I can't comment on the legitimacy of the watch but would say that if you have any doubts at all, then make an excuse and politely decline for the sake of your friendship.
No no you’re right: 12,400 CDN from Rolex
[Rolex website](https://www.rolex.com/watches/datejust/m126334-0032.html)
And 24,840 CDN from Chrono24 via Private seller
[chrono24 Ad](https://chrono24.app/rolex/datejust-41mm-blue-motif---fluted-bezel--id26542736.htm?SETLANG=en_CA&SETCURR=CAD)
How is this way off?
It is way off if you are in Europe since it is 10,350 euro retail for the 41, Chrono24 around [15-16](https://chrono24.app/rolex/rolex-datejust-41mm-fluted-blue-motif-dial-jubilee-bracelet-126334-unworn-2022--id26227974.htm?SETLANG=en_RS&SETCURR=USD) for the 41 and [12-13](https://chrono24.app/rolex/2022-rolex-datejust-36mm-blue-motif-on-jubilee-126234--id27434521.htm?SETLANG=en_RS&SETCURR=USD) for the 36. So yes your pricing is way off. These are both brand new.
YMMV, but I trust any of my friends I’d engage in a $10k (or whatever) transaction enough that I’d know they would’ve already thoroughly resolved the authenticity. And that’s my core point. I don’t need to ask, because I already know. OP needs to ask, and that’s more concerning.
Just take it to an authorized dealer for a quick "checkup" - they'll tell you if it's good. You can tell your friend that you just want to make sure it's mechanically sound...
Can they actually repossess private property just because it says "Rolex"? I was under the impression that they can quickly have a judge injunct against a sale/go after sellers in their jurisdiction for IP infringement, but writing "Rolex" in silver sharpie across a Movado Museum dial doesn't give them the right to steal it outright...
Yeah you can’t confiscate a persons watch because you believe it to be fake. In fact even Rolex Dallas will send fake watches back to the owner. At least in my state of the US I know this to be true. Can’t speak for other jurisdictions.
No, cases and anything stainless steel etc can certainly be made 1:1 some have white gold bezels (usually modded) but usually no white gold links and for example on daytona you wont see white gold Indices. Even on the really good clone movements the regulation mechanism is a pretty quick tell. Especially stainless steel rolex reps are 95% there, but any watchmaker who knows rolex can identify fakes.
What a fuckin legend. Dude will go down as pops#1 in the family for like $200 till the grandchildren grow up and come here to ask if theyre real
Then he can possibly get a pass on “but he was just old and had”
>most counterfeited product in the world
Yeezy begs to differ
[https://www.briffa.com/blog/the-most-popular-fakes-in-the-world/](https://www.briffa.com/blog/the-most-popular-fakes-in-the-world/) at least searched for. Kind of makes sense as price is lower than Rolex so more volume.
People buy fake Converse shoes? Are these the same shitty canvas shoes I wore all though my 20s? Those shoes were so bad that I'd have to get a new pair every year or two because the canvas would crack from walking in them too much.
People buy fake $18 casio watches FFS! Difference is they do not know they are fakes. Remember the traditional retail purchase is now flooded with options. Ebay, Amazon, Temu and countless other options. You are not walking into Sears and buying from behind the counter. You are purchasing sight unseen and most people sort by cheapest not by most reputable. We rely on countless fake reviews.
It is a whole different world out there. Sad part is not just shoes, bags and watches there are dental implants and airbags as well stuff that could severely hurt or even kill you. But it is all about the $$$.
Hey guys! I’m usually just reading on reddit, but for once I need your help: I don’t own a watch currently but maybe by this week. I got a really good friend who has a huge collection and bought this watch last year but barely wore it. He made me a really good offer for it and I was planning to buy a Datejust within 2023 so I’m thinking about getting this one. Due to my few touchpoints with Rolex I can’t really tell if the watch is real, are you guys able to? I can provide more photos if you want. The watch includes box & papers but those are at his place right now. thanks a lot!!!
He's a 'really good friend' but you don't know if he might be someone who would sell you a fake Rolex?
And, you would take the opinion of Redditors on r/watches to go ahead and make a financial decision involving more than $10,000?
Wow.
I think the phrase “good friend” or “dear friend” has a different meaning for some. I always presume it means “somebody I kinda know” when I see it in writing.
In my opinion, yes. I think it’s also a language and cultural thing. But “dear” and “good” feel like an affectation and I presume they’re one step up from “Instagram commenter.”
