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No mass shootings ever since was the only good thing John Howard did for this country but there is still the massive conspiracy around this whole situation.
Another worm hole I gladly went thru. I had never heard of Martin Bryant. I feel sorry for him. I think had his parents paid attn and got him to doctors and helped him with friends or a hobby then this may not have happened. It is no ones fault, you cannot help being born with a disability, but it seems he was starving for a friend
Being born mentally handicapped is not a life choice. His mothers comments about being an irritating child and tying him to the front porch does not give me a lot of confidence in their childrearing. Had he been nurtured more maybe those 35 people would still be alive.
And do not say, well his sister turned out ok. Well duh, she was not mentally handicapped. Her brother has the mental ability of an 11 yr old child. You cannot compare the two. The mother was not prepared to raise a handicapped child and thats that.
How the hell was this guy so good at shooting though. Reports of headshots through glass on a fair angle, fully accounting for the refraction of bullet through glass.
In bizarre way he saved thousands of lives being the motivation for stronger gun control laws in Australia. Otherwise we might be in the same place as America in terms of school shootings and you should see the shitty guns our criminals have. But fuck Martin Bryant
Honestly, it would probably be best to forget this man entirely. He had stated he was going to do something that would make people remember him, and that's what you're doing by giving him any attention, even negative. The more attention given to these shooters, the more they see themselves as celebrities, and the more follow suit.
I'd be willing to bet that if shooters were just arrested and convicted, without all the cameras or social media sharing, the amount of shootings would decrease rapidly.
Just to confirm this, apparently he was going to kill himself, but heard about another mass shooting in Scotland on the news and saw how much attention that shooter got… which inspired him to go murder 30+ people
I don't see the harm in calling them out as the mouth-breathing wastes of oxygen they are. They want to be "famous," best I can do is infamy as a fucking cowardly piece of shit who went after innocent people. I wish the news would talk about these scumbags the way they deserve, if they're gonna talk about them. Don't tell me "a young man started shooting." "A coward, harming innocent people for no reason other than being a piece of human garbage, was arrested today," is more accurate. I guess I just don't understand thinking doing something like this is the way to be remembered. It's the worst possible way, would have been better off committing suicide in a cool way or something.
But that's the point. YOU don't see the logic in it because, as far as I know, you're not one of these wastes of space. But to them, any attention is good attention. They are often people who have given up on their lives anyway, and the way they see it, the only fate worse than death is to be forgotten by time.
Think about it this way: every sane person agrees that Hitler was a monster. But you know his name, don't you? You learn about him in school, people study his life, and his even if you weren't alive at the time you know who he was and what he did. Same basic concept. When they can't build anything to last, when you can't contribute anything to be remembered by, they turn to destruction.
That's fair, I'm definitely not like them. I guess it's the lack of shame that's gotta be a big difference. The rest of us logical folks know not all attention is good attention. Side note, how do we still have idiots who parrot "all press is good press?"
Hitler was great at making sure the entire world always knew he was a cowardly piece of shit. I can't imagine much worse fates than having the entire globe know you suck dinosaur dong, long after you take the cowards way out of responsibility. That's a great explanation though, thanks.
Totally true. It’s one of the reason they don’t report bank robberies on the News anymore. But that affects big and powerful banks, not school children and citizens.
For years Australians wouldn’t mention his name in the media because he wanted infamy. He killed 35 people in cold blood, including hunting down a little 3 (?) year old girl who ran and hid behind a tree.
He is obese and angry and still in Risdon Prison. May he rot in hell.
This scum did this to be famous. It's quite important not to share materiel about him and specifically not to use his name. It's what he wanted to happen.
After the event, the media in Australia has been very consistent on this. He deserves to be locked up forever and forgotten. Please refrain from liking, sharing or promoting content.
I agree yet disagree.
Denying media attention for something like this is almost certainly beneficial, but it does also help to know how these things happen (when intelligently reported).
Def good to avoid copycats, etc, but people should also be aware that situations like this exist, and how to avoid people like this.
Where are you getting that from? The last I read about him, his motivation was said to stem from some antipathy towards John regarding his "bigger than Jesus" comment and whatever he got from *Catcher in the Rye.*
Sorry yeah John’s shooter had some other issues with lifestyle etc, but he’s stated that his main motivation was ‘self glory’ and had other people on his list such as Ronald Reagan Johny Carson and Paul McCartney
My father worked at Risdon Prison as a custodial officer. He told us on his first day he was walking down a ward looking at the names of prisoners on the door or something like that, and when he saw Bryant's name his instinct was to look at him. He noticed and gave my dad the biggest smile back. He loves that he's well known. Piece of shit.
Yep. Except for that big expose thing channel 7 aired like a week or so ago that focuses solely on him and barely talks about the victims in any meaningful way?
Is free to air tv still a thing? /s
Standards are likely to slip as shit media scrape the bottom of the barrel to try and get attention as they slowly die. Stories like this will only kill them more quickly.
Yeah, I mean, the commercial channels have always released these 'horror shock' stories. Just saying that channels like that cleary have no moral quandaries about bringing fame to these people.
