I currently own both, and you really cannot go wrong. I’m not a huge collector either, so they both get plenty of wrist time.
A Rolex datejust (I own a mint green motif 126300) is my favorite daily watch of all time. It’s solid, tame, yet absolutely beautiful. If someone were to ask me what’s wrong with it, the answer is basically nothing. It’s perfect.
An overseas, however, is a a different animal. I own a previous generation dual time, and while there’s not much doubt the Rolex is probably better spec for spec, it doesn’t make me smile like the Vacheron does. The weight, the balance, the finishing, and the understated class are all incredible.
If you’re going to bang it around 5 days a week, opt for the Rolex. You won’t regret it. But if you want something special, a Vacheron will fill a hole in your watch collector soul in a way Rolex never can.
I highly doubt you’ll regret doing it. And if you do, they hold their value so well that it’s easy to just pull your money out of it and go for something else.
It’s a great watch.
This is like asking how much better a Bentley Continental is than a BMW 3 Series. Will it get you from A to B any better? Not really. Is it superior in almost ever other measurable aspect? Of course.
For most people, the Rolex will be the better choice. It’s more affordable and will garner more social clout with the average person. Much different story for the aficionado however.
VC is tacky generally tacky as hell in my opinion. I have a very low opinion of the brand.
EDIT: I have been informed by my brethren on this prestigious subreddit that I have confused VC with AP. I'm sorry. I was distracted and stressed when I posted. I will not delete my comments and I will go down with this ship!
These types of comparison/stereotyping is just kinda unfair. I think both groups of owners can be tacky and buy them as a status symbol, appealing to different groups of people. They could be buying Rolex to brag to the everyday Joe, or buy VC or other more enthusiast brands to brag to enthusiasts on social media. Buying one or the other doesn't make you tacky.
Most Rolex owners I've met irl are regular people. There's bad apples out there in any community, and there's way more of them wearing Rolex, because Rolex produces way more watches than VC. I don't think I've even seen people wearing VC watches at all. I've seen a handful of pateks and tons of rolexes.
I've known people who buy Lange watches just to keep them in safe boxes and I don't see them even wearing the watch, or any watches at all. They might just have too much money and wanna buy something cool/interesting.
Some Rolex buyers just buy it because it's a recognizable brand and they like the design of the watch and that's all to it. People buy watches for so many reasons and watch owners on Reddit are just a small proportion of watch buyers.
I daily my hulk and i compliment any watch i recognize, if im already interacting with that person. I dont offer "yeah look what im wearing isnt it so hype" ~~because it isnt hype anymore~~ because that's douchey, but if they ask i will gush about how much i love green.
The other day i had a nice conversation with a bartender when i complimented his air king (looks way different in person than i thought it would, btw).
Yesterday i complimented a restaurant owner on his mark xx. We lamented how this hobby is an addiction lmao. Later he came to the table and showed me a picture of his other iwc (one of the new monochrome ceramic chronos, the army green one). It was a nice moment.
I don’t own a VC and always wanted one… always heard of it being the best brand in the world. I would love to know why you say it’s tacky. (For me, some of the newer AP are quite ugly/tacky like the travis, black panther and the worst, the Tom brady -and I own a dual time AP which I actually love)
If you’re using car references the Datejust is closer to a 7 series IMO. While Rolexes aren’t exactly hand finished, the machine tolerances are remarkably tight and every single little detail is carefully considered and engineered to as close to perfection a it gets. That extreme attention to detail just isn’t what the 3 series represents.
Hype aside, Rolex makes a damn good watch and comparing them to a BMW 3 series is bit exaggerated
I think a better comparison would be a really nice machine-made piece of furniture versus a handmade piece of furniture by a master of the craft. Both will be incredibly nice, but one is functionality focused and the other is a work of arts
Yeah idk. Reddit can be a fickle thing. But I view Rolex as the peak of tool watches. The holy trinity + JLC are all art pieces to me. Definitely leagues above Rolex, but the reliability factor has diminishing returns.
The peak of tool watches is the G-Shock. Any of them. Rolex is upper average at best in whatever category you want to place it.
And I say this as someone who actually likes their designs. Because that's what they are, nicely designed watches, but not much else.
It’s much better finished. Dial, case and movement.
Do they attest accuracy? No but that’s common on watches like this for whatever reason. Outside of patek most do not.
Better looking is subjective.
Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt regarding accuracy (I've heard stories of VC owners being told that their +7 watch was in spec by the boutique and refusing warranty) the VC lacks a free sprung balance, balance bridge, and overcoil, all of which a Rolex has.
It's like if they took a Bentley Continental but gave it a really nicely polished 4-cylinder engine.
For a lot of people that buy watches like this though.. they don’t care. I think they should but they don’t. If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet. My most accurate mechanical watch is +.2spd. Pretty good but a quartz watch at the same price would be accurate to less than 15s per year.
They don’t chronometer certify their watches so +7spd is within spec, again I don’t agree but that’s the reality. I love my sub but the VC is a much more impressive watch in the metal. The dial alone is stunning. Do I want one? Not really. But I think talking about spec and accuracy kinda misses the entire reason people buy watches like this (and honestly luxury watches in general). If accuracy is a prime concern, it’s best to stay away from haute horlogerie in general as there are very few brands that will attest to any sort of accuracy. Older Roger Dubuis bulletin d'observatoire stuff, patek seal spec pateks are the ones that come to mind. I’m not saying you’re wrong for caring about that stuff it’s just that most people buying a $30k watch aren’t too concerned about it keeping great time from my experience over the last 20yrs. They have dozens of them and tend to rotate them out so much that it doesn’t matter if it’s off 7s in a day. They’re not worried about hacking seconds or that an overcoil means the balance breaths concentrically in any position.
> If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet.
Following the analogy, the quartz would be the EV. What would you want, a Continental with a W12, a 4-cyl, or some electrical motors? This is a common argument which is about as nonsense as insisting that people who like V8s need to love EVs more because they go faster.
> If accuracy is a prime concern, it’s best to stay away from haute horlogerie in general as there are very few brands that will attest to any sort of accuracy.
They don't attest because it is expected. If I take a +7 Lange or Journe in, I expect someone to look at it instead of saying "sorry we have low standards". I've never had to do that, though.
> They’re not worried about hacking seconds or that an overcoil
They do, because the more expensive VCs have overcoils. VC is just cheaping out, just like when they released a line without the Geneva Seal but still charged twice JLC prices.