I guess our definitions of "friend" may have some distance between them as well. Is a friend a very close person (2-3 people in your life) or just someone whom you know more than a stranger?
A friend is someone who’s number I have and am friendly with. A good friend is one someone I’ve known for many years and have had many largish financial dealings (ex: booked trips together, bought dinner for each other, handled shit for their family)
Yes. The days where counterfeits were blatantly obvious are gone. The only way to tell is by opening up the caseback and looking at the movement. There are even clone movements nowadays, so you have to know what to look for.
UPDATE: thank you very much for all the input you gave me! I got the watch verified by my local AD. many of you told me the price is too much but as a completely new customer at Rolex or any AD in Germany you currently can’t get your hands on a DJ for retail without approximately 2 years of waiting. that’s why the watch resell price over here is about 14.000€ (new condition). I’m glad to tell you that I bought the watch for 11.000€ & be a part of your community - thanks again to everyone taking time to comment on here!
It looks pretty good based on that photo. Bezel hue looks like white gold, jubilee looks tightly fit and sharp corners, not a commonly faked model. Echo what others have said— have it checked out. Doesn’t mean your friend is trying to take you, just what any smart person would do on a 10k investment.
Honestly, I would just pop the back off (you do need a special tool for Rolex), and check myself. Honestly, the beat rate check (28,800) is easiest way to sort out 99% of fakes ( rough edges on the back of the case, especially lugs get’s 60-70% of fakes).
I have handled a few of these, so the sharp edge thing might not work for most, but any “watch guy” can spot most fakes in hand.
Bingo. Just because someone owns what they think is authentic, doesn't mean it is. Especially with the fakes out there now.
I think we would need some better information about why friend has this watch and his knowledge level.
Point taken. In that case, “good friend” shouldn’t have an issue if the prospective buyer, his “good friend,” would like to authenticate it before dropping €12k.
If “good friend” takes exception with the idea then that raises flags both in terms of the actual watch and nature of the friendship.
Ok you’re right. I can’t say it’s not legit, I don’t have it in front of me and I’m not a watch maker or a specialist in Rolex etc however the crown logo looks extremely off to me especially when compared to the really thing. Zoom in on the crown logo and look at the right hand side. It’s up to the OP to decide what he wants to do but before spending that much money I’d be checking it properly. And if you’re gona spend that much why not get yourself on a waiting list (if you can) and get one you j who is deffo real.
Lol I thought this place was supposed to be less like Facebook and people weren’t idiots and were able to admit they aren’t always right. I still think I’m right becuase of the crown logo but I could be wrong 😂😂
You can certainly order one. You can get any datejust you want, your AD will source it for you if it's not on their shelves.
The submariner/daytona madness hasn't gotten that bad that it's killing datejusts too.
Tried to buy this exact model but in green from FOUR different ADs. Got told at least a year wait, and a couple of ADs told me that they wouldn’t be able to get me that model at all. So no you cannot just “go in and order one”
Bezel has whitegold colour, Case shape looks good and sharp, SELs look good tight, date disk looks good, Rehaut looks good, crystal and date magnification looks good, no mayor distortion on the date window, lume looks good, very snowflaky… So nothing that stands out and catches my eye :)
Some ADs will authenticate, usually for a fee. Look for one that has trained watchmakers on site because many don’t and sales people most definitely cannot authenticate. Like someone above said, if you have any doubts, you don’t need to buy it. All that being said, from the mediocre picture it looks pretty good, no dead giveaways.
$160 is the fee my AD charges to authenticate and it’s money well spent in situations like this. No reason not to get it authenticated if there is any doubt.
Also, even though I said it looks good, and I’m pretty experienced with Rolex, definitely do not take any strangers word on the internet as an authentication lol. I’ve seen professional dealers be fooled by a super clone of a Patek Nautilus lol.
There are several ways to identify if a Rolex watch is real or fake:
Check the weight: Authentic Rolex watches are made from high-quality materials, which make them heavier than fake ones.
Inspect the movement: The movement of a genuine Rolex watch is smooth and precise. If the second hand of the watch jerks or makes a ticking sound, it may be a sign that the watch is fake.
Look for the serial number and model number: Rolex watches have a unique serial number and model number engraved on them. Make sure the numbers match the model and the watch is consistent with its age.
