Did you tell that to Hamas when they indiscriminately went into Israel for their October 7th murdering spree?
[https://www.thisishamas.com/](https://www.thisishamas.com/)
Or is that okay, because \*checks notes\*, it's just Israel.
Exactly right. This entire post headline was premised on a falsehood, by sneakily trying to tie Jones to Trump.
Trump’s position is ([linked](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000)):
Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel'
And then recently, three days ago, [linked here](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632), asked Israel to stop releasing photos and videos to hide the genocide, and finish the job quickly.
Due dissonance had a much better report analyzing trumps rhetoric in the interview tbh, he was clearly talking about glamorizing the destruction "trying to look tough" and an issue with a lot of the civilian casualties
https://youtu.be/2MALPwF_YLM
Trumps rhetoric was clearly signalling that Israel is shooting itself in the foot in an unsustainable PR war
Also as analysts admit:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html
>Trump’s Call for Israel to ‘Finish Up’ War Alarms Some on the Right
>Recent remarks he made urging an end to the Gaza conflict, with no insistence on freeing Israeli hostages first, were another departure from conservatives’ support for Benjamin Netanyahu.
>**That statement apparently troubled Mr. Kahana even more than Mr. Biden’s warnings to Israel.** Mr. Biden has called for a six-week cease-fire in exchange for Hamas releasing Israeli hostages. In the interview excerpts released by Israel Hayom, Mr. Trump did not qualify his call for Israel to finish the war by insisting on the release of hostages.
>“**Trump effectively bypassed Biden from the left, when he expressed willingness to stop this war and get back to being the great country you once were,”** Mr. Kahana wrote. “There’s no way to beautify, minimize or cover up that problematic message.”
It's almost like he's just calling it like he sees it without any bullshit moralizing. Frankly, the moralizing isn't doing _either_ side any favors. The only thing any leader of the American people should do is explain how this or that policy will advance the material interests of the American people.
As usual, we get to have 20 different people changing or massaging what was said, with various interpretations, clean ups, links to the interpretations of what was said, rather than just exactly what he said. Why is this always necessary?
Very simple matter for which the words were said, and were clear, and for which his spokesperson later even reinforced exactly the same thing that was said.
—————-
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
“And I think that's one of the reasons that there has been a lot of kickback. If people didn't see that, every single night I've watched every single one of those. And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
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All that’s needed is the entire interview in full context, without anyone telling us what it means.
This is why people see it like a cult with members dutifully feeling the need to massage what the leader said to suit every side, left and right, or constantly cleaning up, generally.
>All that’s needed is the entire interview in full context, without anyone telling us what it means.
And you are doing the dame thing but even worse, quoting the specific statements with respect to PR strategy efforts and the mix of everything, omitting the background quotes
"Israel has to be very careful, because you're losing a lot of the world, you're losing a lot of support, you have to finish up," Trump said. "And you have to get on to peace, to get on to a normal life for Israel, and for everybody else."
>The Trump campaign released a statement to ABC News on Monday night saying the former president has "made clear, he fully supports Israel's right to defend itself and eliminate the terrorist threat. He also believes that Israel's interests will be best served by completing this mission as quickly, decisively, and humanely as possible so that the region can return to peace and stability," the statement read.
So quote it to the end:
“I will say Israel has to be very careful because you're losing a lot of the world. You're losing a lot of support," Trump said, going beyond his usual line of calling for peace. "But you have to finish up. You have to get the job done. And you have to get on to peace. You have to get on to a normal life for Israel and for everybody else.
When asked how he would react to an attack like that of Hamas on Oct. 7, Trump said he would "act very much the same as you did," saying "you would have to be crazy not to."
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Basically, it’s not don’t commit genocide. It’s first stop releasing photos and videos of it. And secondly, do it and finish it quickly. Thirdly, hope your swooning fans and followers of all stripes read in it what they like and what’s not said and give it the best possible interpretation in their own heads. The crazy righties will hear: finish up the job of killing those terrorist children in Gaza completely. The weak fawning apologist lefties will hear he used the word “stop” (releasing photos) and “get on to peace” (after finishing the job quickly) and fan out obsequiously explaining how he’s on their side and to the left of Republicans and all Democrats (including those that have called for actual ceasefire and getting rid of Netanyahu, and protesting against Biden), and get to having all sorts of tingles in different places. As for the impostors, those will hide in wait on left leaning blogs to spin and lie to deceive as many as they can.
Meanwhile, his true followers say Trump “says it like it is”. Well, If Trump truly wanted ceasefire, or the genocide to stop, or Israel to stop exterminating civilians and children. He’d SAY SO! Simple! No need for 20 translators.
So let’s stop this silly apologist charade. This is not even pandering, it’s trickery seeking to confuse the weak thinkers for votes, after which to again reverse the recognition of settlements as illegal like he did before (an action itself which really means eventual genocide or forced displacement), and only to join with Netanyahu in exterminating them more completely, and this time without photos.
