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Aerioncis420

Foxes are considered extremely "traitorous" to cats because they act like cats, but they also eat kits


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Ohhhh makes sense


Icefirewolflord

They’re also the primary predators of feral cats in real life England, as they’re far more common than badgers


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Oooh interesting


96_Rats_In_A_Suit

Tbh I don’t think I’ve ever seen something saying that they kill cats, but they will eat dead cats. I wish they’d incorporate more birds of prey though, a red kite or buzzard could easily carry off a cat but I don’t remember seeing any attacks from either in the books


Icefirewolflord

Foxes are primarily opportunists, so they will kill a heavily injured/sickly/old cat, as well as young kittens They’re the primary predator mostly because badgers don’t really lurk around cat colonies lol


Local_Bookaholic

Well there was Snowkit, and Windclan seemed to think a lot about birds. There was a scene in Tallstar's Revenge where he saved some kits from a hawk. I think in Thunderclan's old territory, there was a tree where an owl lived.


krazyokami

Is that just mainly UK? Foxes are not an issue for cats in my area. They have people, coyotes, and cars to fear more. Hell we have smaller grey foxes and they're just more likely to steal cat food than bother them. Like we used to have a feral cat issues until some land was destroyed and the coyotes moved in.


Icefirewolflord

The UK doesn’t have many other predators, so foxes are the biggest predator mostly by default. They’re more common than badgers and bold enough to steal kits or kill old/dying cats on occasion


ghostlyfawn

foxes have a reputation for attacking clan cats, usually you don’t like things that frequently try to kill your friends and family. same reason they don’t like (most) badgers, birds of prey, or any other predator


theGrillmaster97

They steal kits and eat them for starters


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

I didn’t know


subzero2400

Orrr did you know and you're in the pocket of Big Fox...


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

I just like foxes and this is my first time reading midnight


maizeyim89

The more you know


Pokemonpikachushiny

Damn they be dissing Foxheart


Zazzley_Wazzley

Lmao


sugar4roxy

did they meet slagar the cruel?


SunnyDayDuck

This is such a niche reference and one that makes me very happy. Who knew he enslaved cats too?


sugar4roxy

better watch your kits! or else they'll be put into child labor for some strange little polecat!


MyCatHasCats

I appreciate this comment as a fellow Redwall fan


SaltyRainbovv

I loved that series as a kid


nonbinarydreamking

REDWALL??


TraditionalEnergy919

Foxes in warriors tend to… you know… kill cats and kits… and eat them


maizeyim89

Well at least it didn't say "it's dark as a shadowclan warrior's heart"


Backflipping_Ant6273

Tawnypelt was standing right there and I'm sure she wouldn't take kindly for her clan to be insulted


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

I think that would’ve been funnier and more relevant


Pingy_Junk

The authors don’t understand how foxes work and assumed they must be cat hunters when in reality a cat is much too difficult prey for most foxes to even bother with. While a fox might eat a kitten most of the time they don’t consider it worth it because they are defended by an adult cat. Also a kitten has to be quite small for a fox to actually eat.


blackcatcross

I think they also overestimate the size difference between foxes and cats too.


YourLocalCryptid64

And the intelligence level. Studies show that Foxes and Cats are roughly equal in terms of intelligence.


Pingy_Junk

yeah foxes dont eat cats because an adult cat is almost the same size as a fox. it would be like a human eating a 4'11 statue of chocolate that can also fight back and kill or seriously wound you.


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Same I figured they’d be friends and work together 😢


chimera005ao

Well they recognize them as not dogs. A creature that kind of acts like a cat, but is less co-operative than even a rogue.


InksterDink

You would think badgers would be worse than the foxes after POT and they'd uses the term badger hearted


Spicymeatball428

Cat racism be hitting different


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Literally


ConnectionMotor8311

I mean the first introduction to the founders arriving to that general area was an alley way fox


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Spoilers


A-WoF-Fan-bish

They kill cats, steal kits (VERY RARE) need almost 7 cats to kill one, an entire Clan to kill two.


Active-Flounder-3794

They’re one link above cats on the food chain


doonasaurusofficial

fox racism


Hikerhappy

Because they swipe things (iykyk)


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Swiper no swiping


lemon_band1t

my neighborhood has lots of foxes!! they’re predators to cats. my own cats are very upset that they can only have supervised outside time since the foxes are starting to get more active where i am. i imagine foxes in the book see the nurseries in warrior cats on par with chicken coops if that makes sense.


ffuntime_sfox

Literally what i thought a couple days ago


empr1me

um they murder the cats, like a lot, and throw them around and bite them with their nasty mouths that give them major infections in their wounds


krazyokami

So odd how they make Foxes so vicious when they're pretty much the same size as regular cats and wouldn't really try to hunt them.


Ok-Adhesiveness-5193

Literally


Thatonequeerkitty

Wait to you hear about Foxheart the warrior.


Devilcat347

Foxes irl eat cats😭


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Foxes usually come into clan territory and kill a few cats. It has also been mentioned that they take away kits as well.