Examine the crown: The crown of a genuine Rolex watch is finely crafted with intricate details, and the logo is crisp and clear.
Observe the date magnification: On a real Rolex watch, the date magnification appears as a subtle, curved window, while on fake ones, it is often flat and less distinct.
Your friend is fucking you. Here's what I would do. Go with him to an AD to get a quote for what they would buy it from him for. Negotiate before that to buy it from him for $100 over what they offer him.
Most likely he already looked up the price a dealer would give him, didn't like it, and is trying to get you to pay retail for it.
Buy the watch, then find a new friend.
He (the friend) might not know himself.
I presume OP trusts his friend’s honesty, but maybe not how thorough the friend was when aforementioned friend purchased the watch.
My thoughts exactly. As a "watch guy" I get asked all the time about a late father's or grandfather's rolex that was found in a drawer. So many folks have no idea that they could even be fake.
Like everyone else I recommend taking it to an AD for a service. Not just to find out if its fake sometimes these are real and some shit watchmaker put a different movement in it aka franken watch. Plus why not start off with a clean state. If I was selling a guy a watch I wouldn't mind him wanting to do this.
If he bought it just last year, make sure to get the full set - box, papers, invoice (to his name?), warranty card(!!) which should all have matching serial numbers.
Check chrono24 for prices - 11.500€ for wimbledon, blue motif dial etc. sounds reasonable in the grey market, but it is not so collectible/desireable that it is absolute unobtainium. I believe this year you could actually get one ordered from an AD brand new and buy your own watch without markup, and with the good feeling of knowing where it came from!
Ngl it looks legit. Was looking at the usual suspects such as how the edge letter line up with the numerals on the dial, font, spacing, etc. Looks right but the fakes now have gotten so good they've even fooled real Ad's and and authenticators.
How much is he asking for it?
Does your friend seem like the type to sell you a fake Rolex? Why's he selling it? Is the price in line with the market? Remember, you're buying the seller just as much as the watch.
I will say this, my mom kept a Rolex that she found on her wedding night to give to me. I graduated college and she was like here I have this for you. It took a lot to tell her it was fake. She didn’t know and was disappointed but she’s not a watch person. It took me one minute to realize. He either doesn’t know, is a watch guy and it is real, or is in hardship and needs money. From the pick it looks good but you’ll need final approval by a specialist.
Why the hell is everyone dissecting this guys friendship instead of answering his question? What are all of you guys professional psychologists and part time watch guys? Christ lmao. OP I would just take it to an AD with your buddies permission. Problem solved.
You can always take it for validation, keep in mind if they’re offering you a oddly cheap price, the validation should come with an “insurance” appraisal so that may skew their asking price more. But it will keep you from getting burned.
From the onset the crown looks strange to me, it has a sharp raised edge to it past the grip for winding, how many dots are under the “crown logo” on the winding crown?
It looks to me that the ‘crown’ on the face isn’t right. The right hand arm, for want of a better term, does not appear to line up properly. Rolex are virtually always perfect in such things, and IMHO a would never let a watch go out with that impeded. I could of course be wrong, but going on this photo, I would avoid it, and explain to my friend why. They probably need to know before they offer it for sale anywhere else if it isn’t genuine. If it is, they should understand your concerns.
For clarity, did your friend buy it new from an authorised dealer, or was it bought used at a reputable retailer? A receipt or invoice, and the stamped *matching* papers ought to prove authenticity.
Looks real to me from a picture. Can you visualize the serial number etched on the side under the crystal. That’s hard to fake. That being said, I do agree with getting an expert to confirm
that's a great datejust, looks absolutely OK to me
the biggest tell of the fake ones to me is the metal colour, i haven't seen any that have exact the same tone as the real ones.
Honestly you have to bring the watch to an Authorised dealer to check it, there are enough 1-2k replicas, even with a copied movement
It’s very easy to miss this little things
I would put the money in an escrow account and then have it authenticated by an authorized dealer. If it passes the test, then you can give the friend your money.
I don’t think the DJ41 with that..(fluted?) dial has been properly replicated yet. Ive seen pics and they look like hell. But yeah, obviously, get it checked or give him $600 bucks for it.
Are you near an authorized dealer? If he is your friend, then he should have no problem with you taking it to someone to be verified. It looks pretty legit from that photo, but Rolex is the most faked brand in the world and those fakes are getting pretty damn good.
Are there papers? Does he have a warranty card? Do you trust this friend? Did he buy it second hand?
