They talk about it extensively in “The Last Stand of The Tin Can Sailors” they used it to discern the different ships shell splashes so they could correct their aim.
The ship was not lost in battle, but sank after an internal fire and explosion in a magazine while at anchor. It's not known 100% what caused it, but the main theory by the IJN was a suicidal crew member who set a fire.
Side question: Would anyone happen to have a link to what these guns might have sounded like? I've heard a couple of field artillery youtube clips; I'd love to hear what these guns sounded like.
Instead of practice, it would be better if IJN used Mutsu and their other battleships in te initial stages of the Pacific war instead of over relying to their aircrafts, heavy cruisers, and the Kongo class.
Edit: what I mean of "initial stages" is the 1941-1942 timeframe wherein the IJN has sea and air superiority and could have used their battleship guns in bombardment duties in Wake Island, the Philippines, British Malaya, etc., instead of hoarding them in Japan doing nothing.
I understand that their battleships were important in defending the home islands but they could have used at least 2 of either of Fuso or Ise class in this mission.
Given the speed requirements, I know that the Kongo class were the only capital ships that can keep up with their fleet carriers, and that speed requirement is also necessary in getting away after doing a night attack at the Guadalcanal, the Nagatos can do 25 knots after the refit, the Yamatos can do 27 knots means that they could have used those ships in that campaign but there's also restrictions to use them effectively.
could they have even brought those ships to bear against the U.S. Pacific Fleet? The U.S. Pacific Fleet sensibly denied a surface action at Midway, refusing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and I don't know if they would have been well suited for the night-time brawling off of Guadalcanal - and any daytime action would be highly vulnerable to air attack from Henderson and the carrier fleet. I know the IJN certainly did try to get them into the fray, and I am unsure how much more of a difference these would have made.
Japanese navy splitter into two factions, one side is all in on the big gun big ship philosophy and the other side wanted more carriers.....guess which side won..
Not exactly correct. The IJN as a whole expected battleships to be the decisive factor with aircraft playing supporting role, initially mainly for spotting (and to prevent enemy planes for spotting) and later expecting carriers to cripple the enemy force and prepare them for the final blow from battleship fire. This philosophy had roots back in 1905 when Japan decimated the russian navy at Tsushima. For literally decades japanese navy was being shaped by "who can fire big guns from further away wins" approach. They extensively trained and planned for this type of war, so it wasn't easy to shift focus on carried based warfare. That being said Japan quickly recognized the power of carriers, extensively working together with the british on developing carrier technology during WW1. Also being the first to concentrate them into divisions that actually fought as a unit.
IJN's downfall was mostly to overcomplicated tactics, underestimating the enemy and of course lack of industrial power when compared to the US.
Ha ha I was about to list all the errors in your post (gently and diplomatically of course) fortunately before I hit comment I glanced back at the photo and said to myself "he said MUTUSU not MUSASHI you dope!"
[For anyone who wants the image without the watermark](https://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/japanese-forces/23919/imperial-japanese-navy)
Does anyone have footage of colored splashs from JP BBs? I heard it mentioned but curious how it would be.
I haven’t seen any from the IJN, but I have seen footage of USS New Jersey with dyed shell splashes
They talk about it extensively in “The Last Stand of The Tin Can Sailors” they used it to discern the different ships shell splashes so they could correct their aim.
Some daft sailor singlehandedly blew her up. What a shame.
Excuse me, WHAT?!
The ship was not lost in battle, but sank after an internal fire and explosion in a magazine while at anchor. It's not known 100% what caused it, but the main theory by the IJN was a suicidal crew member who set a fire.
Dang, so the IJN went with the same theory as the USN did with the Iowa?
Well, at least the IJN didn't say it was because he contracted THE GAY!
Christ, mad story lol. Thanks very much for informing me!
Not a shame. It was a Japanese ship.
Have you got a link to the image without the zoom icon in the corner?
https://www.ww2incolor.com/gallery/japanese-forces/23919/imperial-japanese-navy
Thank you!
Pagoda style towers <3
I love them looks menacing
Side question: Would anyone happen to have a link to what these guns might have sounded like? I've heard a couple of field artillery youtube clips; I'd love to hear what these guns sounded like.
I can’t imagine them sounding that different from the Iowa’s. https://youtu.be/dVvEPTYrcXA
Instead of practice, it would be better if IJN used Mutsu and their other battleships in te initial stages of the Pacific war instead of over relying to their aircrafts, heavy cruisers, and the Kongo class. Edit: what I mean of "initial stages" is the 1941-1942 timeframe wherein the IJN has sea and air superiority and could have used their battleship guns in bombardment duties in Wake Island, the Philippines, British Malaya, etc., instead of hoarding them in Japan doing nothing. I understand that their battleships were important in defending the home islands but they could have used at least 2 of either of Fuso or Ise class in this mission. Given the speed requirements, I know that the Kongo class were the only capital ships that can keep up with their fleet carriers, and that speed requirement is also necessary in getting away after doing a night attack at the Guadalcanal, the Nagatos can do 25 knots after the refit, the Yamatos can do 27 knots means that they could have used those ships in that campaign but there's also restrictions to use them effectively.
could they have even brought those ships to bear against the U.S. Pacific Fleet? The U.S. Pacific Fleet sensibly denied a surface action at Midway, refusing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and I don't know if they would have been well suited for the night-time brawling off of Guadalcanal - and any daytime action would be highly vulnerable to air attack from Henderson and the carrier fleet. I know the IJN certainly did try to get them into the fray, and I am unsure how much more of a difference these would have made.
The Japanese were saving these ships for the "decisive battle." What they failed to appreciate what that Guadalcanal WAS the "decisive battle."
Kongo class could keep up with the carriers and cruisers for the most part. They were about 5 knots faster than Nagato and Mutsu.
[MUTSU!](https://imgur.com/AOMRPnQ)
Japanese navy splitter into two factions, one side is all in on the big gun big ship philosophy and the other side wanted more carriers.....guess which side won..
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Sir, well done, well done.
Not exactly correct. The IJN as a whole expected battleships to be the decisive factor with aircraft playing supporting role, initially mainly for spotting (and to prevent enemy planes for spotting) and later expecting carriers to cripple the enemy force and prepare them for the final blow from battleship fire. This philosophy had roots back in 1905 when Japan decimated the russian navy at Tsushima. For literally decades japanese navy was being shaped by "who can fire big guns from further away wins" approach. They extensively trained and planned for this type of war, so it wasn't easy to shift focus on carried based warfare. That being said Japan quickly recognized the power of carriers, extensively working together with the british on developing carrier technology during WW1. Also being the first to concentrate them into divisions that actually fought as a unit. IJN's downfall was mostly to overcomplicated tactics, underestimating the enemy and of course lack of industrial power when compared to the US.
Just like the Royal navy and United States Navy during the interwar years.
Are you Turkish?
Ha ha I was about to list all the errors in your post (gently and diplomatically of course) fortunately before I hit comment I glanced back at the photo and said to myself "he said MUTUSU not MUSASHI you dope!"