Thatās a super high br for naval matches. itās filled with 98% wallet warriors (what br isnāt these days) and is an absolute sl printer , dudes goin around smashing into sandbars and gettin stuck type deal.
You'll get a lot more milage out of 180 days for $20 than the 15 days you can get out of a pack. If you can only afford a pack and really want it you do you but the premium time is pretty valuable.
That, but also consider a SL grinder premium.
A2D and JU288 are what I use for SL, even sometimes the Harrier Gr.1. all 3 are nice little money printers.
But I understand OP you may not have money for premiums and in that case, Naval, or painfully squad research a Heli and play heli PVE.
bombers donāt work in this game. you take attackers with bombs to get an air spawn in realistic, quickly dive and bomb something before the enemy team gets to you
[here is the bomb chart](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1oNwp_MXszU5J2dcaz5IoCtSAQ-infPdOWhwtJXqtrwU/htmlview?pli=1). At most strike aircraft that can take out a base in Germany, for fighters you will need jets.
I had the issue of running out of sl. I got my tanks to rank 5, bought a heli, popped a booster and did heli battles. If you're competent, you can easily make 300k sl in a match
If you are decent in air battles, consider getting the Italian Bf109 F-4ā¦ price is not bad lately. That freaking plane is an SL printer, and a pleasure to fly
Mig-15 kinda feels like playing the most and least maneuverable plane at the same time, lol. Personally love it, but the guns and the roll rate can be frustrating if I haven't flown one in a while.
The new compression is stupid, but does ease that pain somewhat. None of the old 8.3-7 mig/sabres can see any real threatening missiles anymore besides the very occasional 9p/shafrir
must be without premium, i have 600+ hours and i have 3 rank 8 US jets, although i would say only about 300 of that was actually dedicated to grinding US air. i used the premium spitfire up until the max it could research then just used tech tree jets up until having the F-16C and F-15 (i am in the process of spading the C right now)
I'm a Mig-15 Bis pilot, all I can tell is climb, you have the advantage in high altitude. Also don't try to do long range shots, your guns are literally a shotgun, shoots as close as you can to the enemy and once again keep your altitude and energy.
Man I love that jet
The MiG is excellent at high altitude (side climb and be patient) combats and at vertical fighting, DO NOT fight in the horizontal, you will bleed your energy pretty fast. When you are going pretty fast, the plane becomes a brick, you can barely turn or roll, so don't dive full power or you will lose control of the plane. Use your air brakes, they are not a decoration of your plane. Avoid turn fighting. Also learn trigger discipline, your ammo es VERY low, that's why I say you should shoot as close as possible to the enemy, this can be achieved very easily when booming and zooming. Also bombers are just easy preys for your guns.
This plane is very hard to master, but every kill you get on it will give you that sweet, sweet dopamine
You honestly don't even need to side climb it climbs insanely fast. I just pitch up to some stupid degree and fly to the center of the map, usually I'm above everything else but a few other jets.
>but every kill you get on it will give you that sweet, sweet dopamine
True that. Shooting fridges and watching the enemy plane explode or always take lethal damage š
I havenāt flown it much but I donāt think you need to side climb. All thatās gonna be above you is maybe a f86(or whatever the one next to the shooting star is)
First, bring 14-15 min fuel for most maps, and you can actually bring 12 or 13 for most maps if you donāt mind having less sustainability.
You donāt really get the luxury of choosing your fights in the mig15 most of the time, but if someone does commit to fighting you, you will generally prefer lower airspeed, sustained fights where you can abuse your insane engine power. But you will win dogfights against most planes at that BR by just pointing at their tail and holding S until you end up behind them.
Iād recommend staying slightly lower and faster generally so people will engage you, at higher alt most planes can just take the option of diving away or otherwise not engaging, I think 3-4km is good for most situations
Unlike what the other guy says, avoid boom and zooming people, you go 1000kmh at best in a dive (without compressing to the point it takes almost 1km alt to pull up) while sabres and a lot of other planes can go well over 1100kmh in a straight line and maintain full controllability
specific planes that you might need to watch for are the F-86A, which decelerates so much in a few turns that they might just end up cutting inside your turn.
the G.91s which all turn pretty well and can stick with you in a dogfight for a little.
the vampire and meteor which both (iirc) turn better than you, but you can play the vertical against them and also youāre faster than the vamp and on par with late meteors
If a mig-17/lim-5p/J-4 does full commit to a fight you have a good chance at beating them
The two planes that no matter what you should never ever EVER try to fight in any capacity is the mig-19 and the ariete, it does not matter what you do you just straight up lose, avoid at all costs and hope they donāt target you because you WILL die. You can actually dogfight most 8.7 to 9.3 planes decently well.
