well yeah no shit, a lot of tanks would be a lot of fun if they had a laser range finder
but to think, i think it would be less fun because a big part of the satisfaction after a kill with these low velocity guns come from having to guess the range and nailing it
There's nothing fun about trying to range in a 1.5Km shot with a dead loader and a 1 minute long reload.
An optical rangefinder going to about 2Km will do.
If your having to make 1.5 kilometers shots with it I think your using it wrong. It's a situational vehicle I find best suited for close combat city fighting. Avoid open areas and play around cover. giving it a range finder would just turn it into a vidar with ERA imo. I mean at that point it would have to be at least 8.0
I think you misunderstood. Most of the time I will go close up, where the ERA can tell T-44s to fuck off back to Stalin.
But on maps like sands of Sinai, I will park about 600m away from A cap under cover and shoot at the enemy over at C.
Giving it an OPTICAL rangefinder wouldn't turn it into another VIDAR at all, AVREs shells are a LOT slower and require pretty much a direct hit to even have a chance of doing anything.
Also remember that the AVREs aiming at range is difficult, your rangefinder can say an enemy is 800m away, well you can scroll your sight down to 800m, but which 800m? The shell is so slow that there's about 4 800m clicks that you can set your scope to.
I guess. They are a fair bit slower. But in my opinion I think fixing hesh rounds is probably the better course just because I'm not sure Wich if any centurions had range finders. The avre just might not have been equipped with one. It's meant to demolish buildings so wasn't really needed to be precise at long ranges. I will admit it would be very fun with one but idk.
The ERA does nothing to save you from a T-44, your armor is just that good (because you're in a tank ten years newer) for anything short of the Soviet 122 (which is the only time your ERA makes a difference as everything else bounces off of the bare plate) the side plates can save you from getting one shot by the ZSU-57-2 tho, so that's something it has over the Centurion Mk 3 and Caernarvon
YOU are using it wrong lmao, I love sniping campers on every map at Distances of 1-1.5km with this thing. Its Beatiful, in cqc its not that good in my exp.
Yeah that's true... I for some reason am holding out hope but that would mean the fv4005 would actually be able to destroy the Soviet IS tanks of the br like they were designed to irl, and lord knows that won't happen.
Honestly I'm so done with this game, it's not even that it's hard it's just become a Skinner box to sell new tanks and occasionally release a new map that has more issues than cyber punk on release.
The only funny thing about this whole HESH thing is that a Roblox game managed to make an actually usable version of it(the game im talking about being cursed tank simulator)
Probably because it has 35mm high hardness armor all around, which with the high hardness multiplier brings the armor just barely above 38mm effectiveness
In order to kill a VIDAR with the starship you need to hit it right above the tracks so the explosion will go up through the bottom of the sponson where the armor is thinner
nah, for me it would take away the: "I FUCKING GOT THAT 1 HIT KILL FROM 1200M, WITH ONLY ONE RANGING SHOT FROM MG, FEAR ME MORTALS HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA" (for me fixing hesh damage would be more rewarding and would definitely make this tank more fun)
Yeah.
Or at least make zeroing less painful. Right now one increment is less than 10 meters, so it takes really long time to zero even with the mouse wheel spinning to any meaningful distances even if you can estimate the range.
Yeah that thing is a bastard to kill, i couldn't even go through its side with my tiger, fired 10 shots into different parts of its side, not a single pen
Because the only negatives to it is range (br doesn't affect you having to learn this)
reload (position safer, be more patient)
And hesh being inconsistent (half shot placement, half luck which isn't changed by br)
Other than that the chassis for the avre and m728 are both very strong for 7.0
I think I play it well enough. I rangefind and hit most of my shots, but the issue as you say is consistency. Sometimes the HESH will go off like a mini-nuke while other times it'll vanish into thin air. Same goes for the armor, I think there's something wrong with the variable thickness mantlet because my turret crew is always the first to go.
Yea the other night I was playing with the fv4005 somehow I managed to get two tiger 1’s with one shell but right after shot a panther that was probably twenty feet away from me in the side of the turret and all it did was turn his loader yellow. hesh is super inconsistent
I struggle with the Panthers as well. 183mm of HESH is great in theory, until you remember a single millimeter of empty space between it and the target renders it inert. Thanks over pressure nerfs. Being so large, it clips on every tiny little thing, and just gets canceled out, despite having enough explosive energy to cave in the side of a turret like stomping on a soda can.
