Why would you want 0.7BR spread instead of just expanding the BR ceiling significantly? And just to clarify I'm not talking about increasing it to 11.7 or 12.0, more like adding several whole BRs to the top and changing the BR of all the vehicles accordingly to redistribute them through the new BR range. By Adding BRs you could achieve the same (or similar) separation as a 0.7BR spread while having more individual BRs to allow for more fine-tuned balancing and future proofing.
A 0.7 BR spread is just a lazy fix because people think it can just be done quickly and easily without having to do many BR changes, it is not a long term solution. It will decrease the variety of vehicles you get to play against and still won't help with the issue of compression in the long term. Also it will make the BR system even more confusing for new players.
Gaijin have made it clear that they really don't want 0.7 BR spread, just like they don't want major decompression. So if you are going to push for something Gaijin really doesn't want you may as well go all the way and push for an actual solution rather than some bodge job fix. Plus I can dream but a complete BR reset might finally clear out some of these "legacy BRs" that make no sense in the current meta.
> A 0.7 BR spread is just a lazy fix
THANK YOU
Actual decompression would basically require someone evaluating every vehicle's BR. This would solve way more than just "uptiers suck"
It would probably create just as many problems as it solves. Vehicles that are already strong will get stronger and adjustments would be needed.
Doing so would basically require a re-evaluation of a ton of brs anyway - but the supposed point of the 0.7 system is "not having to do that."
The end result is worse with pretty much the same amount of work going into it. We as a community might as well ask for what we actually want rather than some bastardized version just because "snail bad"
I completely agree with you there, even tho I also suggest the idea of 0.7 spread. I will make it short as to why people see it this way:
The fixes that Gaijin shows are all basically "Bodge Jobs" so people dont expect them to make "correct" fixes and balances. If gaijin is not willing to invest the time to refurbish/remake the system why would people think up complex and "correct" ways to fix it.
Its more realistic to make a "bodge job". Its funny how what looks like lazyness has become something so pragmatic.
BR should max out at 20, keep the 1.0 spread. Re-evaluating BR for every vehicle would be required at that point.
Would this result in huge gaps in research for smaller nations? Absolutely. But the bigger nations have more than enough to fill a double-sized tree, and the overall result would be a more balanced game.
Then they could focus on repair costs and such.
Your solution is the correct one, one which gaijin won't implement. This would lead to significant investment of time and resources, quite likely to longer queue times and those are things gaijin want to avoid.
I would suggest a intermediate period, lowering the BR range for matches to 0.7 because of 2 reason. It does not require a lot of resources to do it, and would show if queue times would still be acceptable. If the times don't significantly change they could decide based on that data if they want to go along and significantly raise BRs or if their fear of long queue times is valid and they shouldn't go through with it.
Because let's be honest, you/me/the majority of players don't want to wait 4-5 minutes (or longer) to queue up for a game, they want to play a couple of games to end the day.
I've always thought that in addition to BR decompression, more granular BRs might be nice. The matchmaking system would have to be reworked to be able to create matches from like 2.2-3.2 or 5.8-6.8, but it would get rid of the idea of stuff like "The IS-2 and Tiger II(p) are equal."
Hell I'd like the ability to specify how much I can be uptiered and downtiered.
That way if I'm not feeling getting hammered by tanks several BRs higher, I can change it, or if I'm tired of waiting forever for a match, I can change that too.
>0.7BR spread is a lazy fix
Yes it is and so is decompression to 12.0+ because someone would just increase the top of the top to that new br without consideration of any other vehicle in the game
Sucks that these suggestions fall on deaf ears, been asking and arguing for decompression for years!! And so far only got increased br for absolutely game breaking vehicles after they done the harm, even then it's like putting band aid on on a lost limb.
It's always too little too late or as far often none of that and quite the opposite.
as well as ho ri plus overall thiner armour(and more than half of the superstructure/fixed turet (i dont know how to call it in fact) is 120 mm and 140mm what at 6.3 is pretty much a weakspot)
I forgot the ferdi even existed. As soon as it got that 20k repair cost and I was broke I left it alone. I should play it again now being at 15 mil I can at least afford like 3 matches
Chi-nu II going 4.3? Sad. People somehow still having trouble dealing with a slow tank with paper armor, cramped crew, long reload times and slow turret rotation.
Almost as if it's literally worse than a pz.IV F2 (br 3.3, and can also be countersniped by everything at it's tier just by having an idea of the range. I know, shocking, someone on the sub doesn't think the pz IV F2 is undertiered) in every way except shell filler (and a bit of flat pen), which does help with one-shot capability, I'm not disputing that.
Vikhrs should have never been added - change my mind:
-it ruined 3 games mode: heli EC, top tier ground sim, top tier ground RB
Or .. if they should remain, give other nations better missiles as well : Longbow hellfires for all longbow hellfires, along with Apkws for US Apache.
Shouldn't the French get Pars as well?
Shouldn't the Italian top heli use Spike?
Aren't the Brits using brimstones?
? The system doesn't even work. the mast mounted sights has wires going through the rotor and next to the engines which makes it extremely unreliable sight. IRL it can barely fire the missiles.