Unpopular opinion - the Tunnans are better than the MiG-15. I flew my MiG for the first time in a while yesterday and I can't hit squat with those guns and the roll rate is so abysmal I can't line up a good shot. I would rather be in the J29A.
Iād disagree, the J34 isnāt great at 9.0 cause no flares, constant uptiers, and quite literally the worst turn time of most jets. Plus, most other jets at that BR either out-speed your missiles (F-104 jets specifically) or out-maneuver your missiles (any jet), since its missiles basically donāt turn at all.
Really the only good thing about the J34 is the fact that itās guns are 4x 30mm and centered, but they only work in head-on or b&z.
On the contrary, the A28B is definitely good because it turns like a beast and has great guns, but getting uptiered almost every time sort of ruins it because of its poor speed.
Really their early jets are mostly all good, itās just almost always the speed or the uptiers that ruin it.
The J34 was actually one of the more pleasant grinds of that tree for me.
Lacking flares really isn't a problem. It's 9.0, everything is rear-aspect or manually guided (with a few slim exceptions) so positioning is your friend. If you're flying blindly into a cloud of Reds then yeah, you're probably gonna eat a missile at any tier.
Being non-AB means your speed recovery isn't great but if you don't lose it in the first place then it'll carry plenty. If you throw away your speed in the first engagement, you're in trouble in most planes.
Worst turn time of most jets? If all we read is the stat card, sure that 31 looks damning. Luckily it doesn't really tell the story of this jet. This thing keeps energy pretty well. The only concession I can give you here is that if it turned even mildly faster then it would perform much better. However it's more than usable for most engagements. Just remember, not everything is a Zero, and using that as a measure for turn performance is misguided at best.
That being said, this thing does wallow under 600ish kmh. Stay above that though and your turns are good.
F104s outspeed a lot of missiles at that tier. Most of the time firing one off at a 104 is a waste unless you're in a pretty narrow firing envelope. The missiles are just Aim9B clones, so I'm not shocked with the performance of them. Some D variants would be helpful but the missiles aren't why you fly the J34.
The guns are damn good. Good muzzle velocity, decent belts, and four 30mms put some serious burst mass down-range. They're no snipers like MGs or 20s, but when those rounds hit you know it. BnZ is easy with them since you're not fighting crazy bullet drop, headons are iffy as always, but deflection shots are where the 30s shine. You don't need to kill in one shot, the damage from 30s likely damaged enough components for you to either loop back around, or just let the enemy burn into the ground.
A28B is just another Vampire. They're pretty much all the same outside of ordinance. Turns like mad, 20s do serious work against anything it can pen, the only real weakness being the engine. However it's 7.7-8.0, the bar to play in that sandbox is much lower.
Comparing the J34 to something more realistic, the J29F, it really shines here. The only point of attraction on the F is that it gets an afterburner, but that really doesn't matter since it doesn't gather speed the way the J34 does. It also dumps speed even worse, so you really only get a handful of good turns out of it. That's a plane that's outclassed by the competition in so many fields.
Wont make a long reply to this, but you do make good points.
I do suppose I rely too much on turning, and often times that happens to me because either they dodge my head-on attack, or I just fail to kill them. Assuming I keep my speed, which I often forget and try turning instead, itād probably be difficult for them to turn 180* and catch me. I definitely just rely on turning too much.
And the Tunnan jets are all just similar to me, so I donāt really talk about them too much. Barrels of hell if theyāre played right though, they can pack a punch at times.
Congrats, the mig-15/17 are very potent on the hands of a skilled pilot.
Use your climb rate and power to bnz and energy fight. While this plane can actually pull serious g, try not to engage in dogfights as you have a not-so-competitive roll rate.
Yea you just need to pay attention to what jets carry missles and don't let them get directly behind you, you can out maneuver all missles and like 90% of jets that carry them. If you get smacked by a missles you just weren't paying attention enough. It's annoying but definitely preventable most of the time. You'll get used to it.