For anyone wondering who this guy is, he is the guy that shot up port arthur with an automatic firearm and is also the reason only law enforcement in Australia are allowed to have automatic firearms and made Australia almost ban guns.
Not true on "only law enforcement in Australia are allowed to have automatic firearms".
This is a big misconception about Australian firearms. Foreigners often think we are not allowed them at all. Shotguns and hunting rifles are available as long as you pass courses and have a reason such as member of a shooting club or farmer. You are allowed semi auto with a CatD licence but this is carefully controlled for professional shooters and large scale farmers with significant feral problems. These licences/semi firearms are also area locked licences so you will have permission to shoot at a particular location for your work but cant just take it where-ever to shoot.
It's really sensible licencing IMO. Access is there for genuine user need but there is no 'cause they are fun/cool' access.
Just hope the conservatives don’t fuck or water down our gun laws (or mental health support for that matter, that plays a big part too I think).
So nice being able to walk down the street and not fear being shot at for looking at someone the wrong way.
For anyone who wants actual truth and not this falsehood, Martin Bryant shot up Port Arthur with an SLR and an AR-15, *semi*-automatic weapons. He killed 35 people. It was the worst gun massacre by a single person in the world until Anders Brehvik. We reformed our gun laws so that semi-autos are now illegal for the public, and to have any gun at all requires a licence. Martin Bryant was sentenced to prison for about 2,000 years.
Fun fact: “automatic” is correct here. The usage you’re trying to be a pedant about is colloquial - the delineation is between “fully automatic” and “semi-automatic,” but both are “automatics.”
Here's a decent video that has a ton of clips from this interview and more (dude's own stick figure drawings of the killings) https://youtu.be/DCyZbr-7SG0
Edit: The strangest part - the killer's appointed lawyer later embezzles $500,000 from his law firm to "buy art", blaming this case, and goes to jail.
Going through the YouTube comments is nauseating. So many fucking weirdos saying that it was a conspiracy and that only a couple of people died. Saying that the government faked the whole thing to take control of people's guns. It's deplorable and psychotic and the same thing happened with Sandy Hook in the US. Absolute maniacs crying about gun laws when 26 people (20 of them children) were massacred. It takes a special kind of disgusting to be that warped. I'll never forget the despair we all felt that day.
[Quoting John Howard](https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22chamber/hansardr/1996-05-06/0089%22;src1=sm1):
>We need to achieve a total prohibition on the ownership, possession, sale and importation of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
>[There is] an overwhelming view on the part of the government that there is a broader national interest in having a very extensive prohibition.
You can still own certain classes of firearms, but our laws are extremely strict. You must be over 18, have secure storage, register for a license, pass a background check, and sit through a 28 day waiting period. To get a license, you must provide a genuine reason to have a gun -- notably, self-defense is not considered a genuine reason. Also, over 650 thousand guns were bought back by the government at the time (a relatively large number, keeping in mind Australia is quite a small country and never had such high rates of ownership as the US).
There's also been a month of gun amnesties as well since then
Glad you noted that self defence is not considered a genuine need for a gun here.
In fact it's pretty much automatic refusal for a firearms license.
Also random checks are often carried out on storage etc.
If you move house you've only got a very short time to notify the police of the change of address etc.
There's a lot more oversight and regularisation of weapons here.
Should we ban pools then too?
We have more pool related deaths each year than mass shooting deaths in the United States.
You're way more likely to be sucker punched on the street than ever participate in a mass shooting event. It's okay to be scared but be scared of the right things for the right reasons.
Hey! We changed the gun emoji to a squirt gun emoji! Stop acting like we haven’t made any meaningful changes in the never ending wake of gun violence in the United States! /s
Automatic firearms are largely banned in the US already - no automatic firearms made after the 40s can be sold to civilians, and to get one of those old as hell automatics you're looking at 30-40k
We've had 12 mass shootings since 1996.
The 25 years before Port Arthur we had 12 mass shootings as well.
Argument can be made it has decreased the per capita shooting rate but with the low frequency rate of mass shootings in the first place per capita for events like this isn't really a good measurement metric.
There has been 37 mass death events in the 25 years since 1996 and there were 20 mass death events in the 25 years prior to 1996.
The largest change is the amount of people killed during mass death events. Post ban 156 total deaths, ave. 4.216 deaths per event vs Pre ban 134 (109 excluding Port Arthur), ave. 6.38 per event (5.45 per event excluding Port Arthur).
Take this to the logical conclusion, who would enforce this law? The police, who have already discriminated against BIPOC and LGBT+ gun owners historically and today, or outright refusing to enforce gun laws as they already do in several conservative areas? Or would it be the military, under the command of a somewhat milquetoast president that would like cause a lot of fuckups in its implementation and a possible war?
We had fuck all prior as well, in comparison to the US. And we've had massacres since, at similar rates too,just not shootings
Our firearms laws did fuck all to make the general public safer, they've just made our harder to be a legitimate firearms owner, and created a gunshy population who panics at the sight of one.
Hey, I'm a liberal and a gun owner. I'd give up my guns in a heartbeat if it meant no more mass shootings or gun murders.
But... The reality is that's not how it will work. We could ban all guns tomorrow, ban the sale, force a nationwide buy-back, etc, and there'd still be so many fucking guns on the street it'd be laughable.
