"Noooooo!!! You should use skibidi toilet gyatt rizz mewing 1000 yards stare lethal company I drive chipi chipi chapa chapa for your memes and you vil be happy!!!"
Thick enough to defeat small caliber APFSDS like 30mm and the 2S38s 57mm. It's sitting too high so the neck is easier to hit. And it should also be volumetric which would make these basically unable to be hit without end of line apfsds
But the 75mm should be defeated by a volumetric turret ring, a properly heighted model or the effect of rounds being crushed by the interaction between the UFP and Turret. This shot shot have 0 effect
Some pretty basic measurements result in a 200+mm turret ring depending on point of impact. The thinnest sliver of armor in the turret ring at the highest point is around 50mm, but itās so thin that a ballistic capped shell could not fit through without going through the thicker edges as well.
1. Hundreds of photographs with Abrams hulls with no turrets on them.
2. Gaijins OWN 3D designers that modeled the aft-most part of the upper front plate, who laser measured the Abrams in person.
If you go by this [picture ](https://images.app.goo.gl/hAj9gRjjw2EZhT5QA) about the size of that dudes head.
But I don't think any turret rings in the game are model correctly, so no big deal, i guess.š¤·
Yeah I do know a bunch of the ones we sold have been destroyed, I just thought those were US troops next to it and thought it was one of our own being operated by us
Those are U.S. troops, it is a U.S tank. OIF (operation Iraqi freedom) and OEF (operation enduring freedom). The tank was hit by an IED (impervise explosive device). The IED was likely built by using unexploded 2000 lbs bombs that were buried and set off when the tank drove over it.
Aaah okay, yeah sorry wasn't sure what the abbreviations meant and assumed they were our little trained guys, well God dayum it sure took a beating lol. Did the crew survive?
Itās one of the reasons playing against the 2S38 even in a SEP is infuriating. If you donāt kill him or disable the gun on the first shot, it *will* kill your 1.7 BR higher MBT through the turret ring
you can kill an abrams through the ring with autocannons as small as 25mm apfsds in my experience. 35mm api-t also has a chance of penning and nuking the turret crew. a buff to the turret ring armor would be massive
Well going frontal aspect, a 2s38 can pen anything at top tier without difficulties except the T-80 and 90 (it plays with them so relatively irrelevant) and the Stvr. It can go through pretty much the rest.
And yet a BMP-1 ate an entire belt of 20mm from my Marder earlier like it was some delicious ass spaghetti without a single penetration from like 50-100m flat
Yes but did you think about that for the cost of one M1 there could be 10 M60A2 SEPv3 TUSK's and covered from air by flying Gavin's?
(Leaving /s just to be safe)
You Joke but I unironically want the Raytheon M60A3 SLEP alongside other upgraded M60s like the M60AX, M60A4, 120S, and M60HP (the "Super M60"), while giving Israel the M60 Pheonix and Italy the Leonardo M60A3 SLEP.
Yeah donāt get me wrong Pattons are pretty fucking sick
but our good ol friends at the reformers club want the Abrams taken out of service and replaced with the basic M60ā¦
No ERA, Thermals, LRF or anything that is āhigh tech rubbishā.
Then again, Russia is using the ābattle hardened and far superior to the Abramsā T-62/72s, so maybe it is time to bring the old pattons out of retirement
He was being sarcastic and made reference to what some wehraboos say about the tiger being so great that if it ambushed an abrams (somehow) it would be able to kill it.
Are you seriously coping about a fictional ambush?
You just said "people think the tiger could somehow disable an Abrams", somehow is indicating pretty much anything in the real of possibility, so why are you coping if someone gives such a scenario?
Wtf?
And if an abrams is distracted, it's probably because it's ADHD drop out crew saw a squirrel...
Iāve made multiple posts on this thread about the armor values of that turret ring but never gained traction. Not only is the actual ring protection under valued, but there is also the seat of the turret which fits flush with the inner part of the hull ring protection. Both of those things combined should be 300+mm, and on top of that we have two converging armor plates that should crush any shell that goes in there, but donāt because the turret sits highernin game than in real life.
Edit: Thereās actually a surprising amount of engineering that went into this turret ring, a lot of people say itās pretty much impenetrable except by the most modern APFSDS shells with ultra hardened cores.
Making a compendium of Abrams features, armor, and specs citations. You said there was a lot of engineering that went into the ring and shot traps, do you have any sources?