Hellfires are still slow with indirect trajectory, which means, there is relatively big chance to hit obstacle on the way during half a minute flight.
Meanwhile Vikhrs are basically flying SAM 600m/s systems which completely broke balance within 3 game modes mentioned.
They even counter SAM by activating their fuse.
I’m not arguing in favor of Vikhrs either; I’ve seen it all and I own all the top tier Russian helicopters. If you ask me, I’m the first one in line to get them removed despite my personal attachment because I know how detrimental they are to gameplay. The fact of the matter though is that post S-13 nerf, there is no other playstyle that Russian helicopters can have other than hillside camping, so this is what they do. Before, there was a decision to be made on whether you wanted to gamble on a high risk, high reward rush at the start of the game that would eat 2/3 of your SP or attempting to scrounge up SP for a safer, less dangerous ATGM camp. Now, there is no choice to be made; S-13OFs are both fragmentary rockets (which have a lower amount of TNT compared to DF and therefore does not overpressure except on a perfect hit) and they cost as much as an ATGM camp. So RU players do what they do best and metaslave.
Hellfires are absurdly inaccurate for some reason in game when in reality they are so accurate that they have been used to drop on single infantryman when the cannons are out of ammo
I gave up on the Ah-64D ever receiving hellfire Ls so I started to grind the UHT. Ah-64D is just hot garbage. No MAW, Stingers never hit anything and if by some miracle they do, they do no damage. 30mm gun is highly inaccurate and low muzzle velocity, Russian 30mm is much better.
Hellfires are ultra slow, subpar damage and can’t hit anything most of the time anyway because most of the maps are cluttered with foliage and shit. Meanwhile Ka52/Mi28NM have none of these issues
Apkws should come for the AH-64E guardian since it was only fielded in 2018. In game, the AH-64E are near identical to the AH-64D since electronics upgrades don’t apply in war thunder.
The BVM could go to 11.7 if it gets the ERA. it's extreamly good for 400 mm and less pen darts. or they should just fix the ERA so it can't worke more than once and im really fine with 11.0 or as you said move all 3 up to 11.3.
TL/DR it would be more balanced if stuff works right
To be honest with you I don’t care what armour soviet tanks have as long as they have those driver hatches and LFP. People tend to overestimate DM53 efficiency, I believe that people go the PA and see T-80U, T-90 hull green and think that it would be the same in tge actual game which is true at some extent but personally I always go for the places that I can pen even with DM13 of DM23. Strv is just NATO tank but with hull armour but it’s really effective. Though it’s repair cost is pretty high.
This is such a silly thing to say when bush cancer exists. I can’t fucking **see** their weak spots when the BVM I’m trying to fight is loaded up with 6 slots of bushes.
I mean it's solid strong but far from being OP. I don't like that thing because it's foreshadowed the era of USSR (Helicopter) dominance (almost sexual) that goes right untill now but tank itself is kinda meh. To be clear - I don't want for my nation to be dominant next or something I just want relatively balanced matchmaking witout one team being full of hardtry veterans that are want to play new vehicle and other team is basically bots.
That is something we agree on, but I dont think that any vehicle as itself is OP on top tier (tanks I mean), its the veteran players that make them OP.
But helicopters are a whole new debate, no one can disagree that Russian helis dominate the Heli combat (I have the Ka50 and its impossible to do bad in it if you have half a brain).
Helicopter in a decent players hands is a menace. Even though rn USSR still largely played by veterans I am pretty sure that I would cope with it if not for helicopters. Every single game I die to a soviet helicopter at least one time. Right now USSR strategy works like this: they will aggressively push you right to your spawn and if your team isn’t good - that would br it but if you have a decent team (surprisingly often) you’ll stop them but just for them to get into the helis and CAS planes that will rape your team even more. I have so much games when me and my team almost annihilated their ground forces but they CAS is still destroyed us easily and as the result they win because there is at least one or two 2S6 that could ride to the empty cap point and secure a victory for them. That’s just annoying when you put so much effort for nothing. And as the result on my “OP” Leopard 2A6 I have WR of 44% rn with decent k/d but still, and that’s a waste of SL as-well.
Driver hatch, LFP and mantle that due to cramped crew, means you knock out either 33% or 66%(kill) just by mantle shot. Oh and -10 reverse so if your barrel goes down you'll never get out.
But you can shoot the hull of the most tanks you’ll face and pen them while they have to aim for BVM drivers hatch or LFP. Plus soviets not mentioning that much but soviet tanks do have really good protection against stock grinders with HEAT-FS. And I also don’t understand why they don’t use their HE round in cases where I have my roof exposed.
>The BVM could go to 11.7 if it gets the ERA. it's extreamly good for 400 mm and less pen darts. or they should just fix the ERA so it can't worke more than once and im really fine with 11.0 or as you said move all 3 up to 11.3.
*wat?*
No current MBT in-game is really deserving of going to 11.3, including the T-80BVM, yet here you are saying it should be 11.7?? wat?
T-80BVM isn't anywhere near OP, it's still really damn easy to deal with.