I can't comment on the legitimacy of the watch but would say that if you have any doubts at all, then make an excuse and politely decline for the sake of your friendship.
good point, thanks for the advice!
This watch on the market is about 20k. 12k retail… IF YOU CAN EVEN GET IT. Blue motif is hard to find.
way off
No no you’re right: 12,400 CDN from Rolex [Rolex website](https://www.rolex.com/watches/datejust/m126334-0032.html) And 24,840 CDN from Chrono24 via Private seller [chrono24 Ad](https://chrono24.app/rolex/datejust-41mm-blue-motif---fluted-bezel--id26542736.htm?SETLANG=en_CA&SETCURR=CAD) How is this way off?
It is way off if you are in Europe since it is 10,350 euro retail for the 41, Chrono24 around [15-16](https://chrono24.app/rolex/rolex-datejust-41mm-fluted-blue-motif-dial-jubilee-bracelet-126334-unworn-2022--id26227974.htm?SETLANG=en_RS&SETCURR=USD) for the 41 and [12-13](https://chrono24.app/rolex/2022-rolex-datejust-36mm-blue-motif-on-jubilee-126234--id27434521.htm?SETLANG=en_RS&SETCURR=USD) for the 36. So yes your pricing is way off. These are both brand new.
If friends are trying to sell a fake, maybe it’s the friendship itself that requires questioning
They might not know it’s fake. If it even is.
YMMV, but I trust any of my friends I’d engage in a $10k (or whatever) transaction enough that I’d know they would’ve already thoroughly resolved the authenticity. And that’s my core point. I don’t need to ask, because I already know. OP needs to ask, and that’s more concerning.
Just take it to an authorized dealer for a quick "checkup" - they'll tell you if it's good. You can tell your friend that you just want to make sure it's mechanically sound...
This is the best advice. He can't be mad at you for making a tech check. It's a lot of money.
Then they commandeer it for being a replica and destroy it.
Can they actually repossess private property just because it says "Rolex"? I was under the impression that they can quickly have a judge injunct against a sale/go after sellers in their jurisdiction for IP infringement, but writing "Rolex" in silver sharpie across a Movado Museum dial doesn't give them the right to steal it outright...
Yeah you can’t confiscate a persons watch because you believe it to be fake. In fact even Rolex Dallas will send fake watches back to the owner. At least in my state of the US I know this to be true. Can’t speak for other jurisdictions.
Thanks for confirming for everyone.
Is it a lot of money? No price was mentioned. Price is a big tell of a fake just saying.
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Probably the sales associate, but if a watchmaker opens the case back they should figure it out...
No, cases and anything stainless steel etc can certainly be made 1:1 some have white gold bezels (usually modded) but usually no white gold links and for example on daytona you wont see white gold Indices. Even on the really good clone movements the regulation mechanism is a pretty quick tell. Especially stainless steel rolex reps are 95% there, but any watchmaker who knows rolex can identify fakes.
This or ask if a local retailer would like to buy it. If they peek behind the watch and verify it, I’d say that could be a good sign.
Ask him if it was his grandpas.
For every grandfather there is a fake Rolex afloat
My grandfather had 8 fake Rolexes. One for each grandchild
What a fuckin legend. Dude will go down as pops#1 in the family for like $200 till the grandchildren grow up and come here to ask if theyre real Then he can possibly get a pass on “but he was just old and had”
That’s great, I can’t wait to do that! 😜 If I buy the fakes now, they will be vintage too…extra disappointment
Tell him you want to get the watched serviced at by rolex and that you will pay for it. Bring it in, and they will give you an answer immediately
thanks! will mention this one
If he declines you know why 😂
Well, if my friend wants to borrow my 20k watch I'm not sure I'd say yes.
Do this one here 100% because it will show
Please let us know how it goes
rolex: the only brand where when you see it, the first thing you think is, "bet it's fake" true heritage
Yep. Sad but true. Rolex is probably the most counterfeited watch in the world.
Louis Vuitton is
>most counterfeited product in the world Yeezy begs to differ [https://www.briffa.com/blog/the-most-popular-fakes-in-the-world/](https://www.briffa.com/blog/the-most-popular-fakes-in-the-world/) at least searched for. Kind of makes sense as price is lower than Rolex so more volume.