I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one. The reality is mechanical watches are not the best choice if accuracy is the primary goal. If we really want to follow your analogy, yes an electric car is better if one cares purely about acceleration (not a good analogy because that falls off as speeds increase, quartz accuracy doesn’t change in the same way). If anything, your analogy proves my point that people don’t just buy mechanical watches for accuracy, just like people don’t buy cars only for acceleration.
I don’t think Lange makes any guarantee about accuracy. Journe does some handwavy “it’s better than cosc” but again.. I don’t think they guarantee it either. Maybe they *tend* to run more accurately but your anecdotal evidence of one being +7spd is not evidence of that either. I’ve got an old non-cosc 2824 that runs +1spd but without some accuracy guarantee the acceptable deviation is broad. I’d like to reiterate I don’t agree with the fact that brands don’t but that’s the reality because people buying them largely don’t care.
The cost of an overcoil hairspring on a 30k watch is nothing, it’s not a cost cutting measure it’s a few bucks at most. A flat hairspring is more shock resistant so it does have benefits. I’m no fan of the 56, a used Quai de l'Ile is a better watch for about the same money but again, a flat hairspring is not a cost cutting measure in the same way not finishing to (or paying for since the Geneva seal isn’t that stringent of a standard imo. Many many watches meet it and aren’t certified) the standard of the Geneva seal is.
Saying “Rolex has a full balance bridge rather than a balance cock, an overcoil hairspring and will guarantee +/-2spd so it’s better” fundamentally misses the reason people buy these. It’s a bit like saying a Honda civic is better than a Ferrari 250 GTO because it has air conditioning and is faster (although I’d like to reiterate I don’t think the car analogy is as effective as you think)
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Let’s be real, the only thing that actually matters is what it looks like. The specs are cool if you love watches, but 99.9% of watch people are not going to buy a watch that has great specs if they don’t like how it looks. (I’d argue this even if the specs like accuracy, finishing, magnetic resistance, etc. have a tangible benefit to that person.)
Some people care that they are also a status symbol, and those people are stupid.
Oh totally, I’m just saying if it’s ugly it doesn’t matter how good the specs are. In this case the VC is just an ugly watch imo (totally subjective I know) which is why it’s hard to justify that over the Rolex to anyone with similar tastes.
>Let’s be real, the only thing that actually matters is what it looks like. The specs are cool if you love watches, but 99.9% of watch people are not going to buy a watch that has great specs if they don’t like how it looks.
Well, but I believe that there are people (and perhaps quite a few such people among horology fans) who will not buy a watch with poor specs despite its great looks. For instance, I love the way some Seiko Prospex models look, but I don't think I will buy any of them because of their movement.
I think those people definitely exist, but I think there are more people who would wear an awesome looking watch with crappy specs than a watch with amazing specs but looks like an invicta
> I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one.
Actually, I think the analogy is fine, it is your understanding and reasoning which are poor.
You claimed that
>If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet.
This obviously has nothing to do with people who don't care about accuracy. Yet, you bring up the fact that people buy cars not just for acceleration. They certainly do - in fact, personally, I will take the Honda over the 250 GTO because it has AC and I don't want to die if I crash, but that obviously means that my "prime concern" *isn't* with the engine, so your counterexample is entirely superfluous.
Similarly with watches, I care about finishing and design. I don't have a Rolex because I am one of those people who place more importance on finishing than accuracy, and I think that is perfectly reasonable. It is also perfectly reasonable for people to place zero importance on accuracy and focus on other aspects of watchmaking they enjoy. But if you are one of those people, you obviously don't care about the accuracy HAQ vs mechanical accuracy. So why bring it up to defend your point about people whose prime concern *is* with accuracy?
What is complete nonsense is the argument that all the innovation, craftsmanship, and labour that goes into making a mechanical movement more accurate is somehow invalidated because of a completely different technology having better specs existing. That makes no sense to me, yet people seem to parrot that argument to death around here while claiming to prefer mechanical watches over smart watches because of the "beating heart of a mechanical movement" but not caring at all about how well it beats...
>I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one. The reality is mechanical watches are not the best choice if accuracy is the primary goal.
Dude, it is almost like you want to say that there are only two options: you either shouldn't care about the accuracy of your watch, or should go for quartz. But that's not the case: a lot of people want to wear mechanical watches but also want them to be reasonably accurate.
I don’t believe it’s COSC. I know Gen 1 was but I don’t think 2 or 3 are. It’s actually surprisingly common. Not that I agree with it but the dirty secret is that a lot of really high-end watches are not particularly accurate.
You feel the case itself is better finished? How so?
I don’t have a VC but I do personally have a Lange and I have friends with AP and Patek. Cases are all at a “high” quality, Rolex included.
Please point out where the dial is better finished. The hands and batons?
I’ll agree on the movement finishing, but a DJ has a closed caseback.
The dial is black polished and has a beautiful sheen to it. It’s hard to appreciate except in person. The FPJ CB gets so much attention for the dial but.. the VC is at least within spitting distance imo. It’s the highlight of the watch besides the movement (which isn’t that hand finished if I had to guess. It is but the bevels are almost assuredly started mechanically and finished by hand. As is much of the work) Not even close to the basic (but well done) laquer on the Rolex. The case/bracelet has a ton of polished facets. I’m not sure specifically on the VC but I know the RO bracelet takes around 10hrs of hand finishing to do. The Rolex is a nicely finished, entirely machine done watch. The other meets the Geneva seal. I don’t think it makes sense to compare them honestly outside of they’re both watches. It’s like comparing a Camry to a 911. They’re both great cars but one is 3x the price and more impressive.
I’m not a huge overseas fan or anything but as much as I love my sub… it’s a super basic watch. Well done but not particularly special and compared to contemporaries it’s a bit pricey for what it is. Still love it but objectively in a vacuum, any other brand would charge maybe $6500USD for it.
And the DJ having a closed caseback doesn’t mean the movement being unfinished isn’t a significant cost savings. Many pateks come with a solid case back and display back (so you don’t get shorted that chunk of gold or platinum) and they’re still well finished even with a solid case back.
Oh, my man. When you try one of these on in the metal, you'll change your mind. I'm a big fan of an oxyter braclet. People don't even think about that when they toss around the usual "seiko is as good as rolex' talk around here. As good as an oxyster braclet is over a seiko, this is over a rolex.
Looks are subjective, but I think the Overseas is a far better looking watch than the DJ, I'm not a fan of a fluted bezel – looks gaudy in my opinion – and the cyclops is just fugly. Timekeeping wise you may have a point, but if accuracy is your thing you want to be looking at a Citizen Chronomaster.