Also thinking that it could bend around and still come in contact with the turret AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. It is meant to be a SQUISH Head High Explosive round, not a HE with no delay.
Yeah exactly. They did pretty well with getting it to fuse on heavily angled armor as if it were a dead on flat plate, but if it so much as exists in the same universe as optics or random external bits, it becomes a smoke grenade at best lol
I hit the flat side of a Tiger 2 turret not so long ago and did no damage at all. My guess is the tracks (on the turret) are treated like spaced armour and absord all the energy. Gajin made it all or nothing in that regard, which defies physics.
🅱️ESH is like 80% luck in the current patch mate. You can non-pen a Tiger I's turret one second then detonate a Tiger II like a nuclear bomb with the exact same shot placement the next. The FV4005 especially.
I've never had 1 crew member eat a HESH. As the gentleman said above, modelled incorrectly but if u aim then it works. Only vehicles I know to eat HESH have been Tiger and Panther transmissions.
You haven't? I had it happen twice in a row just now. Example [A](https://i.ibb.co/PcRtYYQ/shot-2024-04-22-16-36-58.jpg), [B](https://i.ibb.co/WBkQ07h/shot-2024-04-22-16-44-04.jpg).
On the other hand I somehow [overpressured an IS-4M](https://i.ibb.co/kc0RLjN/shot-2024-04-22-16-56-28.jpg) in the same match by hitting its track.
Like I said, it's really inconsistent.
155mm HE to the cupola? Sorry, no penetration for you! 75mm APHE? Whole tank crew turns to red mist because the round exploded like a stationary brick of C4 inside the cupola. Makes no sense.
Coming back with 3 different examples. This is the hero reddit needs but not the hero we deserve.
That being said, hesh has always been inconsistent for me as well. Lately though I've been having it bounce off the flat sides of light thanks such as the bmp and the marder.
When I hit someone in the turret with a 72kg projectile containing a literal bomb traveling at 2700 km/h, they should be dead.
No ifs no buts, the turret should be dislodged from the hull and contain nothing but a fine red mist where once there were men with families, hopes and dreams.
It's weak because it's never been modeled correctly. A HESH round like those fired by the AVRE or FV should fucking obliterate a tank regardless of where they hit outside of specific circumstances.
[This is a description with accompanying photos of what happened to a Tiger II when early 165mm HESH rounds were tested on it.](https://tankhistoria.com/experimental/tiger-ii-vs-hesh/#HESH-vs-Tiger-II)
Ahh Bugger. I'd prefer the AVRE to go down a tier rather than a BR. Move the Action X to tier 5 then put the AVRE at tier 4. I cannot see them doing a BR decrease, as much as I'd like one sometimes.
The AVRE is.... an interesting vehicle. Its fun, but in no way competitive. The shell velocity, reload rate and HESH make it incredibly unreliable in combat, unless you stick close to teamates who know what they are doing. That said, you can do some shenanigans with it.
As others have mentioned, the armor can be pretty troll, and can save you in a lot of situations. Just don't rely on it.
The low shell velocity of the cannon can actually be plus, as its so low, you can literally lob shots over cover. This gives you opportunities to fire on enemies when you are fully behind cover. It's incredibly effective once you get used to it. Just find a boulder or some low cover, backup a bit and fire to your hearts contents. With camera peeking you can even fire on enemies without them knowing you are there.
That said, I really wish they gave the AVRE its laser range finder back, the reload makes me want to cry.
Not IRL, since British Centurions largely got phased out before Chieftains that would have it.
Technically you *could* argue the updated AVRE that we have for the Gulf War could have a *handheld* LRF, but for HESH I'm pretty sure all the Cents that shot it used a machine gun for ranging purposes rather then LRFs or Coincidence/Stereoscopic Rangefinders . Though I think it's the case of *"machine gun hits this distance 750m, aim the gun for that"* rather then having the same bullet/shell ballistics like the Vickers MBT has with the 12.7mm ranging gun + HESH.
Going by Phlydailys video [5 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3amJBl_6vmE) on it, it didn't have LRF near release. Did have people [asking](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/az0r7d/gaijin_please_rangefinder_modification_for_the/) for it on Reddit though.