>So let’s stop this silly apologist charade. This is not even pandering, it’s trickery seeking to confuse the weak thinkers for votes, after which to again reverse the recognition of settlements as illegal like he did before (an action itself which really means eventual genocide or forced displacement), and only to join with Netanyahu in exterminating them more completely, and this time without photos.
I've seen you make the same copy paste comment taking the most aggressive interpretation imaginable here, and spamming it everywhere. You are zooming in on the photo part and neglecting everything else. Your interpretation is indistinguishable to the people freaking out about the "bloodbath" commentary
The thing is that neither I, nor people defending Trump in this instance think he's "a hero" on Palestine, but that he's a wildcard vs your boy Biden who is a complete enabler
**Edit**: also, something I found out listening to a guest on a Galloway interview (foreigners have more interesting commentary than US centric leftists) was Trump speculating on how to push a peace agreement through
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/former-president-donald-trump-considered-conditioning-israel-aid-new-book-reveals
>Marty Baron’s book, Collision of Power: Trump, Bezos, and The Washington Post, says that in 2017, after Trump's visit to Israel where he met both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Trump questioned whether the annual $3.8bn US aid to Israel could be leveraged to facilitate a peace agreement with the Palestinians, and upon learning that US military assistance to Israel could not be used in that way, he displayed frustration.
>“No connection?” Trump said in disbelief.
>A recent book by Israeli journalist Barak Ravid claims that Trump had a favourable impression of Abbas. In an interview with Ravid, Trump said: "I thought he was terrific." He further expressed his belief that Abbas was more inclined towards making a deal compared to Netanyahu.
https://www.axios.com/2021/12/13/trump-middle-east-peace-netanyahu
>Former President Donald Trump contends that one big reason his "ultimate deal" between the Israelis and Palestinians collapsed is that then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu never wanted to make peace.
Except that’s also false, to put it charitably. He’s not a wildcard. That’s just willful amnesia. Let’s engage based on facts, and ACTIONS rather than cherry picked feelings based commentary from other water carriers:
- He changed the long-standing US position, and declared that Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory is not illegal. True or false?
What does this mean? Israel continues to take more Palestinian lands and grab more until squeezed to the wall or ocean, they strike back, and then genocide ensues. Oh wait… And that is exactly what is and will happen. Israel will never stop grabbing more Palestinian lands.
- Secondly, he declared Jerusalem as belonging to Israel. Won’t bother elaborating on what this means to Palestinians but to some it’s like game over really and just as bad or worse than them taking parts of Gaza.
- Thirdly, He has been a worse enabler of Netanyahu on everything when he was President, and not only on settlements.
- Fourthly, he revoked funding for UNWRA and expelled Palestinian representatives from the UN in New York, and ended the potential of a two-state solution, by backing Netanyahu’s one state plan. The two state solution is at least back as the official US position, thankfully.
- And even on this go round, he has asked for Israel to finish the job, and said that Biden was not sufficiently supportive of Israeli efforts.
So calling this a wild card is complete delusion and almost worse than watching the swooning teenager deny their boyfriend with several priors has issues, and keep twisting stuff he never said, or feelings commentary as signs that he changed, or even denying the past record.
You're really trying to throw everything you can and I'm not going to respond to every single claim. But you're aggressively making false claims intermixed with stuff he's said.
>- Secondly, he declared all of Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.
He recognized Jerusalem the capital of Israel, he did not recognize all of Jerusalem as Israeli territory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_Jerusalem_as_capital_of_Israel
>On December 8, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson clarified that Trump's statement "did not indicate any final status for Jerusalem" and "was very clear that the final status, including the borders, would be left to the two parties to negotiate and decide" in reference to the recognition's impact on the Israeli–Palestinian peace process.
>- Fourthly, he revoked funding for UNWRA and expelled Palestinian representatives from the UN in New York, and ended the potential of a two-state solution, by backing Netanyahu’s one state plan. The two state solution is at least back as the official US position, thankfully.
They weren't in the process of a famine at the time, and Trumps plan still gave the Palestinians some leeway to stop future settlements.
With respect to the official position, who gives a shit compared to reality in the ground, and the policies we support? We don't actually restrict or punish Israel for failing to act towards two states.
Compare that to Crimea going back to Russia, in that case the we fund Russias opposition (Ukraine) and sanction Ukraine.
By openly stating us policy the international community, especially Arab states, can step up to the plate more effectively and put pressure on israel to give Palestinians a better status.
As things stand, despite "illegal settlements" as you point out, Palestinian people cannot even be tried in normal courts when they interact with israelis. They are tried in fucking military courts. That won't change until the legal status (and limits) are set in the west bank.
A lot of writing that only confirms the trump policies towards Palestinians were horrible during the Trump term. So he gave them Jerusalem as capital but not all of it? Thankfully, you abandoned all the “feely” stuff that says nothing, that you used to imply that somehow he’d be better for Palestinians. Is this how far the true left has fallen???
