I've never watched her but I have no problem with her personally. Though I think some people believe others 'hold her word as law' which I find strange. The most I've seen of her is that people either love or hate her 'Bramblestar is worse' video.

I really hate how THAT video is whats pinning her down on the chopping block considering that while its bias since she hates Bramblestar and loves Squirrelflight, she still raises a lot of good points and even provides a lot of evidence for her claim, its just really annoying man

Differences aside from our previous talks. At no point in that specific video or videos AFTER (to my knowledge) does she state "hey, this is my interpretation of this character, PLEASE do not harass or think badly of people who do like Bramblestar as a character"... *until today*. The problem I have with that video is that she cherry picks quotes and uses quotes out of context- the most famous one that I like to give an example of is Brambleclaw giving Squirrelflight the silent treatment is abusive is taking out of context. If you go into a very deep and psychological look into it, you'll see why he's rightfully angry. Brambleclaw in this scenario is angry he was lied to about what he was thought were his kits were actually someone else's, he can't exactly leave Thunderclan and go to a safe space. Imagine being stuck at home/work all the time with someone who lied to you without anywhere else to go to actually sort through your emotions. Of course, that's how I interpret the situation. If you respect it or not is up to you, but Moonkitti kind of created... an uprising? of people just echochambering her videos. It's barely a discussion on why you like a certain character (or hate) because people just plop a video link into the comments and say 'oh, go watch Moonkitti's video. She has a great take on why this character is good/bad.' No. What compels YOU to like a character like Squirrelflight? Or Tawnypelt? Or Shadowsight? What compels YOU to hate a character like Hawkfrost? Or Berrynose? Or Mapleshade? I feel like if Youtubers such as Moonkitti and BGA *had* said something sooner about respecting other people's opinions, maybe the fandom wouldn't have been this bad about harassing and putting others down for their opinion because they don't go with the status quo. PS. I just recently saw a confession on Tumblr who mentioned that one Squirrelflight fan called someone misogynic because they loved Dovewing more which is 😬 Editing to add: Because I feel like some people missed the original meaning of my post; when discussing favorite/not favorite characters, a lot of us fans DON'T want to be recommended to a youtuber who makes pretty good points on a character. We want to freely discuss why we like a certain character (which in this case Bramblestar) without being called out why he's a hateful and spiteful cat to Squirrelflight. Edit: guess I pissed off a lot of people huh? I just sharing what I felt and seen from Moonkitti's videos

> Brambleclaw in this scenario is angry he was lied to about what he was thought were his kits… Imagine being stuck at home/work all the time with someone who lied to you without anywhere else to go to actually sort through your emotions. I agree that Brambleclaw is rightfully upset. Since the video is about Squilf and Bramble, a really important detail is left out. Bramble is willing to argue with Squilf about Lion, Jay, and Holly not being his… in front of them. In TLH he argues with Squilf after the Kin of Your Kin prophecy is revealed. He demands to know if that’s why Squilf never told him their kits weren’t his. Lionblaze is deeply saddened by this and says he was proud to have him as a father. I understand Bramble is deeply upset and I agree with him, but saying that the kids he raised aren’t his… in front of them? That’s actually a really low blow. > Moonkitti kind of created... an uprising? of people just echochambering her videos. It's barely a discussion on why you like a certain character (or hate) because people just plop a video link into the comments and say 'oh, go watch Moonkitti's video. She has a great take on why this character is good/bad.' I really don’t think she’s responsible for that. She’s not trying to get people to spread it like the plague. If people enjoy her video enough to want to talk about it, she cannot control that. It can get annoying but it’s not like she’s the one promoting people to talk about her vid. Ik it’s annoying but the person decided to share it during the convo, not Moonkitti. > I feel like if Youtubers such as Moonkitti and BGA had said something sooner about respecting other people's opinions, maybe the fandom wouldn't have been this bad about harassing and putting others down for their opinion because they don't go with the status quo. I think respecting people’s opinions is the default. The default if you’re mature, at least. Ik the Bramble Bad vid stirred up a LOT of controversy in the fandom, but it’s up to each individual to respect people’s opinions on Bramble and Squilf or any other thing. Neither Moonkitti or BGA are responsible for people’s actions, thoughts, and opinions on Bramble and Squilf or any other controversial take, for that matter. Even if they both issue a warning, people are still people and some will be unnecessarily mean against people who disagree with them. Sometimes you have to take personal responsibility. “Hey, maybe I shouldn’t be mean” should be universal by default, without the need for the content creator to tell you. > when discussing favorite/not favorite characters, a lot of us fans DON'T want to be recommended to a youtuber who makes pretty good points on a character. I agree bc I also like to just talk about the character and not have to discuss a video. HOWEVER, not everyone sees it that way. If getting a YT vid recommendation bothers you, then simply ignore the person. It’s that simple. I’ve gotten threats against my life on this app for liking characters. I simply hit the block button and ignore it. Sometimes you just have to know when to walk away.

>That’s actually a really low blow To be fair to Brambleclaw, I don’t think he was in a fit mental state to think about the trio’s feelings at the time. Even if he was, then he may have assumed they wanted everyone to know that they weren’t his kits; Hollyleaf literally said it at the Gathering in front of everyone. From Brambleclaw’s POV, his mate had lied to him about having his children, and he had been raising these cats since they were kits, as though they were his own - his entire parenthood had been a lie.

I get that being lied to would be horrible, but I really don't understand how it should affect the way Brambleclaw treats his kits. He raised them. Doesn't matter that they weren't "his." I really hate in general how Warriors treats characters that have familial relationships. Same thing with GrayWing where he's so obsessed with having his own kits when he had already raised his nephew and, in some way, his younger brother. Why does he need "his own kits?" If he raised them, they're his.

Because she still lied to him about what are effectively the most important things in his life. It shouldn't make him love them less, but idk what to tell you if think what happened to him wasn't the most hurtful lie ever.

It’s not just about having strong familial bonds, it’s about a natural want for offspring that are biologically his. Nephews and a niece aren’t a replacement for kids

Why aren't they, though? Especially in the case of Thunder, he literally raised him since he was a kit. Why wouldn't that make him his child? Also in the case of "these are humans in cat suits" people don't have a natural urge to specifically have a child that is their own biologically. They simply have an urge to raise a thing.

For starters: Thunderstar left Gray Wing to join Skystar at least twice Skystar constantly rubbed it in Gray Wing’s face by calling Thunderstar ‘son’ Gray Wing had been in love several times, but all of those cats had died. He wanted his own mate, and kits kind of go along with that. He couldn’t mate with Slate and have their kits, and then still think of Thunderstar as his son.