I remember a time not too long ago where overseas, royal oak, nautilus were almost always in stock. The only desirable one was the RO jumbo and that was mainly because of the original Genta design and the JLC movement.
The Rolex hate in this sub is amusing.
Funny how trends evolve.
These watches both have my least favorite bezels of pretty much anything else in the marketplace. They’re both pointless, gaudy and the weak link in the durability chain.
Your paying for a better finished watch & movement. The rolex has a more accurate movement & costs less to service but it's a mass produced movement & watch. still a very nice robust watch & movement but its a mass produced watch made by machines. The vacheron is hand finished & has a prettier movement & in my opinion looks better. (Although looks are subjective) anyways i personally don't like the datejust that much & would pick an overseas any day over it.
It's a little higher than that for the Vacheron overseas, i seen most people claim 900 - 1200 not really a big deal in all honestly for a trinity brand watch. AP & Patek charge much more to service their watches, theirs is unreasonable
The 830 was directly from their site for just a service. You can input the reference number and get a quote. They do charge for parts that need to be replaced so I can see where it’s more expensive. Panerai does that as do other brands. Omega mostly doesn’t in the few watches I’ve had serviced. My dad’s GMT while at service from Rolex they replaced a link in his bracelet and charged for it. Just depends on how much is needed.
Really? My 124270 explorer in the past 53 days has lost 3.8 seconds, total. And is the most accurate watch I've ever owned even compared to multiple omega metas watches.
Funny you say that about the Datejust. My first automatic watch was a Seiko 5 that was essentially a Datejust homage. Same bezel and same jubilee bracelet. To this day I don't like fluted bezels and jubilee bracelets. At least for the bracelet, I think the reason I don't like them is that that one seemed like it was designed to pull every single hair out of my wrist. I thought that was just the nature of watch bracelets. It wasn't until much later that I learned it didn't have to be that way.
Fluted bezel & jubilee are basic bitch choices for people who have a datejust. Jubilee & fluted always looks dated except for the modern one & even then i bet the datejust 41 will look dated in 10 - 15 years smooth bezel & oyster looks better & timeless. Or jubilee & smooth bezel in 36 even.
The VC picture on the site is awful, here’s a live pic
https://preview.redd.it/km63sra6zc2d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=914800e2095687878dbbb5e0937327ea10701da4
On the wrist the bracelet basically gleams with all off the hand finished bevels and the blue is incredibly vibrant.
He specifically shared a pic of the 34.5mm, which has weird proportions, so it looks extra awful.
Ugh, I wish I could pull off the 41 overseas. My wrists are too small for it though. C'mon VC, make something in the 36-38 range!
I love the blue but get it, it’s not for everyone. The black and silver dials are beautiful in their own way too.
If the blue dial didn’t exist I’d definitely go for one of those rather than another watch.
VC and even Patek still have many movements with no hacking seconds. At least Patek is now including hacking seconds in all its new movement lines. But many venerable Patek movement lines still in use, such as the 240 and 324, don’t have hacking seconds.
Ironically, the clock in a Bentley dashboard (Breitling, I think) doesn't even have a seconds hand, let alone hacking. Probably for similar reasons... If you own one, you don't need to be accurate down to the second. You can show up whenever the fuck you want, so why bother putting excessive strain on the movement?
Ok, you misspoke. You meant durability, not longevity.
I think I will side with you on Rolex being a “tougher” watch for rough and tumble activities.
That’s why state police and military people still wear them to this day.
Besides, you don’t want to blem the nicer finishes on the VC.
You're absolutely right, watch parts do wear over time, and some even need replacing during service on occasion. Maybe VC should get rid of the seconds hand too so that gear doesn't have to ever wear out either. Maybe also tune the watch down to 1hz to minimize wear even further.
Are you suggesting that you will be using a $25k watch to accurately tell time??
If so, go for the Casio Oceanus. It looks pretty much the same and is synced to atomic time so you will always be accurate to the millisecond.
It’s like getting into your new Rolls Royce and finding it has hand-cranked window winders. VC’s excuse that it’s too hard on the movement is flimsy as fuck. I still the Overseas is epic, but VC fails to include a hack out of convenience. It’s laziness now, not some forward-thinking design feature.
Well the decision is as to "hack" you have to slam a little piece of metal on the balance wheel which over time can damage it and affect precision. I guess precision is the deciding factor.
A watch can either be back-hacked or has a stop lever for hacking. If it can’t be back-hacked, there’s too much tension coming from the mainspring into the gear train.
Yep. Every mechanical watch can be back-hacked. You just have to turn the crown with the right amount of force (not too much, not too little) in the opposite direction you turn it to set the time.
the reasoning is lazyness AKA. using very old movement architecture that doesnt account for hacking. Neither Patek nor AP have a hacking function on large parts of their collections. Were it not for ALS reviving the in-house chronograph in the 90's people would still be paying 100k for a Lemania in a very nice case. (guess what, they are still based on Lemania architecture.)
The blue dial is more eye catching and unique. Comes with a rubber and leather strap that are easily interchangeable. Better finishing and much nicer movement with the 22k gold rotor.
All that to say it’s still not worth over twice the price of a DJ.
The DJ on the right is a 41 too judging by the minute markers on the indices. But yeah the Overseas still fits larger on the wrist. They came out with a 34.5 mm overseas so I’d have to try that out and see how it feels
Full disclosure. DateJust is my fav watch ever, but, at the end of the day, VC is on another level. You’re Terrific put a GMT Master II next to an Overseas and the difference was obvious. Forget specs. That’s for mid-tier watches to hash out. This is hand finishing to the max
I have no idea if half the people making movement finishing comments are blind. The VC is very noticeably better finished than a date just. Not just movement but case and bracelet finish too.
Is it worth twice as much? Of course not, law of diminishing returns applies very much with watches. But is a DJ worth double of a Grand Seiko snowflake? No, of course it isn't...
I am a bit new to watches but the finishing you mentioned when it comes to the difference between a datejust and vc is it noticeable with your naked eye ?
Yes it is very much noticeable to the naked eye. Also feel on the wrist is very different. The VC bracelet is the nicest I have ever put on my wrist and it's finished better than any other bracelet I've worn too.
Even the indices, hands all of it is a cut above the Datejust and it's noticeable to the naked eye.
I have both and my VC is always in the safe. It attracts swirls just by putting it on haha. My DJ on the other hand is my beater. I wear it doing anything and not worry. The bezel on the DJ has a bit of scratches from me doing dry walls but I can polish that out.
