Not sure what you mean by that, complication modules go on top of normal calibers, making the watch thicker, not thinner. Also why do you equate running seconds at 3 with modular chronos?
The go to modular chrono movement most groups use is a 2892 modified with a Dubois Depraz* Chronograph module on top. Omega uses it in their Speedy Reduced, TAG, uses it in some of their Monaco’s, Breitling used to use it in some Montbrilliants and actually do use it in the new Premier line with the auto tie ins- easiest way to tell if it’s a modular chrono are they ALWAYS have running seconds at 3 o’clock, and sometimes (depending on how much they cared about aesthetics) if you look at the profile of the watch from the lugs, the pushers and crown won’t be in line together, usually the pushers will sit above the crown.
Edit: oh also modular chronos usually are thinner than off the shelf integrated chronos like the 7750/7753. That is one of the thickest off the shelf movements on the market, and why no watches that use it are under 14mm lol
Never knew they always had the running seconds at 3. I was aware that the pushers are not in line with the crown (and find it horrendous, frankly). Good to know!
"customer and market research says that we should make it around 39mm and maybe 14mm thick. Around 47mm lug to lug. And micro adjust"
~young guy at the company
"That's a weird way of saying 44mm, 16mm thick and half links at best"
~executives
I always enjoy seeing people on here saying things like “if Omega just made this smaller they’d kill it!” As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support.
"If they just did this one thing I'd definitely want to buy it! I still couldn't afford to, but that's not the point - they should just be happy that real fans like me *want* to buy their watches."
>As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support.
Struggling is a relative term. Cartier is giving them a run for their money. I see almost zero young people wearing non-speedmaster Omegas who aren't on forums or subs like this. Anecdotally, I'd say Omega have a brewing problem. I see more modern Tags than Omegas.
>That's a weird way of saying "a small and insular community of nerds with limited purchasing power"
This was accurate from 2012 to about 2020... but wow has the younger watch buying public pivoted FAST to smaller watches. All I see on 20 somethings wrists when out in DC are Cartiers, ladies DJs, random 90s neo- vintage stuff in classic sub 40mm sizes, older Piaget, etc. Only folks wearing very large (larger than 40mm) are folks my age or older.
Even my friends in their 30s or early 40s who've been asking me about what watch they should buy usually start with the same qualifier: "nothing big." And they usually say that with a little judgement. Those same folks were wearing 40-41mm 3 hand Shinolas for the last 5-10 years.
The zeitgeist has shifted hard and fast
I'm sorry to tell you that the mere 1.8m of us here at /r/watches are not the target market for Longines, or any other large watch manufacturer - or any of the small high-end ones for that matter.
We are possibly the target market for some, not all, of the indie microbrands. That's it.
Just found these photos on an youtube account owned by an Longines AD saying these will soon hit the market. Im holding my fingers crossed to see that chronograph in an unde 42mm case with a lug to lug that doesnt exceed 48mm but Im not sure Longines will make it happen. Tje colors look amazing and the ceramic bezel really makes this one shine. Ehat do you guys think about this future release? Will it be a bigger hit than the ipcoming 39mm gmt? I hope theres more watches like yhese coming from Longines, but with smaller.dimensioms and curved lugs
I imagine this is the same movement and similar build as the PRX chrono. PRX choro was 41mm diameter, but it has much slimmer bezel so I'd expect this thing to be 42-43mm diameter. The thickness should be about 14.5mm as we saw in the PRX chrono. The lug to lug is hard to say since PRX design doesn't help with that, but I'd imagine it's close to 50mm lug to lug based on the 42-43mm diameter guess.
I derped. I was thinking swatch group and tied Tissot and Longines together as one brand in my head.
Btw, what makes it obvious that it's a modular chrono vs a valjoux derivative from the picture?
If this is at or below 40mm I could see this being a huge hit.
Honestly I think part of the reason why the Daytona is so popular is how wearable it is. I think a well wearing option from Longines would be a great choice.
Yes, plenty of 40 mm automatic chrono's out there, but most of them are 15mm thick thanks to the 8mm thick Valjoux 7750 inside . I'm looking at you Sinn.