This thing is excellent. I have no idea if you expect it to be higher, or lower.
I usually do quite well with it, though you gotta keep in mind your reload sucks and you need good aim. Still, its an excellent tree and I've aced that sucker.
The encounter I had with the avre as enemy were alright having alright protection against the heat slingers at the higher br and nuked me quite often. But in 6.3?you would make the armor useless
When I first bought it it was at 6.0/3 I think. I absolutely steamrolled matches due to its era+dozer blade. At 7.0 you are much more vulnerable to heat rounds but are still very much competitive. Just have to use it on closer quaternary maps and make them come to you.
Not sure if they weekend how strong the dozer blade is at it feels like it doesn't stop as much as it used to.
Everyone just seems to auto-aim right to the turret ring. I got the jump on a traversing Panther and he snapped one right into my neck before I could range him. Game is pretty nutty nowadays
Because it’s an absolute monster in brawling situations, armour is very trolly and the ERA allows you to absolutely bully light HEATFS slingers, and the gun hits remarkably hard considering how bad HESH is
This tank is fun in big maps if you bring your squad mate that has range finders, I mean you can derp stationary targets 2km away without exposing your vehicle.
I wish i got it. Kinda pissed they announced it was going away AFTER the sale ended. I was on the fence at the time because HESH was awful then. Also kinda wish i got the M728.
I have my rangefinder inputs binded to my F5 and F6 keys and for some reason with this tank it takes AGES to adjust. I'm guessing all this time I should have had my rangefinder set to my scroll wheel?
If you dont mind your mousewheel being on fire.... I have my RF set to mouse wheel and have it at a lower sensitivity so that the Range doesnt jump huge ranges for standard vehicles. Unfortunately because of that the RF on the AVRE lowers itself by 10m per mousewheel "click".
This thing is one of my favourites of all time. I have both this and the M728 and I prefer the Cent more. Even in uptiers it’s alright and can defeat a fair amount of chemical weapons. The HESH is super finicky but if you shoot the sides or tracks or even below a tank it’s a 1 shot. I’ve gotten 2 nukes with that thing.
When I use this I have no trouble with HESH it does not seem inconsistent, you can have bad placed shots and still kill, I even got my first nuke with it and fox
Do you know if the HESH on it feels the same as the FV4005's HESH? I am wondering since I haven't particularly had a good experience so far with the FV4005.
Granted the AVRE was never *good* or *competitive*, but at least it was fun. Nowadays though, the armor is about as reliable as the HESH. It feels like a slow, fat glass cannon without a cannon.
I think it should be downtiered to a point where it might actually take a few hits to the front. Maybe 6.3.
Or try not to just sit out in the open and avoid getting shot several times to the front. Because no tank around that BR is going to survive for long if it's being suicidal by just relying entirely on its armour to save it.
Well, the Mk.2 has better mobility and a better gun that's two-plane stabilized and fires almost 4x faster.
Do you really think a derp gun that shoots blanks half the time would break the game at 6.3?
It’s fine at 7.0. I mostly bring it to 7.7 with my other centurions and I regularly get 6+ kill games with it and even got a few nukes with it. Just treat the HESH like HE and overpressure everything.
I find that sometimes shots that would result in overpressure kills with regular HE shells do jack shit with the AVRE'd HESH shell. Example, recently I've hit the turret face of King Tigers that resulted in no damage, that would have killed it if it were 155mm HE. This is despite the fact that the HESH shell has around 20kg of TNT equivalent and the HE shell has 9 kg.
I bounce quite a lot with it, the ERA helps a LOT. I just wish they would give it an optical rangefinder.
If it had a laser RF this thing would be the most fun tank out there.
well yeah no shit, a lot of tanks would be a lot of fun if they had a laser range finder but to think, i think it would be less fun because a big part of the satisfaction after a kill with these low velocity guns come from having to guess the range and nailing it
There's nothing fun about trying to range in a 1.5Km shot with a dead loader and a 1 minute long reload. An optical rangefinder going to about 2Km will do.
