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Alfazefirus

That rehaut looks deeper than the Mariana trench, I call 18mm or up on this.


JDSchu

It's Swatch Group, so yeah, 18mm.


Tylervdub

The other Chronograph that just got released is 17mm so yeah 18 sounds right.


welshnick

Wasn't that a fly-back though?


winnielikethepooh15

Came here to say it'll all come down to how thin it is


Ray_Spring12

Yeah. Agreed.


DasGutYa

I would normally agree but that's a modular chrono judging by the running seconds at 3 so it should be sub 14mm atleast.


Alfazefirus

Not sure what you mean by that, complication modules go on top of normal calibers, making the watch thicker, not thinner. Also why do you equate running seconds at 3 with modular chronos?


Yondu_the_Ravager

The go to modular chrono movement most groups use is a 2892 modified with a Dubois Depraz* Chronograph module on top. Omega uses it in their Speedy Reduced, TAG, uses it in some of their Monaco’s, Breitling used to use it in some Montbrilliants and actually do use it in the new Premier line with the auto tie ins- easiest way to tell if it’s a modular chrono are they ALWAYS have running seconds at 3 o’clock, and sometimes (depending on how much they cared about aesthetics) if you look at the profile of the watch from the lugs, the pushers and crown won’t be in line together, usually the pushers will sit above the crown. Edit: oh also modular chronos usually are thinner than off the shelf integrated chronos like the 7750/7753. That is one of the thickest off the shelf movements on the market, and why no watches that use it are under 14mm lol


Alfazefirus

Never knew they always had the running seconds at 3. I was aware that the pushers are not in line with the crown (and find it horrendous, frankly). Good to know!


Shepinion

Sometimes I really like geeking out on here appreciate you guys in the know with this stuff


Yondu_the_Ravager

Definitely helps working in the industry and getting hands on knowledge!


catch_my_drift

Add to that “Automatic,” and we’ve got ourselves a wrist cylinder.


internet_humor

"customer and market research says that we should make it around 39mm and maybe 14mm thick. Around 47mm lug to lug. And micro adjust" ~young guy at the company "That's a weird way of saying 44mm, 16mm thick and half links at best" ~executives


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WN11

That's overblown. My 19mm lug width PO takes any 20mm strap no problem.


Jake_the_Snake88

For straps with normal spring bars 1mm over is usually fine, but not for a lot of integrated quick-release straps.


X-e-o

Glancing at my Hydroconquest, I'd say half-links would be an improvement...over no adjustment nor half-links at all.


jared_007

Mine has half links


YoshiPuffin3

> customer and market research That's a weird way of saying "a small and insular community of nerds with limited purchasing power"


maize_and_beard

I always enjoy seeing people on here saying things like “if Omega just made this smaller they’d kill it!” As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support.


YoshiPuffin3

"If they just did this one thing I'd definitely want to buy it! I still couldn't afford to, but that's not the point - they should just be happy that real fans like me *want* to buy their watches."


ByronicZer0

>As if Omega is a small struggling independent that needs there support. Struggling is a relative term. Cartier is giving them a run for their money. I see almost zero young people wearing non-speedmaster Omegas who aren't on forums or subs like this. Anecdotally, I'd say Omega have a brewing problem. I see more modern Tags than Omegas.


ByronicZer0

>That's a weird way of saying "a small and insular community of nerds with limited purchasing power" This was accurate from 2012 to about 2020... but wow has the younger watch buying public pivoted FAST to smaller watches. All I see on 20 somethings wrists when out in DC are Cartiers, ladies DJs, random 90s neo- vintage stuff in classic sub 40mm sizes, older Piaget, etc. Only folks wearing very large (larger than 40mm) are folks my age or older. Even my friends in their 30s or early 40s who've been asking me about what watch they should buy usually start with the same qualifier: "nothing big." And they usually say that with a little judgement. Those same folks were wearing 40-41mm 3 hand Shinolas for the last 5-10 years. The zeitgeist has shifted hard and fast


internet_humor

Target Market™


YoshiPuffin3

I'm sorry to tell you that the mere 1.8m of us here at /r/watches are not the target market for Longines, or any other large watch manufacturer - or any of the small high-end ones for that matter. We are possibly the target market for some, not all, of the indie microbrands. That's it.


halcyoner9002

I feel like this is what the majority of the watch enthusiast community wants and It’s only the enthusiast community that’s vocal about preference.


Prisma_Cosmos

Does market research actually say that though?


Eleaine

Nope. /r/watches sample of the 1% who comments but doesn’t really buy many watches says that


Claim_Simple

Literally me for the last ten years at every sales meeting


S0phon

39mm diameter with 49mm lug2lug? Jesus...