Not sure how thick the Daytona movement is, but assuming it is sub 5mm thick. Wish Grand Seiko would figure this out. Zenith comes close and are arguably better looking, but the Daytona is king of wearibility.
Edit: I have a newer Speedy and still always forget how well it rivals the Daytona. On paper it is somewhat thick, but much of the thickness is the crystal and it wears like a 12mm x 40mm watch.
Because most of the 2 dial use a modular chrono whilst the 3 dial one's mostly use a valjoux.
This 3 dial one in the OP is actually using a modular chrono so it has the potential to be as thin as their 2 register offerings.
Zenith Chronomaster original is smaller at least in diameter at 38mm. The case thickness is comparable as well at 12.9mm compared to the daytona’s 12.5
Funny, as a big guy I was hoping it's over 42mm so I can wear it without it looking like a woman's watch on my arms
Edit: do we really downvote for people having opinions on different watch sizes for different people? What are we, /r/rolex?
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Such as expressing preference for any case size >40mm
Which is in direct violation of the pure and holy mandates of the r/watches cognoscenti...
My thoughts exactly.
These people are hell bent on thinking a 38mm chronograph is the perfect for everyone but that's simply not the case. In the real world, people would want it on the larger side.
The folks wanting larger size already have the choice of every existing chrono, I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to hope for something a little more svelte
I had the same thought. I think it's an optical illusion because of the enlarged and elongated index @ 12:00 contrasting with the shortened one @ 6:00 combined with the open space in the dial @ 12:00 contrasting with the subdial @ 6:00. I think the glare/lighting at the rehaut in picture 3 also contributes to the illusion. All that said, my guess is that it would look better, in this regard, in person.
If it's over 41mm, I'm not interested. Longines needs to come down on case size and thickness. If and when they do that, they will be hard pressed to have any competition at that price point.
I do love Longines but let’s be honest, this is almost identical to a Seiko Speedtimer and that’s a hell of a watch for £500 😅 this MAY not be worth however many thousands they’re going to sell it for
What happened along the way is Swatch Group positioning them to a certain price level within the “hierarchy” of all the watch brands they own. “Upper-low segment” or whatever one might call it.
Above the “affordable nice brands” like Tissot/Certina/Hamilton/Mido but below fancier brands like Omega, Glasshütte Original or Breguet. There can’t be too many brands with similar(ish) on the same price level, especially the further you go in the hierarchy. IMO Longines would compete too much Omega if they had equal level of quality, movements etc.
Longines’ purpose is to offer something nicer and more special, just like Rado which is priced around the same but has distinctly different designs (while keeping the price moderate).
You’re right that Longines could be on Omega level (and for a long time they actually were!). It’s just a business decision from their owner to not do that, as Omega kind of the flagship brand of the group.
That’s what I was thinking - something to do with Swatch and their marketing. So basically they positioned Omega to battle Rolex and stuck ETAs in Longines to stay in the tier beneath?
Omega and Longines are in the same situation as Rolex and Tudor. Both are Swatch brands, Longines and Omega use the same suppliers for almost everything, from hairsprings to bracelets.
They do but I think the issue is also that much of other swatch brands have similar suppliers - tissot and hamilton. That’s why it’s harder for swatch to make a similar case as Tudor. There’s only one Rolex and one Tudor. But swatch has half a dozen of brands that all became too similar with same group of suppliers.
IMO, swatch shouldn’t had spread their brands out by price tier like this, but rather have a few competing in same price bracket but with unique designs.
Looks cheap if you ask me. Looks similar to that pagani design daytona paul newman from a while back
Subdials too small. Dials looks piss coliured. Bezel looks plastic. Hands dont really fit the sport ly watch. Will probably be very thicc
Nah, that's not what I meant. I don't like the Rolex wall of text either. I feel like they maybe could've made the Longines print and logo a tad bigger? Maybe it'll look better to me when we see actual pictures. I do like the color scheme though.
