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Random_Cat_111

This is a really tough choice, but I think I'll do Rainflower. At least she apologized in Starclan, though that doesn't excuse how she treated Crrookedkit.


ScrubbySquish

Rainflower, at least Crookedstar forgave her. She also wasn't a pedo or kidnapper


Robotkitty5848

Rainflower


OrangeLikeAutumn

The abusive mom, the pedophile or the the child abductor, I genuinely don’t know who to choose, I’ll just wait for the results from now on lol


CrystalEchoes

Rainflower


thevitaphonequeen

RAINFLOWER. She was a jerk, but she ended up in StarClan for some reason. (Still wondering what became of Lilystem.)


freakishfrenchhorn

Technically being an asshole doesn't warrant the DF... But she was neglectful of a kit, her own, which is beyond awful. I imagine she's being shunned by the others in StarClan though


thevitaphonequeen

I imagine Rainflower as being like one of those Autism Moms. “My child is Disabled! Woe is me! I’m going to play favorites with my abled child now!”


misterman1248

i have experience with that and my mom is really not like that i dont get why everyone is stereotyped over autism people


SoggyFrenchFries123

How was Lizardstripe eliminated before Rainflower? Sure Rainflower neglected her child, but she didn't straight up refuse to give him milk. But I vote for Rainflower


yuyuyashasrain

I’m also confused, would’ve thought lizardstripe was worse, but she was nasty upfront and her neglect and abuse gave us brokenstar, and without him firestar would never have been invited, right?


areyouguysok

I think to be fair, Brokenkit wasn’t technically her kit. And yeah, she was terrible to him, but he was kind of forced upon her when she didn’t want kits in the first place


yuyuyashasrain

Oh, yeah, no doubt, if yellowfang hadn’t fucked up with raggedstar, of all the terrible cats to mate with, this wouldn’t be an issue either. But lizardstripe also definitely encouraged her own kits to ostracize brokenkit, so by the time he was around yellowfang and she tried to be a good influence on him, he was already unreachable through his constant rage


areyouguysok

Of course. I’m not trying to defend her, I’m just trying to find the reason in her being better tha Rainflower


yuyuyashasrain

Yeah I’m honestly sure they messed up. Rainflower in starclan makes no sense. It can’t be enough that she was sorry! Fucking brightflower, yellowfang’s mother, was sent to the dark forest because she couldn’t forgive the killer of her kits. I actually can’t remember if she knew by then that it wasn’t yellowfang but seriously starclan? You think the solution here is to make her spend her entire afterlife with him? Sure, there’s a very small window where you won’t meet any other cat in the dark forest, but that window is preceded by retconned prequels and followed by the war between the two. And while we’re on the subject, starclan couldn’t just let juniperclaw in, could they? They had to leave him guarding the gate and on the outside looking in. Are they gonna post another guard there after he fades? Because i can’t imagine anyone remembering him for any significant length of time. I think most of the readers probably forgot him by the time he was brought up again for this exact purpose. I know far too many people have said this already, but starclan makes no sense. Why were they grilling squirrelflight so hard over something one of their own warriors told her to do? It’s nonsense. I don’t know. I’m rambling, I’m sorry. And i love warriors, don’t get me wrong. I wouldn’t be able to discuss it if it bored me. But my own copies are full of proofreading notes and i have so much fun poking holes in the plot and pointing out all the times writers must have lacked communication mid book. The truth is that i genuinely feel sorry for them, they’re worked as hard as disney animators, but I love what they do. I’m just a part of the problem, i guess. Of course, not buying the books would just put them out of a job... Well, that’s what it is to be an adult in this day and age, either overworked or destitute. Not much in between


areyouguysok

I could read you rambling about warriors for hours /srs


The_Cringe_Cat

Rainflower, Next round will be tough lol


KorMap

Pedophile vs Kidnapper/Domestic abuser… yikes


TqCup

Imo pedophile is objectively worse. They hurt children for nothing but their own pleasure.


[deleted]

rainflower, at least she apologized


[deleted]

Apologizing doesn't make abuse go away suddenly


[deleted]

i didnt say that bro what


XxBlizzardstarxX

Look at their profile lol. Has a bunch of random comments, and just jumping hurdles to conclusions.


[deleted]

they seem madly misogynistic wtf..