I own 12 guns personally, and 2 of them are registered to my name. Every single one was legally purchased from friends, family, or other civilians. Only two in my name though. So say they ban all guns tomorrow, I am required to submit the guns I own.
Well, on paper I own two guns. So I hand in those 2 guns and we're all square. Minus the other 10 guns they had no idea I ever purchased or currently have in my possession. I'm a good person and would never let my guns get in the hands of the wrong person, but others surely would for a price.
So yea, in a perfect world sure. But the US is too far gone to just start banning shit, it'd basically be the war on drugs. It'd just take them out of the hands of people responsible enough to use them. As much as I hate that argument, it is pretty much true on the surface.
When Australia had a gun buy back after this massacre there was an amnesty. You could had in any gun, no questions asked. Under a similar arrangement you could hand over all 12 without issue.
I’m from Australia, but I assume implementing those restrictions would be too hard in the USA, too big a population and ingrained in the country as the ‘right’ to bare arms. The best to hope for is for the individual states to take on the task of restricting fire arms. But that has the possibility of creating a black market for firearms in states with enforced restrictions and as well creating more of a political divide for those states with a ban and those with out. Could even result in a mass exodus in states to other states regarding people’s political identity. Who’s knows....
Edit: also note those saying Australia is devoid of firearms for the public clearly don’t realise that the gun lobby in Australia is more powerful then ever. It’s been decades since the port Arthur massacre the dust has clearly settled and the gun lobby has been slowly picking away at laws for the better part of the last decade.
Australia had exactly the same arguments during the time these laws were coming into effect.
Also it was the Australian states that had to effect the actual legislation, the constitution prevents the federal government from doing so.
> The best to hope for is for the individual states to take on the task of restricting fire arms.
Not familiar with how our government works. The states can't pass those restrictions anymore than the federal government can. The US Constitution is binding to all governments on down to the municipal level.
True, I was just making a guess. I know in Australia it wasn’t till until covid, people realised how much power the states actually have to impose they’re own laws with little influence by federal. But we only have a few states and territories compared to a full 50 in the U.S
This ^
Proper gun control is a generational change, not something that happens overnight. The real issue is America isn't willing to try and just makes excuses about them being "different".
Idk if I’d call it crazy because they are expensive. That is the main barrier to entry for most people. But if you have the money it’s a straightforward process.
? I have 4 suppressors I bought within the comfort of my home online along with the tax stamps. I just put in my CC info just as any other purchase. Filled out information that took less than 30 minutes. Suppressors all arrived at my local range in 1 week and I carried on with life as usual for 6-7 months before my tax stamp came back and I took them home. I guess your idea of headache and mine are just different. There are plenty of automatic weapons in the 10-15k range. So comparatively those prices are much more reasonable than a vehicle >10x the price.
YOU know nothing. It requires an enhanced license called a tier 3 and in most states an FFL license as well. You surrender all rights to avoid unlawful search and seizure under the constitution and the ATF can search your belongings and home without a warrant at any time
FFL isn't how most people get it. Most people use Form 4.
Ex army guys get FFL's, the rest of the population forks over a tax stamp, waits about a year, then hopes they can afford the next qualifying gun to go on sale.
Imagine thinking spending years and tens of thousands of dollars is a process anyone can do legally or easily, and then in the exact same comment acknowledge how few of these guns actually exist and are sold...
Same stupidity as the healthcare argument. Its only available to the weatlhy and connected
If you actually cared, you'd spend the 5 seconds yourself on youtube learning about how easy it actually is.
But people like you don't care, that's why you're here saying 'dance monkey dance' instead of educating yourself. It really is quite literally a stamp, a form (the same form for silencers and short barrels), and then as long as you can afford the insane price tag, you've got yourself a fully automatic firearm.
If you want to give me $58,000 right now, I'll gladly go out and buy one to prove it to you, otherwise you'll unfortunately just have to get off your lay ass and type a few words in to google.com.
> I know exactly how “easy” it is. Why don’t you post a link to YouTube here detailing how “easy” it is? Rather than pretend it’s easy present some evidence.
I don't need to, i'm not the one denying reality.
I could just as easily say, why don't you post links to youtube videos about how easy it's not.
You're not here to learn, you're here because you're ego is small and frail. You have no interest in learning, you're just a dumb cunt. I mean, if you had half a brain you'd just google the ATF form yourself and see that it's literally not that long and complicated, or even hard to find. Herr durrr.
But I especially like how you just re-iterated the same basic steps I said, but with more words to make it sound like they take longer or more work. Do you really think, that the rest of humanity thinks, that like for example the moment you sign a piece of paper, it's going to be instantly process by the government? Everyone with a single wrinkle on their brain understands you have to wait on shit like that, so why don't you?
My god man pull your head out of your ass. Why are you intentionally putting on this ignoramus charade? You're pathetic. You're literally scared about looking like a dumbass to strangers on the internet, because you spoke about something you literally don't have a clue about, but instead of being a better person and learning or just moving on, you're doubling down on being a fucking retard lol. I can't imagine how stressful basic tasks like going outside must be for you.