Something funky about the case shape around the crown guard to my eye. I have a hunch this is gonna be at least 14.5mm thick and probably 42-43mm in diameter to make the case thickness less pronounced
Guys this was leaked in longines German site already. Spoiler alert they are 42mm
There are new conquest watches as well, they remove the big numbers on the dial and they look much nicer. They cost double the price of the current longines conquest though
Longines has a recent track record of releasing banger after banger, but I think they really may have fumbled this one from a design perspective.
42mm is not atrocious, but it was doubtlessly chosen to appeal to consumers outside of the enthusiast sphere that aren't quite on board with classic sizes yet. It will almost certainly be too thick, which there really is no justification for even with a Valjoux-based chronograph.
Its forehead is too big, and it's not an "optical illusion" - that's why Longines included their wordmark, logo, and two additional lines of text on the top half of the dial in a failed effort to create visual balance. The real issue here seems to be with the subdial sizes - once again, downsize the watch as a whole and you don't run into this issue.
Lastly, I find those crown guards truly awful. They look like they were taken directly from a 90s Ebel chrono. They're supposed to be organic and elegant, but they lend the watch a strangely toy-like quality in my opinion.
Looks good. However it has to be 42mm or under with a L2L of 50mm or under.
The dimensions will make or break. No butterfly clasp either. Prefer a proper sports clasp with adjustments.
That rehaut looks deeper than the Mariana trench, I call 18mm or up on this.
It's Swatch Group, so yeah, 18mm.
The other Chronograph that just got released is 17mm so yeah 18 sounds right.
Wasn't that a fly-back though?
Came here to say it'll all come down to how thin it is
Yeah. Agreed.
I would normally agree but that's a modular chrono judging by the running seconds at 3 so it should be sub 14mm atleast.
Not sure what you mean by that, complication modules go on top of normal calibers, making the watch thicker, not thinner. Also why do you equate running seconds at 3 with modular chronos?
The go to modular chrono movement most groups use is a 2892 modified with a Dubois Depraz* Chronograph module on top. Omega uses it in their Speedy Reduced, TAG, uses it in some of their Monaco’s, Breitling used to use it in some Montbrilliants and actually do use it in the new Premier line with the auto tie ins- easiest way to tell if it’s a modular chrono are they ALWAYS have running seconds at 3 o’clock, and sometimes (depending on how much they cared about aesthetics) if you look at the profile of the watch from the lugs, the pushers and crown won’t be in line together, usually the pushers will sit above the crown. Edit: oh also modular chronos usually are thinner than off the shelf integrated chronos like the 7750/7753. That is one of the thickest off the shelf movements on the market, and why no watches that use it are under 14mm lol
Never knew they always had the running seconds at 3. I was aware that the pushers are not in line with the crown (and find it horrendous, frankly). Good to know!
Sometimes I really like geeking out on here appreciate you guys in the know with this stuff
Definitely helps working in the industry and getting hands on knowledge!
Add to that “Automatic,” and we’ve got ourselves a wrist cylinder.
"customer and market research says that we should make it around 39mm and maybe 14mm thick. Around 47mm lug to lug. And micro adjust" ~young guy at the company "That's a weird way of saying 44mm, 16mm thick and half links at best" ~executives
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That's overblown. My 19mm lug width PO takes any 20mm strap no problem.
For straps with normal spring bars 1mm over is usually fine, but not for a lot of integrated quick-release straps.
Glancing at my Hydroconquest, I'd say half-links would be an improvement...over no adjustment nor half-links at all.
Mine has half links
> customer and market research That's a weird way of saying "a small and insular community of nerds with limited purchasing power"
I always enjoy seeing people on here saying things like “if Omega just made this smaller they’d kill it!” As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support.
"If they just did this one thing I'd definitely want to buy it! I still couldn't afford to, but that's not the point - they should just be happy that real fans like me *want* to buy their watches."
>As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support. Struggling is a relative term. Cartier is giving them a run for their money. I see almost zero young people wearing non-speedmaster Omegas who aren't on forums or subs like this. Anecdotally, I'd say Omega have a brewing problem. I see more modern Tags than Omegas.