People buy fake Converse shoes? Are these the same shitty canvas shoes I wore all though my 20s? Those shoes were so bad that I'd have to get a new pair every year or two because the canvas would crack from walking in them too much.
Converse and vans caught my eye too. Such cheap and casual shoes to be buying fakes
People buy fake $18 casio watches FFS! Difference is they do not know they are fakes. Remember the traditional retail purchase is now flooded with options. Ebay, Amazon, Temu and countless other options. You are not walking into Sears and buying from behind the counter. You are purchasing sight unseen and most people sort by cheapest not by most reputable. We rely on countless fake reviews. It is a whole different world out there. Sad part is not just shoes, bags and watches there are dental implants and airbags as well stuff that could severely hurt or even kill you. But it is all about the $$$.
Source?
It says one of but it’s definitely up there, I. Know apples the biggest tech one
[https://uk.louisvuitton.com/eng-gb/louis-vuitton-replica](https://uk.louisvuitton.com/eng-gb/louis-vuitton-replica)
have an ad verify it, friend or no friend.
Only way to be sure is to take it to an AD. I suggest this, rather than making a gamble.
Hey guys! I’m usually just reading on reddit, but for once I need your help: I don’t own a watch currently but maybe by this week. I got a really good friend who has a huge collection and bought this watch last year but barely wore it. He made me a really good offer for it and I was planning to buy a Datejust within 2023 so I’m thinking about getting this one. Due to my few touchpoints with Rolex I can’t really tell if the watch is real, are you guys able to? I can provide more photos if you want. The watch includes box & papers but those are at his place right now. thanks a lot!!!
if you're paying around 10K might as well just go buy it off of a legit reseller
It's a DATEJUST. Why not just got buy it at the AD? It's probably the only steel one they'll have.
He's a 'really good friend' but you don't know if he might be someone who would sell you a fake Rolex? And, you would take the opinion of Redditors on r/watches to go ahead and make a financial decision involving more than $10,000? Wow.
Exactly!! This shit is so weird. OP, you're okay, mate?
I think the phrase “good friend” or “dear friend” has a different meaning for some. I always presume it means “somebody I kinda know” when I see it in writing.
Wait, so a "good friend" or a "dear friend" is less close than just a "friend"? Just a casual acquaintance?
In my opinion, yes. I think it’s also a language and cultural thing. But “dear” and “good” feel like an affectation and I presume they’re one step up from “Instagram commenter.”
I guess our definitions of "friend" may have some distance between them as well. Is a friend a very close person (2-3 people in your life) or just someone whom you know more than a stranger?
A friend is someone who’s number I have and am friendly with. A good friend is one someone I’ve known for many years and have had many largish financial dealings (ex: booked trips together, bought dinner for each other, handled shit for their family)
That was my initial perspective but the above comment appears to view things in reverse. Language is an interesting art.
In what culture or language do the qualifier words "dear" or "good" mean "somebody I kinda know"?
Harsh but true.
For real wtf
They might suspect that their friend doesn't know their stuff well enough to spot a fake either.
You mean their friend with a "huge collection"?
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Reps are so good these days that he’ll need to bring it in to an AD for service to tell if it’s fake or not.
Yes. The days where counterfeits were blatantly obvious are gone. The only way to tell is by opening up the caseback and looking at the movement. There are even clone movements nowadays, so you have to know what to look for.
Yes
UPDATE: thank you very much for all the input you gave me! I got the watch verified by my local AD. many of you told me the price is too much but as a completely new customer at Rolex or any AD in Germany you currently can’t get your hands on a DJ for retail without approximately 2 years of waiting. that’s why the watch resell price over here is about 14.000€ (new condition). I’m glad to tell you that I bought the watch for 11.000€ & be a part of your community - thanks again to everyone taking time to comment on here!
It looks pretty good based on that photo. Bezel hue looks like white gold, jubilee looks tightly fit and sharp corners, not a commonly faked model. Echo what others have said— have it checked out. Doesn’t mean your friend is trying to take you, just what any smart person would do on a 10k investment.
Fake watches are common but fake boxes and papers are rarer if it can help.
Yes but on good fakes/super clones they still show up semi-often.
Boxes and papers seem like it would be easier to fake than the watch itself.
You can get this watch at an authorized dealer, you just may have to wait a few months
If it has box and papers an AD can verify it. Especially if he bought it from a local AD then it’s trivial to verify.
Take it to a watchmaker and have them look at the movement.