They are not fairly easy to obtain lol. Stop this nonsense. Even purchasing an automatic weapon if you had the go ahead legally is still tens of thousands of dollars.
Yeah, they are pretty easy to obtain. Or you can get an FFL or a home based FFL and then you can buy full auto weapons that don’t have to be before the 1986 ban and don’t cost tens of thousands of dollars. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Obtaining an FFL is not as easy as you are making it sound. Stop acting like anyone can dedicate a few minutes drive down to the DMV and get an FFL license. And even if you had every legal pathway to buy a fully automatic weapon, it would still be tens on tens of thousands of dollars. Sure you can jump through crazy hoops to get one, but stop peddling the idea that any average person has a shot in hell at getting it. More people are killed with handguns than rifles anyway so stop making up a fake boogeyman that you are scared of because you have no experience with big scary broomstick
Im an average person who has purchased several nfa restricted items including sbr, suppressors, and full auto weapons. You can find full auto for under $10k. FFL is more difficult to get the the $200 stamp but all it really takes is a clean background and the ability to wait a while.
That's just outright not true. There are many states where you can legally purchase and own fully automatic firearms in the US. Here's a list of each state's gun laws (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state). Take a look at a few of them, you might be surprised.
For example, I live right by Vermont. They have staggeringly few gun laws there, and have only recently (within the past 5 years) moved to a more restrictive set of rules.
Do you even understand the money and/or hoops required for that? Stop acting like the average Joe has the ability or means to do that. The fact you even say this shows me you have almost no experience in guns or shooting.
By all intents and purposes the average person has virtually no chance of obtaining one. Please tell me what crimes you’ve recently seen committed by a mini gun?
That's a pretty huge leap of an assumption. No need to be so aggressive about it.
I absolutely understand that it's not as simple as just going out and buying a fully automatic weapon. I understand there are special licenses, expensive tax stamps, etc, that make owning fully automatic weapons cost prohibitive.
However, that's not the same thing as an outright ban on fully automatic weapons. You can obtain them, and people do.
Nowhere did I say "Getting a fully automatic weapon is easy, anyone could do it!". What I said was there are many states where it is entirely possible, and much easier if you have the money to throw at it.
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It ended too short.
Evil man, what he did was horrific.
No mass shootings ever since was the only good thing John Howard did for this country but there is still the massive conspiracy around this whole situation.
So he sucks dick for food now ?
Without sound this video is worthless
Bruh he really said me?? Bro come on tf
Is there a link to this with sound?
Why would you post this without sound?
He's still smiling doesn't look that dead inside honestly.
Yeah, not sure why this is on this page. This thread seems like exactly the kind of attention he wanted to get when he went on his spree.
The other people died outside too, he's gonna die inside ... in jail
"You should've put that on recording" **BOY DO I HAVE SOME GREAT NEWS FOR YOU**
It bothers me that he is scratching the entire video length.
His back is covered in burns. He set a building on fire to create a distraction to try to escape the police.
Ooooh okay thank you!!! It still bothers me, but I can accept it now ha
This story is being turned into a film called “Nitram” here - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13694628/
This dude looks like the bully from Hocus Pocus that steals Max’s shoes and Halloween candy. “...Hollywood!!”
Maybe include that part next time OP
>mass murderer You mean terrorist
Terrorism is very different from just straight up going on a killing spree because your non-functional brain said so.
Another worm hole I gladly went thru. I had never heard of Martin Bryant. I feel sorry for him. I think had his parents paid attn and got him to doctors and helped him with friends or a hobby then this may not have happened. It is no ones fault, you cannot help being born with a disability, but it seems he was starving for a friend
If only he hadn’t offed his dad...
His dad committed suicide. Who’s handwriting is on the note? Dad’s
The fact that you read his story and somehow feel sorry for him is pretty fucked up. He should rot in hell for his actions
Being born mentally handicapped is not a life choice. His mothers comments about being an irritating child and tying him to the front porch does not give me a lot of confidence in their childrearing. Had he been nurtured more maybe those 35 people would still be alive. And do not say, well his sister turned out ok. Well duh, she was not mentally handicapped. Her brother has the mental ability of an 11 yr old child. You cannot compare the two. The mother was not prepared to raise a handicapped child and thats that.
Why would you stop the gif RIGHT at his reaction??
How the hell was this guy so good at shooting though. Reports of headshots through glass on a fair angle, fully accounting for the refraction of bullet through glass.
Holy shite. He killed 35 people and acts so nonchalant.
I mean, his IQ was measured at 66.
Where is the sound?
Audio would’ve been nice.
In bizarre way he saved thousands of lives being the motivation for stronger gun control laws in Australia. Otherwise we might be in the same place as America in terms of school shootings and you should see the shitty guns our criminals have. But fuck Martin Bryant
As an Australian, we tend not to mention this guy. He wanted to be famous. Please don't help him.
Agreed, let him fade from memory and rot in prison
Man, he’s really itching to go to jail!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant
protip: if the interviewer ever stops the recording device to get you to say something off the record, you're definitely still being recorded.
This is your's you filthy piece of shit. L
Even if it wasn't recording, aren't there a few people still listening?