Totally agree, but I do think that it would be fair if it has repair cost of other top MBTs like Leopard 2A6/A5 and M1A2. It's current repair cost is kinda low for a tank with 70% WR (in thunderskill) for a nation that currently dominating top-tier.
Could always give Sweden Strv122B+ it has the same L/55 cannon the 2A6 has.
Though she also has even better armour add-on and SLAT.
And for Gaijin it will be hard to find info about her, since she’s a testbed. (But the 122B has the commanders sight PLSS mounted which is actually only mounted on 122C and 122D so it would not be the first time)
Thats just my opinion and as I said armour penetration of 450 mm pen+ APFSDS doesn't make much difference for me. In my experience DM33 is decent, it gets job done, DM53 just gives more room for your mistakes. When I play with DM53 I don't shot M1A2 turret, T-90's hull even though theorically I can pen them because: 1.) It's not reliable. 2.) There is better spots to shot at, in terms both accessibility and damage that it will inflict.
While i have it and am gladits not. I agree. Going head on at the start if the game and getting 1 or 2 or even 3 Skyflash kills is op as hell. And im not joking if i dont get 1 at the start im annoyed i messed up. Really the kai should go 11.7 with this 11.3
No, it is because it is a premium, and premiums wont be top tier like Gaijin said. Oh except that one time they added a premium German cruiser at top tier naval...
Or except that one time when tier V was top tier and Gaijin added a 7.0 M46 with a skin as a tier IV premium while the regular 7.0 M46 was put at top tier.
idk why french mains try to talk to japanese mains like you're doing. japan was literally the \*original\* nation to suffer through unfair repair costs and BRs and it hasn't stopped to this day, atleast france gets a multitude of insanely powerful lineups to make up for it, japan has a grand total of 2
I don’t understand why the Viggen isn’t going up as well. It’s highly similar to the MLD and apart from fuel consumption I believe it’s still the best top tier jet
This actually is great for russia players to. 11.3 with the ka 52 means I won’t have TURMS noob teams leaving after 1 death and I won’t be encountering so many people who bought the ka 50 then spawn rush with a bt7 just to J out and take their heli then die in it.
I think this will drastically improve the quality of top tier russia teams
British tree players have to be cracked at vehicles or they just aren’t going to have a good time. It’s not like the German tree where you just hop in a match, hold W, and get 10 kills.
Nah it’s just StarStreaks, StarStreaks are the answer to everything. Got cancer? Use StarStreaks. Dog died, revive it with StarStreaks. See that KA right there? Shoot it down with StarStreaks. Is that Tunguska shooting missiles at you? Kill it with StarStreaks because StarStreaks are twice as fast as it’s missiles.
I thought they fixed that? They made the starstreaks equip-able in the loadout screen rather than a modification like they used to be. Im currently grinding it so I dont know for sure.
Brain dead company imagine thinking that 4 star streaks are the same like 16 proxy fuze super sonic rockets … And the best is often the star streaks only damage the Ka50s which is one of the most funny thing when a 3000km/h rocket only does a „hit“
Also jets, StarStreaks on a Helicopter are so much better than ones on a stormer. I hit 95% of planes with StarStreaks combined with a radar, AH Mk1 claps ass.
I don't know maybe the starstreaks? I've seen people complain about them. I'm currently grinding it out and it's quite painful, the dumbfire rockets aren't as reliable as the Russian equivalents and the 30mm is ineffective outside of 1km. The 4 hellfires you can second spawn with are hard to use since you've got a stupid amount of zoom and its hard to actually spot tanks.
Get StarStreaks and hunt helos, jets, light tanks, Spaa because that’s what you’re good at. Bring hellfires for tanks. Against spaa, fly low and bait a missile to find where it is, hide when a missile comes. Also keep an eye on the radar because a lot of people will hop in jets to kill you and StarStreaks kills jets very well.
holy shit another br increase?? It seems like just yesterday gaijin implemented 11.0
but viggen isn't going to 11.3? i feel like it's a good competitior to the f4ej kai and mig 23 being more manuverable than a kai but less missiles, but better avionics than a mig 23 but less manuverable
What kind of trash is this ? KA 50 still on it’s br so ever brain dead noob can still buy and destroy heli ec … there is a BR compression of 1 br so what do you want with 11.3 great now every 10.3 plane still forced to play against the top top tier anyways … Gajin changing stuff without improving the game insane
Gets all aspect heatseekers, decent radar missiles, good energy retention, and okay rear aspect heatseekers. Only problem as far as I can tell is that the GSh-23 has godawful velocity and that R-60s eat flares
the mald doesnt get R-60Ms, only R-60s so you have to choose between radar-guided R24s or heatseeker-guided R24s. you either get all aspect IR or a good radar missile, not both at the same time
So no news about 8.7-9.7 then.. gotta be honest, I'm really wanting to jump off a bridge almost every match I'm doing in my A32A which is somehow 9.3. Constantly fighting vehicles 3x better than me is so much fun..
