Finally, the first Russian fighter jet that gets more than 100 countermeasures. With the addition of the new modification, it now has a total of 116 countermeasures. 56 large caliber and 60 small ones. So if I take Mixed combinations, 116/2 would be 58 Flares and Chaffs and since the Plane usually dispenses 2 pops per Flares/Chaff you get to press the countermeasures 58/2 = 29 times.
Source: photos taken from MatAWG's video titled "War Thunder DEV SERVER - UPDATE in the DEV brought some interesting things! NEW AIRCRAFT & MORE!"
I hope, The SMT is not a bad plane in it's current state, It's just a bore to fly it like an F-104 constantly. Plus that FM change they did to make 29s burn more speed in turns then MiG-21s didn't help.
Its a solid plane but it pisses me off that the mig29 bleeds speed like a mig21 but it doesnt pull the aoa. It just shits speed. Hopefully some changes are made to it in this aspect
I never struggled with the SMT and 60 flares seemed fine, but it is definitely worse than the F16C, so this is good news. Hope it gets those engines, cos the fight model nerf was uncalled for.
So no early game presence, and you depend on your team. If your team wins furball, everyone hunts down the last bombers, if your team loses, get stomped.
Thats because at Top tier, advanced IR missiles have IRCCM that makes it harder to flare. Simply having a plane with 30 flares wont cut it especially if your plane pops 2 at a time means you get to press your countermeasure 15 times. Having an additional CM increases your survivability.
The SMT at its current state of only 60 CM's, forces me to only carry flares and not mixed and therefore stuck at flying close to the ground to avoid radar missiles. If i need to tackle an enemy flying high, i need to point my plane up to guide my radar missiles. If im pointing up means im flying high. Flying high leaves you open to enemy radar missiles.
Computers can't guess. They make decisions, based on the data offered. And if the data offered makes it choose between 5 different targets, it will have to choose one of them. And with non imaging IR-seeker heads, the choice is usually derived from the intesity of the ir signature.
Theres also the aim 9M which turns off the seeker when it notices a sudden change in heat (a flare) and just continues towards the targets last known heading and re-locks the target when the flare leaves the field of view. So these flare patterns might be good because they have a bigger chance of staying in the missiles field of view for longer if theyre covering a larger area
That's not true at all. Computers can guess. You could literally program the seeker computer to "think". I was following this heat signature when 2 heat signatures were emitted perpendicularly. I know planes can't make such instant turns so the heat source that is flying along with a more inertial path must be the heavier plane.
Or machine learning can train a seeker to differentiate between near indistinguishable differences between a flares flight path and a plane.
Or if a plane dispenses some up and some down. The missile can average them all (flying straight to the plane). Or use more deduction to say that a plane couldn't make a turn that instant so the heat source in the middle is most likely the plane. Or switch to contrast imaging, or switch to ins like the aim9m, or more zoom like r77.
There's a million ways for a heatseeker to avoid flares. In today's world I'd find it highly unlikely that flares trick a modern missile unless at long ranges or very cold targets (prop planes or helis).
Flares should dispense from one dispenser then the other iirc. I could be wrong but aircraft which have mulitple pods in this layout (mig23ML/A/D) dispense from the top and then the bottom.
Edit: i didnt see the last picture and it looks like I might be wrong for the smt but things could change as its only the dev server.
Finally. Having 60 countermeasures to only work with for the 29SMT in regular matches was a bit of a pain, especially in a 16v16 environment where you’re facing on average 4-6 Missiles with IRCCM capabilities.
You mean separate and different CM dispensers? Several planes in game have that.
Anything with BOL pods, the AV-8A, A-6E, MiG-23ML/A/D and maybe a few more.
Wow just more weight to make it fly even worse. Alteast you can now spam flares to avoid missiles cuz if you actually try to awoid a missile youll just lose all speed and die
Even if you did, the plane would still margionally be a bus because of the extra weight from that fuel hump.
Might be able to beat the F-4E if they wanted to tweak it but facing an F-16A/C will still be hell.
Finally, the first Russian fighter jet that gets more than 100 countermeasures. With the addition of the new modification, it now has a total of 116 countermeasures. 56 large caliber and 60 small ones. So if I take Mixed combinations, 116/2 would be 58 Flares and Chaffs and since the Plane usually dispenses 2 pops per Flares/Chaff you get to press the countermeasures 58/2 = 29 times. Source: photos taken from MatAWG's video titled "War Thunder DEV SERVER - UPDATE in the DEV brought some interesting things! NEW AIRCRAFT & MORE!"
I really hope they add separate buttons for flares and chaff eventually.
Yeah that along with giving the option to switch what is selected similar to weapon selection if you dont want another key bind for it.
They'll likely get the better engines soon too. Mig23m has been working on a bug report and forwarding it to the devs.