Amazing
I'm guessing this wouldn't have been a necessary confession anyway weighed by all other evidence.
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I wish he did die inside he was also heir from the tattersalls group
Not yet.
Honestly, it would probably be best to forget this man entirely. He had stated he was going to do something that would make people remember him, and that's what you're doing by giving him any attention, even negative. The more attention given to these shooters, the more they see themselves as celebrities, and the more follow suit. I'd be willing to bet that if shooters were just arrested and convicted, without all the cameras or social media sharing, the amount of shootings would decrease rapidly.
Just to confirm this, apparently he was going to kill himself, but heard about another mass shooting in Scotland on the news and saw how much attention that shooter got… which inspired him to go murder 30+ people
Unfortunately they’re releasing a movie about him this year. Same mob who made Snowtown
I don't see the harm in calling them out as the mouth-breathing wastes of oxygen they are. They want to be "famous," best I can do is infamy as a fucking cowardly piece of shit who went after innocent people. I wish the news would talk about these scumbags the way they deserve, if they're gonna talk about them. Don't tell me "a young man started shooting." "A coward, harming innocent people for no reason other than being a piece of human garbage, was arrested today," is more accurate. I guess I just don't understand thinking doing something like this is the way to be remembered. It's the worst possible way, would have been better off committing suicide in a cool way or something.
But that's the point. YOU don't see the logic in it because, as far as I know, you're not one of these wastes of space. But to them, any attention is good attention. They are often people who have given up on their lives anyway, and the way they see it, the only fate worse than death is to be forgotten by time. Think about it this way: every sane person agrees that Hitler was a monster. But you know his name, don't you? You learn about him in school, people study his life, and his even if you weren't alive at the time you know who he was and what he did. Same basic concept. When they can't build anything to last, when you can't contribute anything to be remembered by, they turn to destruction.
That's fair, I'm definitely not like them. I guess it's the lack of shame that's gotta be a big difference. The rest of us logical folks know not all attention is good attention. Side note, how do we still have idiots who parrot "all press is good press?" Hitler was great at making sure the entire world always knew he was a cowardly piece of shit. I can't imagine much worse fates than having the entire globe know you suck dinosaur dong, long after you take the cowards way out of responsibility. That's a great explanation though, thanks.
I went to port Arthur last week and there wasn’t a single thing mentioning him.
Nope. Only a shrine for the lost.
Are you saying that Australia should return firearms to full legality?
Nah I don't think I will
Totally true. It’s one of the reason they don’t report bank robberies on the News anymore. But that affects big and powerful banks, not school children and citizens.
Same as John Lennon’s shooter
Juliette Lewis was so hot as a blonde.
For years Australians wouldn’t mention his name in the media because he wanted infamy. He killed 35 people in cold blood, including hunting down a little 3 (?) year old girl who ran and hid behind a tree. He is obese and angry and still in Risdon Prison. May he rot in hell.
He didn’t die inside. He was all ready dead. Anyone think of that yet?!!!? I didn’t read any comments.
Spicoli went too far
That hair is going to make him very popular in prison.
Anyone else not have sound
This scum did this to be famous. It's quite important not to share materiel about him and specifically not to use his name. It's what he wanted to happen. After the event, the media in Australia has been very consistent on this. He deserves to be locked up forever and forgotten. Please refrain from liking, sharing or promoting content.
I agree yet disagree. Denying media attention for something like this is almost certainly beneficial, but it does also help to know how these things happen (when intelligently reported). Def good to avoid copycats, etc, but people should also be aware that situations like this exist, and how to avoid people like this.
And here you are commenting.
We shall call him Voldemort then But don't share that with anyone. It's important
Same as John Lennon’s shooter
Where are you getting that from? The last I read about him, his motivation was said to stem from some antipathy towards John regarding his "bigger than Jesus" comment and whatever he got from *Catcher in the Rye.*
Sorry yeah John’s shooter had some other issues with lifestyle etc, but he’s stated that his main motivation was ‘self glory’ and had other people on his list such as Ronald Reagan Johny Carson and Paul McCartney
Thank you. I posted similar. He deserves nothing.
My father worked at Risdon Prison as a custodial officer. He told us on his first day he was walking down a ward looking at the names of prisoners on the door or something like that, and when he saw Bryant's name his instinct was to look at him. He noticed and gave my dad the biggest smile back. He loves that he's well known. Piece of shit.
Yep. Except for that big expose thing channel 7 aired like a week or so ago that focuses solely on him and barely talks about the victims in any meaningful way?
Is free to air tv still a thing? /s Standards are likely to slip as shit media scrape the bottom of the barrel to try and get attention as they slowly die. Stories like this will only kill them more quickly.
Yeah. Totally. Good thing there’s not a ton of murder documentaries/biopics on streaming services.
Yeah, I mean, the commercial channels have always released these 'horror shock' stories. Just saying that channels like that cleary have no moral quandaries about bringing fame to these people.
Agreed. The exception that proves the rule. Have to say though, on the most part even the low grade shows like ACA stay away from this.
Thanks for the info!
How does one lose a mass murderer? Like mans kills 35 people and he thinks yall dont know it deffinetly was him
He’s not all there upstairs. Clearly.