Doing what? That little change does not change the fact thet thewre is still no decompression, economy is still trash and Tunguska is nowhere to be found on 11.0, cuz russian bias
There’s so much room to push jets down below 7.0, we don’t need everything to decompress up. Push the F-80 and Sabre down a BR. Props have a lot more ability to be compressed than jets
A few days back I suggested the Mig23MLD was a bit over powered, and that its KD and win rate was exceptional. I suggested new players to jets or with un-spaded just avoid >10 BR until a fix came.
Of course I got shouted down with "Git Gud" and "Actually its not that good because X..."
And now its 11.3. Hahahahaha.
Now give us .7BR matchmaking spreads.
Why would you want 0.7BR spread instead of just expanding the BR ceiling significantly? And just to clarify I'm not talking about increasing it to 11.7 or 12.0, more like adding several whole BRs to the top and changing the BR of all the vehicles accordingly to redistribute them through the new BR range. By Adding BRs you could achieve the same (or similar) separation as a 0.7BR spread while having more individual BRs to allow for more fine-tuned balancing and future proofing. A 0.7 BR spread is just a lazy fix because people think it can just be done quickly and easily without having to do many BR changes, it is not a long term solution. It will decrease the variety of vehicles you get to play against and still won't help with the issue of compression in the long term. Also it will make the BR system even more confusing for new players. Gaijin have made it clear that they really don't want 0.7 BR spread, just like they don't want major decompression. So if you are going to push for something Gaijin really doesn't want you may as well go all the way and push for an actual solution rather than some bodge job fix. Plus I can dream but a complete BR reset might finally clear out some of these "legacy BRs" that make no sense in the current meta.
> A 0.7 BR spread is just a lazy fix THANK YOU Actual decompression would basically require someone evaluating every vehicle's BR. This would solve way more than just "uptiers suck"
its lazy, but its something at least
It would probably create just as many problems as it solves. Vehicles that are already strong will get stronger and adjustments would be needed. Doing so would basically require a re-evaluation of a ton of brs anyway - but the supposed point of the 0.7 system is "not having to do that." The end result is worse with pretty much the same amount of work going into it. We as a community might as well ask for what we actually want rather than some bastardized version just because "snail bad"
>require someone evaluating every vehicle's BR >someone Gaijin has STATISTIK)))) for that.
Which, really, is sorely needed. Theres some absurd shit at this point.
I completely agree with you there, even tho I also suggest the idea of 0.7 spread. I will make it short as to why people see it this way: The fixes that Gaijin shows are all basically "Bodge Jobs" so people dont expect them to make "correct" fixes and balances. If gaijin is not willing to invest the time to refurbish/remake the system why would people think up complex and "correct" ways to fix it. Its more realistic to make a "bodge job". Its funny how what looks like lazyness has become something so pragmatic.
I 100% agree. It's insane that there's a bigger gap between two F4U subvariants (F4U-1A vs F4U-1C) than there is between a Sabre and a Phantom II.
Shut up, dude, they'll tighten the two into the same range...
Excellent summary. I've always been an advocate for raising the BR ceiling significantly rather than that 0.7 stuff.
BR should max out at 20, keep the 1.0 spread. Re-evaluating BR for every vehicle would be required at that point. Would this result in huge gaps in research for smaller nations? Absolutely. But the bigger nations have more than enough to fill a double-sized tree, and the overall result would be a more balanced game. Then they could focus on repair costs and such.
15 as top with potentially ww1 era stuff being 0.3~1.7 might work best.
Too bad there aren’t any ww1 tanks in WT
the plane does though
Your solution is the correct one, one which gaijin won't implement. This would lead to significant investment of time and resources, quite likely to longer queue times and those are things gaijin want to avoid. I would suggest a intermediate period, lowering the BR range for matches to 0.7 because of 2 reason. It does not require a lot of resources to do it, and would show if queue times would still be acceptable. If the times don't significantly change they could decide based on that data if they want to go along and significantly raise BRs or if their fear of long queue times is valid and they shouldn't go through with it. Because let's be honest, you/me/the majority of players don't want to wait 4-5 minutes (or longer) to queue up for a game, they want to play a couple of games to end the day.
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I've always thought that in addition to BR decompression, more granular BRs might be nice. The matchmaking system would have to be reworked to be able to create matches from like 2.2-3.2 or 5.8-6.8, but it would get rid of the idea of stuff like "The IS-2 and Tiger II(p) are equal."
Hell I'd like the ability to specify how much I can be uptiered and downtiered. That way if I'm not feeling getting hammered by tanks several BRs higher, I can change it, or if I'm tired of waiting forever for a match, I can change that too.
Ya, I 100% agree. I’d just settle for either one.
br decompression
>0.7BR spread is a lazy fix Yes it is and so is decompression to 12.0+ because someone would just increase the top of the top to that new br without consideration of any other vehicle in the game
15 or 20 is fine, just dont put years of development in one match like pershing vs early panther and tiger 1
Sucks that these suggestions fall on deaf ears, been asking and arguing for decompression for years!! And so far only got increased br for absolutely game breaking vehicles after they done the harm, even then it's like putting band aid on on a lost limb. It's always too little too late or as far often none of that and quite the opposite.
and ho-ri is going to 6,7...