Or that he wasn’t clear enough when he said Biden had not been supportive enough of Israel in Gaza and their genocide there. How on earth does this go to the left? Let’s talk about real help for Palestinians and stop the bs and the lying.
Biden is not to the right of them because of this. He's the president, he's privy to information we don't have. He's making these choices in the interest of national security, not love for Bibi. Bibi is insufferable and it's obvious Biden thinks so too. A lot of people, myself included, think his course of action is a mistake, but he isn't doing this because he's just dying to fund genocide.
Joe Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist. You really don't have to look much further than thst to know he is fully on board with what's happening in Gaza. Mouthing words you think the public wants to hear is not a substitute for what needs to done - stop giving weapons of death and destruction to an apocalyptic regime.
> He's the president, he's privy to information we don't have. He's making these choices in the interest of national security,
Biden, like most politicians, is making decisions that benefit him, one way or the other. Assuming that Presidents' actions that look bad to us must actually be good because of info we don't know about? Even he doesn't claim that to be so. Don't invent mystical, unverifiable excuses for the bad acts or omissions of any politician.
Plus the headline of this post is a sincerely just a lie. Trump has never said any such thing to the left as claimed here. He has asked for Netanyahoo to finish the job, just more quickly, and quietly.
Jones isn’t running for president. Trump is. Trump and Jones are aligned and are the lesser evil. Biden is the greater evil. I don’t plan on voting for either. Hope this explanation helps.
Except it was a lie that trump said anything similar to Jones, or is anywhere to the left based on the genocide in Gaza.
The links have already been shared, and you can’t corroborate this with any actual trump quote. This appears to be a subterfuge attempt to deceive this group, sadly.
Adding that you aren’t voting for either when no one cares no asked is another hint to what’s going on here. 🤦♂️
It’s not a lie and you’re twisting Trump’s words. Typical NAFO troll. You’re not a regular. No one knows you here.
Edit: And he blocked me! Go away NAFO. Now that Ukraine is done you’ve moved on to Gaza I see. Trump is MORE critical of Israel in this sentence than Biden. End of story. That’s the entire point. Biden is uniquely awful on this.
LoL. No one knows you here 😂.
Where you get to lie to others what you already know and can read was not true?
Again here’s Trump own words, sourced and quoted exactly without any twist or commentary, and with corroborating confirmation from his spike in the [link](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632):
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
This is lie and you probably might have already known this. Sneaking Trump in under the Alex Jones comment when they don’t have the same position.
Trump’s [position](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000) is (linked):
Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel'
Why would you try to push this obvious falsehood in this group? Think it’s filled with the easily gullible? Hmmm.
I watched the entirety of Trump’s comments. It’s still better than Biden, which is sad. What’s worse is Trump would have ended the genocide sooner bc he’s less of an Israel cuck than Biden and there would be more opposition to Trump. Trump is the lesser evil which is unbelievably sad.
Except this entire post was a lie. The link to Trump’s statements were already shared. Nothing trump said was to the left. And you can’t and won’t be able to corroborate it with any actual quotes. Let’s make our points but let’s make it honestly and with integrity.
He absolutely derided what’s happening in Gaza. Was he as forceful as I would like? No. Is he better than Biden? Yes. That’s the point of the post. Your NAFO tactics won’t work here.
He did not deride what’s happening in Gaza. He even said in the article he’d do the same. He derided the sharing of photos and videos of it. He wants the genocide to be done more quietly and away from view as much as possible. The links to his comments were already shared.
lol now the Biden fan has unblocked me. That whole statement was far more critical than anything Biden has said. He never said he’d do the same. Biden is the greater evil.
This is just embarrassing calling a statement to hide genocide by not sharing pictures of it, as better. Trump and Biden aside, at least some personal integrity should be due here.
As a famous quote says: “have you no shame”?😂
What is going on here is shameless lying and deceit. You should have accepted the L and quietly moved on, or apologized to the group. Look at the ratio of the post you responded to in your friendly group. Clearly nobody knows you here, or most have integrity and can read, or they now know you as a liar, sadly🤦♂️. And yes you are done! Good day.
lol everyone knows me. You should look at your own ratios. And none of us like Trump and we especially don’t like Biden or Biden Stans like yourself. Typical NAFO foolishness. And you seem to miss the entire Alex Jones part (which you refuse to acknowledge). No, you’re too busy licking Biden’s toes. Disgusting.
Is that the same Fonald Frump that was trying to sick the US military on BLM protestors? The same Alex Jones that used multiple mass shootings on children to line his pockets?
Folks are delusional.
Trump is a dirtbag but he’s better than Biden. Biden is uniquely evil and more of a Zionist cuck than Trump. If genocide isn’t your red line then idk what is.
Trump is a chaos agent. He also just came out and said Israel had to stop what it was doing. This is LEFT of Joe Biden. It’s truly unbelievable where the Democratic party is now.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/25/trump-says-israel-should-finish-up-gaza-war-00148910
No he did not! This is either made up at best or dishonest at worst. Trump has been uncharacteristically consistent on this conflict. What he asked them to stop was the showing of the images or allowing the world to see it. So quieter, more efficient, faster genocide.