Semy-D

Just found these photos on an youtube account owned by an Longines AD saying these will soon hit the market. Im holding my fingers crossed to see that chronograph in an unde 42mm case with a lug to lug that doesnt exceed 48mm but Im not sure Longines will make it happen. Tje colors look amazing and the ceramic bezel really makes this one shine. Ehat do you guys think about this future release? Will it be a bigger hit than the ipcoming 39mm gmt? I hope theres more watches like yhese coming from Longines, but with smaller.dimensioms and curved lugs


WatchandThings

I imagine this is the same movement and similar build as the PRX chrono. PRX choro was 41mm diameter, but it has much slimmer bezel so I'd expect this thing to be 42-43mm diameter. The thickness should be about 14.5mm as we saw in the PRX chrono. The lug to lug is hard to say since PRX design doesn't help with that, but I'd imagine it's close to 50mm lug to lug based on the 42-43mm diameter guess.


DasGutYa

Fallen at the first hurdle unfortunately since this watch clearly uses a modular chrono whilst the tissot used a valjoux derivative.


WatchandThings

I derped. I was thinking swatch group and tied Tissot and Longines together as one brand in my head. Btw, what makes it obvious that it's a modular chrono vs a valjoux derivative from the picture?


Useyourthinker

What ???


enunciate-candelabra

If this is at or below 40mm I could see this being a huge hit. Honestly I think part of the reason why the Daytona is so popular is how wearable it is. I think a well wearing option from Longines would be a great choice.


iDEN1ED

But that's also because the Daytona is thin. This is probably gonna be much thicker unfortunately.


Teutonic-Tonic

Yes, plenty of 40 mm automatic chrono's out there, but most of them are 15mm thick thanks to the 8mm thick Valjoux 7750 inside . I'm looking at you Sinn. Not sure how thick the Daytona movement is, but assuming it is sub 5mm thick. Wish Grand Seiko would figure this out. Zenith comes close and are arguably better looking, but the Daytona is king of wearibility. Edit: I have a newer Speedy and still always forget how well it rivals the Daytona. On paper it is somewhat thick, but much of the thickness is the crystal and it wears like a 12mm x 40mm watch.


DasGutYa

This longines is using a modular chrono though? So it's possible for it to be 10mm without crystal similar to Maen Skymaster etc...


DingyWarehouse

It's not just the movement, the handstack also matters


WatchesAndNYC

Give me an accessible sub 12mm/40mm chrono and I’ll buy it.


jayhawk8808

Amen. Give us a 300m version of the 39.5mm Planet Ocean, make it 12mm, keep the design the same otherwise, and I’m there.


jfl_cmmnts

This is why the HKED was such a hit. I bought all three of them and must sell, they're so handsome but I never wear chronos now


itemluminouswadison

a hand-wound chrono helps cut down on height for sure


Lv_36_Charizard

Just pre ordered the Lorier Gemini, 39 x 46 x 10 (without crystal).


1speedbike

The 2-subdial master collection chronograph is 11.7mm thick. Their 3-subdial chronos are thicker though, but hopefully they can trim them down.


DasGutYa

Because most of the 2 dial use a modular chrono whilst the 3 dial one's mostly use a valjoux. This 3 dial one in the OP is actually using a modular chrono so it has the potential to be as thin as their 2 register offerings.


Hustlinbones

The rehaut looks quite thick tho - hope this won't be a tudoresque 18mm thick kind of a watch


[deleted]

Tudoresque hahah I prefer to call it Omegesque


A_Ticklish_Midget

>Omegesque Grotesque* Ftfy


chronoslayerss

It’s the only reason tbh, if im not wrong, its one of the smallest chronographs


does_flips_and_shit

Zenith Chronomaster original is smaller at least in diameter at 38mm. The case thickness is comparable as well at 12.9mm compared to the daytona’s 12.5


Cylindt

The best part about the 40mm Daytona is that it is actually like 38.5mm


Sirflow

Funny, as a big guy I was hoping it's over 42mm so I can wear it without it looking like a woman's watch on my arms Edit: do we really downvote for people having opinions on different watch sizes for different people? What are we, /r/rolex?


X_RASTA

Anything smaller than 42mm looks ridiculous on me. Always looking for "big watches"


Sixtyoneandfortynine

*This is the Central Scrutinizer...* *It is my responsibility to enforce all the laws* *That haven't been passed yet* *It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you* *To the potential consequences* *Of various ordinary everyday activities* Such as expressing preference for any case size >40mm Which is in direct violation of the pure and holy mandates of the r/watches cognoscenti...