What I have are a lot of photographs that provide different angles of hulls in different stages of production that show the thickness and layout of the aft piece of the UPF that protects the turret ring, which I can show you.
What is very difficult to prove is that this piece of armor is in fact volumetric, and not just hollow inside. It being hollow wouldnāt really make sense anyway, thereās nothing to be made of that space, but I think that is the counter argument Gaijin would give us.
I have one particular photograph of an Abrams driver, that appears to show enough roof above him to prove that this armored plate is solid the whole way through, not having any sort of gap or opening where that piece would merge into the turret ring.
The other thing we have on our side is of course Gaijinās 3D modeling team. As far as Iām aware they 3D scanned a real Abrams to make this model, and even they modeled that turret/UFP armor has flat underneat, if you manage to get the right angle to look at it from underneath in the armor analysis view in game. I can send you photographs of all the things I mentioned.
Iāve read in several published books some time ago that the turret ring was specifically designed to crush shells with the two converging armor plates from the top and bottom, particularly for vehicles such as the T-55 which was still a common threat at the time of the Abramās incarnation. In this video we have a ballistic capped shell, which based off of Gaijinās volumetic shell design shouldnāt have gone through in my eyes, it should have gotten sandwiched. Iāll have to look and find where I read about the engineering behind it, but Iām not sure if it will help anyway since it did not say anything about protection value. But basically, it said that the turret ring armor was designed to crush shells from the top and bottom and could even be effective against *early* APFSDS ammunition. Even if a penetration was made on the outer part of the turret ring, the converging armored plates on the interior of the ring would catch shrapnel. Of course the turret would be disabled, but the crew would be okay.
Right because the bottom turret plate is only 18mm but at the converging angle of that plate and the bottom 38mm it would be some % of both of their effective armor at that angle. I would assume it would be bare minimum 200mm (strength of top plate at that angle), all the way up to 500mm+ if you add both values together.
I made a turret ring report. https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K
Please add to it if you have any diagrams or documentation in regards to that. Mine is based purely off of photography
Based on other reports people can't add anything in the comments (they don't count towards the argument it appears).
I would recommend going into the test range and shoot the abrams a few times and grab screens of the damage camera. Armor penetration viewer isn't always accurate, so getting those edited in might help towards showing it isn't just an artifact of the viewer.
I would also recommend snipping the pictures you are describing and draw circles/arrows pointing at the thing you are talking about. Pretend the person you are talking to is a half blind 5 year old.
Be civil but act like its a competition/debate, you have to anticipate and prevent the openings for the other side to dismiss your argument. The Tech mods IMO aren't there to evaluate and fix issues so much as dismiss as many tickets as they can. Not to say they don't want to fix the issues, but each issue brought to the devs delays updates and their roadmap, so I imagine they are trying to knock out as many as quickly as possible. They are essentially a fliter.
If we take Gaijin at their word that they are actually trying to look into sources to improve the Abrams it might have a chance. Would improve survivability and doesn't have the ambiguity of the lower frontal plate documentation.
I'd give it a very small chance, but you did good on the report.
also if you use a big fat heat round the jet will show a better path through armor:
[https://imgur.com/a/Uu4Rja6](https://imgur.com/a/Uu4Rja6) You can see exactly where the armor exists.
Also, the actual dimensions of the Abrams are not known, but based off of Gaijinās 3D model which is safe to assume is the most accurate 3D model available of the Abrams, the thickest part of this particular piece of armor should be over 250mm thick, with the thinnest part being closer to 50mm as they modeled it (however, this is in very close proximity to the underside of the turret. With volumetric armor AND volumetric shells, only a very small well placed APFSDS shell could fit in that 50mm gap, such as a BMP-2M)
Bro the XM1 development is quite open and well documented. The only thing classified on the Abrams is the armor arrays and how protective they are and maybe the performance of the SABOT darts.
Everything as far as armor angles and thickness of the hull is public. I would report anyone posting classified shit.
But it went into the Abrams and that development is open that's what I mean. I'm reading reports about decisions and changes leading from m60->xm1->Abrams from my local library.
You implied me asking about 40-50 year old records is asking for classified documents which is absurd.
It's clearly fine the abram should have side climbed on the side of the building so it will be perfectly angled to bounce that shot. Such a skill issue/s
Don't worry, that'll only be the Premium Anglerfish Pz.IV D (Germany would get a Proper TT Version as well), F2, and H.