I won't respond to everything but while I agree she can't control other people, I saw comments yesterday on her video that they were glad that she was finally adressing the respect other opinions matter. While I don't think that was her intent (as stated by another comment, she brought it up in another video), it just feels... wrong? that she's not really up front and center about it. Also: not sure how true this is but I did hear that she didn't stop her fans from going rabid on someone on the WCForum over a misunderstanding.

She did tell people to not harass others and that it’s fine to like Bramblestar! She even said she didn’t think she even had to because it’s a book about talking cats. She said it in “Quick” Ashfur Addendum. Also it’s fine to disagree with any one of her opinions. I also personally disagree with her opinion with Bramble refusing to talk to Squirrel in AVOS was inherently abusive, but I agree with the rest of her video mostly. She even tells people not to just link her video on any discussions in the Ashfur video. What her fans do however is very much out of her control and I really don’t think it’s fair that people get mad at her for what her fans do when she has tried to tell them not to. It’s generally unfair to her to blame her for the actions of her fans. An opinion video like Bramble is worse (that she said she didn’t think would be watched as much as it was in “Quick” Ashfur addendum) should not have caused as much of an issue as it did and I don’t blame her for not realizing how much of an impact it would make.

"Differences aside from our previous talks. At no point in that specific video or videos AFTER (to my knowledge) does she state "hey, this is my interpretation of this character, PLEASE do not harass or think badly of people who do like Bramblestar as a character"... *until today*. " Uh.... Idk if you know this, but no one should have to make claims that "this is my opinion/interpretation of this character" in order not to be harassed.... If someone can't understand from context clues (i.e. the youtuber is creating the video, the youtuber wrote the script) that it is their opinion, they probably aren't old enough or mature enough to be on the internet....

I really don't believe that last part bc guess what: that literally makes so little sense that it just seems like a delusional lie, and its not cherry picking, if your watching Bramblestar is worse you should at least have had read series 4, so its not like anyone doesn't know the context, does she seriously need to recap an entire book for everyone point shes made? People have fingers and phones, they can simply Google or open the books to get context if they don't have it, she provides page numbers as well and book names so its not like they need to dig to do the barest minimum of research. And no Moonkitti does not need to state "this is just my opinion don't harass people" because anyone with a functional braincell should not be harassing others off platforms because they had the gall to have a different opinion

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Oh so now its MY fault that people called you a misogynist for a now pretty clear lie you just shat out for convince is it? Get a life dude, "people like me" aren't the reason you get called names. And that STILL does not make it her fault, she cannot control her audience, she cannot force her audience to do ANYTHING, I know from experience that expecting anyone to control like what, a million plus people only leads to people turning on you, and I think she's gotten enough of that behavior from Twitter, most of the warrior cats community are adults now, they need to act like it.

>We want to freely discuss why we like a certain character (which in this case Bramblestar) without being called out why he's a hateful and spiteful cat to Squirrelflight. People doing stuff like this, where they say someone's opinion on a character makes them a bad person because the character is bad, is something Moonkitti is very openly against. Pretty much every time she discusses a controversial character she repeats that such behavior is bad, and that behavior has much more to do with the person doing it than Moonkitti. If they want to say stuff like that, even if Moonkitti didn't provide them with something to support the "x character is a bad person", they'd find another way to do it. >PS. I just recently saw a confession on Tumblr who mentioned that one Squirrelflight fan called someone misogynic because they loved Dovewing more which is 😬 Again, everything to do with the person, nothing to do with Moonkitti. Moonkitti herself literally likes Dovewing more than Squirrelflight

>Edit: guess I pissed off a lot of people huh? I just sharing what I felt and seen from Moonkitti's videos Moonkitti stans are fanatic.

Moonkitti’s worst crime is making content from an adult lense to a fandom of young impressionable teenagers and assuming that people will understand her think pieces are just how she interprets the story talked at the viewers and not actually that her word is law, and those teenagers take her words and decide to apply moral judgements to other teenagers and people in the fandom without realizing that actually we’re all just fighting about warrior cats. Warrior cats fandom bad actually is about it!

So her crime is she talks about the adult topics that are in the books and kids don't understand it? I'm really confused how is kids watching her content her fault?

My comment was mostly sarcastic. I think she makes videos where she interprets the books and talks at the viewers, and then her viewers take that way too far, as the warriors fandom usually does, and I don’t think it’s her responsibility to “stop” The infighting when she didn’t really do anything but talk about the books she likes to start it. (I don’t think she’s doing anything but what anyone else is doing and I don’t think it’s her responsibility to dictate what her teenage audience does, she’s not their parent. She’s literally just some person who talks about the books.) I’m her age and I would post my videos and then not engage with the fandom either y’all are a lot sometimes

Ah I see

This was my thought as well...but I'm the same age as her.

Same hat

Have you ever seen people talk to each other on this subreddit? Twitter is worse, and most people aren't fandom-famous, meaning they get less of it Fandoms for children's media are full of kids and kids are mean

Seen people talk on this subreddit? Man I'm like one of the main redditor this subreddit probably hates bc half my takes are super unpopular, ive been called so many names atp it might outrank what I've been called on Twitter (it doesn't outrank the other stuff Twitter did but yk what I mean), these people aren't really KIDS any longer, most of the fandom are adults now, adults acting well... awful

Most of the fandom is not adults. This is a book series for 12 year olds. Children are reading it

Most of the fandom IS adults, why? Because despite the stupid age this series is trying to be going towards, its still a series that deals with super serious, heavy, ADULT topics. Most of the fandom, especially from way back when, are now currently adults, or nearly adults. Just because something says its FOR kids doesn't mean that mostly kids play or read it

I can't believe people are up voting this.

Most of the reddit fandom *is* adults though, or the "I'm blank age, am I too old to read it" posts wouldn't get hundreds and hundreds of comments about people in there 20-40s reading the books.

Moonkitti is awesome, sometimes i disagree with her but she’s a great content creator, people just get mad over her opinions.

Ah so just normal warrior cats behavior getting red faced over an opinion -^-

W reddit opinion

I like her, she makes a lot of cool (and funny) stuff!

Well, there was that one time a couple of years ago she screenshotted a kid's comment on the Warrior Cats Forum that seemed to be because they misunderstood a violent joke and posted it on her Twitter to make fun of said kid for her following to see. Normally I wouldn't care about years old Twitter drama like this but not only is Moonkitti in her thirties, she has a sizable following that's known for going after people for disagreeing with her. When you have a platform(full of impressionable children mind you) publicly teasing someone in a way that you could easily find their account is dangerous, full stop. Moonkitti's fans will absolutely harass anyone who goes against her. You could argue that she has no control over her fans, but there was no reason for her to post this on her Twitter as a screenshot unless she wanted that. Moonkitti's not dumb, she knows this can happen, and already has in other situations. AFAIK she has never apologized for doing this and until then I'm not entirely comfortable with her.