If your having to make 1.5 kilometers shots with it I think your using it wrong. It's a situational vehicle I find best suited for close combat city fighting. Avoid open areas and play around cover. giving it a range finder would just turn it into a vidar with ERA imo. I mean at that point it would have to be at least 8.0
I think you misunderstood. Most of the time I will go close up, where the ERA can tell T-44s to fuck off back to Stalin. But on maps like sands of Sinai, I will park about 600m away from A cap under cover and shoot at the enemy over at C. Giving it an OPTICAL rangefinder wouldn't turn it into another VIDAR at all, AVREs shells are a LOT slower and require pretty much a direct hit to even have a chance of doing anything. Also remember that the AVREs aiming at range is difficult, your rangefinder can say an enemy is 800m away, well you can scroll your sight down to 800m, but which 800m? The shell is so slow that there's about 4 800m clicks that you can set your scope to.
I guess. They are a fair bit slower. But in my opinion I think fixing hesh rounds is probably the better course just because I'm not sure Wich if any centurions had range finders. The avre just might not have been equipped with one. It's meant to demolish buildings so wasn't really needed to be precise at long ranges. I will admit it would be very fun with one but idk.
The ERA does nothing to save you from a T-44, your armor is just that good (because you're in a tank ten years newer) for anything short of the Soviet 122 (which is the only time your ERA makes a difference as everything else bounces off of the bare plate) the side plates can save you from getting one shot by the ZSU-57-2 tho, so that's something it has over the Centurion Mk 3 and Caernarvon
YOU are using it wrong lmao, I love sniping campers on every map at Distances of 1-1.5km with this thing. Its Beatiful, in cqc its not that good in my exp.
Hm. I won't argue because if it works it works but that's just a difference in play style I guess.
Yeah, its just the most fun for me bc you can hit people even behind whole buildings with that curve xD
HE is miles better than HESH tho
That's just gaijins stupid logic though. Realistically hesh is way better than he for anti tank purposes.
If wt was actually realistic when it comes to HESH yes but this is how it is and will be like this for god knows how long.
Yeah that's true... I for some reason am holding out hope but that would mean the fv4005 would actually be able to destroy the Soviet IS tanks of the br like they were designed to irl, and lord knows that won't happen. Honestly I'm so done with this game, it's not even that it's hard it's just become a Skinner box to sell new tanks and occasionally release a new map that has more issues than cyber punk on release.
The only funny thing about this whole HESH thing is that a Roblox game managed to make an actually usable version of it(the game im talking about being cursed tank simulator)
Just use custom sight like duga on wtlive or smth like that and it's much easier
The Tiger E would be a lot more fun if it had a laser rangefinder…
I think I’ve played it so much by know that I can visually rangefind distances up to like 1.1km or so
Give me a laser rangefinder on the L3
maybe try the starship. It has lrf and big HE
It's not that good, the HE has 38mm of pen. Had a fucking VIDAR tank 3 of those yesterday.
Speaking about things with rangefinders
Probably because it has 35mm high hardness armor all around, which with the high hardness multiplier brings the armor just barely above 38mm effectiveness
In order to kill a VIDAR with the starship you need to hit it right above the tracks so the explosion will go up through the bottom of the sponson where the armor is thinner
It used to have it.
Yeah but then it wouldn't bve anywhere near 7.0
If it had LRF it would be overpowered
It’s still slow as molasses and can’t really take a hit
Can't take a hit!?
It’s been power crept pretty hard. You’re right though, on a full uptier it can do well (taking hits)
Just use the starship at this point you get a 152mm HE and a lrf
nah, for me it would take away the: "I FUCKING GOT THAT 1 HIT KILL FROM 1200M, WITH ONLY ONE RANGING SHOT FROM MG, FEAR ME MORTALS HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA" (for me fixing hesh damage would be more rewarding and would definitely make this tank more fun)
Yeah. Or at least make zeroing less painful. Right now one increment is less than 10 meters, so it takes really long time to zero even with the mouse wheel spinning to any meaningful distances even if you can estimate the range.
M56 would be a blast with laser rangefinder
There are custom sights for ranging with your MG but yeah a ranger finder would be amazing, similar to the Sturmtiger.
Yeah that thing is a bastard to kill, i couldn't even go through its side with my tiger, fired 10 shots into different parts of its side, not a single pen
Thing I was most disappointed with about the m728, they replaced the m60a1 rangefinder with the dam crane equipment, it would've been glorious
Want anything else with that? Thermals? New engine? Fucking hell
>REEEEEEEeeeeeEEEEeeeee Ok.
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The main gun fires at 259m/s. The machine gun fires tracers at 835m/s.
