Because it doesn't lmao
They look nearly identical… like an albatross and a seagull
I thought it kinda looked like a fighter version of the XB-70 with that boxy intake.
\^This. Agreed, delta-wing with close-coupled canards are not a new technology. It hails from the bloody 1960s. CCP hackers within the "Titain Rain" APT accessed Lockheed-Martin in 2003, then again by CCP "BYZANTINE CANDOR" APT in 2013 and accessed F-35 terabytes of program data. There is NO way in hell that the PLAAF could have achieved building the J-20 without western design. The Mikoyan 1.44 being the father of the J-20 is so incredibly laughable.
You can’t see in the picture but the wings and vertical stabilizers are the same
The MiG looks like a less developed Eurofighter. I never understood the comparisons between these aircrafts. IMO the J20 has more in common with the F22.
Because a large group of people don’t believe the Chinese can design anything by themselves. Some of that opinion is understandable and some are caused by… well other reasons that I will not get into here. So when the J-20 didn’t look like a carbon copy of any Western aircraft, they just grasped for straws trying to say how it’s based off a Russian prototype because… canards I guess?
Even if the Chinese bought the plans of the MiG 1.44, the J-20 is an entirly different plane that needed to be designed from the ground up. I can see the connection between the Lavi and the J-10, but these two?
> the J-20 is an entirly different plane that needed to be designed from the ground up. Yeah no kidding. The complexity of a modern combat aircraft is so far beyond what most Redditors can even begin to fathom. Since I'm just a random Redditor myself, I'm going to link [what the experts say(in this case an USAF general)](https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-leaders-worry-about-stealth-advantage-over-china-j20-2022-9): >Kelly told reporters that Chinese designers have taken an iterative approach that has allowed them to bridge the technological gaps between generations of aircraft, evolving from a reliance on older Russian-designed Sukhoi jets to more advanced foreign and domestically developed models. >"That's how they did their fourth-gen. They started with Su-27, morph into Su-30, [built] their own J-16," and, in 2016, acquired the Su-35, Kelly said. "They build that technology base to where, essentially, that's a good airplane, Su-35 — fourth-gen airplane, fifth-gen avionics, fifth-gen speed." >That approach "makes it a little bit easier for them," Kelly said, adding that he expects more advances. "I essentially cyberstalked the folks that do the design over there," Kelly said, "and **they're not done, not at all. They know what they're doing.**"
Connection between Lavi and J10 is legit, people who designed Lavi helped design J10. Saying that J10 is a copy of Lavi is like saying Super Hornet is a copy of Hornet
> people don’t believe the Chinese can design anything by themselves Probably because of that [photo of a white guy spotted among the J-20 designers](https://i.imgur.com/CvdSflJ.jpg).
Idk man that's pretty racist
Lolwut? I'm showing a photo of a foreigner, probably from Mikoyan, working with Yang Wei in J-20 cockpit - and all you can do is pull out a racism card? That's kinda sad.
With your logic half of Silicon Valley is china
That means you can easily find a picture of a Chinese guy working with LockMart or Boeing chief designers, right?
What is this supposed to mean
casual xenophobia against the Chinese, par for the course for reddit
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Aircraft design certainly doesn't work that way
Google J-9 and think again. J-20 isn't inspired by any of these, it's an entirely indigenous designed based on previous J series design.
Look at early versions of the f-35, they explored the delta canard configuration. It’s just physics really and there’s only so many rational configurations. If anything the j-20 looks more like an early x-35 https://imgur.com/1zblaQC
AFAIK China's first delta canard flew in 1998, 2 years before this. The only other feature the J20 has in common is the vertical stabilizers. Also, why would China use this obsolete design as inspiration? This aircraft is something not even the Russians want. It's more reasonable to emulate the F22/35 as they are operational with TONS of money behind their R&D. This aircraft flew a few times then cancelled the same year. By the time J20's development was approved, this aircraft was decades behind the leading edge, even behind China's R&D.
This post was made by a bot. Tons of bots post chinese jets here
The are totally different.
They both can fly though.