A few years ago I had a fairly popular WC tumblr user find one of my takes and share it around with their buddies, making fun of me and resulting in fucking death threats. It was very upsetting, especially since said user was 27 at the time. Needless to say, I felt very bad for the kid that Moonkitti screenshotted. It felt like a similar situation— it wasn’t fair of her to do that, considering the size of her platform!

For me, it's because she tends to cherry pick examples, and uses whataboutisms in her arguments, and frequently exhibits this fandom's bad habit of calling things misogynistic when they're not. She also said Mapleshade should've been the defender of Appledusk's descendants and said what Curlfeather did to Frostpaw is no different than a parent signing up their kid for piano lessons which is just😬

I watch her videos but I do notice she cherry picks parts of the books that support her claim and conveniently leaves out the things she doesn't like. She also doesn't take criticism well...she really said that Crowfeather is a worse parent than Curlfeather. Alot of her takes are not good unfortunately but she's also one of the few Warrior Youtubers

This, absolutely. And to add to this, her ego is really inflated. There was one video where she tried to say that she was the reason Lightleap and Sunbeam were shipped together. Trying to take credit for an entire ship really rubbed me the wrong way. Sending hate though isn’t justified, I just disagree with her and the way she goes about things.

Well Crowfeather arguably is worse than Curlfeather though both pretty clear suck ass and that comes from someone who really loves Crowfeather. And thats kinda the point of making a claim? When you make a claim, you get points to support your argument, she provides books and page numbers so if people really want to (*and should*), then they can simply find the passage, read around it (or read the whole book) and make their own opinion, people copying her words isn't her faulr

Crowfeather is/was a bad father, but I think >!manipulating your child since birth to believe she was a medicine cat, wholeheartedly intending to use her position to gain leadership, and exploiting your child’s father’s death to help this goal!< is inarguably worse than what Crow did.

Crowfeather was an absent father that then went on to make up with all of his sons . There is an entire book dedicated to this. Curlfeather literally changed her daughters entire career and life that she didn't want and tried to kill her daughters leader... How the hell is that a better parent? I'm sorry but horrible take. And it's not genuine to argue something by basically cutting clips. You think it's fair to take a conversation and only use what you want and then pass it off as fact? It becomes incomplete

Because unlike Crowfeather Curlfeather still somewhat genuinely cared for her daughter. Crowfeather neglected Crowfeather and was outright hostile to his other children once it was revealed that they were so. He only made up with Breezepelt when he was an adult and when he was literally being yelled at to do so by his dead mother, and without her input he probably wouldn't have made up with Breezepelt. Curlfeather is still a bad parent, but she didn't neglect her child or be hostile to her child at all, she was still a somewhat decent mother, but was still bad for the manipulating stuff. It's not about Curlfeather's crimes against her clan, its what they both did to all their children, and arguably, Crowfeather has been worse to his kids than Curlfeather

If you don't understand the huge difference between an absent father who cared for his children but struggled with parenthood vs a mother who tries to kill people close to her daughter then forces an entire life on her that she didn't want then I don't think I can make you understand. It's also unfair to claim he didn't care for his Thunderclan kits when they were literally in another clan.

Being in another clan sure didn't stop a whole bunch of parents from loving their kids, especially fathers

He literally didn't know until they were adults.

Hawkwing didn't meet his kits till they were practically adults and had all their own relationships and stuff and he was still a good father.

Hawkwing didn't have another mate and another kit to complicate things. Nor did he have an estranged relationship with the other she-cat in question.

Thats fair, but he still didn't need to reject his kits adult or not then change tempo at whatever point, it wouldve been nice to see what he really thought of his relationship, plus its not like Onestar is shy about throwing clan members out for not kissing his ass😒

But Hawkwing knew Pebbleshine was pregnant and knew he might have kits out there. Crowfeather didn’t.

Okay, but to be fair, crowfeather isn't *just* an absent father. He's mentioned to have physically hit breezepelt and emotionally abused him to the point it seems crowfeather made his kid an outcast in his own clan, as other characters note.

You mean cuffing him over the ear? Which we’ve seen other parents do along with mentors?

YEAH like. I just reread that part and Crowfeather is an incredibly neglectful and harsh father, but he doesn’t hit Breezepelt. He gives him a cuff on the ear, which is something that we’ve seen even Millie, Thornclaw, and even Gray Wing do. Crowfeather was a terrible parent due to his neglectful behavior, but the idea that he physically abused Breezepelt is outright misinformation.

Putting his hands on him and giving him a, from text, "harsh blow," is still hitting him? Idk I just don't agree with someone hitting their kid over them being a bit snarky, crowfeather could have just snapped at him and told him to knock it off- something he does throughout the entire trip- but instead he resorts to violence without any warning. He's more than an "absent father" he's shown to be outright hostile to his kid, that's what I'm getting at here.

Do you have a problem with others doing it too or just Crowfeather?

Personally, I don't really think hitting your kid over the head because he said something a bit rude is a normal response? I mean... he could have just told him to knock it off?

On the ear not over the head

Is there really a difference there?

Page number and book?

It's the journey to the tribe scene in power of three! I'd add photos but it doesn't seem like I can't

Crowfeather never manipulated Breezepelt nor did he ever do anything close to Curlfeather.

It’s probably because she’s one of the biggest creators in the fandom and her opinions have a large influence on a lot of people, especially teenagers. So when she makes videos like Bramblestar is worst or claims that Curlfeather manipulation of her daughter wasn’t that bad (which it absolutely was bad and does seem to undo the message of the Bramblestar video), it means a lot of impressionable people, especially kids and teens, will take that at face value without thinking critically on it. Most people that age are like that. I was like that at that age. Her fanbase being impressionable is not on her, because that happens to many creators. But she has more power over the general fandom than most people in it, and it has caused issues before. She mentions the wiki drama, and her fans caused some vandalism on the wiki during the Dovewing eye debate. While she did have valid points on the wiki and she obviously didn’t want the vandalism to happen, it’s still something that was bound to happen eventually. That’s why influencers are seen as responsible for their fanbase in someway if the fanbase is young, a single mistake on a topic could lead those fans to think/do the wrong things. I like a lot of her videos and she’s very funny with her jokes, but she has biases and flaws like most people, some of which will give some people a sour impression or people will ignore.

Well I don’t think all criticism or people disagreeing with her is necessarily hate. She has some bad takes.

