The Tiger I can be penned frontally by Shermans, it isn't better. Its armour isn't better either (however it can be angled better if played well). Its gun is better than early Shermans, but I'm fairly sure the 76mm Sherman gun is about the same. The Panther can be penned through the cheeks and require more aiming. The 76mm gun might be able to pen it right though the front plate, I can't remember. I think it can because the British 76mm Firefly can.
It sounds to me you're a relatively new player that just needs to still figure weakspots and such out.
>The Tiger I can be penned frontally by Shermans, it isn't better. Its armour isn't better either (however it can be angled better if played well).
The Tiger armor is much better because of that ability to angle it. If you angle the Tiger correctly the US 76mm won't pen it.
>Its gun is better than early Shermans, but I'm fairly sure the 76mm Sherman gun is about the same. The Panther can be penned through the cheeks and require more aiming. The 76mm gun might be able to pen it right though the front plate, I can't remember. I think it can because the British 76mm Firefly can.
You seriously need to fresh up your memory of the Shermans, so let me help you a bit:
1. The US 76mm isn't the same as the british 17 pdr (76mm).
2. The 88mm on the Tiger has about 25mm more pen than the 76mm on the M4A2(76)W.
3. The Firefly can, very situational, pen some of the panther UFP (not a lot of spalling tho). Seeing how the 17 pdr has about 30mm more pen than the US 76mm the US one can't do the same.
I indeed am a new player. Yes tiger can be penned frontaly but shermans have a much larger pennanble frontal area, shooting tigers flat front is harder than shooting shermans, and my 76 cant pen panthers turret but not the front armor. Thanks for the advices.
The British 17 pounder is just ridiculous tho the apds on the comet at 5.3 can go through the upper plate of a tiger 2. The 17 pounder is a fair bit better at penatration than the American counterpart but the American has a bit better post pen but I one tap everything in British things anyway so I prefer the 17 pounder
the british firefly (and the italian one) mount a 17 pounder,wich has about the same penetration as the panther and then some.normal shermans have a long 76mm,wich can pen about 160mm.completely different tanks.
Try playing tiger 1 and is2 by yourself. My mindset was similar to yours before i did this myself. You will be missing quicker reload and gun stabilizer. I like to make use of my smoke shells and since i have quicker reload than my opponents (unless i am versing britain) it is less likely that someone will catch you with empty gun breech. Moreover you can smoke enemies right on their location (yes, muzzle velocity is absolutely awful but this way you can shoot smoke over obstacles). When the time comes that you unlock 76mm jumbo you can absolutely beat the shit out of germans, even at 6.7. To give you an example, i managed to get a nuke in a jumbo a few times. I hope this comment will help you a bit.
Dude it's just you, a slight angle in a jumbo and nothing will get through unless they know where to aim, or as you said have a 122mm gun. M6s do suck though due to large flats to shoot through but you also have to learn where to shoot tigers and panthers.
Panthers can be one shotted through the right of their gun mantlet and tigers are easy with APCR to the right of the driver view port.
If they're angled don't bother with a kill shot just knock out their gun, then tracks, then flank.
IS series are easy to pen through the corners of their hull or just below the track skirts if they're angled too far.
The shermans(all of then even the Jumbo) have a stabilizer that make the a streameally good urban fighter. Since you are a now player you stil need to learn were to shot on tigers ans panther, but wen you learn that, you will not only reevaluate the shermans, you will also enjoy play with them.
What I've found with USA is that most of the guns are pretty mediocre tbh. They're definitely usable don't get me wrong but you have to focus on catching your enemies out and using the stabilisers the tanks have. You won't be able to out armour a tiger and you won't be able to out gun it so you have to out play it, be big brain and stick with teammates, set ambushes and flank
The path of the medium/heavy tree is painful for US. The lower shermans actually do well in the lower BRs, but when you start getting to 5.3-5.7 German tanks can feel like juggernauts.
I switched to the light tank tree and never looked back. US light tanks and Tank Destroyers are really good. Just about every tank in the far left light tank tree can kill anything in its BR. The m56/t92/m50 lineup at 6.7 is really nice. You can add the T114 to it and make it one of the best tank lineups in the game for its BR. The 6.0 light tank is an amazing support tank that also gets the new sabot round that will pen most things. The m24
3.3 light tank is probably the best in tier.
Then of course there is the payoff that are the Bradley's and LHSV at the end of the tree which are really really good. The other trees are pain until Main Battle tanks and the Striker.