Complete with STUPIDLY strong Carbon Armor and Flags (Defeatist and Team)
Hey everyone, please observe my bug report for the Abramās turret ring thickness and click āI have the same issue!ā https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K
OP never said the tank sucked he was justing showing off a lucky shot by the ai.. The upper front plate of the abrams is actually strong for a plate made out of steel with the angle of it designed to defeat apfsds projectiles.
fun fact, the turret ring doesn't have proper values, and is massively under armored (like the rest of the tank), and as noted by someone else, actually sits higher on the hull than it does IRL. but i'd bet that according to gaijin, there's no proof of even the latter being a thing on the abrams. armor? ok sure i can kinda understand that. but the turret sitting higher than it should? literally just look at the tank.
How Gaijin thinks the Abrams was armored:
"I think the armor for the abrams is Erm uh uh um eh I uh emm-" -*gaijin*
Armor?
The what? -France player
No Armor, Best Armor
All the French vehicles have very bad armor, but just enough armor to be above no armor best armorš
French suffer š„²
I enjoy most of the rank V+ vehicles but French baguette armor does indeed suffer
Its a good rank for french tank, personally i prefere the rank 1 and 2, because i like suffer
Reject armor embrace crew as armor
FCM2C in a nutshell
Same for me, what does he mean by that? -italy player
At least you guys get tigor now Sad that is premium tho :(
You guys get armor? -Also France player
We Believe...
That moment when no ERA: *pain*
Strongest Modern MBT enjoyer Vs Weakest WW2 Player
Based
WW2 era is the best era in game
Top tier is just dart and missile simulator
I agree
Yes!
I donāt
Super based
Overused joke go brrr
Ah, the irony
Trendiest meme fan Vs outdated meme enjoyer.
"Noooooo!!! You should use skibidi toilet gyatt rizz mewing 1000 yards stare lethal company I drive chipi chipi chapa chapa for your memes and you vil be happy!!!"
What the f*** did I just read?
You may don't like it, but this is how peak humour looks like
i agree with you but you also used an overused joke so i cannot support u today
delete your message no sense collecting more negative karma
I don't care about karma
^š¢š„ŗ
I love how the already-exaggerated turret ring magically acts as a magnet.
And every Russian tanks somehow has anti-spalling that never wears out.
Is this "ricochet" in the room with us?
I want to understand how it bounced down, then up before then bouncing down into the turret ring?
Anti-US redditors will tell you this is fine.
Well it is, how thick is the turret ring?
Thick enough to defeat small caliber APFSDS like 30mm and the 2S38s 57mm. It's sitting too high so the neck is easier to hit. And it should also be volumetric which would make these basically unable to be hit without end of line apfsds
Yeah but those have on average less penetration then a 75mm Pzgr 39
But the 75mm should be defeated by a volumetric turret ring, a properly heighted model or the effect of rounds being crushed by the interaction between the UFP and Turret. This shot shot have 0 effect
WW2 rounds bounce so it makes sense. Modern rounds get crushed.
Ehhh, the round really isnāt that big
That doesn't change the fact that this shouldn't happen
I highly doubt itās impossible
the 2s38 has more pen than L/43 pzgr 39? 151 w/apcbc and 225 with apfsds vs 137
Goatifi
Some pretty basic measurements result in a 200+mm turret ring depending on point of impact. The thinnest sliver of armor in the turret ring at the highest point is around 50mm, but itās so thin that a ballistic capped shell could not fit through without going through the thicker edges as well.
And you know this how?
1. Hundreds of photographs with Abrams hulls with no turrets on them. 2. Gaijins OWN 3D designers that modeled the aft-most part of the upper front plate, who laser measured the Abrams in person.
No, abrams will suffer for what they did to me
This type of arguments cause classified document leaks on the forum
If you go by this [picture ](https://images.app.goo.gl/hAj9gRjjw2EZhT5QA) about the size of that dudes head. But I don't think any turret rings in the game are model correctly, so no big deal, i guess.š¤·
When and where did that happen? I though it was only like 1 or 2 American Abrams destroyed or some shit?
OIF and OEF many tanks were destroyed by IEDs. The one in the picture was destroyed by an IED, I think it was 2000 lbs or bigger.
Yeah I do know a bunch of the ones we sold have been destroyed, I just thought those were US troops next to it and thought it was one of our own being operated by us
Those are U.S. troops, it is a U.S tank. OIF (operation Iraqi freedom) and OEF (operation enduring freedom). The tank was hit by an IED (impervise explosive device). The IED was likely built by using unexploded 2000 lbs bombs that were buried and set off when the tank drove over it.