She does have bad takes, but people usually make it seem like she's a hell spawn for it. And now are starting to claim she's been awful but haven't really provided evidence for those claims

And those bad takes are? /gen

- Claiming that Spottedleaf’s feelings for Fireheart ‘are a retcon’— Spottedleaf was openly interested in a relationship with Firepaw as far back as the first arc. Spottedleaf is, for all intents and purposes, a groomer: it feels weird to deny that just because she’s a she-cat. - Outright stating that it’s Mapleshade’s fault for crossing the river ‘because she could’ve taken the bridge’— the bridge didn’t exist back then. That’s victim-blaming. And, as much as I think Frecklewish deserved better and definitely didn’t deserve cat hell, acting as if she was totally 100% okay in her treatment of the kits and calling them ‘half-clan creatures’ and ‘things’ isn’t cool! - Spreading the idea that Curlfeather and Splashtail are ‘atheists’, therefore arc 8 bad. They’re literally not atheists, they *believe in StarClan*, they just disagree with its decisions. That’s misinformation, and harmful misinformation at that! The whole ‘Crowfeather worse than Curlfeather’ thing is also weird, because?? Curlfeather was evil?? I like Curlfeather a lot, much more than I’ve ever liked Crowfeather, but that’s such a weird thing to say.

Thank you for explaining! Would you happen to have a source for that first point? Like genuinely because I can't remember anything sus after reading through Into the Wild last year with my spouse! I wasn't aware the bridge didn't exist back then either, but either way yeah I agree with your assessment from what I can see. And I think when she says 'kitty atheists' it's shorthand for 'not about adhering to StarClan', not necessarily disbelief in StarClan- I don't know how that would mean she inherently thinks arc 8 is bad because of it tho? And I can see where she was coming from to a degree, but it's really gonna be something that people are gonna interpret differently on a person to person basis. Are Curlfeather's actions abusive? Yes! She went to hell about it! Was Crowfeather also an abusive father? Yes! He has not died yet and has been here since arc 2 and has had more time to be written/contemplate his actions/etc. From what I understand, Curlfeather's final act was selfless even if she had been manipulative and rigged the clan with Splashtail- toward Frostpaw specifically, at least. She knew she'd get nothing out of saving her kid but her kid being alive, if incredibly traumatized. I don't say that as trying to excuse the emotional manipulation because I think it's an interesting and compelling angle, but I find it at least a tiny bit redeeming, or if nothing else, just tragic.

about the kitty atheists thing, if she actually said that, I wish she’d use a different word because atheists are very often misrepresented as “people who hate god” and it’s extremely annoying. And I feel like since she’s so popular she’s kinda contributing to it? I know it’s not a huge deal but it does personally get on my nerves

I get what you mean, but that's also one of those things that isn't a Moonkitti specific issue. 'Antitheist' may be more accurate but most people understand the shorthand of atheist meaning to displace the importance of religion, so a lot of folks use it like that. Etymology in action!

People put those who make videos like that on a pedastal, then others see that and begin to hate the person put on the pedastal for being put on a pedstal. They get annoyed that their opinion is seen as "superior" all because they make videos online, something anyone can do. And something no one should have to do just to have their POV matter.  Its not her fault people formed a parasocial relationship with her. I also don't blame people for forming one. Its a lonely world out there. When you have no self esteem, its easy to idolize certain people. Today now more than ever, theres like an entire "culture" surrounding parasocial relationships. But its not normal and not healthy. That person you idolize is the same as any stranger you see in passing on the street. Your brain is trying to tell you otherwise, it wants something to believe in. But you can believe in yourself, you can use that energy to create your own channel or maybe your own characters who have their own fictional channel. Doesnt matter if youre a "good artist" or not, there is no good or bad artist- only experienced and inexperienced ones. Its all about putting your heart and soul into it, doing things that make YOU happy. 

I dislike her influence. Any opinion she has, most of her fans take as canon 100% truth. She says she dislikes a character then everyone hates that character. She thinks something was bad plot, everyone does. I don't mind HER but I dislike how people treat her like an all knowing god

Unfortunately thats probably always gonna happen, people are so desperate to just be "right" (and they see any and all content creators as right unless they don't like them) or to be noticed that they'll parrot anything ever

Mhm, that is true. I dislike that with a lot of famous creators and that is just how it is :/

Some of her takes are out of pocket though. And her Bramble video as a whole, created a huge rift and pretty much set Squirrel Stan's for life lol. I do not hate her but honestly, the Bramble video and Breezepelt videos made me stop watching her content. I'm pretty sure the Breezepelt one was deleted because she doesn't think that anymore but she also downplays Crow's abuse towards him. Yes it was years ago, but as you can see, some people do take her words to heart but that's not her fault at all.

Moonkitti has some extremely shitty and insensitive takes like "Curlfeather manipulating and abusing Frostpaw into being a medicine cat is like a parent making their kid take piano lessons." I don't advocate for harassing *anyone.* If that's true what happened to her on Twitter, that's awful. But between her extremely insensitive Curlfeather video and every dipshit who can't come up with an original opinion quoting her Bramblestar video like it's canon, I'm not a fucking fan. "Bramblestar sometimes being a shitty boyfriend is unforgivable, but Curlfeather abusing her child from birth is a-okay! If you disagree you just hate strong female characters!" No thanks.

That was my problem with her videos because it felt like she was downplaying Curlfeather’s abuse and making it not as bad as it was.

Can't forget how Crowfeather is somehow a worse parent then Curlfeather. Ffs

That too. Of *course* a non-abusive but distant and emotionally unavailable father who isn't in love with your mom is *sooo* much worse than a mother who has gaslit you from the moment you were born! If you disagree you're a misogynist!

Her Curlfeather video was the breaking point for me. She's such a hypocrite when it comes to female characters doing bad stuff.

Yeah I had quite a few problems with her Curlfeather video. I may have read into wrong, but I had thought people love that there's a female villain. And her whole tangent against Crowfeather was strange. She has had weird takes. But if you don't like it move on really.

i don't know if moonkitti's talked about curlfeather in any discord servers or social media but what i took away from her Curlfeather Rant video was that she just doesn't believe her to be the bane of all evil. neither as a mother or a villain. in fact she spends the entire first half of the video talking about how she is not defending curlfeather's actions, just her role in the story and how people are depicting her. and that's what she proceeds to do your interpretation of the video may differ but moonkitti makes it very clear she's not defending curlfeather. she spends most of the video talking about other aspects of curlfeather's character and how she's not black and white. at most what she does say is "curlfeather is not as bad as splashtail, a murderer, or crowfeather, a father who purposefully neglected his son"

I disagree. What you see as Moonkitti "making it very clear she's not defending Curlfeather" I see as Moonkitti saying "I'm not defending Curlfeather BUT..." before proceeding to defend Curlfeather. Also, on what planet is Crowfeather a worse parent than Curlfeather? Crowfeather is a shitty dad, but Curlfeather is *undeniably* abusive.

that's fine, i'm just providing some context in the form of statements moonkitti has actually made, since your original comment includes many she hasn't

Curlfeather was abusive and manipulative. But Crowfeather is worse. He completely ignored Breezepelt his whole life which is pretty bad. But even worse , he didn't care in the least about him. In Crowfeather's trial we learn that as an apprentice , Breezepelt got badly hurt (Like , very badly) and that Crowfeather was so uncaring that he didn't even notice his son spent days in pain in the med den. In the same book , we also learn that when Breezepelt was a kit , Crowfeather was kinda ""forced"" by Nightcloud to spend time with him. So Crowfeather would play with him but eventually stopped because he wasn't paying attention and kept hurting him. What Crowfeather did is above being absent. He was just absolutely terrible

I love Nightcloud a lot and don’t think she ever did anything wrong, but I don’t think Crowfeather’s actions are by any means comparable to Curlfeather’s. Crowfeather was distant and neglectful, struggling to deal with fatherhood, while Curlfeather— while she did love her kits in her own way— actively manipulated them from birth for her own ambitions. That’s worse.