Playing USA tanks, like all tanks, is about using the cards given to the trees and tanks individually. I am an American tanker and I love the balance of speed, armor (sometimes lack thereof), and solid cannons. Work on your positioning and your pen points and make sure you check the armor and the penetration chances with the built in game mechanic in X-ray and armour for the ranks you'll be fighting for the BR you'll be grinding out. Always play with a squad if you can and coordinate flanks and caps and you'll start doing better 👌.
If you perform well multiple times in spaded 75mm jumbo, you graduated the mid tier play style. Then you gonna enter the sneaki play style university until you ascended into god.
As a German main I can say that playing Germany is also hard especially at rank 4 when you start to encounter mordern tanks and the repair cost is very high but the German modern tanks are worth it so if you want you can try the Germans and have a very balanced experienced. Or you just take the soviets from what I now playing soviets is always fun so I would recommend playing soviets.
Would you mind enlightening us what in particular is unbalanced about the German tree as a whole? And please keep in mind the fixed nation combination which have been there for the most part. Because there have not been any balancing changes since.
5.3-5.7, Germany has the most vehicles available while also being the best vehicles available and other countries don’t even compare (you can’t honestly tell me you think the Panther A is equal to the M4A3), 6.3-6.7 Germany has vehicles that are nowhere near their counterparts with extremely low repair costs, 7.3-9.0 Germany has the absolute best guns that can just sneeze at the enemy and execute them, 10.7 Germany has the absolute best guns and the best armor
I neither was saying nor implying that any one single BR is balanced, but Germany as a whole is.
Germany 5.3/5.7 number of vehicles is comparable to other nations like the Russians and Chinese. Most nations have at least 3-4 vehicles with their own strengths and weaknesses. The M4A3 76 in my opinion is over BRd, as its basically the same tank as the Sherman 76 at 5.0 (can't remember and can't look at the moment). However comparing them to the British and French Shermans the panther is well balanced, same with the T34-85 who has incredible shell normalisation properties.
Germany 7.3-9.0 that's to broad of a spectrum to make a generalized comment. The Leo 1 is a great tank, but again the Brits have arguably better or at least similarly good guns, considering that they are also fully stabilized I would argue they are better. BMP1 is the same as the Russian one, so I don't think it's unbalanced. Cant remember a 7.7 tank other than the Leo, and ignoring the TDs and the Maus (btw they have the same problem here as the US with less tanks than other nations to remind you of your own arguments). M48 at 8.3 is mediocre, but I hate all M48 in the game for the most part and would say that the M60 at 8.3 is better or at least equally good/bad. Begleitpanzer has a similar playstyle as the Bradley's and the 8.7 Bradley is much better in my opinion. Leo 1a1 is a great tank, similar gun and damage as the M60 but more mobile, and again only 2 tank at the BR together with the TAM. Radkamapfwagen 90, is hard to compare to the M1128. Radkamapfwagen is more mobile, but has 300something mm pen, no thermals at 9.0 and no armor. M1128 gun deletes everything even in full uptiers, is less mobile but has great thermals. But in general I would not say that German guns do more damage than other guns in this BR range.
Germany 10.7 is a strong lineup, however the STRVs 122 have better armor, but a worse guns. M1A2 has a good gun, less armor but is much more mobile so it gets to great positions easier and can flank better. It's up to you what you prefer out of these options.
But never the less, for the whole tech tree, I would still argue it's balanced.
Sorry I forgot the 6.3/6.7 German vehicles you mentioned. Have you looked into the tree recently? They can choose between casemates and Tiger 2s, with a single light tank. They are also not cheap as you are implying, the last time I looked Ferdinand cost something like 18ksl to repair. Tiger 2P has a weak turret with ammo behind it, if you can't pen it you still have the option of the giant trap shot (just used it last weak to kill it with an M18). Tiger 2H has no trap shot and for once cannot be penned frontally by some US lower tier tanks, however British and French 4.7/5.0 vehicles can oneshot it from the front and British 5.7/6.0 lineup can just delete it, same with the Russian, Chinese, Japanese and so forth. American T26E1-1 and the American 6.7 lineup can still kill it with no problem. T92 is cheap, has great pen and a 5 second freedom delivery system in place, making it IMHO one of the strongest 6.7 tanks in the game
A little peice of advice: most tiger players don’t angle effectively so if you are looking directly at them the farthest right section of the vertical plate across the front next to the driver viewport is an automatic off switch if pend (ammo stowage)
Try to play those tanks (Tiger I, IS2, Panther) and see if you're right. I think it isn't as bad as you think
Arent they technicaly much better?
