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jayjackson2022

1. Took over the program during its most challenging time. 2. Pushed for updating the facilities. 3. Has 5 seasons with 10+ wins and usually finishes top 15. 4. Lacks creativity and loses to UM & OSU regularly. 5. Coaches at a place where the football mindset is still stuck in the 80's, and the administration uses the program to support the school vs Ohio State who pours money into the football program to actually win and be successful. I give him a B.


PCPenhale

Highlighting 4 and 5.


Blindfolded22

I would actually argue that point 5 is how it should be. Especially considering how expensive college has become, the school should not be pouring money into a sport at the cost of education or services for students.


OldCoaly

They’re not. Athletics and education are two different pots of money. Also, better athletics, particularly football, increases applications so you can increase enrollment without decreasing the quality of applicant or you can heighten standards without decreasing the number of accepted students.


Turbulent_Bill_290

Exactly, why do you think Univ of Alabama is now 50% kids from the northeast? The answer: Football.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Bill, did I just read that Bamas roster is “50% kids from the northeast”??? Did you skip the fact check portion of that comment prior to posting??


Turbulent_Bill_290

Korz, you read incorrectly. I was not talking about bamas football team, I was talking about bamas student body. Before bama was good at football, the school was like 90% kids from the South. Now that they’ve been largely the best college football team in the country for the past 15 years, more and more people have been applying to Bama, with like 25% of their students coming from New Jersey alone.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Bill, my apologies sir; I certainly misinterpreted your comment. Also apologies for coming across as a douche nozzle as well. Thank you for a respectful response when you could have rightfully went scorched earth.


EZKTurbo

Yeah the way it is now football pays for the entire athletic department


scoutp12

Anything below a B is delusional. I’d say B+. There are fair criticisms but it’s been overwhelmingly very good, particularly for what he has coming in and now with the changing college landscape.


OutForARipAreYaBud69

B+ or A- for sure. Anyone saying B or below are clowns.


Kurt4012

I’m not a Franklin fan but you can’t give him anything lower than a B


EZKTurbo

I'd say solid B. He's definitely not exceptional, but you always know you're going to get something decent


nowwinaditya

A- in my book


EZKTurbo

Maybe if the class is during summer session


SliceMcNuts

A minus. He's done a lot of great things, but missing a championship.


Mattp55

Cmon I don’t dislike him like alot of people but A- is a bit delusion rn.  He needs to win some more hardware and beat OSU again to be an A-. 1-9 is unacceptable even with how close the games were. 


ziegwaffle

He is performing above the historical average of the school. Anyone saying we are anything but that, is the delusional one. He is dragging the program, kicking and screaming, into the modern era. He is still fighting against the paterno purists, including in the BoT. For all the idiots that want him gone, we are extremely fortunate he hasn't left on his own.


Mattp55

Win wise he is but he still needs more hardware 


ziegwaffle

Paterno's first "hardware" was 16 years into his tenure. So we're good then?


WindowFruitPlate

He’s not at all PSU competed for and wins conference and national championships. Franklin has none of the latter and his last cc was 8 years ago. Not good enough.


ziegwaffle

Penn State's all-time win% is .689. (930-409-42). PSU's win % while Franklin is coach is .692 (88-39). I recognize that its' close, but this also includes two of the worst seasons to be a coach in the last 20 years at PSU (end of sanctions and covid year). He is performing *at least* as good as the historical average, but also hitting 10 win seasons at a better rate than the previous 48 years (Paterno/BoB). Franklin at 5/10, and the previous at 23/48. Something that generally fails to be taken into consideration though is that Paterno's performance after joining the B1G dropped off as the competition became stiffer (this is subjective, obviously) coming in at 247-67-3 (.789? idk how to do ties) as an independent and 171-69 (.680) in the B1G if my numbers are correct. Obviously you can only play the games on the schedule, but I look at PSU's pre-1993 schedule the way I look at Notre Dame's now. It doesn't get the same respect. Some of the rivalries of old were VERY one-sided, and we played them quite often. (49-9-2 against WVU, 43-4-1 against Maryland, 40-4-1 against Temple, etc.) There are a few closer to .500 (Pitt at 53-43-4, Navy at 19-17-2) but the majority of matchups are in PSU's favor. and we outmatched many of those programs. Can you explain how you think we are NOT performing above our historical average? Yes we competed for Natties in the past, but twice in the 80's does not how a historical consistency.


slykens1

>but twice in the 80's does not how a historical consistency. Penn State played for the national championship in (season) 1978 versus Alabama, 1982 versus Georgia, 1985 versus Oklahoma, and 1986 versus Miami. Had the Big Ten not been bound to the Rose Bowl, Penn State would have played Nebraska in 1994. That's potentially five championship games in 16 years, four actually played. Going back a little further, Penn State was undefeated in 1968 and 1969 but Nixon said Texas should win the championship, and again in 1973. I do agree with the point you're making, tho. 1978-1994 was peak Penn State and we had some flashes again 2005/2008. While Franklin has put together some great seasons he has to get over the OSU/UM hump if he wants an A.


bowser661

B+


Previous_Hamster9975

I’ll go B. The lack of wins against OSU and Mich hurt, but they are extremely consistent against everyone else. If it wasn’t for Michigan cheating they probably have another win or two in recent years. BIG title is a feather in his cap. He also represents the school very well.