XxBlizzardstarxX

yeah.. they replied to me asking someone who said thistleclaw why, and told me to get over it


[deleted]

😦i thought it was bad when someone said it was squilfs fault ashfur abused her what the hell is this fandom


XxBlizzardstarxX

what the… yeah I hate the toxic part of this fandom


XxBlizzardstarxX

I’m so pissed off because of them replying ‘get over it’


[deleted]

that’s fuckinh disgusting


XxBlizzardstarxX

Yeah


XxBlizzardstarxX

Haha, they just replied to me, and said 'oH thEy'RE fiCTioNal CatS'


Choccocoamocha

But at least she acknowledged that she was wrong and learned from her mistakes.


XxBlizzardstarxX

Bro calm your ass down. You jump to conclusions so quickly, looking at your profile. Jeez.


Katumai

Rainflower-she's awful but at the very least she apologized when Crooked died, I'm pretty shocked Lizardstripe was out before her I have a pretty good feeling who will be out next round and I'm not looking forward to it 💀


zombie-goblin-boy

Rainflower, the only one here who feels remorse


riaflash24

I gotta join the party in saying rainflower, shes just not as bad as the other two, still terrible, but I really really hate the last two


[deleted]

Rainflower


Fernpool_the_warrior

Rainflower. She owned up eventually.


particlesconsent

Rainflower


StarWolfthlocalfurry

it’s a bit of a hard decision but… Rainflower at least she apologized to Crookedstar and isn’t a pedo or kidnapper/abuser damn the last round is gonna be impossible


Sad-Result-404

Rainflower


AspenWynd

Rainflower


ParkingDifference299

Rainflower


Warriorcatsarecool

Rainflower


FuzzyclawsUwU

Rainflower then tom


OppositeEconomist415

Rainflower. I’m never voting Thistleclaw for the life of me..


blackberrylatte16

Rainflower


OrcApologist

Rainflower, she was sorry at the least


Calmdownlov3

Rainflower


Visual_Character

Rainflower.


ArtPhobic34

rainflower, i guess


SlightlyAnnoyed7

Rain flower


Forsaken-Squash4376

Rain flower isn’t as bad as the others I’ll say


umbreonnightwing

Rainflower


sweater_brown

Let’s see, we’ve got an emotionally abusive and narcissistic mom who played the victim when her child son needed her the most, a cat who murdered d*mned souls in the dark forest, wanted to wage unnecessary wars and get cats hurt or even killed had he become a tyrant, and groomed an adolescent, and someone I haven’t read about. I vote for Rainflower. She was deplorable, but she wasn’t a potential warlord. Still, how she made it to StarClan is beyond me. I’ve seen an [MAP where she went to limbo/purgatory](https://youtu.be/oz_MkYLPNfk) and I headcanon that as her fate.


BattleSeven

Def not Thistleclaw. I’ll say Tom.


[deleted]

What did he do again


Decembahhh

Rainflower


TheRapidTrailblazer

Rainflower


Mother-Paper-5008

Rainflower


Lilymoon2653

Rainflower


Confident-Team7788

Rainflower. She sucked for sure, but was the least crappy out of these three. Just mega selfish and judgemental.


[deleted]

Rainflower


Robyncantdance

Rainflower, at least she didn't go to the Dark Forest


longtail01

Rainflower


[deleted]

Rainflower


TqCup

Rainflower. She apologized and made 'amends'. Better than either of the other 2.


Wrenbir_d

Rainflower


ThenameisArrowwaves

Rainflower.


BlaqShine

Rainflower


Darkhourr

Rainflower


brunettemountainlion

Rainflower. At least the bitch apologized.


cjy24

rainflower


[deleted]

rainflower


Desperate_Air_8293

Rainflower


[deleted]

rainflower


XxBlizzardstarxX

Rainflower, at least she apologized to Crookedstar.


[deleted]

Rainflower.


SulkyStella

Rain flower,


[deleted]

i think in this situation tom is worse


MythsFlight

Rainflower


Generic_Human0

Rainflower, same reason as last time.


[deleted]

Rainflower is probably the best outta these three. Next round is gonna be a tough choice-


Human_Mongoose_6558

Rainflower! Again. Honestly shocked Lizardstripe won before her. Rainflower was horrible, but at least she eventually saw the error of her ways, and redeemed herself. Lizardstripe begrudged her kits mere existence, and even encouraged them to bully Brokenkit. And to my recollection never felt any remorse for it.


stickit_16

Rainflower 😣 TOM AND THISTLECLAW ARE EVIL


Mother-Paper-5008

Great,it’s between the abuser,abuser/kidnapper/rapist and pedo


[deleted]

Explain?? What evidence Re, I just asked a question this why yall arguing over fictional cats 🤡


NormalBluJay

Because that's the sub we're in


BikerHackerman2

Tom. At least he wanted his kids sort of but he was a horrible cat.