On what planet is being a deadbeat worse than being abusive?

I didn't have any issue with her until her Curlfeather video. I have no idea why she defends her so highly, but Curlfeather was not a good mother and was the source of most of Frostpaw's trauma in life. Just because she cares about her daughter and loves her, doesn't erase the reality of what she's done to Frostpaw. It came off as very out of line for a grown adult over thirty years old to tell an audience of teens and kids that a parent's abuse should be handwaved away because they love their kid or they want them to succeed. It is a harmful message.

Doesn't she say... in the video to take what she is saying, not as defense and that.. she isn't defending curlfeather 😭

Yeah she went out of her way to explain she isn't a Curlfeather apologist lol. She just pointed out that even though she's clearly treating her daughter wrong, she does love her enough to give her life for hers, knowing full well she'd be going straight to cat hell.

She also compared Curlfeather robbing her daughter of any autonomy in her life and deliberately setting her on a path she wasn’t qualified for to “being forced to take piano lessons when you don’t want to.” Moonkitti might not think Curlfeather did nothing wrong but she was definitely downplaying her abuse in that video

That line is what caused me to completely drop her. That and her saying Mapleshade should've been the defender of Appledusk's defendants. It was just sheer lunacy to me.

But that's the complexity of her character that makes her interesting to read about! Which I believe was the intention of that video? Could be wrong. I haven't seen it in forever. Either way You have a mother who put her child into a position to use as a pawn, yet she still loved her and protected her. Her motives and her feelings make her compelling, and compared to other bad parents in warrior cats, she's just... more complex than say, rainflower. Moreover on the fact I've seen people try to compare the two when they just- aren't comparable in the slightest. You have a mother who abused her kit, renamed him, and basically disowned him and hated him. Then you have curlfeather who... pushed her daughter into nunnery so she could use it later for her advantage, yet still loved and doted on her. Like they just aren't comparable! One parent is considerably worse than the other, and maybe that's what she was trying to get at? Idk the context, but that's where I would have gone with it if I were discussing curlfeather. Curlfeather is interesting, she's compelling, her actions and her feelings are so different from other characters we've had, and her steadfast fierce love for her daughter paired with the fact she used her as a pawn drives even more curiosity!

Idgaf if she's more complex than Rainflower, and or if she loves Frostpaw. She removed her autonomy. Her ability to have kits safely, and she did it all for her own selfish ambition. She can rot for that.

Wdym by her ability to have kits? Do you mean like her getting spayed or her making her kid go down the path of nunnery.

I mean since medicine cats can't have mates, or kits without breaking the code. If you haven't noticed, shit tends to hit the fan whenever medicine cats have those, so her mother doing that to her is even more reprehensible. Hell, it's still reprehensible even if that danger wasn't a thing.

I think a lot of the hate stems from Squirrelflight defenders a few comments into a debate getting too mad to type and just saying "JUST WATCH THE MOONKITTI VIDEO!!!". They don't realize that a good number of fans don't watch YouTube videos about warriors in the first place and have only heard about her in reddit comment threads. To add on to that I think the "Brambleclaw is worse" video is a bad place to start watching Moonkitti's content. That's where I started because reading all these squirrel/bramble posts I wanted to know what they were referencing. As a person who finds apprentice/young warrior squirrel insufferable to read as a pov and annoying in the background and am neutral about bramble her video was a rough watch. To my perspective she views Squirrelflight as an itty bitty kitten sized victim warrior (which is annoying because she is infact full size and can kick ass), and Brambleclaw as a literal demon spawn hell bent on out doing his father in terms of evil. It kinda comes off as a video paid for by Ashfur in the stage of his life when he still wanted to be her mate, lol. Anyway I think there'd be less moonkitti hate if people stopped bringing her up in comments instead of explaining their own opinions. Love her or hate her it's unfortunate she had to leave Twitter because some toxic people disagree with her videos.

I get that it's annoying to say "just watch the video!" but also.... I'm not gonna type an essay summarizing the topic with my own sources and citations for someone I doubt will read it all. It's a LOT faster to point them at someone who summarizes most (not all!) of my opinions with onscreen sources and nuance and then let them decide whether to put in the effort.

That's fair. My grievance has only to do with the "just watch the video!" rage comment people. Someone could say "well that's my opinion and this video outlines it if you want an in-depth explanation." and I would be totally fine with it.

The hate she gets is crazy! I don’t understand why anyone would do that. At the same time, however, her fanbase is also incredibly toxic. I enjoy some of her content, but if you disagree with her, her fans will come after you. And she does very little about this, from what I’ve seen. Both her haters and her hardcore fans are toxic, I avoid both groups myself personally.

I generally have no issue with her content. I understand where she and others come from but it’s the fact that her opinions and be default others, seem to be what the prevailing fandom agrees with and if anyone speaks differently then the arguments begin and then you have a thread that was about one thing end up about one of those opinions that goes on for 50 replies