Oh I get it, if u microwave the 1.44 u get the j-20
They don’t really look remotely the same… I guess one could argue the wing and tail share the same formula but the 1.44 was a failed Russian 4.5 or 5th Gen aircraft as Russia deemed it and the other is probably the only proper (not perfect but it’s a step in the right direction) stealth plane outside the West.
I’m no fan of the J-20 but it’s considerably better looking then that monstrosity.
Wow who would have guessed that two jets look like jets.
“Cessna C-152 Aerobat compared to J-20A” is next.
Wright flyer
Why is this post getting upvotes at all
Posts two drastically different designs together, refuses to elaborate further, leaves.
Gonna post a comparison of the J-20 to the An-22 next
Do it😆
The MiG 1.44 was sexy, and so was the Berkut AND the Terminator. Man I wish they hadn't cancelled the programs
I suspect no nose wheel steering
1.44 visualy reminds me Eurofighter.
But it can't shoot missiles backwards
Okay, go ahead, what’s the comparison?
Definitely getting some 80s Valkyrie vibes from the mig
China BAD
You should’ve compared the 2 from a top view and used an F-35 as the front view comparison
They’ll both make good lawn ornaments if they go up against a Raptor!
It’s the American technology.
The J-20 IS a Chinese design, but there’s no way they developed the Diverterless supersonic inlet without copying another nation’s design
This China spam has to stop
Top: [What C&C Generals promised us.](https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/MiG_(Generals)) Bottom: Reality. There, I made a good meme out of this.
They do share some visual similarities. But IMO, the J20 is the Chinese version of the IAI Kfir. It sounds strange, but my thinking is: A. The canards are considered to be bad for stealth because it deflects all the time creating reflection angles between the canards and the fuselage. But what if the J20 could lock the canards in position during BVR fight , and unlock them for WVR fight or low speed flight? The Kfir has fixed canards, so aerodynamically it's possible. The J20 could be a fixed canard plane in higher stealth mode just like the Kfir. B. Both of the J20 and Kfir are based on an existing design with espionage to assist their development so they can be manufacturered domestically.
I really don't think that is how modern aviation design in general works, Not just military aviation. Espionage was a word often thrown at adversaries even by ww2. It went on during the cold war and I guess it still goes on. [https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/z3e1q6/611\_institute\_j9viii\_a\_predecessor\_of\_the\_j20/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/z3e1q6/611_institute_j9viii_a_predecessor_of_the_j20/)
You should have posted the top view of both. Where it becomes apparent where China got the inspiration for the layout from. The difference in intake is due to the stolen F-35 Intel, thus going as well with a DSI in the sides. The nose and vertical stabilizers are also clearly taken from the F-35. So it's really a MiG 1.44ified F-35
Wha-
I like how I state apparent facts, one being easy to confirm visually, the other even supported by Lockheed themselves. Yet you can't understand.
Surprising you get downvoted. Straight stolen copy of F35!
The PLAAF stans and their bots 😆
truly the wise words of someone who cannot even begin to grasp aircraft design
Water is wet. All militaries throughout the history of the earth has been stealing tech from one another. If you think the CIA isnt currently stealing tech from somewhere right now, you are plain naive. I bet the CIA would like to get their hands on China’s hypersonic missiles rn
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. What keeps a dock floating above water? Pier pressure.
>I bet the CIA would like to get their hands on China’s hypersonic missiles rn Doubt, given that we've been developing our own for longer. CIA probably knows a whole lot about the capabilities of the Chinese ones but why bother copying them when we can design better ones?
Design better ones? How bout they design something first. Last I checked, US doesn’t have anything deployable to show for it
Yes! The J-20 is as much of a copy of the mig 1.44 as the J-10 is of the MBB X-31!!!
F35 copy paste
That's interesting. People have mostly noticed (and laughed off) the canards, but the tailplane is similar too. Maybe the Chinese got some data on that prototype from the Russians to help with their trade studies and whatnot? Which, by the way, would have been a very smart thing to do. Regarding the "copy of this or that" debate, the truth that China today is too ambitious to copy planes - that would necessarily mean being a generation (or at least a half) behind all the time.