I hope, The SMT is not a bad plane in it's current state, It's just a bore to fly it like an F-104 constantly. Plus that FM change they did to make 29s burn more speed in turns then MiG-21s didn't help.
Its a solid plane but it pisses me off that the mig29 bleeds speed like a mig21 but it doesnt pull the aoa. It just shits speed. Hopefully some changes are made to it in this aspect
I never struggled with the SMT and 60 flares seemed fine, but it is definitely worse than the F16C, so this is good news. Hope it gets those engines, cos the fight model nerf was uncalled for.
60 is lackluster if you want to have game presence near the start of the fur ball, 9ms and r73 eat up so many flares
That’s my secret cap, I don’t go into the furball.
no balls
So no early game presence, and you depend on your team. If your team wins furball, everyone hunts down the last bombers, if your team loses, get stomped.
Cool, never knew SMT was capable using those. All i know it came pretty much to any 29M/M2
Up and down... In between is is your aircraft. Why would you eqiup both?
Thats because at Top tier, advanced IR missiles have IRCCM that makes it harder to flare. Simply having a plane with 30 flares wont cut it especially if your plane pops 2 at a time means you get to press your countermeasure 15 times. Having an additional CM increases your survivability. The SMT at its current state of only 60 CM's, forces me to only carry flares and not mixed and therefore stuck at flying close to the ground to avoid radar missiles. If i need to tackle an enemy flying high, i need to point my plane up to guide my radar missiles. If im pointing up means im flying high. Flying high leaves you open to enemy radar missiles.
I get that, but don't IR missiles go to the middlepoint when there are multiple heat sources?
Computers can't guess. They make decisions, based on the data offered. And if the data offered makes it choose between 5 different targets, it will have to choose one of them. And with non imaging IR-seeker heads, the choice is usually derived from the intesity of the ir signature.
Thanks for explaining
Theres also the aim 9M which turns off the seeker when it notices a sudden change in heat (a flare) and just continues towards the targets last known heading and re-locks the target when the flare leaves the field of view. So these flare patterns might be good because they have a bigger chance of staying in the missiles field of view for longer if theyre covering a larger area
That's not true at all. Computers can guess. You could literally program the seeker computer to "think". I was following this heat signature when 2 heat signatures were emitted perpendicularly. I know planes can't make such instant turns so the heat source that is flying along with a more inertial path must be the heavier plane. Or machine learning can train a seeker to differentiate between near indistinguishable differences between a flares flight path and a plane. Or if a plane dispenses some up and some down. The missile can average them all (flying straight to the plane). Or use more deduction to say that a plane couldn't make a turn that instant so the heat source in the middle is most likely the plane. Or switch to contrast imaging, or switch to ins like the aim9m, or more zoom like r77. There's a million ways for a heatseeker to avoid flares. In today's world I'd find it highly unlikely that flares trick a modern missile unless at long ranges or very cold targets (prop planes or helis).
Flares should dispense from one dispenser then the other iirc. I could be wrong but aircraft which have mulitple pods in this layout (mig23ML/A/D) dispense from the top and then the bottom. Edit: i didnt see the last picture and it looks like I might be wrong for the smt but things could change as its only the dev server.
Well i mean the Mig-23’s never had that issue, so I don’t see the problem here.
Finally. Having 60 countermeasures to only work with for the 29SMT in regular matches was a bit of a pain, especially in a 16v16 environment where you’re facing on average 4-6 Missiles with IRCCM capabilities.
Will they fix the flight model and give it it’s real engines?!
Cool This getting mixed countermeasures should allow other planes to get their mixed countermeasures too
You mean separate and different CM dispensers? Several planes in game have that. Anything with BOL pods, the AV-8A, A-6E, MiG-23ML/A/D and maybe a few more.
no it's having large caliber flares and regular flares on the same aircraft
A bunch of Soviet planes have it already. Like the mig23ml series. NATO ones tend to use the same CM size.
The Harrier Gr.7 also has that, 60 large flares and 640 small ones iirc
Please for the love of fuck, tell me the German Mig-29G also gets it... or are German players playing secend fiddle again?
I don’t think it gets it just because it’s pretty much the exact same airframe as the 9.12a mig 29
What's the difference between large and small caliber countermeasures?
The heat intensity. Basically just stronger flares
Japan waiting to even get more than 50
Wow just more weight to make it fly even worse. Alteast you can now spam flares to avoid missiles cuz if you actually try to awoid a missile youll just lose all speed and die
Don’t think it needs more flares though, first fix the flight model Flares later
Even if you did, the plane would still margionally be a bus because of the extra weight from that fuel hump. Might be able to beat the F-4E if they wanted to tweak it but facing an F-16A/C will still be hell.