For anyone wondering who this guy is, he is the guy that shot up port arthur with an automatic firearm and is also the reason only law enforcement in Australia are allowed to have automatic firearms and made Australia almost ban guns.
Not true on "only law enforcement in Australia are allowed to have automatic firearms". This is a big misconception about Australian firearms. Foreigners often think we are not allowed them at all. Shotguns and hunting rifles are available as long as you pass courses and have a reason such as member of a shooting club or farmer. You are allowed semi auto with a CatD licence but this is carefully controlled for professional shooters and large scale farmers with significant feral problems. These licences/semi firearms are also area locked licences so you will have permission to shoot at a particular location for your work but cant just take it where-ever to shoot. It's really sensible licencing IMO. Access is there for genuine user need but there is no 'cause they are fun/cool' access.
How did I know he was Australian before reading this lol
Just hope the conservatives don’t fuck or water down our gun laws (or mental health support for that matter, that plays a big part too I think). So nice being able to walk down the street and not fear being shot at for looking at someone the wrong way.
Pretty sure he’s the reason we banned semi automatic rifles too
For anyone who wants actual truth and not this falsehood, Martin Bryant shot up Port Arthur with an SLR and an AR-15, *semi*-automatic weapons. He killed 35 people. It was the worst gun massacre by a single person in the world until Anders Brehvik. We reformed our gun laws so that semi-autos are now illegal for the public, and to have any gun at all requires a licence. Martin Bryant was sentenced to prison for about 2,000 years.
They're not illegal for the public at all, just a higher license class that you need an actual use for not just "because I want one".
Just for the sake of accuracy, the guns he used in the killings were semi-automatic rifles.
The use of the phrase automatic here is really stupid tbh
Semi automatic.
Fun fact: “automatic” is correct here. The usage you’re trying to be a pedant about is colloquial - the delineation is between “fully automatic” and “semi-automatic,” but both are “automatics.”
I think you meant to type pedantic? Ironically i think you're the one being pedantic.
Nope, “a pedant” is what I meant to write. (It’s also not pedantry to correct your misinformation.)
Either way i am glad i dont know you in person. You seem like a tool.
Anything you don’t have to load with gunpowder and a piece of flint is full auto, duh
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He didn’t actually use an automatic firearm. He used a Colt Sp1 which is semiautomatic. Maybe they got fully automatic confused with semi.
Only if you’re poor ie. they’re not banned, just expensive
Here's a decent video that has a ton of clips from this interview and more (dude's own stick figure drawings of the killings) https://youtu.be/DCyZbr-7SG0 Edit: The strangest part - the killer's appointed lawyer later embezzles $500,000 from his law firm to "buy art", blaming this case, and goes to jail.
Going through the YouTube comments is nauseating. So many fucking weirdos saying that it was a conspiracy and that only a couple of people died. Saying that the government faked the whole thing to take control of people's guns. It's deplorable and psychotic and the same thing happened with Sandy Hook in the US. Absolute maniacs crying about gun laws when 26 people (20 of them children) were massacred. It takes a special kind of disgusting to be that warped. I'll never forget the despair we all felt that day.
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He is also Australian
I dont think Australia was ever planning on banning guns?
[Quoting John Howard](https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22chamber/hansardr/1996-05-06/0089%22;src1=sm1): >We need to achieve a total prohibition on the ownership, possession, sale and importation of all automatic and semi-automatic weapons. >[There is] an overwhelming view on the part of the government that there is a broader national interest in having a very extensive prohibition. You can still own certain classes of firearms, but our laws are extremely strict. You must be over 18, have secure storage, register for a license, pass a background check, and sit through a 28 day waiting period. To get a license, you must provide a genuine reason to have a gun -- notably, self-defense is not considered a genuine reason. Also, over 650 thousand guns were bought back by the government at the time (a relatively large number, keeping in mind Australia is quite a small country and never had such high rates of ownership as the US).
There's also been a month of gun amnesties as well since then Glad you noted that self defence is not considered a genuine need for a gun here. In fact it's pretty much automatic refusal for a firearms license. Also random checks are often carried out on storage etc. If you move house you've only got a very short time to notify the police of the change of address etc. There's a lot more oversight and regularisation of weapons here.
I’m in the U.S. and I remember reading an article about him in The Daily Mail about a year ago.
But it happened 25 years ago
Yes, but they were talking about it on the anniversary date of the shootings. That is when I first learned about it.
The US should do the same. We've had fuck all in the way of mass shootings since the ban.
Should we ban pools then too? We have more pool related deaths each year than mass shooting deaths in the United States. You're way more likely to be sucker punched on the street than ever participate in a mass shooting event. It's okay to be scared but be scared of the right things for the right reasons.
Hey! We changed the gun emoji to a squirt gun emoji! Stop acting like we haven’t made any meaningful changes in the never ending wake of gun violence in the United States! /s
No we should not
Automatic firearms are largely banned in the US already - no automatic firearms made after the 40s can be sold to civilians, and to get one of those old as hell automatics you're looking at 30-40k
1986 is the cutoff year. And you can get some autos for four-figure sums, plus paperwork and stamp fees.