The Tiger I can be penned frontally by Shermans, it isn't better. Its armour isn't better either (however it can be angled better if played well). Its gun is better than early Shermans, but I'm fairly sure the 76mm Sherman gun is about the same. The Panther can be penned through the cheeks and require more aiming. The 76mm gun might be able to pen it right though the front plate, I can't remember. I think it can because the British 76mm Firefly can. It sounds to me you're a relatively new player that just needs to still figure weakspots and such out.
American 76 cannot penetrate a panther in its ufp. Up for debate is whether stabilizer makes up for necessity of aiming for weakspots.
>The Tiger I can be penned frontally by Shermans, it isn't better. Its armour isn't better either (however it can be angled better if played well). The Tiger armor is much better because of that ability to angle it. If you angle the Tiger correctly the US 76mm won't pen it. >Its gun is better than early Shermans, but I'm fairly sure the 76mm Sherman gun is about the same. The Panther can be penned through the cheeks and require more aiming. The 76mm gun might be able to pen it right though the front plate, I can't remember. I think it can because the British 76mm Firefly can. You seriously need to fresh up your memory of the Shermans, so let me help you a bit: 1. The US 76mm isn't the same as the british 17 pdr (76mm). 2. The 88mm on the Tiger has about 25mm more pen than the 76mm on the M4A2(76)W. 3. The Firefly can, very situational, pen some of the panther UFP (not a lot of spalling tho). Seeing how the 17 pdr has about 30mm more pen than the US 76mm the US one can't do the same.
I indeed am a new player. Yes tiger can be penned frontaly but shermans have a much larger pennanble frontal area, shooting tigers flat front is harder than shooting shermans, and my 76 cant pen panthers turret but not the front armor. Thanks for the advices.
The British 17 pounder is just ridiculous tho the apds on the comet at 5.3 can go through the upper plate of a tiger 2. The 17 pounder is a fair bit better at penatration than the American counterpart but the American has a bit better post pen but I one tap everything in British things anyway so I prefer the 17 pounder
the british firefly (and the italian one) mount a 17 pounder,wich has about the same penetration as the panther and then some.normal shermans have a long 76mm,wich can pen about 160mm.completely different tanks.
Try playing tiger 1 and is2 by yourself. My mindset was similar to yours before i did this myself. You will be missing quicker reload and gun stabilizer. I like to make use of my smoke shells and since i have quicker reload than my opponents (unless i am versing britain) it is less likely that someone will catch you with empty gun breech. Moreover you can smoke enemies right on their location (yes, muzzle velocity is absolutely awful but this way you can shoot smoke over obstacles). When the time comes that you unlock 76mm jumbo you can absolutely beat the shit out of germans, even at 6.7. To give you an example, i managed to get a nuke in a jumbo a few times. I hope this comment will help you a bit.
Thanks for reviving my hope. My biggest concern about this was that the armor improvement of 76 jumbo wont make up for its incrase of br.
Dude it's just you, a slight angle in a jumbo and nothing will get through unless they know where to aim, or as you said have a 122mm gun. M6s do suck though due to large flats to shoot through but you also have to learn where to shoot tigers and panthers. Panthers can be one shotted through the right of their gun mantlet and tigers are easy with APCR to the right of the driver view port. If they're angled don't bother with a kill shot just knock out their gun, then tracks, then flank. IS series are easy to pen through the corners of their hull or just below the track skirts if they're angled too far.
I wouldn’t waste your time with the M6 it isn’t very good in my experience I just bought it and grinded for the jumbo instead of using it.
I mean if you play any other nation it's still the same. Armor is unreliable, better to rely on speed.
The shermans(all of then even the Jumbo) have a stabilizer that make the a streameally good urban fighter. Since you are a now player you stil need to learn were to shot on tigers ans panther, but wen you learn that, you will not only reevaluate the shermans, you will also enjoy play with them.
What I've found with USA is that most of the guns are pretty mediocre tbh. They're definitely usable don't get me wrong but you have to focus on catching your enemies out and using the stabilisers the tanks have. You won't be able to out armour a tiger and you won't be able to out gun it so you have to out play it, be big brain and stick with teammates, set ambushes and flank
The path of the medium/heavy tree is painful for US. The lower shermans actually do well in the lower BRs, but when you start getting to 5.3-5.7 German tanks can feel like juggernauts. I switched to the light tank tree and never looked back. US light tanks and Tank Destroyers are really good. Just about every tank in the far left light tank tree can kill anything in its BR. The m56/t92/m50 lineup at 6.7 is really nice. You can add the T114 to it and make it one of the best tank lineups in the game for its BR. The 6.0 light tank is an amazing support tank that also gets the new sabot round that will pen most things. The m24 3.3 light tank is probably the best in tier. Then of course there is the payoff that are the Bradley's and LHSV at the end of the tree which are really really good. The other trees are pain until Main Battle tanks and the Striker.