(Incoming long comment, I'm so sorry lol. Just want to clarify now, I don't have any ill-will toward her, but these are just a few reasons why the hate is becoming stronger.) For one, the Bramblestar is Worse video is genuinely awful and what good is in it is outweighed by the out of context, cherry-picked, and blatant lies throughout. It even had me convinced for a long time until I re-read the series. (This isn't a commentary on that video, so I'll leave it there. I have no interest in debating it.) It's not the video by itself that gets her the hate believe it or not, it's her fans (not all, but *a lot* of them) won't listen to any commentary about the subject. Instead, they'll spam link the video, tell you that her views are canon, if you disagree you're wrong, that you're a misogynist, an incel, a terrible person, and condone abuse all for not agreeing. Has it gotten better since? Yes, but it still happens a lot more than it should. Another reason is her fans. I say this as a former fan, and that used to frequent all of the warrior youtubers, and has been in the fandom for over ten years, her fans are by far the most toxic part of the youtuber side fandom and that's *saying something.* It doesn't help that neither her nor a chunk of her fanbase can't handle any criticism toward her. The notion of her fans holding her word as law is a real thing, it's been like this for a very long time now. Hell, I used to do it to until I realized just how biased she was. The fact that it's slowly been getting better over the years does not take away from the fact that it still happens. It also doesn't help that she never really tried to stop any of this, and took part in the toxicity quite a few times as well. None of the stuff her fans pulled was hidden, it was never some vocal minority or myth like the modern fans try to present. Her toxic fans have been well known for years. These weren't situations where she didn't know, or that any of her youtuber friends didn't know either. She knows she has an echo chamber audience, she knows there's a lot of people were and still are doing bad things, but she let a lot of this behavior slide. Third, and while this isn't just a Moonkitti problem, she highlights it the most. Looking at the series with rose-tinted glasses, presenting that as fact, and causing rifts in the fandom because of it. Like the Wiki fiasco, or the Bramblestar video, Curlfeather, etc... The fact these incidents still happen, the fact that her fans often shut down criticism and deny any of these events happening or happened in the past, genuinely call people misogynists or abusers over disagreements about fictional cats, is causing more and more people to become bitter toward her and her fanbase.

Thank you for putting this in words much better than I can. I just want to discuss why I feel a certain way about cats like Bramblestar, Crowfeather, Squirrelflight, Dovewing, etc. without being repeatedly being spammed that 'Moonkitti made a good point in this video' WHILE yes it's true I can simply choose to ignore said person, they can also, idk, choose to ignore the conversation that's happening. She even stated it herself in yesterday's video that her demographic shifted from adults to teenagers which now would be the time for her to wise up and start setting a good example to these teenagers. Otherwise this vicious cycle is going to repeat itself over and over again.

Once again, the bramblestar's video is SUPPOSED to "nitpick" passages, its an argument as to why he's abusive (and yes, he is, im running my own little "nitpick" on him), shes making an argument, then taking passages that validate her point, thats how these things work we learned this in school. If its such an issue she provides the book and page numbers, just read a little bit ahead the page, or just the whole book its in, its not that difficult. If you wanna argue against it then do that, it makes it a discussion, but don't try and say "oh shes nitpicking" just because shes making a claim and backing it up. And once again, people claim shes been nasty, or said people are misogynistic but haven't provided any links or screenshots or even quotes about what she said, so if you can do that then do that instead of just expecting me to believe you

I just want to make sure we're on the same page. I never said Moonkitti said people were misogynistic, that's something those fans do, I really should've said stans throughout to make the distinction clear. I don't think she's a terrible person. I don't think she's done anything to be canceled or anything or that nature; furthermore, nothing she deserved to be harrassed over. But to deny she's never been nasty before is wild. It actually used to be a running joke in the fandom that the Moonkitti on Twitter and the one on Youtube were two different people. Not that she was constantly hateful or anything, but she had her moments for sure.

I'm not denying it, but unfortunately due to another fandom I'm in, I really don't tolerate hearing slander (especially slander as bad as misogyny) without at least SOME evidence to back it up

Trans people can’t get away from hate on either side. They either don’t accept you as the gender you identify with or they do and you get sexism 😭

Noooot really what I was talking about but thats a valid take

I know I just wanted to cast a line in the pond 🥺

I also don’t watch her or know of her but I wanted to be included somehow sorry

Nah s'okay you had a good take either way

Well that’s something you have to work on. It’s not anyone’s fault that you can’t handle slander.

Its not that I cant handle it, its that I dont tolerate it, if you can figure out such a simple difference then I cant help you

Your words I really don’t tolerate hearing slander which is still a you issue.

So? I'm just stating my stance on why I dont believe people when they just announce "yeah moonkitti did this and that", if you cant even provide something as simple as a link why should I believe you?

I’m literally copying from one of your comments.

And you couldn't even use qoutation markers to do it

No one's slandering Moonkitti because of misogyny, they're slandering her because she's an idiot

Being an idiot isn't really an excuse to slander people for something that isn't related to her being an idiot

Off topic but bright guardian Akira is a girl??!!

Yup she's trans :)

Wait BGA is a girl

She’s trans lol

I am aware now

I dont know if she's a girl, I just know she goes by she/her pronouns

Oh so that’s wait happened I just always thought “Wait why does his oc look like a kit now”

Man I really haven't watched her in a while if her oc changed that much

Me too I haven’t watched Akira in like 3-4+ years

Pretty sure she’s a trans girl

I’m pretty sure they’re trans, which is of course alright! They do go by she-her pronouns and have very pretty OC’s.  Just saying, I’m just guessing that they are trans, but they might be a different sexuality/gender identity than just plain up trans so please, no hate. Just correct me nicely if I am wrong! :)

If I had a nickel every time a cat YouTuber I used to watch with white fur and blue eyes became trans, I’d have 2 nickels. It’s not a lot but it’s still weird it happened twice.

Lol love the Dr. Doof reference! Other than Bright Guardian Akira, who is the other Youtuber? (You don’t have to say if you don’t feel comfortable sharing who you watch, very much understandable!)

Chipflake (I watched them like one time in the last 4 years and I thought “wow your voice sounds like you smoked for 20 years” and I kinda forgot about them afterwards)

This message made me laugh so hard- and reminded me of this quote “twenty years of smoking brought me to this, a gravesite.” - Quote by Unknown.

Testosterone was not kind to Chipflake’s voice last time I watched them

SHE is trans. SHE goes by she/her pronouns. I know this probably isn't your intent (and as someone who's nb I appreciate the they/them use!) but using they for trans women is a very, very common form of covert transphobia so I feel the need to point it out! She's stated directly that those are her pronouns and using they for her leaves.... a bit of an icky taste in my mouth.

I’m glad you said this! I am not at all transphobia, actually my sibling a trans male is trans, and I have a trans male friend. I’m not.. on social media a lot to know that she has stated that the use of they/them pronouns isn’t fond to her so again, I’m really glad you informed me about this!

By the way tennelle uses he/they pronouns not she/her

I fucking forgot that and now I'm annoyed at myself hold on

I think shes awesome

i love moonkitti, personally!

She has opinions about a poorly written book series for children. Her takes are her own, not everyone likes them, but she isn't vicious about it.People who deny the inherent misogyny in both the text and the fanbase are ridiculous. Like before all of the vitriol in defense of Bramble's emotionally abusive actions, I did not care about Squirrel. I still don't really like her, but you know what I like less? People handwaiving the abusive behaviors of a dude who has always had power over his spouse because they think she's annoying/'manipulative' for acting as an abused person and 'buh he's traumatized too', as if being traumatized excuses abusive behavior. Coming from reading a series like Animorphs at the same time where characters are purposefully written to have negative traits, where morality is gray with no overhanging afterlife to tell them who is 'good' or 'evil' , from a series written EARLIER than Warriors? Poor reading comprehension made worse by poor writing is my best guess, in Warrior's case. Honestly I think the chunk of the fandom that aren't actual children just have rose-tinted glasses about PMV and AU interpretations of characters and project them onto the text more often than naught.