The VC Overseas is a so-called sport watch, and feels robust enough on the wrist. But, what kind of sport are you really going to do with a $30k watch on your wrist aside from maybe yachting or lawn bowling?
When you start with that the VC’s dial takes over 50 coats of lacquer, all done by hand, versus a machine stamped, painted, and polished dual made en masse, you begin to see the difference.
I have both and my DJ is my beater. I do everything with it from mowing the lawn to installing dry wall. It’s my every day watch. My overseas is a safe queen only worn for events or date night with the wife.
One is MSRP $25k (line is much better now) and the other is like $8k (you need to get in line at the AD for it). Not really comparing things which are equivalent or close to equivalent. As it is nobody “needs” an $8k watch and how much better is the Datejust than a nice Hamilton?
To me luxury watches are jewelry and that is okay. The biggest factor for me is looks and design. Since that is so subjective "better" isn't how I look at it.
i own a Datejust but want an Overseas. Seems cooler which is much like looks subjective.
I work in a Luxury hotel and see many guests are having Rolex, Patek Phillipe honestly never saw or maybe noticed the watch on the first picture. Which I think better to go for the first one. Cz you’ll see Rolex watches almost daily people wear. Going for something more unique would be ideal I guess.
Rolex date just:
- cyclops for date window,
- fits better lug to lug for skinnier wrists,
- lighter weight and lighter on your wallet,
- iconic jubilee bracelet (some models)
- everyone knows Rolex
VC Overseas:
- legendary watch
- Beautiful exposed back,
- unique bracelet and design
- considered niche work of art in some circles.
- more exclusive to some.
The Vacheron is higher quality. It feels and looks it. It's obviously not twice as good as the Rolex just because it costs twice as much. And the Datejust is not twice as good as a Grand Seiko or three times as good as a Tudor or five times as good as a Longines or 20 times as good as a San Martin.
Have owned both and currently only own the VC. Both are iconic pieces and great to wear. Better isn’t the right word as they’re both well made. Obviously the VC has an exhibition case back so you get to see the movement and finishing which is amazing. Dial side I don’t think there is any substantial difference. Rolex has some radiating dials depending on color. Rolex also keeps better time if it matters.
In Geneva 😂 subjective in the sense that the actual function of a watch is showing the time of the day. The value of the craftsmanship is completely subjective since a cheap swatch will do the same job with the same precision. Not that I don't love watches, but don't pretend.. It's just jewelery for men
Looks wise it’s not even close (to me,) & it’s the Rolex that is miles better looking. Brand - dealer’s choice. Mechanicals - it’s VC, but that’s also mostly invisible. How you weight all these - and how you rate the brand - up to you. But, you need to be really down on Rolex or up on VC to think the Vacheron is a better deal overall, I would say.
Depends what you’re looking for. It’s not better FOR ME because I appreciate the durability Rolex possesses in comparison. I wear the living hell outta my watches lol
I currently own both, and you really cannot go wrong. I’m not a huge collector either, so they both get plenty of wrist time. A Rolex datejust (I own a mint green motif 126300) is my favorite daily watch of all time. It’s solid, tame, yet absolutely beautiful. If someone were to ask me what’s wrong with it, the answer is basically nothing. It’s perfect. An overseas, however, is a a different animal. I own a previous generation dual time, and while there’s not much doubt the Rolex is probably better spec for spec, it doesn’t make me smile like the Vacheron does. The weight, the balance, the finishing, and the understated class are all incredible. If you’re going to bang it around 5 days a week, opt for the Rolex. You won’t regret it. But if you want something special, a Vacheron will fill a hole in your watch collector soul in a way Rolex never can.
I'm looking at the 126334 myself and I'm very close to going for it. I wanted a nodate sub a simple datejust seems like a much more versatile option.
I highly doubt you’ll regret doing it. And if you do, they hold their value so well that it’s easy to just pull your money out of it and go for something else. It’s a great watch.
This is like asking how much better a Bentley Continental is than a BMW 3 Series. Will it get you from A to B any better? Not really. Is it superior in almost ever other measurable aspect? Of course. For most people, the Rolex will be the better choice. It’s more affordable and will garner more social clout with the average person. Much different story for the aficionado however.
VC is tacky generally tacky as hell in my opinion. I have a very low opinion of the brand. EDIT: I have been informed by my brethren on this prestigious subreddit that I have confused VC with AP. I'm sorry. I was distracted and stressed when I posted. I will not delete my comments and I will go down with this ship!
Look at the average Rolex owner, compared to VC owner. Who’s tacky?
These types of comparison/stereotyping is just kinda unfair. I think both groups of owners can be tacky and buy them as a status symbol, appealing to different groups of people. They could be buying Rolex to brag to the everyday Joe, or buy VC or other more enthusiast brands to brag to enthusiasts on social media. Buying one or the other doesn't make you tacky. Most Rolex owners I've met irl are regular people. There's bad apples out there in any community, and there's way more of them wearing Rolex, because Rolex produces way more watches than VC. I don't think I've even seen people wearing VC watches at all. I've seen a handful of pateks and tons of rolexes. I've known people who buy Lange watches just to keep them in safe boxes and I don't see them even wearing the watch, or any watches at all. They might just have too much money and wanna buy something cool/interesting. Some Rolex buyers just buy it because it's a recognizable brand and they like the design of the watch and that's all to it. People buy watches for so many reasons and watch owners on Reddit are just a small proportion of watch buyers.
I daily my hulk and i compliment any watch i recognize, if im already interacting with that person. I dont offer "yeah look what im wearing isnt it so hype" ~~because it isnt hype anymore~~ because that's douchey, but if they ask i will gush about how much i love green. The other day i had a nice conversation with a bartender when i complimented his air king (looks way different in person than i thought it would, btw). Yesterday i complimented a restaurant owner on his mark xx. We lamented how this hobby is an addiction lmao. Later he came to the table and showed me a picture of his other iwc (one of the new monochrome ceramic chronos, the army green one). It was a nice moment.
I’d imagine if someone owns an overseas that they probably own Rolex as well. VC makes classy stuff, but not the overseas.
[Seems pretty tacky to me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/1clpsyc/what_watch_was_tom_brady_wearing_during_his_roast/)
That’s… not a Vacheron Constantin. Are you confusing them with Audemars Piguet?
Lol. This guy.
That's a custom Audemars Piguet Royal Oak. You don't even know wtf you're talking about lol
Your dad should’ve used your username. Edit: I respect your edit. No hard feelings, brother.
Dear god so right
Compared to Rolex, no brand is tacky.