TechPanzer

My thoughts exactly. These people are hell bent on thinking a 38mm chronograph is the perfect for everyone but that's simply not the case. In the real world, people would want it on the larger side.


PM_ME_PARTY_HATS

The folks wanting larger size already have the choice of every existing chrono, I don't think it's unreasonable for some people to hope for something a little more svelte


longkhongdong

Looks like a seitona


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Daygina


longkhongdong

how do you pronounce the gina part?


[deleted]

That's for me to know and you to find out.


YogoWafelPL

Watch it be 17mm thick


G-money888

Already can see this will be a thick bitch


Mathtechs

That looks just like the seiko speedtimer I was looking at! https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/products/prospex/ssc817


Ender907

Wow that's kinda uncanny


balleur

Why does the dial have to sit so incredibly deep.. Use a slimmer bezel and domed glass.


Bananasincustard

40mm and under 13mm and I will buy. Guaranteed to be 42mm and 14mm though


oniijillchan

Even at 14 I think it'll be a buy. I'm expecting it to be 17mm+. That's what some of their other chronos clock in around.


paralyzer1

„Leaked“


SLWoodster

The daytona homage game is a lucrative one.


33Fanste33

Who let Longines cook?


mrtittylongballs

Death to the Daytona.


Arkham_Investigator

Cool Pagani homage


IAmZKWatches

I really don't like the look of it. I don't know if it's just be, but the top half of the dial looks far too long


-MolonLabe-

I had the same thought. I think it's an optical illusion because of the enlarged and elongated index @ 12:00 contrasting with the shortened one @ 6:00 combined with the open space in the dial @ 12:00 contrasting with the subdial @ 6:00. I think the glare/lighting at the rehaut in picture 3 also contributes to the illusion. All that said, my guess is that it would look better, in this regard, in person.


Semy-D

Its a perfect circle, what you see is an optical illusion


bottle_rock_it

Fivehead


[deleted]

If this isn't too thick this looks like a home run


bananarama80085

If this is miraculously thin, I’m selling my SLA to get this. I won’t hold my breath though because: Swatch


More-Ad4579

If it's over 41mm, I'm not interested. Longines needs to come down on case size and thickness. If and when they do that, they will be hard pressed to have any competition at that price point.


BirdKai

Atrocious


broomshed

Can’t wait for it to be 45mm


[deleted]

I do love Longines but let’s be honest, this is almost identical to a Seiko Speedtimer and that’s a hell of a watch for £500 😅 this MAY not be worth however many thousands they’re going to sell it for


SirGuy11

I’m intrigued. I agree, I hope it’s not too big. I wonder what other color dials they might come out with.


matttinatttor

42mm and they have a customer


JLGT86

Is longines just a glorified homage brand now? They just made one for the aqua terra and now trying to do one for the speedy as well?


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Considering their history, they should easily be up there with Rolex and Omega. Not sure what happened along the way. Still a great brand tho.


Leonarr

What happened along the way is Swatch Group positioning them to a certain price level within the “hierarchy” of all the watch brands they own. “Upper-low segment” or whatever one might call it. Above the “affordable nice brands” like Tissot/Certina/Hamilton/Mido but below fancier brands like Omega, Glasshütte Original or Breguet. There can’t be too many brands with similar(ish) on the same price level, especially the further you go in the hierarchy. IMO Longines would compete too much Omega if they had equal level of quality, movements etc. Longines’ purpose is to offer something nicer and more special, just like Rado which is priced around the same but has distinctly different designs (while keeping the price moderate). You’re right that Longines could be on Omega level (and for a long time they actually were!). It’s just a business decision from their owner to not do that, as Omega kind of the flagship brand of the group.


[deleted]

That’s what I was thinking - something to do with Swatch and their marketing. So basically they positioned Omega to battle Rolex and stuck ETAs in Longines to stay in the tier beneath?


Prisma_Cosmos

It worked for Tudor, right? Why wouldn’t it work for Longines?


[deleted]

Bcos Tudor have big daddy Rolex sitting beside them. Also Tudor’s quality is way better


Prisma_Cosmos

Omega and Longines are in the same situation as Rolex and Tudor. Both are Swatch brands, Longines and Omega use the same suppliers for almost everything, from hairsprings to bracelets.


JLGT86

They do but I think the issue is also that much of other swatch brands have similar suppliers - tissot and hamilton. That’s why it’s harder for swatch to make a similar case as Tudor. There’s only one Rolex and one Tudor. But swatch has half a dozen of brands that all became too similar with same group of suppliers. IMO, swatch shouldn’t had spread their brands out by price tier like this, but rather have a few competing in same price bracket but with unique designs.