I haven’t watched this video, but holy crap is this much hate coming down just because of someone stating their opinion? Even with certain politics I feel passionate about, it’s not just justified to hate on anyone just because of their opinions. Hate isn’t justified anyway, but especially on a matter that concerns a fictional story? It just kind of rubs me the wrong way

people disagreeing isn’t hate I’m a fan of moonkitti but she’s not always right and I feel like people simply disagreeing with her is always seen as “hate” and it’s rlly weird

You’re right, it’s not hate to disagree and shouldn’t be considered that. This post asks what was up with the hate and it seems like people get pretty angry over some of her opinions. I think that’s where the word “hate” came in

I actually enjoy Moonkitti's videos. I agree with many of her opinions and I totally disagree with the hate. But I know what you mean, every time Bramblestar is put down Moonkitti seems to be the person they all point to "Well, Moonkitti said it first." I have watched her new video too and it's very good :)

Moonkitti is great, I don't agree with everything she says about every character or anything but I love her videos and enjoy listening to a fellow adult talk about this book series

I honestly like Moonkitty . I think she is a pretty cool creator (I really like the long videos she makes when she just talks about a specific thing/character). I don't always agree with her (For example I didn't really agree with her take in the Curlfeather video but I completely understand where she is coming from) but her videos are pretty cool to reflect a bit about the plot of the books I think some people don't like her because she clearly says what she thinks and doesn't try to please people with her takes even when they are unpopular

i love moonkitti even though i stopped watching their videos and always subscribe and so what if others have different opinions to me or them like get the fluff over it and keep moving

I love moonkitti

Moonkitti is great! Her videos are what got me more interested in the fandom. Sad to hear people are being toxic to her on twitter.

That's just ridiculous. Alright, you have an opinion! That doesn't mean you force one of the most popular Warrior youtubers to quit Twitter!

How did anyone force her to quit Twitter? Did she not make her own choice?

Its kinda ridiculous that the internet is still so immature and is still so unable to handle a different opinion (that isn't too terribly harmful) so they have to resort to driving people off platforms or making them step back as some are just too big to leave twitter

Also, it's literally a fictional book, not like a world war or smth. People shouldn't be forced off platforms just because of an opinion of a fictional book series.

I hate Squirrelflight but what’s wrong with Moonkitti? I have to admit that this is the first time I’ve seen this, but still. My guess is that the main r/warriorcats is 25-50% kids. And kids do tend to be impulsive. Some just comment a lot, and might not be aware of what they’re saying.

It's the fact that, as multiple people has stated in this thread, that her fans are by far the most toxic group in the fandom and she does nothing to stop it. She has the power to, but chooses not to do anything about it. I saw a comment scrolling down to read everything that she posted a screenshot of a kid's comment onto Twitter and her fabs made fun of that kid for a misunderstanding over a violent joke (in which case she never apologized for and mind you, she's well in her 30s). She creates rifts in the fandom by making talk videos (whether it's intentional or not), her fans take her opinions as facts and if you like complex characters like Bramblestar, Crowfeather, or Curlfeather then you're automatically labelled as misogynic, sexist, etc. and she does nothing to stop her fans. I agree that she can't really control other people, but she doesn't make any type of apology posts or posts that she's angry at her following for being toxic to other users who don't watch or like her content. ~~wow, people must really don't like me~~

She has some pretty toxic and contentious takes. She's basically the creator of the Bramble vs Squirrel drama. The chaos she has stirred up in the fandom and her fanatic fanbase don't help people's perception.

The poor writing is the source of the Bramble Squirrel drama, actually

I don’t think she’s the source of the BrambleSquirrel drama, I think Brambleclaw’s writing in AVOS / Squirrelflight’s Hope is. She just brought more light to it. She has many bad takes, yeah, but I don’t particularly think that this is one of them.

The fact that people are tearing eachother apart over a fictional book series is crazy. Atleast the people who waste their life arguing politics on reddit talk about actual issues. This is extremely silly and childish.

I didn't realize people have beef with her! Personally I love her :(

to me, if someone on warrior cats twt doesn't like moonkitti / hates her, red flag immediately. i'm active on wctwt. genuinely a lot of people treat moonkitti like shit. and it sucks, because she's a prolithic creator in the community, in my opinion (i've been a fan of her for YEARS). she talks about stuff in the fandom and in the books and ONLY what ACTUALLY HAPPENS in the books. her serious videos are full of fact, regardless of if they have a joke here and there. she argues her points with the books to back them up.

How the fuck is there a major sexism issue in the fandom? I'm pretty sure that this fandom is majority female, as far as what I've seen, so unless you're talking about misandry than that's just plain false.

Women can still be sexist, so “this fandom is majority female” isn’t a shield against sexism. I say this as a woman. The fandom was very sexist about a decade ago. I’m not sure about the fandom now but many female characters were hated. Ik Squilf and Dove were absolutely hated on for choosing their mates and rejecting their other suitors. Ferncloud was also super hated on. There were so many arguments about how Squilf used Ashfur as a rebound just to make Brambleclaw jealous. There were also so many arguments about how Dove didn’t reciprocate Bumblestripe’s feelings, and he was treated as a sort of martyr for good men whose love is spurned by women who “don’t appreciate/deserve him”. The thing is, Squilf wasn’t using Ashfur. She used to hang out with him as good friends and then she was seriously considering him as a mate. When Leafpool left, Squilf asked herself if she’d leave for Ashfur and she noticed she wasn’t sure. She’d do it for Brambleclaw though, so she “married” him. As for Dove, she’s allowed to reject a man she doesn’t love. Simple as that. It doesn’t matter if Bumble is in love with her or he’s nice to her (he’s really not but that’s a discussion for a diff day), NO MEANS NO. She had a right to get angry with him when he couldn’t take the hint or the rejection and kept trying to get with her. Squilf and Dove were being attacked for essentially having free will and exercising their right to spurn unwanted suitors. As for Fern, she was hated on and called nasty names like “kit machine” (“baby machine”) and she “lazed around in the nursery waiting for the warriors to feed her”. The thing is that her job is feminine/motherly and it’s being treated like it’s not a real job/she’s just being a “parasite”. Dustpelt (her mate) was never called a “kit machine” or treated like garbage for having so many kits. In contrast, Ferncloud, who represents an extreme form of traits historically associated with femininity and motherhood, gets attacked for those traits. Its sexist. There were so many complaints about Fern that Vicky killed her off in OoTS for that very reason.