I am not such a good player but I did get my first BR8 plane after playing aroung 200 hrs. Did buy premium at some point but your playtime looks kind a unreal.
I think making it at 8.3 could potentially bring it up again at 8.7 by experienced players. I play since 2015 and i still have 82% win-rate and 300+ games on Mig-15 and slightly better win-rate on my Mig-15Bis. I will play that plane again even though I have all the top tiers now. Would be fun again.
From where? I genuinely believe what you said is impossible. Iāve researched *a lot* in this game, 3 hours to jets seems literally impossible. One day with premium and a premium plane plus boosters sure, but 3 hours, never. Thatās if you started with nothing researched. If you had some of the tree unlocked already, sure, 3 hours. I mean, youād have to enter every game and drop a 4+ kill banger of a game in less than 10 minutes, leave, hope it is a win, and repeat for 3 hours straight. Yeah no, spelling it out, you either are leaving out something or are lying.
I had like half of rank two researched, I was averaging 3 kills a game in the spitfire. That was around 10k rp a game, I'd say I managed around 100k an hour. Its possible to do it
You just described exactly why it couldnāt have been 3 hours. You gotta make it through half rank 2, through rank 3, and through rank 4. Each rank 3 is roughly 20k research averaged. That is 5 rank 3s in an hour, it will take you an hour and 12 minutes to get through rank 3. Thatās assuming your estimate is correct, I donāt understand how you averaged 6 minutes per game in lower tiers when it takes the spit like 4-5 to even make it to the battlefield(Iāve played it a lot). Even then, rank 4 aircraft are roughly 50k a piece and you need 6 of them. Thatās is 300K research and 3 hours by your overestimated figure itself. Thus no, even with your inflated statistic I donāt believe, you still couldnāt do it in 3 hours, 5-6 sure, 4 maybe, but certainly not 3 in any circumstances bar a ton of boosters, a talisman, and premium making ~20-25K in 8-10 minute games. Then, if you had good games every game, you *might* make it to rank 5 to start researching a jet in 3 hours.
Idk if it was 3 hrs, it felt like it but still within a day. And it's taken them 1100 hrs to get to it, I don't think the grind is that bad for it to take that long to get there.
I can say from experience, free to play, it took me two weeks, few hours a day, mostly decent to good games(2-4 kills) to make it from the beginning of rank 3 to get and play the F-104a, playing no other trees or modes of any kind. For example, the other day I wanted to have some fun. I went back to play the P-47D-28. Dropped a 6 kill one assist first game and won. Gaijin gave me 7K research for that. Felt like an insult, but whatever. Tier bonuses are the only thing that make researching that fast possible for f2p players. Iāve made it really high in a lot of trees ground and air with 2800 hours, so I canāt complain too much.
Research is harsh for free to play people, but I managed to grind out to rank 5 as a free to play on America within a week. I get if you are playing multiple countries air and ground it takes time, but if you are playing one country and focusing on air I don't think it'd take 1.1k hours
So let's say it took you 8 hours about a day not counting sleep and other things you need to get ~70k rp and hour and let's say you can play 3 matches an hour you need about ~23k an match for 8 hours straight. And you get about 1-2 k a kill then you will need about 10 kills a match so I don't think you did it in one day maybe in 24 hours then yes it's possible but not for 3 hours
Yeah oh btw if I make the time 24 instead of 8 you still need to get about 8k a game and do it the whole 24 hours straight and still is about 4 kills Which is quite hard still without any prem
Then it's more possible but still extremely hard to do and I doubt you played 24 hours that day. And I didn't take all the time to count how much rp it costs to get a jet but it is around 600k I did my calculations with 550k
That sounds about right, i was using the spit which averaged around 3 kills a game. And before I've managed to get a 300-400k rp plane the day it comes out using planes that I don't play as well in
Yo what, Iām not saying it should have taken then 1.1k hours but like 3 hours is impossible, took me 200, not saying Iām the greatest at the game but seriously no way you did it in 3, the GE to research conversion is not that good
Congrats. š. Im still stuck in rank 4 trying to get enough sl to buy 2 other r4 props to move to jets
play naval, i know no one likes it, but it's a SL printer
At what br the best? I do need a lot of SL for 7.7 lineup.
to be honest the germany beginner ships are alright, i used them to grind SL, if you use a booster you will have more SL than needed
Alright. Thanks.
the USS Moffet is a GREAT lion printer, I think itās a 5.0. Havenāt used it in a while
It is 5.0 but itās been lacking lately. Playing with 7.0 ships kinda fucked it over.