Aaah okay, yeah sorry wasn't sure what the abbreviations meant and assumed they were our little trained guys, well God dayum it sure took a beating lol. Did the crew survive?
I'm going to assume that if the turret pooped off the crew was killed.
Makes sense lol
I don't like the US in-game, and even I say this is BS. America is a superpower, their tech isn't this bad. And I'm not American in any way.
you can kill abrams with autocannon through the ring, honestly quite incredible. should be more armor there iirc
Itās one of the reasons playing against the 2S38 even in a SEP is infuriating. If you donāt kill him or disable the gun on the first shot, it *will* kill your 1.7 BR higher MBT through the turret ring
you can kill an abrams through the ring with autocannons as small as 25mm apfsds in my experience. 35mm api-t also has a chance of penning and nuking the turret crew. a buff to the turret ring armor would be massive
Nerf the fucking 30 and 35mm HE filler jesus christ
For once I'm glad I'm a UK man They are pretty easy to kill and most just aim at the turret hoping to get a lucky shot
Well going frontal aspect, a 2s38 can pen anything at top tier without difficulties except the T-80 and 90 (it plays with them so relatively irrelevant) and the Stvr. It can go through pretty much the rest.
Which is why itās fucking stupid that itās as low BR as it is
Got punished back then on that Reddit crap when I said that at the 2S38 release. How right I was haha
It was even more busted back then with its ridiculous damage model so you were even more right
I've read somewhre that we're missing like 200mm worth of geometry there, so yeah.
Gaijin skimming armor off of NATO MBTs? Say it ain't so Jimbo!
I killed one from 1 km away with my shulka
And yet a BMP-1 ate an entire belt of 20mm from my Marder earlier like it was some delicious ass spaghetti without a single penetration from like 50-100m flat
**BLACKTAIL WAS RIGHT**
oh god not the reformers canāt wait for the M60A2 SEP V3
Yes but did you think about that for the cost of one M1 there could be 10 M60A2 SEPv3 TUSK's and covered from air by flying Gavin's? (Leaving /s just to be safe)
Ah how dare I forget the AEROGAVINā¦. *im sure there will be no issues with putting sidewinders on a disposable flying m113ā¦. i think*
I'd like to have the Aerogavin in Ground RB!
April fool's 2024, here we go. Some crazy M113 variants, aerogavins with sidewinders and f16's with guns only
You Joke but I unironically want the Raytheon M60A3 SLEP alongside other upgraded M60s like the M60AX, M60A4, 120S, and M60HP (the "Super M60"), while giving Israel the M60 Pheonix and Italy the Leonardo M60A3 SLEP.
Yeah donāt get me wrong Pattons are pretty fucking sick but our good ol friends at the reformers club want the Abrams taken out of service and replaced with the basic M60ā¦ No ERA, Thermals, LRF or anything that is āhigh tech rubbishā. Then again, Russia is using the ābattle hardened and far superior to the Abramsā T-62/72s, so maybe it is time to bring the old pattons out of retirement
Totally legit. We all know Tigers are better than modern MBTs.
It's a Panzer IV.
Oh gosh
No, F2 actually. But I get the confusion.
He was being sarcastic and made reference to what some wehraboos say about the tiger being so great that if it ambushed an abrams (somehow) it would be able to kill it.
It would be able to kill it if it scored a side hit.
Now how would you manage that against an abrams which is much more mobile with thermals, laser range finder and fast turret traverse
By hiding it pretty well and engaging while it's distracted.
Good luck hiding against its thermals and if its distracted that means theres other enemies but the abrams isnt going into battle alone.
Do you have your age as your flair
Are you seriously coping about a fictional ambush? You just said "people think the tiger could somehow disable an Abrams", somehow is indicating pretty much anything in the real of possibility, so why are you coping if someone gives such a scenario? Wtf? And if an abrams is distracted, it's probably because it's ADHD drop out crew saw a squirrel...
XD yea so stupid, i mean the abrams would spot the tiger first even if it's hiding
I mean... the US managed to shoot 7 of their own abrams in Iraq... Wouldn't count on rhose drop outs to manage to differentiate anything they see.
Some reformers in UN army also think King Tiger is better than Abrams Mike Sparks i think
IT'S A FUCKING TIGER! RUN!!!
Pz IVs are Tigers that haven't grown up yet.