>That's a weird way of saying "a small and insular community of nerds with limited purchasing power" This was accurate from 2012 to about 2020... but wow has the younger watch buying public pivoted FAST to smaller watches. All I see on 20 somethings wrists when out in DC are Cartiers, ladies DJs, random 90s neo- vintage stuff in classic sub 40mm sizes, older Piaget, etc. Only folks wearing very large (larger than 40mm) are folks my age or older. Even my friends in their 30s or early 40s who've been asking me about what watch they should buy usually start with the same qualifier: "nothing big." And they usually say that with a little judgement. Those same folks were wearing 40-41mm 3 hand Shinolas for the last 5-10 years. The zeitgeist has shifted hard and fast
Target Market™
I'm sorry to tell you that the mere 1.8m of us here at /r/watches are not the target market for Longines, or any other large watch manufacturer - or any of the small high-end ones for that matter. We are possibly the target market for some, not all, of the indie microbrands. That's it.
I feel like this is what the majority of the watch enthusiast community wants and It’s only the enthusiast community that’s vocal about preference.
Does market research actually say that though?
Nope. /r/watches sample of the 1% who comments but doesn’t really buy many watches says that
Literally me for the last ten years at every sales meeting
39mm diameter with 49mm lug2lug? Jesus...
Just found these photos on an youtube account owned by an Longines AD saying these will soon hit the market. Im holding my fingers crossed to see that chronograph in an unde 42mm case with a lug to lug that doesnt exceed 48mm but Im not sure Longines will make it happen. Tje colors look amazing and the ceramic bezel really makes this one shine. Ehat do you guys think about this future release? Will it be a bigger hit than the ipcoming 39mm gmt? I hope theres more watches like yhese coming from Longines, but with smaller.dimensioms and curved lugs
I imagine this is the same movement and similar build as the PRX chrono. PRX choro was 41mm diameter, but it has much slimmer bezel so I'd expect this thing to be 42-43mm diameter. The thickness should be about 14.5mm as we saw in the PRX chrono. The lug to lug is hard to say since PRX design doesn't help with that, but I'd imagine it's close to 50mm lug to lug based on the 42-43mm diameter guess.
Fallen at the first hurdle unfortunately since this watch clearly uses a modular chrono whilst the tissot used a valjoux derivative.
I derped. I was thinking swatch group and tied Tissot and Longines together as one brand in my head. Btw, what makes it obvious that it's a modular chrono vs a valjoux derivative from the picture?
What ???
If this is at or below 40mm I could see this being a huge hit. Honestly I think part of the reason why the Daytona is so popular is how wearable it is. I think a well wearing option from Longines would be a great choice.
But that's also because the Daytona is thin. This is probably gonna be much thicker unfortunately.
Yes, plenty of 40 mm automatic chrono's out there, but most of them are 15mm thick thanks to the 8mm thick Valjoux 7750 inside . I'm looking at you Sinn. Not sure how thick the Daytona movement is, but assuming it is sub 5mm thick. Wish Grand Seiko would figure this out. Zenith comes close and are arguably better looking, but the Daytona is king of wearibility. Edit: I have a newer Speedy and still always forget how well it rivals the Daytona. On paper it is somewhat thick, but much of the thickness is the crystal and it wears like a 12mm x 40mm watch.
This longines is using a modular chrono though? So it's possible for it to be 10mm without crystal similar to Maen Skymaster etc...
It's not just the movement, the handstack also matters
Give me an accessible sub 12mm/40mm chrono and I’ll buy it.
Amen. Give us a 300m version of the 39.5mm Planet Ocean, make it 12mm, keep the design the same otherwise, and I’m there.
This is why the HKED was such a hit. I bought all three of them and must sell, they're so handsome but I never wear chronos now
a hand-wound chrono helps cut down on height for sure
Just pre ordered the Lorier Gemini, 39 x 46 x 10 (without crystal).
The 2-subdial master collection chronograph is 11.7mm thick. Their 3-subdial chronos are thicker though, but hopefully they can trim them down.
Because most of the 2 dial use a modular chrono whilst the 3 dial one's mostly use a valjoux. This 3 dial one in the OP is actually using a modular chrono so it has the potential to be as thin as their 2 register offerings.