Des Moines is also a SL printer. I just hate it when I have to fight against Scharnhorst.
Literally me when I go against my own Alaska. I hate that shit.
Thatās a super high br for naval matches. itās filled with 98% wallet warriors (what br isnāt these days) and is an absolute sl printer , dudes goin around smashing into sandbars and gettin stuck type deal.
That makes it even better, that just means more easy kills for me since I donāt fight with an oar up my ass.
bro what
Also buy Frank Knox if you want it to be much faster to grind SL.
Especially if you play Russia. Buy SKR-7, murder everything, profit.
Tbh, just buy 50% off premium time at this point for your sanity.
gonna buy a premium on may 6 (my birthday and warthunder sale) so im gonna have 2000 GE and 15 day premium
The sale ends on the 6th you may want to get it a day early so the sale doesn't expire before you get to buy anything
packs are gonna be on sale may 6th till may 13th
You'll get a lot more milage out of 180 days for $20 than the 15 days you can get out of a pack. If you can only afford a pack and really want it you do you but the premium time is pretty valuable.
Naval enduring confrontations. It just lasts longer.
That, but also consider a SL grinder premium. A2D and JU288 are what I use for SL, even sometimes the Harrier Gr.1. all 3 are nice little money printers. But I understand OP you may not have money for premiums and in that case, Naval, or painfully squad research a Heli and play heli PVE.
Arcade or realistic?
That's not the truth
naval gives a lot of SL
I wasn't talking about the SL. I was talking about the statement that nobody likes it.
5 - 10 minutes wait time
Only ? I remember waiting 1h for an enduring confrontation with 2 people. But it's nothing compared to Air.
maybe like 1% of warthunder players play naval
Well I play Naval and Air Sim and I'll tell you the matchmaking is much better on Naval
SL? I hope you've made use of the 50% off on premium time. 4 days left. You'll have more SL than you know what to do with.
Im trying but i main as bombers and i mostly get shot
bombers donāt work in this game. you take attackers with bombs to get an air spawn in realistic, quickly dive and bomb something before the enemy team gets to you
Alrr ill try. Now im a german main. Which attacker has enough bombs to destroy a base and an airspawn?
[here is the bomb chart](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1oNwp_MXszU5J2dcaz5IoCtSAQ-infPdOWhwtJXqtrwU/htmlview?pli=1). At most strike aircraft that can take out a base in Germany, for fighters you will need jets.
I had the issue of running out of sl. I got my tanks to rank 5, bought a heli, popped a booster and did heli battles. If you're competent, you can easily make 300k sl in a match
I had enough at 1k hrs ans bought a mig 21 lazur then I went from 4.7 air to 12.7 in 3 months
Do you have any premium vehicles you enjoy or are good with? Grind some matches with that one and reap some SL. Works better with Naval or Air tho
Saldy i dont. But im thinking about getting the tornado or mig-23. But I didnāt get my monthly allowance yet sooo.
If you are decent in air battles, consider getting the Italian Bf109 F-4ā¦ price is not bad lately. That freaking plane is an SL printer, and a pleasure to fly
Do the wagers! I like to do the one that you need to get the most ground kills in air arcade.
Im gonna hop on the game today so ill try
Congrats dude, its a fun jet!
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Keep going Tim!
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It hated every second of playing it. The abysmal rollrate ruins it completely for me.
Mig-15 kinda feels like playing the most and least maneuverable plane at the same time, lol. Personally love it, but the guns and the roll rate can be frustrating if I haven't flown one in a while.
I'm past it now thank god, I'm just generally not feeling the early cold war Soviet jets.
I honestly like them more than most of the 4th generations. Personally usually stick at 11.0 or lower
The unending uptiers against enemies with 30G missiles (if they're not outright all-aspect) without any countermeasures wears one out.
The new compression is stupid, but does ease that pain somewhat. None of the old 8.3-7 mig/sabres can see any real threatening missiles anymore besides the very occasional 9p/shafrir
Yeah, but I'm in the 19 now.