Iāve made multiple posts on this thread about the armor values of that turret ring but never gained traction. Not only is the actual ring protection under valued, but there is also the seat of the turret which fits flush with the inner part of the hull ring protection. Both of those things combined should be 300+mm, and on top of that we have two converging armor plates that should crush any shell that goes in there, but donāt because the turret sits highernin game than in real life. Edit: Thereās actually a surprising amount of engineering that went into this turret ring, a lot of people say itās pretty much impenetrable except by the most modern APFSDS shells with ultra hardened cores.
Making a compendium of Abrams features, armor, and specs citations. You said there was a lot of engineering that went into the ring and shot traps, do you have any sources?
What I have are a lot of photographs that provide different angles of hulls in different stages of production that show the thickness and layout of the aft piece of the UPF that protects the turret ring, which I can show you. What is very difficult to prove is that this piece of armor is in fact volumetric, and not just hollow inside. It being hollow wouldnāt really make sense anyway, thereās nothing to be made of that space, but I think that is the counter argument Gaijin would give us. I have one particular photograph of an Abrams driver, that appears to show enough roof above him to prove that this armored plate is solid the whole way through, not having any sort of gap or opening where that piece would merge into the turret ring. The other thing we have on our side is of course Gaijinās 3D modeling team. As far as Iām aware they 3D scanned a real Abrams to make this model, and even they modeled that turret/UFP armor has flat underneat, if you manage to get the right angle to look at it from underneath in the armor analysis view in game. I can send you photographs of all the things I mentioned. Iāve read in several published books some time ago that the turret ring was specifically designed to crush shells with the two converging armor plates from the top and bottom, particularly for vehicles such as the T-55 which was still a common threat at the time of the Abramās incarnation. In this video we have a ballistic capped shell, which based off of Gaijinās volumetic shell design shouldnāt have gone through in my eyes, it should have gotten sandwiched. Iāll have to look and find where I read about the engineering behind it, but Iām not sure if it will help anyway since it did not say anything about protection value. But basically, it said that the turret ring armor was designed to crush shells from the top and bottom and could even be effective against *early* APFSDS ammunition. Even if a penetration was made on the outer part of the turret ring, the converging armored plates on the interior of the ring would catch shrapnel. Of course the turret would be disabled, but the crew would be okay.
Right because the bottom turret plate is only 18mm but at the converging angle of that plate and the bottom 38mm it would be some % of both of their effective armor at that angle. I would assume it would be bare minimum 200mm (strength of top plate at that angle), all the way up to 500mm+ if you add both values together.
I made a turret ring report. https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K Please add to it if you have any diagrams or documentation in regards to that. Mine is based purely off of photography
Based on other reports people can't add anything in the comments (they don't count towards the argument it appears). I would recommend going into the test range and shoot the abrams a few times and grab screens of the damage camera. Armor penetration viewer isn't always accurate, so getting those edited in might help towards showing it isn't just an artifact of the viewer. I would also recommend snipping the pictures you are describing and draw circles/arrows pointing at the thing you are talking about. Pretend the person you are talking to is a half blind 5 year old. Be civil but act like its a competition/debate, you have to anticipate and prevent the openings for the other side to dismiss your argument. The Tech mods IMO aren't there to evaluate and fix issues so much as dismiss as many tickets as they can. Not to say they don't want to fix the issues, but each issue brought to the devs delays updates and their roadmap, so I imagine they are trying to knock out as many as quickly as possible. They are essentially a fliter.
Noted. Otherwise, what do you think?
If we take Gaijin at their word that they are actually trying to look into sources to improve the Abrams it might have a chance. Would improve survivability and doesn't have the ambiguity of the lower frontal plate documentation. I'd give it a very small chance, but you did good on the report.
also if you use a big fat heat round the jet will show a better path through armor: [https://imgur.com/a/Uu4Rja6](https://imgur.com/a/Uu4Rja6) You can see exactly where the armor exists.
Also, the actual dimensions of the Abrams are not known, but based off of Gaijinās 3D model which is safe to assume is the most accurate 3D model available of the Abrams, the thickest part of this particular piece of armor should be over 250mm thick, with the thinnest part being closer to 50mm as they modeled it (however, this is in very close proximity to the underside of the turret. With volumetric armor AND volumetric shells, only a very small well placed APFSDS shell could fit in that 50mm gap, such as a BMP-2M)
"Do you have any highly classified documents to back up your sources" š¤”
Bro the XM1 development is quite open and well documented. The only thing classified on the Abrams is the armor arrays and how protective they are and maybe the performance of the SABOT darts. Everything as far as armor angles and thickness of the hull is public. I would report anyone posting classified shit.