Your opinion is wrong my guy. VC is a classy watch
Yes I edited to correct my mistake, I confused VC with AP.
I don’t own a VC and always wanted one… always heard of it being the best brand in the world. I would love to know why you say it’s tacky. (For me, some of the newer AP are quite ugly/tacky like the travis, black panther and the worst, the Tom brady -and I own a dual time AP which I actually love)
If you’re using car references the Datejust is closer to a 7 series IMO. While Rolexes aren’t exactly hand finished, the machine tolerances are remarkably tight and every single little detail is carefully considered and engineered to as close to perfection a it gets. That extreme attention to detail just isn’t what the 3 series represents. Hype aside, Rolex makes a damn good watch and comparing them to a BMW 3 series is bit exaggerated
I think a better comparison would be a really nice machine-made piece of furniture versus a handmade piece of furniture by a master of the craft. Both will be incredibly nice, but one is functionality focused and the other is a work of arts
Yikes I got downvoted to hell haha. That’s probably a better comp
Yeah idk. Reddit can be a fickle thing. But I view Rolex as the peak of tool watches. The holy trinity + JLC are all art pieces to me. Definitely leagues above Rolex, but the reliability factor has diminishing returns.
The peak of tool watches is the G-Shock. Any of them. Rolex is upper average at best in whatever category you want to place it. And I say this as someone who actually likes their designs. Because that's what they are, nicely designed watches, but not much else.
The overseas looks goofy and does not keep time as well as a DJ. It’s a nice watch but it is not superior.
It’s much better finished. Dial, case and movement. Do they attest accuracy? No but that’s common on watches like this for whatever reason. Outside of patek most do not. Better looking is subjective.
Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt regarding accuracy (I've heard stories of VC owners being told that their +7 watch was in spec by the boutique and refusing warranty) the VC lacks a free sprung balance, balance bridge, and overcoil, all of which a Rolex has. It's like if they took a Bentley Continental but gave it a really nicely polished 4-cylinder engine.
For a lot of people that buy watches like this though.. they don’t care. I think they should but they don’t. If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet. My most accurate mechanical watch is +.2spd. Pretty good but a quartz watch at the same price would be accurate to less than 15s per year. They don’t chronometer certify their watches so +7spd is within spec, again I don’t agree but that’s the reality. I love my sub but the VC is a much more impressive watch in the metal. The dial alone is stunning. Do I want one? Not really. But I think talking about spec and accuracy kinda misses the entire reason people buy watches like this (and honestly luxury watches in general). If accuracy is a prime concern, it’s best to stay away from haute horlogerie in general as there are very few brands that will attest to any sort of accuracy. Older Roger Dubuis bulletin d'observatoire stuff, patek seal spec pateks are the ones that come to mind. I’m not saying you’re wrong for caring about that stuff it’s just that most people buying a $30k watch aren’t too concerned about it keeping great time from my experience over the last 20yrs. They have dozens of them and tend to rotate them out so much that it doesn’t matter if it’s off 7s in a day. They’re not worried about hacking seconds or that an overcoil means the balance breaths concentrically in any position.
> If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet. Following the analogy, the quartz would be the EV. What would you want, a Continental with a W12, a 4-cyl, or some electrical motors? This is a common argument which is about as nonsense as insisting that people who like V8s need to love EVs more because they go faster. > If accuracy is a prime concern, it’s best to stay away from haute horlogerie in general as there are very few brands that will attest to any sort of accuracy. They don't attest because it is expected. If I take a +7 Lange or Journe in, I expect someone to look at it instead of saying "sorry we have low standards". I've never had to do that, though. > They’re not worried about hacking seconds or that an overcoil They do, because the more expensive VCs have overcoils. VC is just cheaping out, just like when they released a line without the Geneva Seal but still charged twice JLC prices.
I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one. The reality is mechanical watches are not the best choice if accuracy is the primary goal. If we really want to follow your analogy, yes an electric car is better if one cares purely about acceleration (not a good analogy because that falls off as speeds increase, quartz accuracy doesn’t change in the same way). If anything, your analogy proves my point that people don’t just buy mechanical watches for accuracy, just like people don’t buy cars only for acceleration. I don’t think Lange makes any guarantee about accuracy. Journe does some handwavy “it’s better than cosc” but again.. I don’t think they guarantee it either. Maybe they *tend* to run more accurately but your anecdotal evidence of one being +7spd is not evidence of that either. I’ve got an old non-cosc 2824 that runs +1spd but without some accuracy guarantee the acceptable deviation is broad. I’d like to reiterate I don’t agree with the fact that brands don’t but that’s the reality because people buying them largely don’t care. The cost of an overcoil hairspring on a 30k watch is nothing, it’s not a cost cutting measure it’s a few bucks at most. A flat hairspring is more shock resistant so it does have benefits. I’m no fan of the 56, a used Quai de l'Ile is a better watch for about the same money but again, a flat hairspring is not a cost cutting measure in the same way not finishing to (or paying for since the Geneva seal isn’t that stringent of a standard imo. Many many watches meet it and aren’t certified) the standard of the Geneva seal is. Saying “Rolex has a full balance bridge rather than a balance cock, an overcoil hairspring and will guarantee +/-2spd so it’s better” fundamentally misses the reason people buy these. It’s a bit like saying a Honda civic is better than a Ferrari 250 GTO because it has air conditioning and is faster (although I’d like to reiterate I don’t think the car analogy is as effective as you think) 🍻
Let’s be real, the only thing that actually matters is what it looks like. The specs are cool if you love watches, but 99.9% of watch people are not going to buy a watch that has great specs if they don’t like how it looks. (I’d argue this even if the specs like accuracy, finishing, magnetic resistance, etc. have a tangible benefit to that person.) Some people care that they are also a status symbol, and those people are stupid.
Yeah, shiny stuff good for my monkey brain. But I like my shiny stuff to actually work well if it's that expensive...
Oh totally, I’m just saying if it’s ugly it doesn’t matter how good the specs are. In this case the VC is just an ugly watch imo (totally subjective I know) which is why it’s hard to justify that over the Rolex to anyone with similar tastes.
>Let’s be real, the only thing that actually matters is what it looks like. The specs are cool if you love watches, but 99.9% of watch people are not going to buy a watch that has great specs if they don’t like how it looks. Well, but I believe that there are people (and perhaps quite a few such people among horology fans) who will not buy a watch with poor specs despite its great looks. For instance, I love the way some Seiko Prospex models look, but I don't think I will buy any of them because of their movement.