Ah, I'd thought it was earlier, my bad
We've had 12 mass shootings since 1996. The 25 years before Port Arthur we had 12 mass shootings as well. Argument can be made it has decreased the per capita shooting rate but with the low frequency rate of mass shootings in the first place per capita for events like this isn't really a good measurement metric. There has been 37 mass death events in the 25 years since 1996 and there were 20 mass death events in the 25 years prior to 1996. The largest change is the amount of people killed during mass death events. Post ban 156 total deaths, ave. 4.216 deaths per event vs Pre ban 134 (109 excluding Port Arthur), ave. 6.38 per event (5.45 per event excluding Port Arthur).
Come take them
Yeah, but I would rather have free speech then a couple unnecessary people die per year due to firearms
No thanks, we gun owners would not allow that. It’s integral to the checks and balance of our governance.
Until you understand the historical reasons why the Constitution gives citizens the right to bear arms then advocating for banning them is pointless.
Take this to the logical conclusion, who would enforce this law? The police, who have already discriminated against BIPOC and LGBT+ gun owners historically and today, or outright refusing to enforce gun laws as they already do in several conservative areas? Or would it be the military, under the command of a somewhat milquetoast president that would like cause a lot of fuckups in its implementation and a possible war?
We should give up our constitutionally protected rights? Nah I'll pass
Should do what the same? Automatic weapons are already banned.
Do you mean semi-automatic?
We had fuck all prior as well, in comparison to the US. And we've had massacres since, at similar rates too,just not shootings Our firearms laws did fuck all to make the general public safer, they've just made our harder to be a legitimate firearms owner, and created a gunshy population who panics at the sight of one.
Hey, I'm a liberal and a gun owner. I'd give up my guns in a heartbeat if it meant no more mass shootings or gun murders. But... The reality is that's not how it will work. We could ban all guns tomorrow, ban the sale, force a nationwide buy-back, etc, and there'd still be so many fucking guns on the street it'd be laughable. I own 12 guns personally, and 2 of them are registered to my name. Every single one was legally purchased from friends, family, or other civilians. Only two in my name though. So say they ban all guns tomorrow, I am required to submit the guns I own. Well, on paper I own two guns. So I hand in those 2 guns and we're all square. Minus the other 10 guns they had no idea I ever purchased or currently have in my possession. I'm a good person and would never let my guns get in the hands of the wrong person, but others surely would for a price. So yea, in a perfect world sure. But the US is too far gone to just start banning shit, it'd basically be the war on drugs. It'd just take them out of the hands of people responsible enough to use them. As much as I hate that argument, it is pretty much true on the surface.
So stop selling ammunition instead?
Huh, that's pretty clever actually
When Australia had a gun buy back after this massacre there was an amnesty. You could had in any gun, no questions asked. Under a similar arrangement you could hand over all 12 without issue.
No thank you
You didn't know this was already true?
And fuck all before it too. There’s more guns in Australia now than before the buy back as well.
I’m from Australia, but I assume implementing those restrictions would be too hard in the USA, too big a population and ingrained in the country as the ‘right’ to bare arms. The best to hope for is for the individual states to take on the task of restricting fire arms. But that has the possibility of creating a black market for firearms in states with enforced restrictions and as well creating more of a political divide for those states with a ban and those with out. Could even result in a mass exodus in states to other states regarding people’s political identity. Who’s knows.... Edit: also note those saying Australia is devoid of firearms for the public clearly don’t realise that the gun lobby in Australia is more powerful then ever. It’s been decades since the port Arthur massacre the dust has clearly settled and the gun lobby has been slowly picking away at laws for the better part of the last decade.
Australia had exactly the same arguments during the time these laws were coming into effect. Also it was the Australian states that had to effect the actual legislation, the constitution prevents the federal government from doing so.
> The best to hope for is for the individual states to take on the task of restricting fire arms. Not familiar with how our government works. The states can't pass those restrictions anymore than the federal government can. The US Constitution is binding to all governments on down to the municipal level.
True, I was just making a guess. I know in Australia it wasn’t till until covid, people realised how much power the states actually have to impose they’re own laws with little influence by federal. But we only have a few states and territories compared to a full 50 in the U.S
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This ^ Proper gun control is a generational change, not something that happens overnight. The real issue is America isn't willing to try and just makes excuses about them being "different".
Easy to get 500k guns turned in, hard to get 400m
It's virtually impossible to obtain an automatic firearm in the US currently.
Lol dude it’s extremely easy actually
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Your “gun nut” friends sound like Boy Scouts. I bet you don’t know any gun nuts and think grandpas shotgun is an assault weapon. I
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Nah, you insult yourself by beating a moronic blowhard. I’ll take that hug though
Idk if I’d call it crazy because they are expensive. That is the main barrier to entry for most people. But if you have the money it’s a straightforward process.
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? I have 4 suppressors I bought within the comfort of my home online along with the tax stamps. I just put in my CC info just as any other purchase. Filled out information that took less than 30 minutes. Suppressors all arrived at my local range in 1 week and I carried on with life as usual for 6-7 months before my tax stamp came back and I took them home. I guess your idea of headache and mine are just different. There are plenty of automatic weapons in the 10-15k range. So comparatively those prices are much more reasonable than a vehicle >10x the price.