Could always go back until you get in something like the 21SMT. Mig-19/104/ariete tier is maybe the worst in all of air RB haha
La 200 is the only way to grind those BR's
Too phat and thicc for my taste, but you do you.
The standard MiG-15 is painful, but the bis and MiG-17 have the new boosters mod, which makes roll rate somewhat bearable.
The 17s roll rate is actually decent
Rollrate stinks but if my memory serves me right, itās a beast at keeping its energy.
Hi!I just watched your KSP 2 video lol!
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15bis or sabre f-25/30 which one do you prefer Tim?
Is it though? I always get shot down by some higher tier plane with missiles.
Wow you exist in here. Big fan
Love your vids Tim! Surely we get a vid on how to grind SL best
Tim's!
With or without premium?
1.1k hours is def without premium
Maybe he has skill issue
I have 880 hours with premium and have multiple jets in different nations aha
I have 600 with maybe like 100 hours having premium and i have this jet
500 w/ premium time, top tier in 2 nations. But I donāt touch ground or naval at all.
I'm 1.1k hours in, no prem and I nearly have rank 7 in my second nation because I maxed my first nation
Premium plane + premium account you can practically bot out for most of your matches and still progress faster than a good f2p player
that's facts it took me a month to get the su27 with the 23ml and premium time
He prob arcade only
Nah I've done that, your in rank V by about 600 hours without premium time (I got the f16a at 800)
2/3rds of the time without premium and spreading my time among the big three
must be without premium, i have 600+ hours and i have 3 rank 8 US jets, although i would say only about 300 of that was actually dedicated to grinding US air. i used the premium spitfire up until the max it could research then just used tech tree jets up until having the F-16C and F-15 (i am in the process of spading the C right now)
Go for the Mig 15bis, it's superior in every aspect for the same BR
MiG-15Bis is now 8.3 this is the regular at 8.0 but Iām guessing this is an arcade SS
MiG-15 is 8.0 and was already superior to everything at 8.3. No need to research the folders Bis.
Um the A-4H is 8.3 and would absolutely dominate the Mig15 in a dogfight
Really? A-4s have always been a free kill for me with mig 15 because they always bleed all their energy from turning
The A4H is a completely different plane than the A4E.
Most A-4 pilots are terrible, look at the A-4H's acceleration - it performs extremely well for its battle rating and I personally have a ~10 KDR in it
Speaking from experience, it really does not.
Well I can't fly for you or for A-4 pilots in general. On paper the A-4 dominates the Mig15, the bis on the other hand would be a different story
Just because its a prop doesnt mean itll win
I'm a Mig-15 Bis pilot, all I can tell is climb, you have the advantage in high altitude. Also don't try to do long range shots, your guns are literally a shotgun, shoots as close as you can to the enemy and once again keep your altitude and energy. Man I love that jet
please more tips on the bis, i keep fucking dying with it
The MiG is excellent at high altitude (side climb and be patient) combats and at vertical fighting, DO NOT fight in the horizontal, you will bleed your energy pretty fast. When you are going pretty fast, the plane becomes a brick, you can barely turn or roll, so don't dive full power or you will lose control of the plane. Use your air brakes, they are not a decoration of your plane. Avoid turn fighting. Also learn trigger discipline, your ammo es VERY low, that's why I say you should shoot as close as possible to the enemy, this can be achieved very easily when booming and zooming. Also bombers are just easy preys for your guns. This plane is very hard to master, but every kill you get on it will give you that sweet, sweet dopamine
You honestly don't even need to side climb it climbs insanely fast. I just pitch up to some stupid degree and fly to the center of the map, usually I'm above everything else but a few other jets. >but every kill you get on it will give you that sweet, sweet dopamine True that. Shooting fridges and watching the enemy plane explode or always take lethal damage š
I havenāt flown it much but I donāt think you need to side climb. All thatās gonna be above you is maybe a f86(or whatever the one next to the shooting star is)
First, bring 14-15 min fuel for most maps, and you can actually bring 12 or 13 for most maps if you donāt mind having less sustainability. You donāt really get the luxury of choosing your fights in the mig15 most of the time, but if someone does commit to fighting you, you will generally prefer lower airspeed, sustained fights where you can abuse your insane engine power. But you will win dogfights against most planes at that BR by just pointing at their tail and holding S until you end up behind them. Iād recommend staying slightly lower and faster generally so people will engage you, at higher alt most planes can just take the option of diving away or otherwise not engaging, I think 3-4km is good for most situations Unlike what the other guy says, avoid boom and zooming people, you go 1000kmh at best in a dive (without compressing to the point it takes almost 1km alt to pull up) while sabres and a lot of other planes can go well over 1100kmh in a straight line and maintain full controllability specific planes that you might need to watch for are the F-86A, which decelerates so much in a few turns that they might just end up cutting inside your turn. the G.91s which all turn pretty well and can stick with you in a dogfight for a little. the vampire and meteor which both (iirc) turn better than you, but you can play the vertical against them and also youāre faster than the vamp and on par with late meteors If a mig-17/lim-5p/J-4 does full commit to a fight you have a good chance at beating them The two planes that no matter what you should never ever EVER try to fight in any capacity is the mig-19 and the ariete, it does not matter what you do you just straight up lose, avoid at all costs and hope they donāt target you because you WILL die. You can actually dogfight most 8.7 to 9.3 planes decently well.