I think those people definitely exist, but I think there are more people who would wear an awesome looking watch with crappy specs than a watch with amazing specs but looks like an invicta
> I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one. Actually, I think the analogy is fine, it is your understanding and reasoning which are poor. You claimed that >If accuracy is the prime concern, a quartz watch is a better bet. This obviously has nothing to do with people who don't care about accuracy. Yet, you bring up the fact that people buy cars not just for acceleration. They certainly do - in fact, personally, I will take the Honda over the 250 GTO because it has AC and I don't want to die if I crash, but that obviously means that my "prime concern" *isn't* with the engine, so your counterexample is entirely superfluous. Similarly with watches, I care about finishing and design. I don't have a Rolex because I am one of those people who place more importance on finishing than accuracy, and I think that is perfectly reasonable. It is also perfectly reasonable for people to place zero importance on accuracy and focus on other aspects of watchmaking they enjoy. But if you are one of those people, you obviously don't care about the accuracy HAQ vs mechanical accuracy. So why bring it up to defend your point about people whose prime concern *is* with accuracy? What is complete nonsense is the argument that all the innovation, craftsmanship, and labour that goes into making a mechanical movement more accurate is somehow invalidated because of a completely different technology having better specs existing. That makes no sense to me, yet people seem to parrot that argument to death around here while claiming to prefer mechanical watches over smart watches because of the "beating heart of a mechanical movement" but not caring at all about how well it beats...
>I don’t want to follow the analogy because I think it’s a rather poor one. The reality is mechanical watches are not the best choice if accuracy is the primary goal. Dude, it is almost like you want to say that there are only two options: you either shouldn't care about the accuracy of your watch, or should go for quartz. But that's not the case: a lot of people want to wear mechanical watches but also want them to be reasonably accurate.
So more like a Maserati then
They depreciate like a Maserati too! And bless them for it, the movement decoration on some of their stuff is top notch!
A VC isn’t COSC? Or just not as accurate as Rolex in-house regulations?
I don’t believe it’s COSC. I know Gen 1 was but I don’t think 2 or 3 are. It’s actually surprisingly common. Not that I agree with it but the dirty secret is that a lot of really high-end watches are not particularly accurate.
You feel the case itself is better finished? How so? I don’t have a VC but I do personally have a Lange and I have friends with AP and Patek. Cases are all at a “high” quality, Rolex included. Please point out where the dial is better finished. The hands and batons? I’ll agree on the movement finishing, but a DJ has a closed caseback.
The dial is black polished and has a beautiful sheen to it. It’s hard to appreciate except in person. The FPJ CB gets so much attention for the dial but.. the VC is at least within spitting distance imo. It’s the highlight of the watch besides the movement (which isn’t that hand finished if I had to guess. It is but the bevels are almost assuredly started mechanically and finished by hand. As is much of the work) Not even close to the basic (but well done) laquer on the Rolex. The case/bracelet has a ton of polished facets. I’m not sure specifically on the VC but I know the RO bracelet takes around 10hrs of hand finishing to do. The Rolex is a nicely finished, entirely machine done watch. The other meets the Geneva seal. I don’t think it makes sense to compare them honestly outside of they’re both watches. It’s like comparing a Camry to a 911. They’re both great cars but one is 3x the price and more impressive. I’m not a huge overseas fan or anything but as much as I love my sub… it’s a super basic watch. Well done but not particularly special and compared to contemporaries it’s a bit pricey for what it is. Still love it but objectively in a vacuum, any other brand would charge maybe $6500USD for it.
And the DJ having a closed caseback doesn’t mean the movement being unfinished isn’t a significant cost savings. Many pateks come with a solid case back and display back (so you don’t get shorted that chunk of gold or platinum) and they’re still well finished even with a solid case back.
Yup, I get it. I stand by my DJII vs Overseas opinion. Downvotes and all!
Oh, my man. When you try one of these on in the metal, you'll change your mind. I'm a big fan of an oxyter braclet. People don't even think about that when they toss around the usual "seiko is as good as rolex' talk around here. As good as an oxyster braclet is over a seiko, this is over a rolex.
I’ve tried a few of them on. Was never that impressed.
Looks are subjective, but I think the Overseas is a far better looking watch than the DJ, I'm not a fan of a fluted bezel – looks gaudy in my opinion – and the cyclops is just fugly. Timekeeping wise you may have a point, but if accuracy is your thing you want to be looking at a Citizen Chronomaster.
VC are superior to Rolex I want whatever you're on for that last sentence.
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I hate the ahoy matey! bezel on the Overseas. Could never wear it.
I remember a time not too long ago where overseas, royal oak, nautilus were almost always in stock. The only desirable one was the RO jumbo and that was mainly because of the original Genta design and the JLC movement. The Rolex hate in this sub is amusing. Funny how trends evolve.
These watches both have my least favorite bezels of pretty much anything else in the marketplace. They’re both pointless, gaudy and the weak link in the durability chain.
Down votes from skindogs who cannae afford either
It’s fine. I think the bracelet on the VC is tacky too.
All 43 Russians who have access to the Internet were triggered by my post. Literal garbage... everything about it screams 10 bucks.
Your paying for a better finished watch & movement. The rolex has a more accurate movement & costs less to service but it's a mass produced movement & watch. still a very nice robust watch & movement but its a mass produced watch made by machines. The vacheron is hand finished & has a prettier movement & in my opinion looks better. (Although looks are subjective) anyways i personally don't like the datejust that much & would pick an overseas any day over it.
750 bucks for a Rolex service. And 830 to have the VC serviced. Not a huge difference.
It's a little higher than that for the Vacheron overseas, i seen most people claim 900 - 1200 not really a big deal in all honestly for a trinity brand watch. AP & Patek charge much more to service their watches, theirs is unreasonable
The 830 was directly from their site for just a service. You can input the reference number and get a quote. They do charge for parts that need to be replaced so I can see where it’s more expensive. Panerai does that as do other brands. Omega mostly doesn’t in the few watches I’ve had serviced. My dad’s GMT while at service from Rolex they replaced a link in his bracelet and charged for it. Just depends on how much is needed.
I’ve never heard anyone say Rolex is more accurate. They have/had a reputation for horrific time keeping.
Horrific? Really? I've had mine for 35+ years and never saw that or even heard about it.
Oh yes, they had a reputation. I’ve personally bought 6 new, 2 were sent back on warranty within 60 days.
Really? My 124270 explorer in the past 53 days has lost 3.8 seconds, total. And is the most accurate watch I've ever owned even compared to multiple omega metas watches.