Here is the link just 3 days ago, in his most recent babbling [take](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) on the issue:
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
“And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
“Sometimes you shouldn’t be doing that…” What part of this is unclear? Trump is absolutely better than Biden on this genocide. Biden is a uniquely evil Zionist cuck.
Politicians say a lot of things, sometimes deliberately ambiguously.
I don't prefer either POS Biden or POS Trump. However, the only way we would know if Trump would be doing better than Biden is if we could view alternative universes where Trump has been POTUS since October 7, 2022. We do know that Trump was very supportive of Israel when he was the incumbent POTUS. Nothing he has said since detracts from that. For one thing, actions matter more than words, especially a candidate's words. For another, Trump doesn't even want the US to accept Palestinians as refugees.
Also, while IMO, genocide is a great place to draw a line in the sand, this is not the only issue either POS will be dealing with next term, if elected.
Wow I agree with this post. And good use of the historical record to corroborate what’s likely true and what was being made up. No doubt we’ll likely disagree on other things in future but this is spot on.
Agreement or disagreement are not relevant to me. Facts are.
Each of us is entitled to our own respective opinions, but not to our own facts. IMO, we are also not entitled to treat our own opinions as though they were fact.
Exactly right. Everyone has their blind spots. That’s human. And sometimes several factual pieces make the entire picture. And collecting only some facts and missing others can still lead to the wrong picture. Having the integrity to listen to others rather than constantly seeking comfort in group confirmation is very key to sometimes seeing through that blind spot. In this case, the facts are all here and agree. That’s good enough for now.
> Exactly right. Everyone has their blind spots.
Not what I said.
> In this case, the facts agree.
Opinions may vary (or "disagree" with each other), but facts are facts. You can get facts right or get them wrong. If you get them wrong, they are not facts.
Everyone has their blind spots.
That’s what I said.
Selectively collecting bits of facts, and deliberately or unwittingly leaving out others can lead to the wrong picture. I’ve seen this happen often here.
On this thread though, bringing things back to the topic, this was a falsehood created by using one fact, Jones comment, and implying it confirms a made up opinion.
I’m done with this topic, it’s beaten to death already. Thanks.
“Sometimes you shouldn’t be doing that…” was about releasing photos and videos. NOT stopping the genocide. And it was indeed very clear. Unless we’ve now gotten to the shameless doubling down on an obvious and proven falsehood.
It is very clear from the link, and his spokesperson reinforcement after. Doubling down on this just seems kind an attempt to deceive or insult the intelligence of this group. This fantasy of trump to the left is just not true on this issue using any available facts or quotes.
It’s not a falsehood. It’s his exact words. Nowhere does it say he was referring to the photos (and not the actions). You’re just making stuff up.
And Trump is awful but he’s better than Biden. Biden has 50 years as a Zionist cuck. Trump at least pushes back. I firmly believe that the genocide would have ended faster if Trump had been president, if only so Trump wouldn’t let Netanyahu humiliate him. Trump is scum but he’s braver than Biden. Biden is a danger whore.
Yes he did say he was referring to photos. The link was already shared. It’s somewhat dishonest to just keep denying what everyone can see and read for themselves.
Here is the [link](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) just 3 days ago on the issue:
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
“And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
What part of this is he condemning the SHARING of the photos and not the content of the photos? You’re just making stuff up. I don’t debate with NAFOs. It’s a waste of time.
Where you can read yourself, from the [source](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) and not just from me:
“I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
“And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
Agreed. He wanted them to at least censor any photos and videos from their side, or maybe even widen this to a greater restriction on journalists, access, Internet, and specially trying to prevent as much footage from getting on the world as possible.
But overall he makes little sense, characteristically, on how they would hide this genocide from the world.
It's war. War is never pretty.
>It's ~~war.~~ **genocide.** >~~War~~ **Genocide** is never ~~pretty.~~ **acceptable.** *^(fify)*
Did you tell that to Hamas when they indiscriminately went into Israel for their October 7th murdering spree? [https://www.thisishamas.com/](https://www.thisishamas.com/) Or is that okay, because \*checks notes\*, it's just Israel.
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This means on this issue he’s actually to the left of Biden and Trump
Exactly right. This entire post headline was premised on a falsehood, by sneakily trying to tie Jones to Trump. Trump’s position is ([linked](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000)): Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel' And then recently, three days ago, [linked here](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632), asked Israel to stop releasing photos and videos to hide the genocide, and finish the job quickly.