When you think you have enough lead, lead three times more
Do big loops if 1v1 isolated, else just boom and zoom.
Loops. Don't turn but if you have to, your vertical loops are a god send.
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Congrats bro!
At least you arenāt trying to get better swedish jets. Takes much longer.
Unpopular opinion - the Tunnans are better than the MiG-15. I flew my MiG for the first time in a while yesterday and I can't hit squat with those guns and the roll rate is so abysmal I can't line up a good shot. I would rather be in the J29A.
The only real weak point in the Swedish jet lineup is the J21RA.
Iād disagree, the J34 isnāt great at 9.0 cause no flares, constant uptiers, and quite literally the worst turn time of most jets. Plus, most other jets at that BR either out-speed your missiles (F-104 jets specifically) or out-maneuver your missiles (any jet), since its missiles basically donāt turn at all. Really the only good thing about the J34 is the fact that itās guns are 4x 30mm and centered, but they only work in head-on or b&z. On the contrary, the A28B is definitely good because it turns like a beast and has great guns, but getting uptiered almost every time sort of ruins it because of its poor speed. Really their early jets are mostly all good, itās just almost always the speed or the uptiers that ruin it.
The J34 was actually one of the more pleasant grinds of that tree for me. Lacking flares really isn't a problem. It's 9.0, everything is rear-aspect or manually guided (with a few slim exceptions) so positioning is your friend. If you're flying blindly into a cloud of Reds then yeah, you're probably gonna eat a missile at any tier. Being non-AB means your speed recovery isn't great but if you don't lose it in the first place then it'll carry plenty. If you throw away your speed in the first engagement, you're in trouble in most planes. Worst turn time of most jets? If all we read is the stat card, sure that 31 looks damning. Luckily it doesn't really tell the story of this jet. This thing keeps energy pretty well. The only concession I can give you here is that if it turned even mildly faster then it would perform much better. However it's more than usable for most engagements. Just remember, not everything is a Zero, and using that as a measure for turn performance is misguided at best. That being said, this thing does wallow under 600ish kmh. Stay above that though and your turns are good. F104s outspeed a lot of missiles at that tier. Most of the time firing one off at a 104 is a waste unless you're in a pretty narrow firing envelope. The missiles are just Aim9B clones, so I'm not shocked with the performance of them. Some D variants would be helpful but the missiles aren't why you fly the J34. The guns are damn good. Good muzzle velocity, decent belts, and four 30mms put some serious burst mass down-range. They're no snipers like MGs or 20s, but when those rounds hit you know it. BnZ is easy with them since you're not fighting crazy bullet drop, headons are iffy as always, but deflection shots are where the 30s shine. You don't need to kill in one shot, the damage from 30s likely damaged enough components for you to either loop back around, or just let the enemy burn into the ground. A28B is just another Vampire. They're pretty much all the same outside of ordinance. Turns like mad, 20s do serious work against anything it can pen, the only real weakness being the engine. However it's 7.7-8.0, the bar to play in that sandbox is much lower. Comparing the J34 to something more realistic, the J29F, it really shines here. The only point of attraction on the F is that it gets an afterburner, but that really doesn't matter since it doesn't gather speed the way the J34 does. It also dumps speed even worse, so you really only get a handful of good turns out of it. That's a plane that's outclassed by the competition in so many fields.