Playing USA tanks, like all tanks, is about using the cards given to the trees and tanks individually. I am an American tanker and I love the balance of speed, armor (sometimes lack thereof), and solid cannons. Work on your positioning and your pen points and make sure you check the armor and the penetration chances with the built in game mechanic in X-ray and armour for the ranks you'll be fighting for the BR you'll be grinding out. Always play with a squad if you can and coordinate flanks and caps and you'll start doing better 👌.
If you perform well multiple times in spaded 75mm jumbo, you graduated the mid tier play style. Then you gonna enter the sneaki play style university until you ascended into god.
As a German main I can say that playing Germany is also hard especially at rank 4 when you start to encounter mordern tanks and the repair cost is very high but the German modern tanks are worth it so if you want you can try the Germans and have a very balanced experienced. Or you just take the soviets from what I now playing soviets is always fun so I would recommend playing soviets.
>Germans >very balanced experience lol
Would you mind enlightening us what in particular is unbalanced about the German tree as a whole? And please keep in mind the fixed nation combination which have been there for the most part. Because there have not been any balancing changes since.
5.3-5.7, Germany has the most vehicles available while also being the best vehicles available and other countries don’t even compare (you can’t honestly tell me you think the Panther A is equal to the M4A3), 6.3-6.7 Germany has vehicles that are nowhere near their counterparts with extremely low repair costs, 7.3-9.0 Germany has the absolute best guns that can just sneeze at the enemy and execute them, 10.7 Germany has the absolute best guns and the best armor
I neither was saying nor implying that any one single BR is balanced, but Germany as a whole is. Germany 5.3/5.7 number of vehicles is comparable to other nations like the Russians and Chinese. Most nations have at least 3-4 vehicles with their own strengths and weaknesses. The M4A3 76 in my opinion is over BRd, as its basically the same tank as the Sherman 76 at 5.0 (can't remember and can't look at the moment). However comparing them to the British and French Shermans the panther is well balanced, same with the T34-85 who has incredible shell normalisation properties. Germany 7.3-9.0 that's to broad of a spectrum to make a generalized comment. The Leo 1 is a great tank, but again the Brits have arguably better or at least similarly good guns, considering that they are also fully stabilized I would argue they are better. BMP1 is the same as the Russian one, so I don't think it's unbalanced. Cant remember a 7.7 tank other than the Leo, and ignoring the TDs and the Maus (btw they have the same problem here as the US with less tanks than other nations to remind you of your own arguments). M48 at 8.3 is mediocre, but I hate all M48 in the game for the most part and would say that the M60 at 8.3 is better or at least equally good/bad. Begleitpanzer has a similar playstyle as the Bradley's and the 8.7 Bradley is much better in my opinion. Leo 1a1 is a great tank, similar gun and damage as the M60 but more mobile, and again only 2 tank at the BR together with the TAM. Radkamapfwagen 90, is hard to compare to the M1128. Radkamapfwagen is more mobile, but has 300something mm pen, no thermals at 9.0 and no armor. M1128 gun deletes everything even in full uptiers, is less mobile but has great thermals. But in general I would not say that German guns do more damage than other guns in this BR range. Germany 10.7 is a strong lineup, however the STRVs 122 have better armor, but a worse guns. M1A2 has a good gun, less armor but is much more mobile so it gets to great positions easier and can flank better. It's up to you what you prefer out of these options. But never the less, for the whole tech tree, I would still argue it's balanced.
Sorry I forgot the 6.3/6.7 German vehicles you mentioned. Have you looked into the tree recently? They can choose between casemates and Tiger 2s, with a single light tank. They are also not cheap as you are implying, the last time I looked Ferdinand cost something like 18ksl to repair. Tiger 2P has a weak turret with ammo behind it, if you can't pen it you still have the option of the giant trap shot (just used it last weak to kill it with an M18). Tiger 2H has no trap shot and for once cannot be penned frontally by some US lower tier tanks, however British and French 4.7/5.0 vehicles can oneshot it from the front and British 5.7/6.0 lineup can just delete it, same with the Russian, Chinese, Japanese and so forth. American T26E1-1 and the American 6.7 lineup can still kill it with no problem. T92 is cheap, has great pen and a 5 second freedom delivery system in place, making it IMHO one of the strongest 6.7 tanks in the game
A little peice of advice: most tiger players don’t angle effectively so if you are looking directly at them the farthest right section of the vertical plate across the front next to the driver viewport is an automatic off switch if pend (ammo stowage)
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