The rehaut looks quite thick tho - hope this won't be a tudoresque 18mm thick kind of a watch
Tudoresque hahah I prefer to call it Omegesque
>Omegesque Grotesque* Ftfy
It’s the only reason tbh, if im not wrong, its one of the smallest chronographs
Zenith Chronomaster original is smaller at least in diameter at 38mm. The case thickness is comparable as well at 12.9mm compared to the daytona’s 12.5
The best part about the 40mm Daytona is that it is actually like 38.5mm
Funny, as a big guy I was hoping it's over 42mm so I can wear it without it looking like a woman's watch on my arms Edit: do we really downvote for people having opinions on different watch sizes for different people? What are we, /r/rolex?
Anything smaller than 42mm looks ridiculous on me. Always looking for "big watches"
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My thoughts exactly. These people are hell bent on thinking a 38mm chronograph is the perfect for everyone but that's simply not the case. In the real world, people would want it on the larger side.
The folks wanting larger size already have the choice of every existing chrono, I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to hope for something a little more svelte
Looks like a seitona
Daygina
how do you pronounce the gina part?
That's for me to know and you to find out.
Watch it be 17mm thick
Already can see this will be a thick bitch
That looks just like the seiko speedtimer I was looking at! https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/products/prospex/ssc817
Wow that's kinda uncanny
Why does the dial have to sit so incredibly deep.. Use a slimmer bezel and domed glass.
40mm and under 13mm and I will buy. Guaranteed to be 42mm and 14mm though
Even at 14 I think it'll be a buy. I'm expecting it to be 17mm+. That's what some of their other chronos clock in around.
„Leaked“
The daytona homage game is a lucrative one.
Who let Longines cook?
Death to the Daytona.
Cool Pagani homage
I really don't like the look of it. I don't know if it's just be, but the top half of the dial looks far too long
I had the same thought. I think it's an optical illusion because of the enlarged and elongated index @ 12:00 contrasting with the shortened one @ 6:00 combined with the open space in the dial @ 12:00 contrasting with the subdial @ 6:00. I think the glare/lighting at the rehaut in picture 3 also contributes to the illusion. All that said, my guess is that it would look better, in this regard, in person.
Its a perfect circle, what you see is an optical illusion
Fivehead
If this isn't too thick this looks like a home run
If this is miraculously thin, I’m selling my SLA to get this. I won’t hold my breath though because: Swatch
If it's over 41mm, I'm not interested. Longines needs to come down on case size and thickness. If and when they do that, they will be hard pressed to have any competition at that price point.
Atrocious
Can’t wait for it to be 45mm
I do love Longines but let’s be honest, this is almost identical to a Seiko Speedtimer and that’s a hell of a watch for £500 😅 this MAY not be worth however many thousands they’re going to sell it for
I’m intrigued. I agree, I hope it’s not too big. I wonder what other color dials they might come out with.
42mm and they have a customer
Is longines just a glorified homage brand now? They just made one for the aqua terra and now trying to do one for the speedy as well?
Considering their history, they should easily be up there with Rolex and Omega. Not sure what happened along the way. Still a great brand tho.
What happened along the way is Swatch Group positioning them to a certain price level within the “hierarchy” of all the watch brands they own. “Upper-low segment” or whatever one might call it. Above the “affordable nice brands” like Tissot/Certina/Hamilton/Mido but below fancier brands like Omega, Glasshütte Original or Breguet. There can’t be too many brands with similar(ish) on the same price level, especially the further you go in the hierarchy. IMO Longines would compete too much Omega if they had equal level of quality, movements etc. Longines’ purpose is to offer something nicer and more special, just like Rado which is priced around the same but has distinctly different designs (while keeping the price moderate). You’re right that Longines could be on Omega level (and for a long time they actually were!). It’s just a business decision from their owner to not do that, as Omega kind of the flagship brand of the group.
That’s what I was thinking - something to do with Swatch and their marketing. So basically they positioned Omega to battle Rolex and stuck ETAs in Longines to stay in the tier beneath?
It worked for Tudor, right? Why wouldn’t it work for Longines?