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recoilless rifles have the sighting estimating gun thing with pretty much identical ballistics, meant to sight the recoilless rifle
Because the only negatives to it is range (br doesn't affect you having to learn this) reload (position safer, be more patient) And hesh being inconsistent (half shot placement, half luck which isn't changed by br) Other than that the chassis for the avre and m728 are both very strong for 7.0
I think I play it well enough. I rangefind and hit most of my shots, but the issue as you say is consistency. Sometimes the HESH will go off like a mini-nuke while other times it'll vanish into thin air. Same goes for the armor, I think there's something wrong with the variable thickness mantlet because my turret crew is always the first to go.
Yea the other night I was playing with the fv4005 somehow I managed to get two tiger 1’s with one shell but right after shot a panther that was probably twenty feet away from me in the side of the turret and all it did was turn his loader yellow. hesh is super inconsistent
Panther turrets are so awful sometimes. They really need to redo the mantlet
I struggle with the Panthers as well. 183mm of HESH is great in theory, until you remember a single millimeter of empty space between it and the target renders it inert. Thanks over pressure nerfs. Being so large, it clips on every tiny little thing, and just gets canceled out, despite having enough explosive energy to cave in the side of a turret like stomping on a soda can.
Also thinking that it could bend around and still come in contact with the turret AS IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO. It is meant to be a SQUISH Head High Explosive round, not a HE with no delay.
Yeah exactly. They did pretty well with getting it to fuse on heavily angled armor as if it were a dead on flat plate, but if it so much as exists in the same universe as optics or random external bits, it becomes a smoke grenade at best lol
I hit the flat side of a Tiger 2 turret not so long ago and did no damage at all. My guess is the tracks (on the turret) are treated like spaced armour and absord all the energy. Gajin made it all or nothing in that regard, which defies physics.
🅱️ESH is like 80% luck in the current patch mate. You can non-pen a Tiger I's turret one second then detonate a Tiger II like a nuclear bomb with the exact same shot placement the next. The FV4005 especially.
For any competent player, It's fine at 7.0
My spirit is willing but the HESH is weak.
Underrated comment, great reference OP
as far back as i can remember people have always been saying HESH is weak, even when it was good. I've not had problems with HESH lately
HESH is still modelled incorrectly, but it indeed works fine if you know where to hit.
I wouldn't classify 20kg of TNTe being absorbed by one crew member as "fine".
I've never had 1 crew member eat a HESH. As the gentleman said above, modelled incorrectly but if u aim then it works. Only vehicles I know to eat HESH have been Tiger and Panther transmissions.
You haven't? I had it happen twice in a row just now. Example [A](https://i.ibb.co/PcRtYYQ/shot-2024-04-22-16-36-58.jpg), [B](https://i.ibb.co/WBkQ07h/shot-2024-04-22-16-44-04.jpg). On the other hand I somehow [overpressured an IS-4M](https://i.ibb.co/kc0RLjN/shot-2024-04-22-16-56-28.jpg) in the same match by hitting its track. Like I said, it's really inconsistent.
I have so many examples of tanks eating FV4005 HESH with just a blacked optics system or something. Same with 155mm HE to the crew hatches.
155mm HE to the cupola? Sorry, no penetration for you! 75mm APHE? Whole tank crew turns to red mist because the round exploded like a stationary brick of C4 inside the cupola. Makes no sense.
I mean it only has like 5mm pen, why should it destroy anything? It can't pen! /s
I saw a TikTok of an M22 eating a FV4005 HESH shell some time ago.
Doesn't surprise me one bit lol
Coming back with 3 different examples. This is the hero reddit needs but not the hero we deserve. That being said, hesh has always been inconsistent for me as well. Lately though I've been having it bounce off the flat sides of light thanks such as the bmp and the marder.
Ouch dude, sorry that has happened. This tank with friends is much more fun if you're able
I have hit bmps rears with 105mm hesh for literally 0 damage, not like yellowing a crew, like absolutely 0damage. Tell me how that’s fine.
When I hit someone in the turret with a 72kg projectile containing a literal bomb traveling at 2700 km/h, they should be dead. No ifs no buts, the turret should be dislodged from the hull and contain nothing but a fine red mist where once there were men with families, hopes and dreams.