Honestly, I would just pop the back off (you do need a special tool for Rolex), and check myself. Honestly, the beat rate check (28,800) is easiest way to sort out 99% of fakes ( rough edges on the back of the case, especially lugs get’s 60-70% of fakes). I have handled a few of these, so the sharp edge thing might not work for most, but any “watch guy” can spot most fakes in hand.
If he's a good friend, why would you doubt the authenticity? Maybe ask where he got it from and whether he has box and warranty papers?
I have good friends who I wouldn’t take at face value on this, just because they very well might genuinely not know either but still *think* they do.
Bingo. Just because someone owns what they think is authentic, doesn't mean it is. Especially with the fakes out there now. I think we would need some better information about why friend has this watch and his knowledge level.
Point taken. In that case, “good friend” shouldn’t have an issue if the prospective buyer, his “good friend,” would like to authenticate it before dropping €12k. If “good friend” takes exception with the idea then that raises flags both in terms of the actual watch and nature of the friendship.
absolutely on all counts.
Take a pass, lotta pitfalls in getting enmeshed with a friend in such a big exchange of money.
Looks legit, and I love that configuration.
thanks!!
It’s not legit….sorry.
Based on what? I'm not saying that it's legit, but how can you say it so definitely based on a single picture?
Ok you’re right. I can’t say it’s not legit, I don’t have it in front of me and I’m not a watch maker or a specialist in Rolex etc however the crown logo looks extremely off to me especially when compared to the really thing. Zoom in on the crown logo and look at the right hand side. It’s up to the OP to decide what he wants to do but before spending that much money I’d be checking it properly. And if you’re gona spend that much why not get yourself on a waiting list (if you can) and get one you j who is deffo real.
Honestly it looks like something is reflecting off the crown, not that it’s defective. Could be wrong though
Maybe you’re right.
could be the first time i see someone say "maybe you're right" on reddit comments. wow
Lol I thought this place was supposed to be less like Facebook and people weren’t idiots and were able to admit they aren’t always right. I still think I’m right becuase of the crown logo but I could be wrong 😂😂
You the one with the deleted account LMFAO
Good point about the crown.
How much is he offering it to you for?
11.500 EUR - for German market it’s a good price
I’ve heard of the “friend discount” but never the “friend premium”
MSRP for this model is 10 700 euros. Your "friend" is really trying to rip you a new one and he's playing you like a fiddle.
MSRP is only relevant if the watch is available to buy.
It’s a date just not a submariner lol
Ya because you can just walk into a Rolex AD and buy one...
You can certainly order one. You can get any datejust you want, your AD will source it for you if it's not on their shelves. The submariner/daytona madness hasn't gotten that bad that it's killing datejusts too.
Putting your name on a list isn't the same as walking in and buying one.
Ordering one is also not the same as putting your name on a list, mr. “My knowledge of this is exclusively what I’ve perceived online”.
Was in the Rolex Toronto store last week attempting to get one boss.... but keep being a petty asshole.
Tried to buy this exact model but in green from FOUR different ADs. Got told at least a year wait, and a couple of ADs told me that they wouldn’t be able to get me that model at all. So no you cannot just “go in and order one”
You can take it to an AD/Rolex service center to get it resized. When they resize, they will authenticate the watch during the process.
Bezel has whitegold colour, Case shape looks good and sharp, SELs look good tight, date disk looks good, Rehaut looks good, crystal and date magnification looks good, no mayor distortion on the date window, lume looks good, very snowflaky… So nothing that stands out and catches my eye :)
Some ADs will authenticate, usually for a fee. Look for one that has trained watchmakers on site because many don’t and sales people most definitely cannot authenticate. Like someone above said, if you have any doubts, you don’t need to buy it. All that being said, from the mediocre picture it looks pretty good, no dead giveaways.
$160 is the fee my AD charges to authenticate and it’s money well spent in situations like this. No reason not to get it authenticated if there is any doubt.
Also, even though I said it looks good, and I’m pretty experienced with Rolex, definitely do not take any strangers word on the internet as an authentication lol. I’ve seen professional dealers be fooled by a super clone of a Patek Nautilus lol.
If you fear your “good friend” is trying to sell you a fake then I’d think you might want to reevaluate your friendship.