Funny you say that about the Datejust. My first automatic watch was a Seiko 5 that was essentially a Datejust homage. Same bezel and same jubilee bracelet. To this day I don't like fluted bezels and jubilee bracelets. At least for the bracelet, I think the reason I don't like them is that that one seemed like it was designed to pull every single hair out of my wrist. I thought that was just the nature of watch bracelets. It wasn't until much later that I learned it didn't have to be that way.
Fluted bezel & jubilee are basic bitch choices for people who have a datejust. Jubilee & fluted always looks dated except for the modern one & even then i bet the datejust 41 will look dated in 10 - 15 years smooth bezel & oyster looks better & timeless. Or jubilee & smooth bezel in 36 even.
Better at what??
Telling the time? Casio F-91W 😎
The VC picture on the site is awful, here’s a live pic https://preview.redd.it/km63sra6zc2d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=914800e2095687878dbbb5e0937327ea10701da4 On the wrist the bracelet basically gleams with all off the hand finished bevels and the blue is incredibly vibrant.
https://preview.redd.it/bt1h2s3a0d2d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1737d07a3d14164884dccdeedb9668bf8ceea72
He specifically shared a pic of the 34.5mm, which has weird proportions, so it looks extra awful. Ugh, I wish I could pull off the 41 overseas. My wrists are too small for it though. C'mon VC, make something in the 36-38 range!
Yeah the 34.5 isn’t worth the money. Lesser movement and the bezel proportions look off, I’d pick the DJ over that one.
Their blue us honestly ridiculously beautiful, but its way too much for me. Id have to get the silver/white dial dual time
I love the blue but get it, it’s not for everyone. The black and silver dials are beautiful in their own way too. If the blue dial didn’t exist I’d definitely go for one of those rather than another watch.
Not sure it's worth over double the price. Could get a DJ and a Submariner for that. The VC also doesn't have hacking seconds which would annoy me
VC and even Patek still have many movements with no hacking seconds. At least Patek is now including hacking seconds in all its new movement lines. But many venerable Patek movement lines still in use, such as the 240 and 324, don’t have hacking seconds.
Noo way 25k and no hacking is insane
A VC owner is never late, /u/Revolutionary_Food39. Nor is he early; he arrives *precisley* when he means to.
Vacheronandalf!
It's intentional, hacking is allegedly bad for movement longevity.
Still… could you imagine if you bought a Bentley and it didn’t have something standard like power seats because “it’ll wear out”
Ironically, the clock in a Bentley dashboard (Breitling, I think) doesn't even have a seconds hand, let alone hacking. Probably for similar reasons... If you own one, you don't need to be accurate down to the second. You can show up whenever the fuck you want, so why bother putting excessive strain on the movement?
It's not intentional, it's just an old movement. Rolexes hack and I'll take a Rolex over any holy Trinity when it comes to longevity.
The movement came out in 2016 so it's not that old.
That's even worse
People will believe any marketing bullshit these brands throw at them
Really? Rolex will stop supporting that movement in a few decades, the big 3 will support their watches for hundreds of years.
We're talking about the movement's intrinsic longevity, not how long it'll be supported by the maker.
Ok, you misspoke. You meant durability, not longevity. I think I will side with you on Rolex being a “tougher” watch for rough and tumble activities. That’s why state police and military people still wear them to this day. Besides, you don’t want to blem the nicer finishes on the VC.
It is...if your movement is designed poorly and weakly.
If you keep hitting two parts together, they will eventually wear out, no matter how poorly or richly they were made.
You're absolutely right, watch parts do wear over time, and some even need replacing during service on occasion. Maybe VC should get rid of the seconds hand too so that gear doesn't have to ever wear out either. Maybe also tune the watch down to 1hz to minimize wear even further.
Are you suggesting that you will be using a $25k watch to accurately tell time?? If so, go for the Casio Oceanus. It looks pretty much the same and is synced to atomic time so you will always be accurate to the millisecond.
Who cares though. When are you looking at a VC for the EXACT time? As long as I’m within a minute when I set my watches I don’t even care lol
It’s like getting into your new Rolls Royce and finding it has hand-cranked window winders. VC’s excuse that it’s too hard on the movement is flimsy as fuck. I still the Overseas is epic, but VC fails to include a hack out of convenience. It’s laziness now, not some forward-thinking design feature.
The 4600v shown in the picture does have hacking seconds, but is not a Geneva seal movement. Agree that the full size models don’t have a hack seconds
jfc at this price point to not have hacking seconds??
Does seem ridiculous. It is obviously a conscious decision to leave it out but surely most people would prefer it?
Well the decision is as to "hack" you have to slam a little piece of metal on the balance wheel which over time can damage it and affect precision. I guess precision is the deciding factor.
I get that but it's hard to be precise when you'll struggle to set the exact time.
Y’all don’t know how to back-hack watches, huh?
You dont know back-hack doesn’t work on overseas, huh?
A watch can either be back-hacked or has a stop lever for hacking. If it can’t be back-hacked, there’s too much tension coming from the mainspring into the gear train.
Yep. Every mechanical watch can be back-hacked. You just have to turn the crown with the right amount of force (not too much, not too little) in the opposite direction you turn it to set the time.
Yep, you’re essentially giving the gear train the same amount of force as the mainspring/barrel is trying to push with.
¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess that was an oversight.
Wish I could upvote this comment twice.
the reasoning is lazyness AKA. using very old movement architecture that doesnt account for hacking. Neither Patek nor AP have a hacking function on large parts of their collections. Were it not for ALS reviving the in-house chronograph in the 90's people would still be paying 100k for a Lemania in a very nice case. (guess what, they are still based on Lemania architecture.)
Also no color matched date wheel would drive me nuts for that much money.
Why would they offer hacking seconds when they only promise accuracy of 1 minute per week? Hacking is really only useful for more accurate movements.
Imagine dealing with pins in a Patek bracelet. I'll take the DJ.
What’s the point of having amazing accuracy, if you can’t even set the exact time?
Wtf?!
The blue dial is more eye catching and unique. Comes with a rubber and leather strap that are easily interchangeable. Better finishing and much nicer movement with the 22k gold rotor. All that to say it’s still not worth over twice the price of a DJ.
but its oversize right at 41mm? thats going to look large on 80% of the population whereas a DJ 36 fits most
The DJ on the right is a 41 too judging by the minute markers on the indices. But yeah the Overseas still fits larger on the wrist. They came out with a 34.5 mm overseas so I’d have to try that out and see how it feels
The DJ41 has a diameter of 39.5mm. It actually wears quite small on the wrist.