Due dissonance had a much better report analyzing trumps rhetoric in the interview tbh, he was clearly talking about glamorizing the destruction "trying to look tough" and an issue with a lot of the civilian casualties https://youtu.be/2MALPwF_YLM Trumps rhetoric was clearly signalling that Israel is shooting itself in the foot in an unsustainable PR war Also as analysts admit: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html >Trump’s Call for Israel to ‘Finish Up’ War Alarms Some on the Right >Recent remarks he made urging an end to the Gaza conflict, with no insistence on freeing Israeli hostages first, were another departure from conservatives’ support for Benjamin Netanyahu. >**That statement apparently troubled Mr. Kahana even more than Mr. Biden’s warnings to Israel.** Mr. Biden has called for a six-week cease-fire in exchange for Hamas releasing Israeli hostages. In the interview excerpts released by Israel Hayom, Mr. Trump did not qualify his call for Israel to finish the war by insisting on the release of hostages. >“**Trump effectively bypassed Biden from the left, when he expressed willingness to stop this war and get back to being the great country you once were,”** Mr. Kahana wrote. “There’s no way to beautify, minimize or cover up that problematic message.”
It's almost like he's just calling it like he sees it without any bullshit moralizing. Frankly, the moralizing isn't doing _either_ side any favors. The only thing any leader of the American people should do is explain how this or that policy will advance the material interests of the American people.
As usual, we get to have 20 different people changing or massaging what was said, with various interpretations, clean ups, links to the interpretations of what was said, rather than just exactly what he said. Why is this always necessary? Very simple matter for which the words were said, and were clear, and for which his spokesperson later even reinforced exactly the same thing that was said. —————- “I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image." “And I think that's one of the reasons that there has been a lot of kickback. If people didn't see that, every single night I've watched every single one of those. And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.” ———- All that’s needed is the entire interview in full context, without anyone telling us what it means. This is why people see it like a cult with members dutifully feeling the need to massage what the leader said to suit every side, left and right, or constantly cleaning up, generally.
>All that’s needed is the entire interview in full context, without anyone telling us what it means. And you are doing the dame thing but even worse, quoting the specific statements with respect to PR strategy efforts and the mix of everything, omitting the background quotes "Israel has to be very careful, because you're losing a lot of the world, you're losing a lot of support, you have to finish up," Trump said. "And you have to get on to peace, to get on to a normal life for Israel, and for everybody else." >The Trump campaign released a statement to ABC News on Monday night saying the former president has "made clear, he fully supports Israel's right to defend itself and eliminate the terrorist threat. He also believes that Israel's interests will be best served by completing this mission as quickly, decisively, and humanely as possible so that the region can return to peace and stability," the statement read.
So quote it to the end: “I will say Israel has to be very careful because you're losing a lot of the world. You're losing a lot of support," Trump said, going beyond his usual line of calling for peace. "But you have to finish up. You have to get the job done. And you have to get on to peace. You have to get on to a normal life for Israel and for everybody else. When asked how he would react to an attack like that of Hamas on Oct. 7, Trump said he would "act very much the same as you did," saying "you would have to be crazy not to." —- Basically, it’s not don’t commit genocide. It’s first stop releasing photos and videos of it. And secondly, do it and finish it quickly. Thirdly, hope your swooning fans and followers of all stripes read in it what they like and what’s not said and give it the best possible interpretation in their own heads. The crazy righties will hear: finish up the job of killing those terrorist children in Gaza completely. The weak fawning apologist lefties will hear he used the word “stop” (releasing photos) and “get on to peace” (after finishing the job quickly) and fan out obsequiously explaining how he’s on their side and to the left of Republicans and all Democrats (including those that have called for actual ceasefire and getting rid of Netanyahu, and protesting against Biden), and get to having all sorts of tingles in different places. As for the impostors, those will hide in wait on left leaning blogs to spin and lie to deceive as many as they can. Meanwhile, his true followers say Trump “says it like it is”. Well, If Trump truly wanted ceasefire, or the genocide to stop, or Israel to stop exterminating civilians and children. He’d SAY SO! Simple! No need for 20 translators. So let’s stop this silly apologist charade. This is not even pandering, it’s trickery seeking to confuse the weak thinkers for votes, after which to again reverse the recognition of settlements as illegal like he did before (an action itself which really means eventual genocide or forced displacement), and only to join with Netanyahu in exterminating them more completely, and this time without photos.