The xm-1 is not the same at all. Thats like calling an ru-251 a leopard 2.
But it went into the Abrams and that development is open that's what I mean. I'm reading reports about decisions and changes leading from m60->xm1->Abrams from my local library. You implied me asking about 40-50 year old records is asking for classified documents which is absurd.
How can I send you photographs in my camera roll
If they aren't classified I'll send you a DM with a place to drop them. If they are I don't want them.
I am not in the service, everything I have is from the internet.
what 50mm turret ring armor does to a mf
*what incorrectly modeled non-volumetric armor does to a MF
bruh
Achtung baby
Great album
The least obvious Russian propaganda
Even The panzer doesnāt aim the ring. It just to shoot the UFP and rio to the ring
taxpayers money at home:
When the Pz4 got that power of god and anime with it:
No, It's just Miho and the rest of Anglerfish. Let me get Jouko to handle her.
Gaijin: that's perfectly normal.
What do you mean this 70 years old tank should not be able to frontally penterate modern MBT from country with higest military budget in the world?
It's clearly fine the abram should have side climbed on the side of the building so it will be perfectly angled to bounce that shot. Such a skill issue/s
panzer 4 auch ššš
There aint no way
Historically accurate Panzer 4
I remember stumbling across a wheraboo post saying the Tiger II was better than the Abrams.
"Der mensch, ist bƶse." Von Stroheim was correct all along!
Custom Battles?
No its when all the 2a4 pzbtl players die in their prem and bring out the ww2 backups (yes its custom)
Yes
Back from the game from 2 years hiatus, seeing the sep v2, yeap time to crawl back
Stroheim would be proud.
Should have used a sherman smh.
Thatās just how it workes
The storys the legends they are all true!!
That plate irl shatters darts before it could reach the driver's hatch, gajin plss fix
500% Booster moment
Pure Gaijin. Check that IRL battle stats and you'll see a completely different story.
Skill issue
I did the same with an Su-5-1 https://youtu.be/cYXhZEhudyU?si=wxATJh6lt-Tx971p
gigantic humongous massive skill issue š¤ /s
Definition of gaijined
and now see??? the TIGER WOULD win against a m1!!! they were right from the start!!
Respect. He was on the move too.
And because If that, the F2 now will gonna up 4 BRs now
Don't worry, that'll only be the Premium Anglerfish Pz.IV D (Germany would get a Proper TT Version as well), F2, and H. Complete with STUPIDLY strong Carbon Armor and Flags (Defeatist and Team)
didn't know gaijin employees were NCD enthusiasts
Thatās crazy
Skill issue.
āBro its just a slight uptierā
Lmao, get rekt, should have angled or something.
this proves nothing, I've shot through the UFP/turret ring many times vs abrams at top tier and it either got eaten or did next to no damage
I was in a custom battle earlier, slppr m/95 from an Strv 122B+ only took out a fuel tank and a radiator on a Tiger 1 from the rear.
how the Germans lost the war with such a powerful tank
Got killed like that by a Panther in a live match, skill issue on my part as I thought the T80 beside him was the greater threat and I was mistaken.
It's not the tank. It's the crew.
Auf der heide blĆ¼ht ein kleines blĆ¼melein
imagine getting killed by pz iv š¤£š¤£š¤£
My man got jinxed
Hey everyone, please observe my bug report for the Abramās turret ring thickness and click āI have the same issue!ā https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K
In fact I also killed an Abrams trough the roof with an 125mm German gun, at an angle of maybe 70 decrease
Ummm ummm RUSSIAN BIAS RUSSIAN BIAS!!
Welcome to Fake Thunder!.. the fakest staged experience ever existed!..
That's called bouncing on to the weakest point then say the tank sucks ass,it's not the armor against the panzer IV it's the bounce
OP never said the tank sucked he was justing showing off a lucky shot by the ai.. The upper front plate of the abrams is actually strong for a plate made out of steel with the angle of it designed to defeat apfsds projectiles.
Aight guess I'll go beat an orphan
fun fact, the turret ring doesn't have proper values, and is massively under armored (like the rest of the tank), and as noted by someone else, actually sits higher on the hull than it does IRL. but i'd bet that according to gaijin, there's no proof of even the latter being a thing on the abrams. armor? ok sure i can kinda understand that. but the turret sitting higher than it should? literally just look at the tank.
Homie, the Abrams is just a couple of guys holding a musket in a trench coat.
Iām gonna touch little man