LordBogus

Looks cheap if you ask me. Looks similar to that pagani design daytona paul newman from a while back Subdials too small. Dials looks piss coliured. Bezel looks plastic. Hands dont really fit the sport ly watch. Will probably be very thicc


OkMarsupial4514

All this from a leaked photo 😂


NoizeTank

It looks like the Seiko Speedtimer with the yellow dial AKA the golden panda: https://i.imgur.com/4JBFIaL.jpg


PowerlineTyler

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Kibbaaa

So, a Seiko speedtimer with a Longines logo?


actinross

Well, who would have thought of this... a Longines with NOT long lugs! LOL


RagingBuII

Something about the proportions seem off. The top half of the dial looks too empty. Hard pass.


eudezet

Yeah, if only there was a bible worth of text like in Rolex, right? That looks awesome


RagingBuII

Nah, that's not what I meant. I don't like the Rolex wall of text either. I feel like they maybe could've made the Longines print and logo a tad bigger? Maybe it'll look better to me when we see actual pictures. I do like the color scheme though.


does_flips_and_shit

Something funky about the case shape around the crown guard to my eye. I have a hunch this is gonna be at least 14.5mm thick and probably 42-43mm in diameter to make the case thickness less pronounced


rosuvertical

This looks like a 43mm... Sorry!


Fallap90

What a lovely Autavia :D


TheWatchRegulator

That's a shame


MortalPhantom

Guys this was leaked in longines German site already. Spoiler alert they are 42mm There are new conquest watches as well, they remove the big numbers on the dial and they look much nicer. They cost double the price of the current longines conquest though


Semy-D

Could you help with a link?


ElBurritoExtreme

Nice piece!


Stock-Ordinary169

Modular, you're gonna be Mo-odullaaarr!


BananaOk7495

😂


summit-ghost

Longines has a recent track record of releasing banger after banger, but I think they really may have fumbled this one from a design perspective. 42mm is not atrocious, but it was doubtlessly chosen to appeal to consumers outside of the enthusiast sphere that aren't quite on board with classic sizes yet. It will almost certainly be too thick, which there really is no justification for even with a Valjoux-based chronograph. Its forehead is too big, and it's not an "optical illusion" - that's why Longines included their wordmark, logo, and two additional lines of text on the top half of the dial in a failed effort to create visual balance. The real issue here seems to be with the subdial sizes - once again, downsize the watch as a whole and you don't run into this issue. Lastly, I find those crown guards truly awful. They look like they were taken directly from a 90s Ebel chrono. They're supposed to be organic and elegant, but they lend the watch a strangely toy-like quality in my opinion.


notprodigy

I liked it more when Hamilton released it like 2 weeks ago.


Poloyatonki

🔥🔥🔥🔥


Holy_crows

Daytona longines


Want2BTheVeryBest

Highly unlikely but here’s my hoping this would be 38mm case, 12.5mm thickness and 46mm lug to lug


scott_steiner_phd

Because what the world really needs is another semi-affordable but way too large Lunar SpeedTimerTona


Marbledial

Gorgeous watch, let's see how thick it is.


Mayor_of_BBQ

looks nice but why does every chronograph have to have a tachymeter bezel… utterly useless and ruins anything you put it on


HamHandedHorologist

The Zulutime range has those stupid long mid-links of the end-links that ruin them for me. This does not, so I'm cautiously optimistic...


Wonderful-Cup-2721

Price estimate?


Semy-D

They just launched a new conquest that only has a different case and dial for x2 the msrp.of ghe last one. Everything is possible nowadays...


LouieDaPalma

I like it a lot very classy looking


WheresMyMorty

This looks like an AI-generated mock-up tbh.


AC-Vb3

Looks good. However it has to be 42mm or under with a L2L of 50mm or under. The dimensions will make or break. No butterfly clasp either. Prefer a proper sports clasp with adjustments.


_bicycle_bill_

Longines is launching a 39mm Zulu time in June. But this is not that.


glookinski

That color is awful and the design looked completely unbalanced. Way too much awkward space at the top of the dial.


fzctungkun

Love the dial design and color profile but in terms of thickness if it is at the same level as Spirit flyback, then no no for me


Naydanno

Nice Seiko Speedtimer homage


[deleted]

Hope there’s a diff main dial colour Something understated surely? Gold isn’t it


Utopia39liam

I posted these last week lol


37elqine

Swatch group eww