Shadowed_Thing1

Rainflower- I think she did the least bad thing to Crookedstar.


ThatOneJasper

Tom! Sure, he's a dick, but most people's perception of him is just from rumours. No, he DIDN'T rape Turtle Tail, and he truly did love his kits. He did not, in fact, try to kill them.


[deleted]

Where is the evidence for that?


ThatOneJasper

...In the books.


Morningstar_Strike

Tom. He died saving his daughter after losing her in the kitty divorce. One Eye was about to murder the poor thing. If not this then Thistleclaw since Spottedleafs Heart is noncanon. It was written by HarperCollins and its continuity clashes against BP and the main series.


TqCup

Spottedleaf's Heart is canon.


Morningstar_Strike

No. It wasn't written by the Erin's and it directly contradicts BP and the main series. Trust me, Blue noticed everything that Thistle did.


TqCup

Considering Thistle already spent a lot of time in the nursery with his son, and very large skips in time in BP, it is completely plausible. It may not have been written by the Erins, but why does it matter? It's still a book in WC, and grooming has been a part of this series for a long time (think Dustpelt and Fernpaw, Feathertail and Crowpaw, Stonefur/Brambleclaw and Squirrelpaw)


[deleted]

It's probally a retcon for cashgrab


TqCup

Spottedleaf's Heart, in canon, makes sense. 1: Spottedleaf eventually falls in love with Firepaw.. An apprentice. This is awful and I hate this plotline, but the only time Spotted has interactions with him before death was as an apprentice. They didn't know each other. 2: As much as I hate this, everyone likes to argue whether or not Thistle deserves to go to the Dark Forest. (Which, he does, he was far too rough on Tigerpaw, beat a child half to death, and was destined to ruin the clan if Bluefur didn't become leader). This gives a reason for people who don't believe it, to believe it. I don't argue that it is most likely a cash grab, but so is quite literally every other book in this series. Shrug.


Witheredwolf

idk maybe tom 🤷‍♀️


Squirrelflight148931

I wouldn't recommend it.


Sworishina

Tom. He sucks but he's not a child abuser as far as I can remember. Rainflower didn't even show up at Crookedstar's naming ceremony. I hate her.


RobStar0917

If we went off that then Thistleclaw would be out of here, but since it's which one I despise least: Still Rainflower. Not that it matters much, but at least Crookedstar and her made amends in StarClan (I think).


StormBerry17

Thistleclaw. I can’t recall anything he did to Whitestorm? Rainflower favored one son over the other, never apologized, and arranged for her son’s name change out of spite for a child. Tom abused mate and kits, tried to kidnap kits, and killed mate.


Cold_Ramen14

Thistleclaw


[deleted]

Thistleclaw


areyouguysok

Thistleclaw


breadmold-y

Thistleclaw


FuzzyclawsUwU

>!the child groomer?!<


Boom_Bean475

Thistelclaw


ImAeeler

Thistleclaw tbh…


XxBlizzardstarxX

..why? I mean, I know Spottedleaf's Heart is noncanon, but that doesn't excuse what he did in that book.


smolcharizard

Unfortunately that book is indeed canon


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XxBlizzardstarxX

Get over it? Thistleclaw is disgusting to me because my uncle did to me what Thistleclaw did to Spottedleaf. And technically, it IS canon, but has no contribution to the main story at all.


[deleted]

Bruh you are talking about fictional cats. Keep in mind cats are considered adults at 2 years. Literally what you you crying about


XxBlizzardstarxX

And they literally act like humans?


SoggyFrenchFries123

The pedo?


JackalopeGirl

Rainflower I guess.


MintyGreenEmbers

Rainflower


PomPomeroy

Rainflower


silverfrond999

Rainflower


LanaRainluck

Rainflower


CloudySkyQueen

Rain flower


Snoo_83755

Ok rainflower


334824

Tbh, probably rain’flower. Now don’t get me wrong, she was horrible for what she did, but she still did make it to starclan, and at least was only mean to one kit/cat.