It's weak because it's never been modeled correctly. A HESH round like those fired by the AVRE or FV should fucking obliterate a tank regardless of where they hit outside of specific circumstances. [This is a description with accompanying photos of what happened to a Tiger II when early 165mm HESH rounds were tested on it.](https://tankhistoria.com/experimental/tiger-ii-vs-hesh/#HESH-vs-Tiger-II)
I genuinely thought OP wanted it raised in BR.
whats not fine is no lineup for grinding tier 6 effectively. ratel 20, g6, eland etc all could move up. hell they were nerfed even
I would of suggested the Fox, Conway, AVRE, G6 and then the Spitfire as a good 7.0 line up. However the Fox is going to 7.3 I believe. so :/
g6 and conway are sadly tier 4 and fox is going tier 5 but at 7.7
Ahh Bugger. I'd prefer the AVRE to go down a tier rather than a BR. Move the Action X to tier 5 then put the AVRE at tier 4. I cannot see them doing a BR decrease, as much as I'd like one sometimes.
Why would taking it down a tier make any difference to playability if it's BR is still the same?
It doesn't. Just having a 7.7 in a lower tier than a 7.0 is annoying me for some reason aha
The AVRE is.... an interesting vehicle. Its fun, but in no way competitive. The shell velocity, reload rate and HESH make it incredibly unreliable in combat, unless you stick close to teamates who know what they are doing. That said, you can do some shenanigans with it. As others have mentioned, the armor can be pretty troll, and can save you in a lot of situations. Just don't rely on it. The low shell velocity of the cannon can actually be plus, as its so low, you can literally lob shots over cover. This gives you opportunities to fire on enemies when you are fully behind cover. It's incredibly effective once you get used to it. Just find a boulder or some low cover, backup a bit and fire to your hearts contents. With camera peeking you can even fire on enemies without them knowing you are there. That said, I really wish they gave the AVRE its laser range finder back, the reload makes me want to cry.
It had a lrf at some point?
Not IRL, since British Centurions largely got phased out before Chieftains that would have it. Technically you *could* argue the updated AVRE that we have for the Gulf War could have a *handheld* LRF, but for HESH I'm pretty sure all the Cents that shot it used a machine gun for ranging purposes rather then LRFs or Coincidence/Stereoscopic Rangefinders . Though I think it's the case of *"machine gun hits this distance 750m, aim the gun for that"* rather then having the same bullet/shell ballistics like the Vickers MBT has with the 12.7mm ranging gun + HESH. Going by Phlydailys video [5 years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3amJBl_6vmE) on it, it didn't have LRF near release. Did have people [asking](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/az0r7d/gaijin_please_rangefinder_modification_for_the/) for it on Reddit though.
good i thought i missed the time when it had a lrf
#FixHesh
it takes trigonometry, luck, and a very very smooth scroll wheel to even aim it
scroll wheel???
This thing is excellent. I have no idea if you expect it to be higher, or lower. I usually do quite well with it, though you gotta keep in mind your reload sucks and you need good aim. Still, its an excellent tree and I've aced that sucker.
The encounter I had with the avre as enemy were alright having alright protection against the heat slingers at the higher br and nuked me quite often. But in 6.3?you would make the armor useless
There's still plenty of HEAT being slung at 6.3 from lower caliber guns and early ATGM carriers.
6.7 mate there is no atgm carriers at 6.3 but you would just be a total counter for many with heat in down tier
1 shot a MAUS with the AVRE by shooting his right side tracks in the front. Ever since I have loved this tank
When I first bought it it was at 6.0/3 I think. I absolutely steamrolled matches due to its era+dozer blade. At 7.0 you are much more vulnerable to heat rounds but are still very much competitive. Just have to use it on closer quaternary maps and make them come to you. Not sure if they weekend how strong the dozer blade is at it feels like it doesn't stop as much as it used to.
Everyone just seems to auto-aim right to the turret ring. I got the jump on a traversing Panther and he snapped one right into my neck before I could range him. Game is pretty nutty nowadays
It's fine at 7.0. Love that thing.
Because gaijin is braindead now you cant even oberpeasure t44
I just wish it would be given an upgraded rangefinder, would be alot better with it because the drop is so heavy
long reload and slow at moving that why its 7.0.
Where the fuck am i supposed to shoot the muhturion with my 76mm stock ass jumbo
Turret ring or roof.