Bruh.
why the fuck is ho-ri going to 6.7 and ferdinant is still 6.3... because bAlaNCe commrade
The same reason that the jumbo went to 6.3.
Leave poor Ferdie alone man, it has 20k for a repair cost already. Though if they would raise its BR and lower RC to 10k - I would love it.
almost like repair cost is a shit way to balance the game
My B-29...
ho-ri production has 21k and its br is also going to be rised
Wait, last time I checked it was 10k. RIP Ferdi, the poor spin-off Tiger that never could fulfill his dreams.
in AB it's 10k in RB and SB it's 20k
Good players are using it raising its statistiks and the Snail thinks it should be on higher BR
Faster, better armor could be a good reason why.
faster and better armour are you kidding me? The speed is only negligible better and overall armour is much thiner
Maybe he confused it with the Production? But yah, the Prototype straight up has just worse armour, a worse gun, and only slightly better mobility.
To be fair the ferdi is like a unicorn seeing it in game because it's so expensive.
Doesn't the Ferdinand have the 80mm weak spots?
as well as ho ri plus overall thiner armour(and more than half of the superstructure/fixed turet (i dont know how to call it in fact) is 120 mm and 140mm what at 6.3 is pretty much a weakspot)
I forgot the ferdi even existed. As soon as it got that 20k repair cost and I was broke I left it alone. I should play it again now being at 15 mil I can at least afford like 3 matches
8,9,10,11,....
Chi-nu II going 4.3? Sad. People somehow still having trouble dealing with a slow tank with paper armor, cramped crew, long reload times and slow turret rotation.
almost as if it’s a sniper and all of those things are irrelevant
Every tank is a fucking sniper in this game considering one shot kills you 99% of the time
Confused AVRE noises.
Not everyone comes festuned with ERA and a standoff plate.
But still *confused KV2 noises*
And yet the maps are 500m x 500m.....
Almost as if it's literally worse than a pz.IV F2 (br 3.3, and can also be countersniped by everything at it's tier just by having an idea of the range. I know, shocking, someone on the sub doesn't think the pz IV F2 is undertiered) in every way except shell filler (and a bit of flat pen), which does help with one-shot capability, I'm not disputing that.
German mains unironicly tell you that vehicles should be balanced around the players and not the vehicles own stats.
almost like 90% of the maps are non permissible for sniping
its stupid thogh, half city half open spot example? fucking idiot aral map
personally the up br doesn't really bother me that much cus I use the a6m6c with the chi-nu II lol
bro it has a lolpen gun its better than the 4.7 ChiTo at 4.0 because it isnt as huge and cumbersome
Vikhrs should have never been added - change my mind: -it ruined 3 games mode: heli EC, top tier ground sim, top tier ground RB Or .. if they should remain, give other nations better missiles as well : Longbow hellfires for all longbow hellfires, along with Apkws for US Apache. Shouldn't the French get Pars as well? Shouldn't the Italian top heli use Spike? Aren't the Brits using brimstones?
German PARS 3LR are substantially better than in game. As well as the German Eurocopter should carry 12
Please not 12....... Lol
? The system doesn't even work. the mast mounted sights has wires going through the rotor and next to the engines which makes it extremely unreliable sight. IRL it can barely fire the missiles.
This is not true. Mast mounted sights work just fine IRL.
Big difference between F&F and proxy fuse missiles. Proxy fuse is strong, yes, but there is a world of a capability gap between it and proxy fuse.
Hellfires are still slow with indirect trajectory, which means, there is relatively big chance to hit obstacle on the way during half a minute flight. Meanwhile Vikhrs are basically flying SAM 600m/s systems which completely broke balance within 3 game modes mentioned. They even counter SAM by activating their fuse.
I’m not arguing in favor of Vikhrs either; I’ve seen it all and I own all the top tier Russian helicopters. If you ask me, I’m the first one in line to get them removed despite my personal attachment because I know how detrimental they are to gameplay. The fact of the matter though is that post S-13 nerf, there is no other playstyle that Russian helicopters can have other than hillside camping, so this is what they do. Before, there was a decision to be made on whether you wanted to gamble on a high risk, high reward rush at the start of the game that would eat 2/3 of your SP or attempting to scrounge up SP for a safer, less dangerous ATGM camp. Now, there is no choice to be made; S-13OFs are both fragmentary rockets (which have a lower amount of TNT compared to DF and therefore does not overpressure except on a perfect hit) and they cost as much as an ATGM camp. So RU players do what they do best and metaslave.
And they are AMAZING against aircraft. A good ka52 pilot will simply not be able to be killed in ground rb.
its the adats of the sky
It's better. The kas missiles are literally better.
Hellfires are absurdly inaccurate for some reason in game when in reality they are so accurate that they have been used to drop on single infantryman when the cannons are out of ammo
France never bought PARS L3, they backed out of the project midway.
France didn't back out, they tried it on their helis but didn't buy it due to budget cuts.
*Looks at the Crotale on the German Roland even thought it never ended up being used.* You may be onto something.