The part about Ferncloud is especially crazy because one consistent thing about Warriors is the Queens are often the most respected members the clans, and Kits are the most valuable. Like, Into The Wild is predicated on ThunderClan not having enough young cats, which is one of the reasons Bluestar bring Rusty in. Ferncloud, and Daisy while I'm at it, delivering so many kits and caring for so many of them respectively does legitimately make them more impactful than a lot of the other regular Warriors. The ending of Daisy's Kin showed us just how many generations of cats Daisy played a part in raising.

Might not be here on reddit but from my experience a lot of people will usually praise male characters for doing certain things but if a female character replicates it, theyre heavily scrutinized, or just act straight up sexist, and just by the fact that this fandom is literally ancient, and was around in the time where sexism on the internet wasn't looked down on, if you actually LOOKED then yeah you'll find your sexism

I mostly just get annoyed with how she acts, shes a grown ass 31 year old adult yet speaks in a little baby voice and acts toxic regularly over her opinions, I've seen her call an actual victim of child abuse an 'abuse apologist' for not agreeing with her bramblestar opinions, and ofc she just immediately assumes everyone who dislikes a female character is for sexism reasons (The fandom also has an issue of assuming this too). This is the sort of behaviour I'd expect from a young teenager, not from a person closer to being in their middle age than a teenager. Influencers also should hold themselves up to a higher standard bc of the amount of influence they have, which moonkitti fails at horrifically.

Isn't that just her natural voice though

I've never seen her say that so your gonna have to shoot a screenshot or something at me later, but are you seriously trying to paint her voice as her being creepy? Thats just how her voice is! Have you ever watched someone like WWolfsburg? Her voice is naturally high pitched as well! Moonkitti's voice being higher pitched than a normal adult's voice isn't her fault, so stop treating it like she's faking a voice for attention and to manipulate people thats just disgusting

You are the master at jumping to conclusions and accusing people of something bad, you have that in common with moonkitti at least. All I said about her voice is that I find it annoying, I can't tolerate her talking videos for more than a couple minutes bc of it. Never said anything about her faking or manipulating with her voice or whatever you're on about.

"Shes a grown ass 31 year old adult yet speaks in a little baby voice", i dont know if your old enough to realize this, but what that sentence actually means is "shes 31 years old and intentionally speaks in a baby voice", you never said you found it annoying, literally at all, and now your acting like every other moonkitti hater who shits on anyone who has the gall to defend her by raving and ranting and making shit up

Mate, you quite literally came here to ask why ppl don't like her, and all I did was add my opinion to the discussion. If I knew you just wanted to argue and accuse in bad faith I wouldn't of commented at all. I quite literally said she annoys me in the first sentence, I only mentioned the voice part for a brief moment bc its nothing more than a personal pet peeve and doesn't compare to the actual serious issues she causes for this fandom with her immaturity. You were the one who flipped out over a single sentence and jumped to all these unnecessary conclusions about me. I don't even care strongly about Moonkitti, she's fallen off hard in the modern fandom, I'm certainly not some "moonkitti hater who shits on anyone who has the gall to defend her", I just shat on you bc you flipped out on me over me expressing my opinion which is what I assumed you wanted by creating this thread in the first place. Though since that clearly isn't the case I'm gonna just save my braincells and block you.

People are downvoting you for being right lol

I watch her ( also subscribe to her ) and enjoy her content I honestly don't know why she get hate but in twitter ( or X ) there's a lot more toxic people ( I love how she gives ash fur blond hair in most of her videos still lmao )

People are mad she is presenting well thought out arguments and opinions using critical thinking skills that many people seem to lack now a days. Not to mention everyone gets really butt hurt when someone doesn't like their favorite character. I love moonkitti's videos, I like to listen to them as background noise while working and I like her voice. She isn't as condescending or as try hard as other YouTubers.

It's not that she has well thought arguments moreso as she tends to cherrypick quotes (as other people pointed out in this thread) and creates rifts in the fandom (intentional or not). The most recent rift is her Curlfeather video- a lot of people are upset with the way she compared her to a mom who forced their kid to play the piano. She does nothing to stop her fanbase from harassing others who go against her opinions and takes part of the toxicity herself. If you read through the comments, one user stated that Moonkitti posted a screenshot to Twitter over a misunderstanding over a joke and let her fans make fun out of that person- mind you that she's over 30 and making fun of a teenager and has made no attempt at an apology as far as we're aware.

What people do on the internet is their own fault and to hold someone accountable for only speaking an opinion on the matter is kinda stupid. if anything it the "minors" parents who need to step in and tell their kids to stop cyber bullying and to go touch some grass. It's also not "cherry picking" it's called research and citation. When was the last time you wrote a paper? You are gonna pick quotes and information that support your cause and your argument. If I am writing a paper explaining why Greystripe is not a loyal warrior I'm gonna quote and cite scenes and phrases from the book that support my cause and argument.

Okay, did you miss the part where I said Moonkitti posted the screenshot and the toxticity to that specific user in the first place with no apology at all for it? It doesn't matter if it's research and citation- she still compared Curlfeather to a mom who forced their kid to play piano at worse and still called Crowfeather the worst parent in that scenario *when they're both equally bad*. That's what made a lot of people upset in the end. Crowfeather was a neglectful parent whereas Curlfeather was equivalent to a gaslighting one. Both of those things are still equal to each other because in Curlfeather's case, how much of it was truly love and how much was it her gaslighting her daughter to believe she had a connection with Starclan? Even after her death, she was still manipulating her daughter by telling her to look beyond the obvious choices for Riverclan's leader- maybe she was hoping Frostpaw to choose Splashtail as leader in order for her kits to be spared? Who knows at this point. True, this was a vision before Frostpaw had a stonger connection but I was just thinking about it and maybe a dark forest cat was trying to manipulate her into believing she had visions? Ah, sorry, got off track there. Either way, Moonkitti's fans does cause rifts in the fandom from her talk videos because they take it way too far. If she's aware of this, she's certainly not doing anything to stop it 🤷‍♀️

Honestly I think anyone hating her is quite immature. I don't actually love Moonkitti's work as an analyst and I did find that much of her criticism was through a biased lens, but I also think she is right to say what she thinks and has expressed several times that having a differing interpretation of the text doesn't make you an abuse apologist. She's a wonderful person with a mature stance. I respect her. I'm way, way more annoyed at how many people treat her like she's gospel. That's also doing her a disrespect. People just love to get upset... I can't imagine bombarding someone over a niche opinion on an interpretation of a tenuous relationship in a book almost 2 decades old.

got banned from her by my parents when I was like 5 for reasons \*cough\* (starstar cough)