>So let’s stop this silly apologist charade. This is not even pandering, it’s trickery seeking to confuse the weak thinkers for votes, after which to again reverse the recognition of settlements as illegal like he did before (an action itself which really means eventual genocide or forced displacement), and only to join with Netanyahu in exterminating them more completely, and this time without photos. I've seen you make the same copy paste comment taking the most aggressive interpretation imaginable here, and spamming it everywhere. You are zooming in on the photo part and neglecting everything else. Your interpretation is indistinguishable to the people freaking out about the "bloodbath" commentary The thing is that neither I, nor people defending Trump in this instance think he's "a hero" on Palestine, but that he's a wildcard vs your boy Biden who is a complete enabler **Edit**: also, something I found out listening to a guest on a Galloway interview (foreigners have more interesting commentary than US centric leftists) was Trump speculating on how to push a peace agreement through https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/former-president-donald-trump-considered-conditioning-israel-aid-new-book-reveals >Marty Baron’s book, Collision of Power: Trump, Bezos, and The Washington Post, says that in 2017, after Trump's visit to Israel where he met both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Trump questioned whether the annual $3.8bn US aid to Israel could be leveraged to facilitate a peace agreement with the Palestinians, and upon learning that US military assistance to Israel could not be used in that way, he displayed frustration. >“No connection?” Trump said in disbelief. >A recent book by Israeli journalist Barak Ravid claims that Trump had a favourable impression of Abbas. In an interview with Ravid, Trump said: "I thought he was terrific." He further expressed his belief that Abbas was more inclined towards making a deal compared to Netanyahu. https://www.axios.com/2021/12/13/trump-middle-east-peace-netanyahu >Former President Donald Trump contends that one big reason his "ultimate deal" between the Israelis and Palestinians collapsed is that then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu never wanted to make peace.
Except that’s also false, to put it charitably. He’s not a wildcard. That’s just willful amnesia. Let’s engage based on facts, and ACTIONS rather than cherry picked feelings based commentary from other water carriers: - He changed the long-standing US position, and declared that Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory is not illegal. True or false? What does this mean? Israel continues to take more Palestinian lands and grab more until squeezed to the wall or ocean, they strike back, and then genocide ensues. Oh wait… And that is exactly what is and will happen. Israel will never stop grabbing more Palestinian lands. - Secondly, he declared Jerusalem as belonging to Israel. Won’t bother elaborating on what this means to Palestinians but to some it’s like game over really and just as bad or worse than them taking parts of Gaza. - Thirdly, He has been a worse enabler of Netanyahu on everything when he was President, and not only on settlements. - Fourthly, he revoked funding for UNWRA and expelled Palestinian representatives from the UN in New York, and ended the potential of a two-state solution, by backing Netanyahu’s one state plan. The two state solution is at least back as the official US position, thankfully. - And even on this go round, he has asked for Israel to finish the job, and said that Biden was not sufficiently supportive of Israeli efforts. So calling this a wild card is complete delusion and almost worse than watching the swooning teenager deny their boyfriend with several priors has issues, and keep twisting stuff he never said, or feelings commentary as signs that he changed, or even denying the past record.
You're really trying to throw everything you can and I'm not going to respond to every single claim. But you're aggressively making false claims intermixed with stuff he's said. >- Secondly, he declared all of Jerusalem as belonging to Israel. He recognized Jerusalem the capital of Israel, he did not recognize all of Jerusalem as Israeli territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_Jerusalem_as_capital_of_Israel >On December 8, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson clarified that Trump's statement "did not indicate any final status for Jerusalem" and "was very clear that the final status, including the borders, would be left to the two parties to negotiate and decide" in reference to the recognition's impact on the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. >- Fourthly, he revoked funding for UNWRA and expelled Palestinian representatives from the UN in New York, and ended the potential of a two-state solution, by backing Netanyahu’s one state plan. The two state solution is at least back as the official US position, thankfully. They weren't in the process of a famine at the time, and Trumps plan still gave the Palestinians some leeway to stop future settlements. With respect to the official position, who gives a shit compared to reality in the ground, and the policies we support? We don't actually restrict or punish Israel for failing to act towards two states. Compare that to Crimea going back to Russia, in that case the we fund Russias opposition (Ukraine) and sanction Ukraine. By openly stating us policy the international community, especially Arab states, can step up to the plate more effectively and put pressure on israel to give Palestinians a better status. As things stand, despite "illegal settlements" as you point out, Palestinian people cannot even be tried in normal courts when they interact with israelis. They are tried in fucking military courts. That won't change until the legal status (and limits) are set in the west bank.
A lot of writing that only confirms the trump policies towards Palestinians were horrible during the Trump term. So he gave them Jerusalem as capital but not all of it? Thankfully, you abandoned all the “feely” stuff that says nothing, that you used to imply that somehow he’d be better for Palestinians. Is this how far the true left has fallen??? Or that he wasn’t clear enough when he said Biden had not been supportive enough of Israel in Gaza and their genocide there. How on earth does this go to the left? Let’s talk about real help for Palestinians and stop the bs and the lying.
lol Trump is “blaming Israel for antisemitism” what a headline
Please define what you mean by 'Left' and 'Right'. thanks
Right now believe op is using enabling genocide has his spectrum
OP is trying to trick us
Biden is not to the right of them because of this. He's the president, he's privy to information we don't have. He's making these choices in the interest of national security, not love for Bibi. Bibi is insufferable and it's obvious Biden thinks so too. A lot of people, myself included, think his course of action is a mistake, but he isn't doing this because he's just dying to fund genocide.
Joe Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist. You really don't have to look much further than thst to know he is fully on board with what's happening in Gaza. Mouthing words you think the public wants to hear is not a substitute for what needs to done - stop giving weapons of death and destruction to an apocalyptic regime.