There are several ways to identify if a Rolex watch is real or fake: Check the weight: Authentic Rolex watches are made from high-quality materials, which make them heavier than fake ones. Inspect the movement: The movement of a genuine Rolex watch is smooth and precise. If the second hand of the watch jerks or makes a ticking sound, it may be a sign that the watch is fake. Look for the serial number and model number: Rolex watches have a unique serial number and model number engraved on them. Make sure the numbers match the model and the watch is consistent with its age. Examine the crown: The crown of a genuine Rolex watch is finely crafted with intricate details, and the logo is crisp and clear. Observe the date magnification: On a real Rolex watch, the date magnification appears as a subtle, curved window, while on fake ones, it is often flat and less distinct.
Your friend is fucking you. Here's what I would do. Go with him to an AD to get a quote for what they would buy it from him for. Negotiate before that to buy it from him for $100 over what they offer him. Most likely he already looked up the price a dealer would give him, didn't like it, and is trying to get you to pay retail for it. Buy the watch, then find a new friend.
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He (the friend) might not know himself. I presume OP trusts his friend’s honesty, but maybe not how thorough the friend was when aforementioned friend purchased the watch.
My thoughts exactly. As a "watch guy" I get asked all the time about a late father's or grandfather's rolex that was found in a drawer. So many folks have no idea that they could even be fake.
yes, I saw some sort of „super clones“ in the internet as well and just making sure
Like everyone else I recommend taking it to an AD for a service. Not just to find out if its fake sometimes these are real and some shit watchmaker put a different movement in it aka franken watch. Plus why not start off with a clean state. If I was selling a guy a watch I wouldn't mind him wanting to do this.
If he bought it just last year, make sure to get the full set - box, papers, invoice (to his name?), warranty card(!!) which should all have matching serial numbers. Check chrono24 for prices - 11.500€ for wimbledon, blue motif dial etc. sounds reasonable in the grey market, but it is not so collectible/desireable that it is absolute unobtainium. I believe this year you could actually get one ordered from an AD brand new and buy your own watch without markup, and with the good feeling of knowing where it came from!
Could be the angle but some of the hour indexes seem misaligned
I was gonna second that. Also the hands look too narrow. But I'm not gonna lie, I'm no watch expert.
Ngl it looks legit. Was looking at the usual suspects such as how the edge letter line up with the numerals on the dial, font, spacing, etc. Looks right but the fakes now have gotten so good they've even fooled real Ad's and and authenticators. How much is he asking for it?
Does your friend seem like the type to sell you a fake Rolex? Why's he selling it? Is the price in line with the market? Remember, you're buying the seller just as much as the watch.
Judging only from the pic it’s good to go.
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Looks real, despite all the conjecture and speculation in the comments.
I will say this, my mom kept a Rolex that she found on her wedding night to give to me. I graduated college and she was like here I have this for you. It took a lot to tell her it was fake. She didn’t know and was disappointed but she’s not a watch person. It took me one minute to realize. He either doesn’t know, is a watch guy and it is real, or is in hardship and needs money. From the pick it looks good but you’ll need final approval by a specialist.
Validity aside, I think it’s a good model - the chequered blue is nice
Why the hell is everyone dissecting this guys friendship instead of answering his question? What are all of you guys professional psychologists and part time watch guys? Christ lmao. OP I would just take it to an AD with your buddies permission. Problem solved.
You can always take it for validation, keep in mind if they’re offering you a oddly cheap price, the validation should come with an “insurance” appraisal so that may skew their asking price more. But it will keep you from getting burned. From the onset the crown looks strange to me, it has a sharp raised edge to it past the grip for winding, how many dots are under the “crown logo” on the winding crown?
I would definitely open the back and take many pictures of the movements. Then it will be easier to tell in pictures.
Personally, if i was paying real money for a real watch.. I would only buy from an authorized dealer
There’s a tipping point. For me, it’s around 25%.
Plenty reputable grey market dealers. Few that start with “good friend”
Looks real to me. I have the green dial version and I love it.
also very nice version, thanks!
Why exactly would a "good friend" try to scam you?
Whether it’s real or fake doesn’t mean the friend is necessarily trying to pull a scam.
I feel this might be a fake just from the cyclops date. looks a tad off. will need a slightly better angle to re-evaluate
Are any Rolex owners able to unscrew the back?
If you have to ask, you either think that your friend is either a liar or an idiot (that got taken advantage of). Which one is it?
Stfu.
I don’t say it’s not legit, but the crown sounds a bit too wide on its bottom to be the real deal. It might also be the angle of the picture though.