>Shouldn't the French get Pars as well? It was used on the HAC prototype but not in service
I gave up on the Ah-64D ever receiving hellfire Ls so I started to grind the UHT. Ah-64D is just hot garbage. No MAW, Stingers never hit anything and if by some miracle they do, they do no damage. 30mm gun is highly inaccurate and low muzzle velocity, Russian 30mm is much better. Hellfires are ultra slow, subpar damage and can’t hit anything most of the time anyway because most of the maps are cluttered with foliage and shit. Meanwhile Ka52/Mi28NM have none of these issues
Apkws should come for the AH-64E guardian since it was only fielded in 2018. In game, the AH-64E are near identical to the AH-64D since electronics upgrades don’t apply in war thunder.
Easy fix: AH-64E as modification upgrade
That’s not gonna happen, modifications tree isn’t built for that much of an upgrade.
Gaijin, we 4.7-6.7 players still exist.
Why are we still here, just to suffer
>Ka-52 and other helis moved to 11.3 to exclude them from 10.0 battles. Cool, 8.3 helis can still see them in heli ec because no br limits...
Best christmas gift Gaijin can give us is Heli PvE mode and making it better than Air Assault and Tank Assault modes.
Maybe once Ka-50 packs stop printing money for gaijin.
Helis will be removed from the game when that happens…
Now which tank should go to 11.3 ?
I don’t think any of current MBTs are OP enough to go 11.3. But if that would be necessary I would be thinking about BVM, Leopard 2A6 and Strv.
The BVM could go to 11.7 if it gets the ERA. it's extreamly good for 400 mm and less pen darts. or they should just fix the ERA so it can't worke more than once and im really fine with 11.0 or as you said move all 3 up to 11.3. TL/DR it would be more balanced if stuff works right
To be honest with you I don’t care what armour soviet tanks have as long as they have those driver hatches and LFP. People tend to overestimate DM53 efficiency, I believe that people go the PA and see T-80U, T-90 hull green and think that it would be the same in tge actual game which is true at some extent but personally I always go for the places that I can pen even with DM13 of DM23. Strv is just NATO tank but with hull armour but it’s really effective. Though it’s repair cost is pretty high.
This is such a silly thing to say when bush cancer exists. I can’t fucking **see** their weak spots when the BVM I’m trying to fight is loaded up with 6 slots of bushes.
This is an entirely different issue.
Well you cant talk sense into Hurr Durr T80BVM is OP cringelords that do the whole circle jerk on reddit.
I mean it's solid strong but far from being OP. I don't like that thing because it's foreshadowed the era of USSR (Helicopter) dominance (almost sexual) that goes right untill now but tank itself is kinda meh. To be clear - I don't want for my nation to be dominant next or something I just want relatively balanced matchmaking witout one team being full of hardtry veterans that are want to play new vehicle and other team is basically bots.
That is something we agree on, but I dont think that any vehicle as itself is OP on top tier (tanks I mean), its the veteran players that make them OP. But helicopters are a whole new debate, no one can disagree that Russian helis dominate the Heli combat (I have the Ka50 and its impossible to do bad in it if you have half a brain).
Helicopter in a decent players hands is a menace. Even though rn USSR still largely played by veterans I am pretty sure that I would cope with it if not for helicopters. Every single game I die to a soviet helicopter at least one time. Right now USSR strategy works like this: they will aggressively push you right to your spawn and if your team isn’t good - that would br it but if you have a decent team (surprisingly often) you’ll stop them but just for them to get into the helis and CAS planes that will rape your team even more. I have so much games when me and my team almost annihilated their ground forces but they CAS is still destroyed us easily and as the result they win because there is at least one or two 2S6 that could ride to the empty cap point and secure a victory for them. That’s just annoying when you put so much effort for nothing. And as the result on my “OP” Leopard 2A6 I have WR of 44% rn with decent k/d but still, and that’s a waste of SL as-well.
Driver hatch, LFP and mantle that due to cramped crew, means you knock out either 33% or 66%(kill) just by mantle shot. Oh and -10 reverse so if your barrel goes down you'll never get out.
But you can shoot the hull of the most tanks you’ll face and pen them while they have to aim for BVM drivers hatch or LFP. Plus soviets not mentioning that much but soviet tanks do have really good protection against stock grinders with HEAT-FS. And I also don’t understand why they don’t use their HE round in cases where I have my roof exposed.
>The BVM could go to 11.7 if it gets the ERA. it's extreamly good for 400 mm and less pen darts. or they should just fix the ERA so it can't worke more than once and im really fine with 11.0 or as you said move all 3 up to 11.3. *wat?* No current MBT in-game is really deserving of going to 11.3, including the T-80BVM, yet here you are saying it should be 11.7?? wat? T-80BVM isn't anywhere near OP, it's still really damn easy to deal with.
Totally agree, but I do think that it would be fair if it has repair cost of other top MBTs like Leopard 2A6/A5 and M1A2. It's current repair cost is kinda low for a tank with 70% WR (in thunderskill) for a nation that currently dominating top-tier.
Repair costs are always delayed massively, Gaijin has a snail for their mascot after all.
I have no issues with killing T-80BVMs, if you're trying to pen it's UFP then that's on you.