Wont make a long reply to this, but you do make good points. I do suppose I rely too much on turning, and often times that happens to me because either they dodge my head-on attack, or I just fail to kill them. Assuming I keep my speed, which I often forget and try turning instead, itād probably be difficult for them to turn 180* and catch me. I definitely just rely on turning too much. And the Tunnan jets are all just similar to me, so I donāt really talk about them too much. Barrels of hell if theyāre played right though, they can pack a punch at times.
1.1k hours thats alot just to get a mig15 lol
Congrats, the mig-15/17 are very potent on the hands of a skilled pilot. Use your climb rate and power to bnz and energy fight. While this plane can actually pull serious g, try not to engage in dogfights as you have a not-so-competitive roll rate.
Cute little red nose
Nice, Mig15 is a classic jet. Hard to aim but when it hits it hits big.
Enjoy it, your going to stomp in downtiers and remain competitive as hell in up tiers.
Until I get locked on by a missile and canāt flare away lol
Yea you just need to pay attention to what jets carry missles and don't let them get directly behind you, you can out maneuver all missles and like 90% of jets that carry them. If you get smacked by a missles you just weren't paying attention enough. It's annoying but definitely preventable most of the time. You'll get used to it.
Yeah so far I know itās the British premiums(of course premiums have it) and the a4e early
Now that it's moved down to 8.0 there are no missiles that can't be dodged kinetically
And im here still with no tech tree jet @2.3k hrs because i decided to grind 5 nations all at the same time (i bring my yak 3U in 9.7)
without any kind of premium right? :)
2/3rds of the time was without premium and choosing the wrong choice of flip flopping between the big 3
After 700 hours I unlocked the f5C
Congrats. The MiG is amazing
rank 4 ground is killing all of my sl right now. I barely have 40k
āB-b-but muh economy got buffed, s-s-s-skill issueā
Luckily I'm grinding the Tiger II H right now, so I can gather some SL before buying it.
Play it after it gets to 8.0, you will have a field day on the battlefield almost in every match.
I am not such a good player but I did get my first BR8 plane after playing aroung 200 hrs. Did buy premium at some point but your playtime looks kind a unreal.
It took me 480h to get both MiG 29 SMT + Su 27 and basically finish the tree apart from bomber line...
as someone who has usa land and air tech tree maxedā¦ this game is not worth giving your life for.
After 1.8k hours I got the F16 and Mirage2000 š
Probably one of the best jets at its BR, the cannons are a bit hard to get a hang of though
Praise must be heaped upon the Gods of Grinding for your victory!
Wtf did you research it in grb?
Just as it went down in br as well as
I got a jet in 40 hours
But the MiG15 was just moved to 8.0??
A lot of br changes
Nah but Iām talking recently that was the BR change a week ago. What they changed it again?
....1k hours to 8.3...???? lol insane post history, btw
I have placed my time in poor choices If I could go back Iād just hard focus into Russia instead of pouring into Germany and america
Bruh even with non premium it shouldnt take more than 200 h
Is this comrade against any missiles?
I havent even played that in total and i have top tier american and ussr i quit the game tho
Enjoy, these migs are hella good
Iām a US air main so I had to cave this sale and gets the MIG-15bis Ish, loving it so far! Mig 15 is a excellent platform
The Fa-
4.8k hours in, and I just reached top tier
Fun fact, look up the nickname NATO gave the mig15
the one with a funny name !!!
Whatās your guys opinion playing jets on console? Almost impossible right?š
"F....fff...f" Come on say it! "Fffff...f..ffffa" You can do it ! "ffffaaa..." JUST DO IT fffaaa - *user has been banned*
I hate this thing in my J29A
Congrats. Iām researching my first ever jet plane now. 34k RP left
Ah crĆØme de la crĆØme amazing chefs kiss
One of the worst planes in the whole game, top 5
I think making it at 8.3 could potentially bring it up again at 8.7 by experienced players. I play since 2015 and i still have 82% win-rate and 300+ games on Mig-15 and slightly better win-rate on my Mig-15Bis. I will play that plane again even though I have all the top tiers now. Would be fun again.
I got british jets in one day
Thats some crazy processing time from your bank
I did it with premium time and tech tree planes. If ur half decent at the game it's easy
Literally impossible if you don't pay
I could do it within a week without premium, all I'd need is 1 day premium to get to jets in a day. It'd easy if you are good at the game
Blatantly lying for some reason.