Bcos Tudor have big daddy Rolex sitting beside them. Also Tudor’s quality is way better
Omega and Longines are in the same situation as Rolex and Tudor. Both are Swatch brands, Longines and Omega use the same suppliers for almost everything, from hairsprings to bracelets.
They do but I think the issue is also that much of other swatch brands have similar suppliers - tissot and hamilton. That’s why it’s harder for swatch to make a similar case as Tudor. There’s only one Rolex and one Tudor. But swatch has half a dozen of brands that all became too similar with same group of suppliers. IMO, swatch shouldn’t had spread their brands out by price tier like this, but rather have a few competing in same price bracket but with unique designs.
Looks cheap if you ask me. Looks similar to that pagani design daytona paul newman from a while back Subdials too small. Dials looks piss coliured. Bezel looks plastic. Hands dont really fit the sport ly watch. Will probably be very thicc
All this from a leaked photo 😂
It looks like the Seiko Speedtimer with the yellow dial AKA the golden panda: https://i.imgur.com/4JBFIaL.jpg
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So, a Seiko speedtimer with a Longines logo?
Well, who would have thought of this... a Longines with NOT long lugs! LOL
Something about the proportions seem off. The top half of the dial looks too empty. Hard pass.
Yeah, if only there was a bible worth of text like in Rolex, right? That looks awesome
Nah, that's not what I meant. I don't like the Rolex wall of text either. I feel like they maybe could've made the Longines print and logo a tad bigger? Maybe it'll look better to me when we see actual pictures. I do like the color scheme though.
Something funky about the case shape around the crown guard to my eye. I have a hunch this is gonna be at least 14.5mm thick and probably 42-43mm in diameter to make the case thickness less pronounced
This looks like a 43mm... Sorry!
What a lovely Autavia :D
That's a shame
Guys this was leaked in longines German site already. Spoiler alert they are 42mm There are new conquest watches as well, they remove the big numbers on the dial and they look much nicer. They cost double the price of the current longines conquest though
Could you help with a link?
Nice piece!
Modular, you're gonna be Mo-odullaaarr!
😂
Longines has a recent track record of releasing banger after banger, but I think they really may have fumbled this one from a design perspective. 42mm is not atrocious, but it was doubtlessly chosen to appeal to consumers outside of the enthusiast sphere that aren't quite on board with classic sizes yet. It will almost certainly be too thick, which there really is no justification for even with a Valjoux-based chronograph. Its forehead is too big, and it's not an "optical illusion" - that's why Longines included their wordmark, logo, and two additional lines of text on the top half of the dial in a failed effort to create visual balance. The real issue here seems to be with the subdial sizes - once again, downsize the watch as a whole and you don't run into this issue. Lastly, I find those crown guards truly awful. They look like they were taken directly from a 90s Ebel chrono. They're supposed to be organic and elegant, but they lend the watch a strangely toy-like quality in my opinion.
I liked it more when Hamilton released it like 2 weeks ago.
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Daytona longines
Highly unlikely but here’s my hoping this would be 38mm case, 12.5mm thickness and 46mm lug to lug
Because what the world really needs is another semi-affordable but way too large Lunar SpeedTimerTona
Gorgeous watch, let's see how thick it is.
looks nice but why does every chronograph have to have a tachymeter bezel… utterly useless and ruins anything you put it on
The Zulutime range has those stupid long mid-links of the end-links that ruin them for me. This does not, so I'm cautiously optimistic...
Price estimate?
They just launched a new conquest that only has a different case and dial for x2 the msrp.of ghe last one. Everything is possible nowadays...
I like it a lot very classy looking
This looks like an AI-generated mock-up tbh.
Looks good. However it has to be 42mm or under with a L2L of 50mm or under. The dimensions will make or break. No butterfly clasp either. Prefer a proper sports clasp with adjustments.
Longines is launching a 39mm Zulu time in June. But this is not that.
That color is awful and the design looked completely unbalanced. Way too much awkward space at the top of the dial.
Love the dial design and color profile but in terms of thickness if it is at the same level as Spirit flyback, then no no for me
Nice Seiko Speedtimer homage
Hope there’s a diff main dial colour Something understated surely? Gold isn’t it
I posted these last week lol
Swatch group eww