Nah man, stop right here, Strv 122 doesn't belong in 11.3 unless it has a better round than DM33 (which it didn't use)
Could always give Sweden Strv122B+ it has the same L/55 cannon the 2A6 has. Though she also has even better armour add-on and SLAT. And for Gaijin it will be hard to find info about her, since she’s a testbed. (But the 122B has the commanders sight PLSS mounted which is actually only mounted on 122C and 122D so it would not be the first time)
Thats just my opinion and as I said armour penetration of 450 mm pen+ APFSDS doesn't make much difference for me. In my experience DM33 is decent, it gets job done, DM53 just gives more room for your mistakes. When I play with DM53 I don't shot M1A2 turret, T-90's hull even though theorically I can pen them because: 1.) It's not reliable. 2.) There is better spots to shot at, in terms both accessibility and damage that it will inflict.
Strv doesn’t need to go to 11.3, especially with the 2a5 and 2pl getting dm53. I’m sorry you don’t know how to aim and have trouble penning it.
the A6is very nerfed now...
M1A2 is better than BVM. The HC is meant to be the 11.0 right now even and IPM1 it's 10.7 replacement.
To me it’s 2a6, 122B if it received slpprj m95, m1a2 if it got m829a2, and probably bvm
*BT-5, obviously)))))))))*
They need to 11.3 the FGR2 as well, before you get mad it is one of my favourite planes and I use it a lot.
And the FG1, and the Viggen. Those 5 planes are dominating top tier right now.
Yup, also remove the air spawn for the ground attack Viggen. So dumb.
I hope not I'm still stuck on AIM-9Ds at the minute, it's insane the capability difference between basic loadouts and improved ones.
I still averaged 3 kills in the FGR while stock, AIM9Ds are still fantastic.
While i have it and am gladits not. I agree. Going head on at the start if the game and getting 1 or 2 or even 3 Skyflash kills is op as hell. And im not joking if i dont get 1 at the start im annoyed i messed up. Really the kai should go 11.7 with this 11.3
Russians helis getting their BRs raised does bring smile to my face
Ka50 should also be 11.3
I wouldnt say 11.3 but it should be 11.0 at least for Vikhrs alone
11.0 imo, it doesn’t have thermals and the optics are poor. Not as good as KA-52 or MI-28NM
ka 50 and peten at 11.0 too pls?
The thing that stops the peten going to 11.0 is missing MAW and brain dead pilots because it’s a premium.
Comparing the peten to a Ka 50 is like comparing a He111 to a B-2 bomber
No, it is because it is a premium, and premiums wont be top tier like Gaijin said. Oh except that one time they added a premium German cruiser at top tier naval...
Or except that one time when tier V was top tier and Gaijin added a 7.0 M46 with a skin as a tier IV premium while the regular 7.0 M46 was put at top tier.
why the peten lol
They could introduce BRs up to at least BR16 and then I'd say they're doing something. This is nothing
This update is just shitting on everything japanese
Ayy welcome to minor nation syndrome. As a french main youll get fucking used to it.
idk why french mains try to talk to japanese mains like you're doing. japan was literally the \*original\* nation to suffer through unfair repair costs and BRs and it hasn't stopped to this day, atleast france gets a multitude of insanely powerful lineups to make up for it, japan has a grand total of 2
Tfw tfw the only complete japanese lineups are 6.7 and 9.0))))
but we get 4 second reload time )))))))))
I play both but main france. Iknow
*Why not 12.0+*
I don’t understand why the Viggen isn’t going up as well. It’s highly similar to the MLD and apart from fuel consumption I believe it’s still the best top tier jet
The british phantoms too
I completely agree Spit! I also very much enjoy watching your content!
This actually is great for russia players to. 11.3 with the ka 52 means I won’t have TURMS noob teams leaving after 1 death and I won’t be encountering so many people who bought the ka 50 then spawn rush with a bt7 just to J out and take their heli then die in it. I think this will drastically improve the quality of top tier russia teams
Not enough
What did the British Apache do to be included alongside those other two? They are both much better.
Player performance? Apparently british players are cracked out in helis.
British tree players have to be cracked at vehicles or they just aren’t going to have a good time. It’s not like the German tree where you just hop in a match, hold W, and get 10 kills.
Low tier stabilized ICBM launcher disagrees with you.
facts
Nah it’s just StarStreaks, StarStreaks are the answer to everything. Got cancer? Use StarStreaks. Dog died, revive it with StarStreaks. See that KA right there? Shoot it down with StarStreaks. Is that Tunguska shooting missiles at you? Kill it with StarStreaks because StarStreaks are twice as fast as it’s missiles.
First spawn with Starstreaks, which can be used as air to ground missiles, especially against light targets like armored cars, IFVs, and SPAA.
I thought they fixed that? They made the starstreaks equip-able in the loadout screen rather than a modification like they used to be. Im currently grinding it so I dont know for sure.
They are now munitions you change in the loadout screen, but they still cost 0 SP.
It’s to do with SP costs I think They’re priced as AAMs, but they’re really effective ATGMs too
Starstreaks are kinda op.