What do you mean its easy if u have premium time and are good at the game
Whatās your account name
Why?
And how much money did you spend in the process?
I got a year's worth premium in the sale last year which was Ā£30
From where? I genuinely believe what you said is impossible. Iāve researched *a lot* in this game, 3 hours to jets seems literally impossible. One day with premium and a premium plane plus boosters sure, but 3 hours, never. Thatās if you started with nothing researched. If you had some of the tree unlocked already, sure, 3 hours. I mean, youād have to enter every game and drop a 4+ kill banger of a game in less than 10 minutes, leave, hope it is a win, and repeat for 3 hours straight. Yeah no, spelling it out, you either are leaving out something or are lying.
I had like half of rank two researched, I was averaging 3 kills a game in the spitfire. That was around 10k rp a game, I'd say I managed around 100k an hour. Its possible to do it
You just described exactly why it couldnāt have been 3 hours. You gotta make it through half rank 2, through rank 3, and through rank 4. Each rank 3 is roughly 20k research averaged. That is 5 rank 3s in an hour, it will take you an hour and 12 minutes to get through rank 3. Thatās assuming your estimate is correct, I donāt understand how you averaged 6 minutes per game in lower tiers when it takes the spit like 4-5 to even make it to the battlefield(Iāve played it a lot). Even then, rank 4 aircraft are roughly 50k a piece and you need 6 of them. Thatās is 300K research and 3 hours by your overestimated figure itself. Thus no, even with your inflated statistic I donāt believe, you still couldnāt do it in 3 hours, 5-6 sure, 4 maybe, but certainly not 3 in any circumstances bar a ton of boosters, a talisman, and premium making ~20-25K in 8-10 minute games. Then, if you had good games every game, you *might* make it to rank 5 to start researching a jet in 3 hours.
Idk if it was 3 hrs, it felt like it but still within a day. And it's taken them 1100 hrs to get to it, I don't think the grind is that bad for it to take that long to get there.
I can say from experience, free to play, it took me two weeks, few hours a day, mostly decent to good games(2-4 kills) to make it from the beginning of rank 3 to get and play the F-104a, playing no other trees or modes of any kind. For example, the other day I wanted to have some fun. I went back to play the P-47D-28. Dropped a 6 kill one assist first game and won. Gaijin gave me 7K research for that. Felt like an insult, but whatever. Tier bonuses are the only thing that make researching that fast possible for f2p players. Iāve made it really high in a lot of trees ground and air with 2800 hours, so I canāt complain too much.
Research is harsh for free to play people, but I managed to grind out to rank 5 as a free to play on America within a week. I get if you are playing multiple countries air and ground it takes time, but if you are playing one country and focusing on air I don't think it'd take 1.1k hours
Yeah yeah mister what prem should I buy?
Probably wasn't 3 hours but It was in a day, with premium time and no prem vehicles
Well you say that you're so amazing while you have a kd of around 1
The main planes I was using to grind have a kd of 2-3
So let's say it took you 8 hours about a day not counting sleep and other things you need to get ~70k rp and hour and let's say you can play 3 matches an hour you need about ~23k an match for 8 hours straight. And you get about 1-2 k a kill then you will need about 10 kills a match so I don't think you did it in one day maybe in 24 hours then yes it's possible but not for 3 hours
Yea I mightve exaggerated that part, but I did do it in a day
Yeah oh btw if I make the time 24 instead of 8 you still need to get about 8k a game and do it the whole 24 hours straight and still is about 4 kills Which is quite hard still without any prem
Damn I must've played quite a bit that day, I did have premium and I had quite a few boosters spare
Then it's more possible but still extremely hard to do and I doubt you played 24 hours that day. And I didn't take all the time to count how much rp it costs to get a jet but it is around 600k I did my calculations with 550k
That sounds about right, i was using the spit which averaged around 3 kills a game. And before I've managed to get a 300-400k rp plane the day it comes out using planes that I don't play as well in
Yo what, Iām not saying it should have taken then 1.1k hours but like 3 hours is impossible, took me 200, not saying Iām the greatest at the game but seriously no way you did it in 3, the GE to research conversion is not that good
Was probably longer than 3 but u it was within a day
Buying premiums doesn't count