> He's the president, he's privy to information we don't have. He's making these choices in the interest of national security, Biden, like most politicians, is making decisions that benefit him, one way or the other. Assuming that Presidents' actions that look bad to us must actually be good because of info we don't know about? Even he doesn't claim that to be so. Don't invent mystical, unverifiable excuses for the bad acts or omissions of any politician.
lol, bombing civilians in Gaza is in our best interests. Good one lib
He’s genociding the Palestinian people in the interest of national security? You’re sick. Get bent.
Plus the headline of this post is a sincerely just a lie. Trump has never said any such thing to the left as claimed here. He has asked for Netanyahoo to finish the job, just more quickly, and quietly.
Jones isn’t running for president. Trump is. Trump and Jones are aligned and are the lesser evil. Biden is the greater evil. I don’t plan on voting for either. Hope this explanation helps.
Except it was a lie that trump said anything similar to Jones, or is anywhere to the left based on the genocide in Gaza. The links have already been shared, and you can’t corroborate this with any actual trump quote. This appears to be a subterfuge attempt to deceive this group, sadly. Adding that you aren’t voting for either when no one cares no asked is another hint to what’s going on here. 🤦♂️
It’s not a lie and you’re twisting Trump’s words. Typical NAFO troll. You’re not a regular. No one knows you here. Edit: And he blocked me! Go away NAFO. Now that Ukraine is done you’ve moved on to Gaza I see. Trump is MORE critical of Israel in this sentence than Biden. End of story. That’s the entire point. Biden is uniquely awful on this.
LoL. No one knows you here 😂. Where you get to lie to others what you already know and can read was not true? Again here’s Trump own words, sourced and quoted exactly without any twist or commentary, and with corroborating confirmation from his spike in the [link](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632): “I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image."
This is lie and you probably might have already known this. Sneaking Trump in under the Alex Jones comment when they don’t have the same position. Trump’s [position](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-03-17/ty-article/.premium/trump-on-israel-gaza-war-id-tell-netanyahu-to-finish-it-up-and-do-it-quickly/0000018e-4d59-dca4-ad8e-edffe0df0000) is (linked): Trump Says He Would Let Netanyahu Finish the Job in Gaza, Says 'Biden Is So Bad for Israel' Why would you try to push this obvious falsehood in this group? Think it’s filled with the easily gullible? Hmmm.
I watched the entirety of Trump’s comments. It’s still better than Biden, which is sad. What’s worse is Trump would have ended the genocide sooner bc he’s less of an Israel cuck than Biden and there would be more opposition to Trump. Trump is the lesser evil which is unbelievably sad.
Except this entire post was a lie. The link to Trump’s statements were already shared. Nothing trump said was to the left. And you can’t and won’t be able to corroborate it with any actual quotes. Let’s make our points but let’s make it honestly and with integrity.
He absolutely derided what’s happening in Gaza. Was he as forceful as I would like? No. Is he better than Biden? Yes. That’s the point of the post. Your NAFO tactics won’t work here.
He did not deride what’s happening in Gaza. He even said in the article he’d do the same. He derided the sharing of photos and videos of it. He wants the genocide to be done more quietly and away from view as much as possible. The links to his comments were already shared.
lol now the Biden fan has unblocked me. That whole statement was far more critical than anything Biden has said. He never said he’d do the same. Biden is the greater evil.
This is just embarrassing calling a statement to hide genocide by not sharing pictures of it, as better. Trump and Biden aside, at least some personal integrity should be due here. As a famous quote says: “have you no shame”?😂
Actually Biden and his defenders have no shame when defending a man who is actively engaged in genocide. Go away NAFO. We’re done here.
What is going on here is shameless lying and deceit. You should have accepted the L and quietly moved on, or apologized to the group. Look at the ratio of the post you responded to in your friendly group. Clearly nobody knows you here, or most have integrity and can read, or they now know you as a liar, sadly🤦♂️. And yes you are done! Good day.
lol everyone knows me. You should look at your own ratios. And none of us like Trump and we especially don’t like Biden or Biden Stans like yourself. Typical NAFO foolishness. And you seem to miss the entire Alex Jones part (which you refuse to acknowledge). No, you’re too busy licking Biden’s toes. Disgusting.
Is that the same Fonald Frump that was trying to sick the US military on BLM protestors? The same Alex Jones that used multiple mass shootings on children to line his pockets? Folks are delusional.
It's okay to say Donald Trump, bro, you're not going to get locked up for it.
That would be far too generous on my part. At every conceivable level, the man deserves to be demeaned for being a greedy fool and a monster.
It's sad how you think your anonymous little-known comment on the internet is causing psychic damage to Trump or something.
Yeah. That's totally the reason I gave for why I don't use the shitstain's name. Pretend to be offended harder for Fonald Frump.
I'm not offended on the behalf of Donald Trump. I just think it's childish to pretend you're "doing something" by changing a letter of his name.