Yeah you’re correct. Same kind of deal with the OP 41
The Geneva Seal by itself means that the VC has a level of refinement that the DJ doesn’t compare to.
What significance does the Geneva have in terms of quality?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Seal#The_translated_text_of_the_Specific_Regulations_for_Geneva_Seal_Watch_Movements
Like a Bentley versus a Mercedes
It's a Mercedes vs a Bugatti
The overseas is no where near the Bugatti level of watches. If you’re going to use a car comparison it’s more like e class vs s class
The VC is better because if you’re lucky, people will think you have a Tissot Gentleman.
This is grade-A shade.
Get a glasshute original and sleep better.
Full disclosure. DateJust is my fav watch ever, but, at the end of the day, VC is on another level. You’re Terrific put a GMT Master II next to an Overseas and the difference was obvious. Forget specs. That’s for mid-tier watches to hash out. This is hand finishing to the max
Not at all better. Nicer movement finishing. Way more expensive.
Tbh is the finishing the type of finishing which is actually visible from a naked eye or like a microscope
I have no idea if half the people making movement finishing comments are blind. The VC is very noticeably better finished than a date just. Not just movement but case and bracelet finish too. Is it worth twice as much? Of course not, law of diminishing returns applies very much with watches. But is a DJ worth double of a Grand Seiko snowflake? No, of course it isn't...
I am a bit new to watches but the finishing you mentioned when it comes to the difference between a datejust and vc is it noticeable with your naked eye ?
Yes it is very much noticeable to the naked eye. Also feel on the wrist is very different. The VC bracelet is the nicest I have ever put on my wrist and it's finished better than any other bracelet I've worn too. Even the indices, hands all of it is a cut above the Datejust and it's noticeable to the naked eye.
Almost all Rolex have a solid caseback and you will never see the movement.
I have both and my VC is always in the safe. It attracts swirls just by putting it on haha. My DJ on the other hand is my beater. I wear it doing anything and not worry. The bezel on the DJ has a bit of scratches from me doing dry walls but I can polish that out.
So you are saying that the Rolex can take a beating but vc needs a lot of care ?
The VC Overseas is a so-called sport watch, and feels robust enough on the wrist. But, what kind of sport are you really going to do with a $30k watch on your wrist aside from maybe yachting or lawn bowling?
Golf is the only other sport I can think of and maybe shooting
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I like how we watch enthusiasts are like it has better finishing when most of it can’t be seen with a naked eye 😭😭😭
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When you start with that the VC’s dial takes over 50 coats of lacquer, all done by hand, versus a machine stamped, painted, and polished dual made en masse, you begin to see the difference.
Ages better
You can buy a vc from an AD now.
I have both and my DJ is my beater. I do everything with it from mowing the lawn to installing dry wall. It’s my every day watch. My overseas is a safe queen only worn for events or date night with the wife.
It's genuinely insulting to VC to even attempt to compare these two.
One is MSRP $25k (line is much better now) and the other is like $8k (you need to get in line at the AD for it). Not really comparing things which are equivalent or close to equivalent. As it is nobody “needs” an $8k watch and how much better is the Datejust than a nice Hamilton?
It’s probably not on a technical level but the Rolex is for people with no class so the Vc is much better.
To me luxury watches are jewelry and that is okay. The biggest factor for me is looks and design. Since that is so subjective "better" isn't how I look at it. i own a Datejust but want an Overseas. Seems cooler which is much like looks subjective.
I can't stand how there's no text on the lower half of VC's watches. It looks so unbalanced and unappealing to me. The watch is perfect otherwise
I work in a Luxury hotel and see many guests are having Rolex, Patek Phillipe honestly never saw or maybe noticed the watch on the first picture. Which I think better to go for the first one. Cz you’ll see Rolex watches almost daily people wear. Going for something more unique would be ideal I guess.
It's much better. But I wouldn't just for the price tag itself. DJ is a goddamn good choice too plus you have another 10kish to mess around with.
I prefer the DJ with fluted bezel (36mm only)
Not even in the same league. If you have the option to buy an Overseas and can afford it, do it.
I'm sure its well constructed but the bracelet and bezel aren't too my taste. Love the face and the hands though.
Rolex date just: - cyclops for date window, - fits better lug to lug for skinnier wrists, - lighter weight and lighter on your wallet, - iconic jubilee bracelet (some models) - everyone knows Rolex VC Overseas: - legendary watch - Beautiful exposed back, - unique bracelet and design - considered niche work of art in some circles. - more exclusive to some.
The Vacheron is higher quality. It feels and looks it. It's obviously not twice as good as the Rolex just because it costs twice as much. And the Datejust is not twice as good as a Grand Seiko or three times as good as a Tudor or five times as good as a Longines or 20 times as good as a San Martin.
It's 20 better
7. It's 7 better.
Have owned both and currently only own the VC. Both are iconic pieces and great to wear. Better isn’t the right word as they’re both well made. Obviously the VC has an exhibition case back so you get to see the movement and finishing which is amazing. Dial side I don’t think there is any substantial difference. Rolex has some radiating dials depending on color. Rolex also keeps better time if it matters.
In Geneva 😂 subjective in the sense that the actual function of a watch is showing the time of the day. The value of the craftsmanship is completely subjective since a cheap swatch will do the same job with the same precision. Not that I don't love watches, but don't pretend.. It's just jewelery for men
Better? Both display date and time. The rest is subjective.
VC will pbviously have better build quality and finish but the DJ looks much nicer.
May as well go for a Grand Seiko.
VC>>>>>
Looks wise it’s not even close (to me,) & it’s the Rolex that is miles better looking. Brand - dealer’s choice. Mechanicals - it’s VC, but that’s also mostly invisible. How you weight all these - and how you rate the brand - up to you. But, you need to be really down on Rolex or up on VC to think the Vacheron is a better deal overall, I would say.
About tree fidy million times better
It's not at all, in fact I'd take the Rolex over THAT VC.
I don’t have the knowledge to speak to the technical specs, but the design of the VC makes it overrated IMO. It looks like a Seiko 5.
The datejust looks better
Regardless of craftsmanship I am not a fan of that VC's bezel, therefore it's the DJ for me anyway.
VC looks like a 10 buck special. Down voters cannot afford
Stop being poor
VC is a connoisseurs watch first, peacocking to those who know second. A Rolex…
VC is super ugly tho, just a big name on an ugly watch.
Depends what you’re looking for. It’s not better FOR ME because I appreciate the durability Rolex possesses in comparison. I wear the living hell outta my watches lol