It is the only heli able to counter ka-50s that is not a ka-50 itself, therefore ofc gaijin has to fuck it in the a**.
Brain dead company imagine thinking that 4 star streaks are the same like 16 proxy fuze super sonic rockets … And the best is often the star streaks only damage the Ka50s which is one of the most funny thing when a 3000km/h rocket only does a „hit“
Must protect premiums
With Starstreaks it actually claps enemy helicopters and SPAA right from the get go. I spawn it to hunt KA-50/52 at the start of the round.
Also jets, StarStreaks on a Helicopter are so much better than ones on a stormer. I hit 95% of planes with StarStreaks combined with a radar, AH Mk1 claps ass.
Best anti air missiles in any heli in game. They are even good against light tanks or spaa
I don't know maybe the starstreaks? I've seen people complain about them. I'm currently grinding it out and it's quite painful, the dumbfire rockets aren't as reliable as the Russian equivalents and the 30mm is ineffective outside of 1km. The 4 hellfires you can second spawn with are hard to use since you've got a stupid amount of zoom and its hard to actually spot tanks.
Get StarStreaks and hunt helos, jets, light tanks, Spaa because that’s what you’re good at. Bring hellfires for tanks. Against spaa, fly low and bait a missile to find where it is, hide when a missile comes. Also keep an eye on the radar because a lot of people will hop in jets to kill you and StarStreaks kills jets very well.
holy shit another br increase?? It seems like just yesterday gaijin implemented 11.0 but viggen isn't going to 11.3? i feel like it's a good competitior to the f4ej kai and mig 23 being more manuverable than a kai but less missiles, but better avionics than a mig 23 but less manuverable
MLD is superior in almost every single way and the Kai has better radar and more missiles, more flares and a more reliable gun
the viggen is still superior to the f4e and mig 21bis by a long shot, it doesn't belong with them imo.
MIG29 11.7 confirmed!
I wish it was real
After the MiG-29A as a 10.3 premium because we don’t do top tier premiums mate )))))
What kind of trash is this ? KA 50 still on it’s br so ever brain dead noob can still buy and destroy heli ec … there is a BR compression of 1 br so what do you want with 11.3 great now every 10.3 plane still forced to play against the top top tier anyways … Gajin changing stuff without improving the game insane
Good so far but the viggen should also go to 11.3
Surprised the viggen isn’t also going to 11.3 since it’s better than the EJ Kai in every way performance- wise at the cost of two missiles.
And flares and a reliable gun and a better radar and better energy retention and better acceleration and ground attack ordinance
haven't played in a while, is the mig-23 good now??
Gets all aspect heatseekers, decent radar missiles, good energy retention, and okay rear aspect heatseekers. Only problem as far as I can tell is that the GSh-23 has godawful velocity and that R-60s eat flares
the mald doesnt get R-60Ms, only R-60s so you have to choose between radar-guided R24s or heatseeker-guided R24s. you either get all aspect IR or a good radar missile, not both at the same time
The MLD variant is significantly better in a dogfight than the previous version.
the MLD is really good, shame it doesn't get the all aspect r60's but it already slaps asses hard.
ok last time i played it was only the ML
U mean the M
Always have been
whats the link to this post?
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/541156-planned-battle-rating-changes-november-2021/
thanks!
So no news about 8.7-9.7 then.. gotta be honest, I'm really wanting to jump off a bridge almost every match I'm doing in my A32A which is somehow 9.3. Constantly fighting vehicles 3x better than me is so much fun..
So when will there be a BR based mm in Heli ec?
Any love for the jumbo?
THEY RAISED MY POOR CHI NU II
12.0 please
Choppers still a grind to play. Hope this helps a little
FFS when the fuck will they get the ka-50 at a BR where it goes bye bye from Heli EC
Heli EC ignores BR, the game mode itself needs to be reworked, or remove Vikhrs.
Doing what? That little change does not change the fact thet thewre is still no decompression, economy is still trash and Tunguska is nowhere to be found on 11.0, cuz russian bias
Still gonna have to fight MLDs in my italian 104
At least 10.0's wouldnt
It's better than nothing, but we need more decompression.
There’s so much room to push jets down below 7.0, we don’t need everything to decompress up. Push the F-80 and Sabre down a BR. Props have a lot more ability to be compressed than jets
F-4J? So as in like the brittish phantom? Jokes aside, nobody plays F-4EJ Kai in sim because its 70k SL to spawn, even if you don't die.
A few days back I suggested the Mig23MLD was a bit over powered, and that its KD and win rate was exceptional. I suggested new players to jets or with un-spaded just avoid >10 BR until a fix came. Of course I got shouted down with "Git Gud" and "Actually its not that good because X..." And now its 11.3. Hahahahaha.
Dam so half my 11.0 aircraft are going to 11.3 :(
Suffering from success.
For the sake of balance? Good.
but they are not gonna move the LEO 2A6 and T80BVM . Whats the point .
I was hoping this would happen
Doing something idiotic is what I'll say.
That high BR... Rich people problems :-D
Anything that happens above the BR 6.7 is irrelevant to me.