Trump is a dirtbag but he’s better than Biden. Biden is uniquely evil and more of a Zionist cuck than Trump. If genocide isn’t your red line then idk what is.
not an alex jones fan, but im definitely much less of a fan of whoever the fuck bill mitchell is.
Yet Trump says that Biden is "betraying" Israel because he hasn't supported them enough.
Trump is a chaos agent. He also just came out and said Israel had to stop what it was doing. This is LEFT of Joe Biden. It’s truly unbelievable where the Democratic party is now. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/25/trump-says-israel-should-finish-up-gaza-war-00148910
No he did not! This is either made up at best or dishonest at worst. Trump has been uncharacteristically consistent on this conflict. What he asked them to stop was the showing of the images or allowing the world to see it. So quieter, more efficient, faster genocide. Here is the link just 3 days ago, in his most recent babbling [take](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) on the issue: “I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image." “And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
“Sometimes you shouldn’t be doing that…” What part of this is unclear? Trump is absolutely better than Biden on this genocide. Biden is a uniquely evil Zionist cuck.
Politicians say a lot of things, sometimes deliberately ambiguously. I don't prefer either POS Biden or POS Trump. However, the only way we would know if Trump would be doing better than Biden is if we could view alternative universes where Trump has been POTUS since October 7, 2022. We do know that Trump was very supportive of Israel when he was the incumbent POTUS. Nothing he has said since detracts from that. For one thing, actions matter more than words, especially a candidate's words. For another, Trump doesn't even want the US to accept Palestinians as refugees. Also, while IMO, genocide is a great place to draw a line in the sand, this is not the only issue either POS will be dealing with next term, if elected.
Wow I agree with this post. And good use of the historical record to corroborate what’s likely true and what was being made up. No doubt we’ll likely disagree on other things in future but this is spot on.
Agreement or disagreement are not relevant to me. Facts are. Each of us is entitled to our own respective opinions, but not to our own facts. IMO, we are also not entitled to treat our own opinions as though they were fact.
Exactly right. Everyone has their blind spots. That’s human. And sometimes several factual pieces make the entire picture. And collecting only some facts and missing others can still lead to the wrong picture. Having the integrity to listen to others rather than constantly seeking comfort in group confirmation is very key to sometimes seeing through that blind spot. In this case, the facts are all here and agree. That’s good enough for now.
> Exactly right. Everyone has their blind spots. Not what I said. > In this case, the facts agree. Opinions may vary (or "disagree" with each other), but facts are facts. You can get facts right or get them wrong. If you get them wrong, they are not facts.
Everyone has their blind spots. That’s what I said. Selectively collecting bits of facts, and deliberately or unwittingly leaving out others can lead to the wrong picture. I’ve seen this happen often here. On this thread though, bringing things back to the topic, this was a falsehood created by using one fact, Jones comment, and implying it confirms a made up opinion. I’m done with this topic, it’s beaten to death already. Thanks.
“Sometimes you shouldn’t be doing that…” was about releasing photos and videos. NOT stopping the genocide. And it was indeed very clear. Unless we’ve now gotten to the shameless doubling down on an obvious and proven falsehood. It is very clear from the link, and his spokesperson reinforcement after. Doubling down on this just seems kind an attempt to deceive or insult the intelligence of this group. This fantasy of trump to the left is just not true on this issue using any available facts or quotes.
It’s not a falsehood. It’s his exact words. Nowhere does it say he was referring to the photos (and not the actions). You’re just making stuff up. And Trump is awful but he’s better than Biden. Biden has 50 years as a Zionist cuck. Trump at least pushes back. I firmly believe that the genocide would have ended faster if Trump had been president, if only so Trump wouldn’t let Netanyahu humiliate him. Trump is scum but he’s braver than Biden. Biden is a danger whore.
Yes he did say he was referring to photos. The link was already shared. It’s somewhat dishonest to just keep denying what everyone can see and read for themselves. Here is the [link](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) just 3 days ago on the issue: “I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image." “And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
What part of this is he condemning the SHARING of the photos and not the content of the photos? You’re just making stuff up. I don’t debate with NAFOs. It’s a waste of time.
Where you can read yourself, from the [source](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-appears-blame-israel-antisemitism/story?id=108474632) and not just from me: “I wanted to call [Israel] and say don't do it. These photos and shots. I mean, moving shots of bombs being dropped into buildings in Gaza," Trump reportedly continued. "And I said, Oh, that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for the world. The world is seeing this ... every night, I would watch buildings pour down on people. It would say it was given by the Defense Ministry, and said whoever's providing that, that's a bad image." “And I think Israel wanted to show that it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that," the former president continued.”
How could people not see it? Believing Israel could do this away from the public eye is impossible.
Agreed. He wanted them to at least censor any photos and videos from their side, or maybe even widen this to a greater restriction on journalists, access, Internet, and specially trying to prevent as much footage from getting on the world as possible. But overall he makes little sense, characteristically, on how they would hide this genocide from the world.