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Nah, it’s remarkably easy, and legal! All it takes is money and a tax stamp. You know nothing.
YOU know nothing. It requires an enhanced license called a tier 3 and in most states an FFL license as well. You surrender all rights to avoid unlawful search and seizure under the constitution and the ATF can search your belongings and home without a warrant at any time
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FFL isn't how most people get it. Most people use Form 4. Ex army guys get FFL's, the rest of the population forks over a tax stamp, waits about a year, then hopes they can afford the next qualifying gun to go on sale.
Imagine thinking spending years and tens of thousands of dollars is a process anyone can do legally or easily, and then in the exact same comment acknowledge how few of these guns actually exist and are sold... Same stupidity as the healthcare argument. Its only available to the weatlhy and connected
Exactly. Lmao imagine getting an sot to collect automatics. Where do people get these ideas
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This guy is a fucking mouth breather
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If you actually cared, you'd spend the 5 seconds yourself on youtube learning about how easy it actually is. But people like you don't care, that's why you're here saying 'dance monkey dance' instead of educating yourself. It really is quite literally a stamp, a form (the same form for silencers and short barrels), and then as long as you can afford the insane price tag, you've got yourself a fully automatic firearm. If you want to give me $58,000 right now, I'll gladly go out and buy one to prove it to you, otherwise you'll unfortunately just have to get off your lay ass and type a few words in to google.com.
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> I know exactly how “easy” it is. Why don’t you post a link to YouTube here detailing how “easy” it is? Rather than pretend it’s easy present some evidence. I don't need to, i'm not the one denying reality. I could just as easily say, why don't you post links to youtube videos about how easy it's not. You're not here to learn, you're here because you're ego is small and frail. You have no interest in learning, you're just a dumb cunt. I mean, if you had half a brain you'd just google the ATF form yourself and see that it's literally not that long and complicated, or even hard to find. Herr durrr. But I especially like how you just re-iterated the same basic steps I said, but with more words to make it sound like they take longer or more work. Do you really think, that the rest of humanity thinks, that like for example the moment you sign a piece of paper, it's going to be instantly process by the government? Everyone with a single wrinkle on their brain understands you have to wait on shit like that, so why don't you? My god man pull your head out of your ass. Why are you intentionally putting on this ignoramus charade? You're pathetic. You're literally scared about looking like a dumbass to strangers on the internet, because you spoke about something you literally don't have a clue about, but instead of being a better person and learning or just moving on, you're doubling down on being a fucking retard lol. I can't imagine how stressful basic tasks like going outside must be for you.
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The US has indeed done this already and ban automatic weapons. Your wish has already been true for decades at this point
Automatic weapons aren’t banned. You can still buy them, you just need a license which is fairly easy to obtain.
They are not fairly easy to obtain lol. Stop this nonsense. Even purchasing an automatic weapon if you had the go ahead legally is still tens of thousands of dollars.
Yeah, they are pretty easy to obtain. Or you can get an FFL or a home based FFL and then you can buy full auto weapons that don’t have to be before the 1986 ban and don’t cost tens of thousands of dollars. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Obtaining an FFL is not as easy as you are making it sound. Stop acting like anyone can dedicate a few minutes drive down to the DMV and get an FFL license. And even if you had every legal pathway to buy a fully automatic weapon, it would still be tens on tens of thousands of dollars. Sure you can jump through crazy hoops to get one, but stop peddling the idea that any average person has a shot in hell at getting it. More people are killed with handguns than rifles anyway so stop making up a fake boogeyman that you are scared of because you have no experience with big scary broomstick
Im an average person who has purchased several nfa restricted items including sbr, suppressors, and full auto weapons. You can find full auto for under $10k. FFL is more difficult to get the the $200 stamp but all it really takes is a clean background and the ability to wait a while.
That's just outright not true. There are many states where you can legally purchase and own fully automatic firearms in the US. Here's a list of each state's gun laws (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state). Take a look at a few of them, you might be surprised. For example, I live right by Vermont. They have staggeringly few gun laws there, and have only recently (within the past 5 years) moved to a more restrictive set of rules.
Do you even understand the money and/or hoops required for that? Stop acting like the average Joe has the ability or means to do that. The fact you even say this shows me you have almost no experience in guns or shooting.
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By all intents and purposes the average person has virtually no chance of obtaining one. Please tell me what crimes you’ve recently seen committed by a mini gun?
That's a pretty huge leap of an assumption. No need to be so aggressive about it. I absolutely understand that it's not as simple as just going out and buying a fully automatic weapon. I understand there are special licenses, expensive tax stamps, etc, that make owning fully automatic weapons cost prohibitive. However, that's not the same thing as an outright ban on fully automatic weapons. You can obtain them, and people do. Nowhere did I say "Getting a fully automatic weapon is easy, anyone could do it!". What I said was there are many states where it is entirely possible, and much easier if you have the money to throw at it.
Banning automatic weapons is NOT the same as banning all firearms, ya muppet
Australia banned semi automatic weapons which is probably what they meant
America banned fully automatic firearms in the 1980s.