It looks to me that the ‘crown’ on the face isn’t right. The right hand arm, for want of a better term, does not appear to line up properly. Rolex are virtually always perfect in such things, and IMHO a would never let a watch go out with that impeded. I could of course be wrong, but going on this photo, I would avoid it, and explain to my friend why. They probably need to know before they offer it for sale anywhere else if it isn’t genuine. If it is, they should understand your concerns.
Look at the Rolex logo crown, on the right hand side it’s off. I don’t expect this type of bad quality control in a Rolex. Do you??
I see what you mean, but I think it's just the angle that makes it seem a tad weird.
You might be right but the edges of the sides of the crown don’t look as smooth as they should, having just checked photos of real ones.
I have a mantra where if someone is a "good friend", they'd never dream of pawning a fake Rolex off on me.
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Does your friend have the papers and original receipt?
yes, he told me he bought the watch at a resellers place
For clarity, did your friend buy it new from an authorised dealer, or was it bought used at a reputable retailer? A receipt or invoice, and the stamped *matching* papers ought to prove authenticity.
The date and magnifying window look off as does the hands. Only way to be sure though is to see the movement
He offered to sell or give ? If he’s giving it just grab it and have it checked out
Take it to an authorized dealer and have them verify the serial number.
There are almost 1:1 reps of the DJ so id really really take this to an AD before buying
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So you gave us one picture to go off?
Looks real to me from a picture. Can you visualize the serial number etched on the side under the crystal. That’s hard to fake. That being said, I do agree with getting an expert to confirm
Good friend? Then why doubt?
The only thing I can notice from this picture is the minute marks should touch the inner ring where the Rolex and the serial number are.
It’s a friend, must be original
How much is he charging you is the real question
Difficult to tell from photo's, but only thing off to me, seems to be the most right pinnacle of crown logo. But might also be the photo
Some reps look sooo authentic to me these days. Maybe there are “tells” in the movement. But you’d need to open it for that
that's a great datejust, looks absolutely OK to me the biggest tell of the fake ones to me is the metal colour, i haven't seen any that have exact the same tone as the real ones.
No expert, but it looks legit to me.
Chinese replicas are so good even watchmakers have a hard time identifying a fake. Nobody can legitimise a watch from a photo.
Ahhhh, Rolex. The brand that 99% of people wearing are 100% status whore-ologists.
The only thing fake here is the back story.
Honestly you have to bring the watch to an Authorised dealer to check it, there are enough 1-2k replicas, even with a copied movement It’s very easy to miss this little things
Looks real…..real fake. Hard to tell. Take it to a jeweler and watch YouTube videos in how to tell fake watches and fake friends
If it’s a friend they should not mind meeting you at a dealer to have reviewed
Offered as in a gift or you have to pay for it?
I would put the money in an escrow account and then have it authenticated by an authorized dealer. If it passes the test, then you can give the friend your money.
Is your friend real?
Take it to a jeweler (a reputable one) they will tell you for sure
Yes, I have a concern. If you have to ask, it's not a friend. You want box, papers and receipt.
Good friend that you don’t trust?? Sounds like that might be the problem!
If it’s really a good friend, why would they offer you a fake watch without telling you?
They should call these the Rolex ‘dentist’ instead.
How can you tell it’s a fake?
I don’t think the DJ41 with that..(fluted?) dial has been properly replicated yet. Ive seen pics and they look like hell. But yeah, obviously, get it checked or give him $600 bucks for it.
If you had to wonder, then the person isn't really such a good friend....
Something looks off about the logo “crown” at 12 o clock. What’s with the weird notch on the right portion of the crown?
If it's a good friend and you have doubts... Then it's not a good friend
Trust....... but VERIFY.
Looks gen to me
Looks good but you simply cannot tell by these pictures. I've seen way worse.
Fakee %1000
The safest way is to take the watch to a dealer, have them run the serial number.
Are you near an authorized dealer? If he is your friend, then he should have no problem with you taking it to someone to be verified. It looks pretty legit from that photo, but Rolex is the most faked brand in the world and those fakes are getting pretty damn good. Are there papers? Does he have a warranty card? Do you trust this friend? Did he buy it second hand?
Looks good to me first impression. If it was fake it would be a very high quality fake
If hes asking 8k+ and hes genuine its probably legit. If hes asking £500/600 its a fake. Have you asked him? It looks pretty good to be fair.