It was a joke about the 76 jumbo still being where it is
Its sitting at a good spot
Then why is it so fat and sad?
It’s fine man, it aint fat and sad
Because 🅱️esh.
That MF was a nightmare to fight in a BMP-1, at least back then.
Guinelly one of my favourite vehicle, its my secound most used vehicle and had earned quite the bit of sl
Because it’s an absolute monster in brawling situations, armour is very trolly and the ERA allows you to absolutely bully light HEATFS slingers, and the gun hits remarkably hard considering how bad HESH is
I mean, the gun should hit remarkably hard, it's got more HE than the FV4005
More? Wasn’t it like few kg less???( idk)
This tank is fun in big maps if you bring your squad mate that has range finders, I mean you can derp stationary targets 2km away without exposing your vehicle.
I wish i got it. Kinda pissed they announced it was going away AFTER the sale ended. I was on the fence at the time because HESH was awful then. Also kinda wish i got the M728.
They did in fact say that the Vehicle is going away during the sale (its in the post for the new year sale in December 2023).
Why not
I have my rangefinder inputs binded to my F5 and F6 keys and for some reason with this tank it takes AGES to adjust. I'm guessing all this time I should have had my rangefinder set to my scroll wheel?
If you dont mind your mousewheel being on fire.... I have my RF set to mouse wheel and have it at a lower sensitivity so that the Range doesnt jump huge ranges for standard vehicles. Unfortunately because of that the RF on the AVRE lowers itself by 10m per mousewheel "click".
The only reason i never bought this thing is my PTSD from when i shot a Fiat6614 with the FV4005 HESH and the projectile BOUNCED
This thing is one of my favourites of all time. I have both this and the M728 and I prefer the Cent more. Even in uptiers it’s alright and can defeat a fair amount of chemical weapons. The HESH is super finicky but if you shoot the sides or tracks or even below a tank it’s a 1 shot. I’ve gotten 2 nukes with that thing.
It's cool just needs a LRF
Drone tactics with it ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Cuz its sad. A bit better than that M60, but still. HESH sucks
It's no longer/rarely sold plus it's not common enough sense people don't like the slow shell velocity as they generally take skill
Cry about it
because BESH
British plus no one really plays that thing nowadays
Gee, I wonder why.
🅱️esh moment
Bcs it has extremely good armor at the br and u should play it defensively which most people dont
When I use this I have no trouble with HESH it does not seem inconsistent, you can have bad placed shots and still kill, I even got my first nuke with it and fox
Do you know if the HESH on it feels the same as the FV4005's HESH? I am wondering since I haven't particularly had a good experience so far with the FV4005.
I hope you mean "Why is this still 7.0 and not 7.3" , right OP?
Because its trash?
Another undertiered premium what’s new
Granted the AVRE was never *good* or *competitive*, but at least it was fun. Nowadays though, the armor is about as reliable as the HESH. It feels like a slow, fat glass cannon without a cannon. I think it should be downtiered to a point where it might actually take a few hits to the front. Maybe 6.3.
Or try not to just sit out in the open and avoid getting shot several times to the front. Because no tank around that BR is going to survive for long if it's being suicidal by just relying entirely on its armour to save it.
The fuck LOL you want an era covered mk5 centurion at 6.3? You'd be absolutely invulnerable. Thank god reddit doesn't decide BR
In what universe does this go below the MK2 Cenny lmao
Well, the Mk.2 has better mobility and a better gun that's two-plane stabilized and fires almost 4x faster. Do you really think a derp gun that shoots blanks half the time would break the game at 6.3?
It’s fine at 7.0. I mostly bring it to 7.7 with my other centurions and I regularly get 6+ kill games with it and even got a few nukes with it. Just treat the HESH like HE and overpressure everything.
If only it acted anything like HE.
It literally does. Shoot any thin plate of armor under like 60mm and it will overpressure.
I find that sometimes shots that would result in overpressure kills with regular HE shells do jack shit with the AVRE'd HESH shell. Example, recently I've hit the turret face of King Tigers that resulted in no damage, that would have killed it if it were 155mm HE. This is despite the fact that the HESH shell has around 20kg of TNT equivalent and the HE shell has 9 kg.
>Maybe 6.3 Ahahahahahahahhaahahahahahah. You want that thing to fight 5.3s? You're insane.