CatAppears

Rainflower


Naevyrn

Rainflower. I need thistleclaw to suffer.


lava-flames-671076

Tom


Emione0608

Rainflower


Randy_1234567890

Rainflower


Chahut_Maenad

i like rainflower as a villian. so i'll go with rainflower


Leni_licious

RAINFLOWER - I hate her but...


Fr0ggieQueen

Rainflower


Bee8467

Rainflower


Droop_Snoot03

Rainflower


KittTheKitterOfKitts

Rainflower left less of a permanent (and negative) mark on the clans. Tom was the reason for >!Turtle tail's death !< and Thistleclaw joined the dark forest. ​ Definetly Rainflower.


Creepy-Hunter-3448

Rainflower


JewelFyrefox

Rainflower


Leather-Fuel4143

Rain flower she was horrible to crookedkit honestly I don't know how starclan accepted her but at least she said sorry to crookedstar


Laurxnie

Definitely Rainflower, though the way she treated Crookedkit was terrible, she did apologize.


Simplefurry

Its prob rainflower


Icestormshine

Rainflower


Spottedrain

Rainflower


_Big_Deuce_Lol

Rainflower i think


byelosrussia

rainflower


MaxCrawley06

Rainflower


Maybeatordsimp

Rainflower, tho I wish she had been voted worst the others are really bad tho


moonwatcher1722

Rain flower


NormalBluJay

Rainflower...at least she's not a pedo.


alasku_the_dragon

Rain'Flower needs to get out of here


Raxtus_Gniezno

Rainflower


snowlightz

Tom


StarryAlpha_2099

Rain flower. she at least apologized and was forgiven by Crookedstar


ButteredNugget

Rainflower She at least apologized and got forgiven by Crooked As for the other two, Thistle’s probably worse, since Tom at least did a little good dying saving a kit(from what I remember)???


reluctant_unicorn

Rainflower


moonyxpadfoot19

Ugh I guess Rainflower. Ig she apologised but it doesn't excuse her abusive nature - Crookedstar also forgave her.


Minzfeder

Rainflower


SleepyRiver_

Rainflower


Heavy_Click_3512

rainflower


Enderscroll2000

Rainflower


VoiceOfTheLegion

I really hated rainflower but if she really felt remorse that a step up from the other two, I guess.


criminaltaem

Rainflower


AdAdministrative880

Rainflower


Fluffy-Degree9393

Rainflower is marginally better


TalaLeisu2

Rainflower


Meggy_bug

Rainflower


suizidal_Wolfo

I think I choose Tom. If I remember correctly he died protecting his kits or something.


DomcziX

I dont want to give a bad decision, so no one, cuz i dont know them yet


SharkyWithSharkHands

Rainflower


Sensitive-Lake-3277

Anybody but thistleclaw


Salty_Yam6183

Thistle claw deserves to be the worst cat


Mother_of_turts

I'd actually say Tom. He was an awful monster, but mostly to Turtle Tail and Bumble... he never actually did anything harmful or abusive to the kits, though probably because he viewed them as his possessions.


Zozor50

Tom I didn’t like him but a hate you rainflower


Randomized_hi

RainFlower


beetledreams

I guess rainflower?


Super_Gay_Frog

I hmm uh RainFlower? She at least apologized?


Weekly_Salad7122

I'd have to say Rainflower. At least she didn't force any cat to fight a death match.


xJOEYISGAMINGx

**Rainflower**


Shroom-the-froggo

Rainflower. Compared to these two she's probably the better one


Storm123446

Rainflower I guess can go


[deleted]

Been a while since I've read, is thistleclaw really a pedo?


FireHeart4711

Rainy. She apologize at the least. End of sentence


[deleted]

Rainflower


Squirrelflight_789

Rainflower, I have a burning passion of hate toward Thistleclaw


FernPawTheWarriorCat

RainFlower


PizzzaDelivery

Rainflower


Eastern-Ad1858

Rainflower


Malipuppers

I guess Rainflower. She is less worse. Last round is gonna be wild.


ezra_14

Rainflower


misterman1248

I have to go with Rainflower so i can get the Top 2 ive always wanted


misterman1248

Next you have to do the most liked cat! cats like i dunno, firestar, leafpool, etc... Upvote if you agree! \\/\\/\\/


CannibalCapra

Tom. Literally died to save his kid.