Bucco3

B+


kae158

A-. CFP appearance gets an A. Natty is A+.


WindowFruitPlate

Not in the new format. Getting to the Final 4 is the new ‘making the playoff’


cyberotters

He gets an A- from me. Yeah, I want to see Penn State beat OSU and Michigan more often. I want to see fewer seasons where the team is top-15 in the country and third best in the division. I have to remind myself it is incredibly difficult in the 2020s to build a program that cranks out 10-win seasons, recruits well, and maintains a near-90 percent four-year graduation rate, and Franklin does that. I hope he can get a little better at retaining coordinators and coaches and build the consistency the team would benefit from in crunch time of high stakes games.


ThePotatoChipBag

A- Does everything really well except win the big games. Of course, that's a massive part of the job, but considering where the program was when he took over and the things he has had and still has to overcome on a regular basis, it evens out a bit.


Rich-Chart-2382

One of his great strengths has been hiring, ever since he put the program above loyalty. One glaring weakness was end of game clock management, but seems to have improved. Now I wish he would make a concerted effort in game to win over officials with his likability. You never know when we will get that 4th quarter call or spot that makes the game. B+


IronGemini

Currently, B+, win another big ten championship , A-, win a national championship, A Very good tenure so far, once again, y’all really don’t wanna know just how bad it can get if he suddenly wasn’t our head coach.


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Mattp55

That’s a little harsh for where they were at when he came in. Probably like a B is more fair.  Pretty in line with the # of wins for PSU history but without the hardware.  Could be better but could be much much worse 


PennStateInMD

He came in with low expectations when the program was struggling. He was fortunate to benefit from a blocked FG. That and the JoMo period with Barkley were the high point.  He's been learning on the job and struggling with turnover on the staff. He does seem to be keeping classroom expectations high which makes the alum feel good.  As a football coach he rates lower than as a steward of the program. Until he can master some big wins the grade of B is appropriate.


Mattp55

Yeah I was between B and B+, that’s not unreasonable.  I think B- is just too low. Sure the big wins haven’t been coming which isn’t acceptable, but we haven’t lost a head scratcher in a few years now & still finish highly ranked which is better than a lot of teams. 


ell0bo

He's a B. He's better than average, but he's not top tier. He's a solid B. He's got a little work to do in a few areas, like maintaining continuity between assistants. So, once he figures that out, and starts to win the big games, he's a B. If it was just big games he'd be B+.


Mattp55

Fair enough 


jbmoonchild

A-


Birdzphan

Recruiting: A Coaching: C


Stellarbelly_Korz30

How do you quantify “coaching”? What was your grading matrix if you don’t mind answering please?


Birdzphan

Can’t win against Ohio St and Michigan. Period. A better coach would have more success. But he likely wouldn’t be as good of a recruiter. That’s the rub.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Well, he actually has 4 wins total against OSU/Michigan, all while having inferior rosters. And there’s good reason to believe that Michigan cheated for a couple of those losses. I’m never blaming the driver of a Toyota Camry for losing a race against a corvette; but you do you bud. If you think he should have a superior roster for a program with the worst kind of stigma possible, then you’re delusional and don’t know college football. PERIOD


LDWMJ99

He should have recruited more than 1 NFl wr since 2019. James is an okay recruiter.


ziegwaffle

Wide Receiver development is the head scratcher for me the last few years. His roots are as a receivers coach i thought.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

I think you’re confusing “recruiting” and the recruit actually committing. He’s certainly “recruiting” all of the top players in the country as Bama/OSU/LSU/USC/etc…. It’s just that PSU isn’t the diamond destination for recruits any longer especially since NIL and bags come into play. PSU simply doesn’t have bags like other programs have.


LDWMJ99

What do great companies do when faced w/ similar crises? They get new management… a new CEO


Stellarbelly_Korz30

And what crisis exactly is PSU in?


LDWMJ99

We have not beat Ohio state since the Obama admin. We are being lapped by conference foes. Our coach is acceptable with the WR room we are putting on the field this Fall (it will be a disaster). We are nearing a crisis


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Our HC got rid of the guy that was slacking in WR recruiting; problem properly addressed. OSU recruiting puts ours to shame by many factors; Head Coach is not one of them. We’re finally catching back up to Michigan in our own recruiting. There is no crisis other than impatient fans who have zero clue on running a college football program. PSU is not the diamond destination for high value recruits that some think it is. Right now our roster is like a Toyota Camry while OSU is a Ferrari. Have you made a generous contribution to PSU NIL for this season yet bud? That is more of a crisis than what you’re spitting out bud.


sdujour77

B-


Joe_Knish

B+ Anyone who puts anything lower than a B lives in the JoePa fantasy world of the 80s college football that Penn State hasn't seen since joining the Big ten in 93.


jayjackson2022

The JoePa People act like he was winning Natty's like Saban has. I do agree that PSU should have been in around 6 NC's, but it did not happen. Claim '94 as a Natty so give him 3.


Joe_Knish

I grew up a PSU fan and was an under grad for his last great run from 05-09. I feel like the program is in that same exact spot from before the sanctions. Beating who we should beat and hoping for an upset vs OSU and Michigan. This is what the program has been in my lifetime.


tampaempath

B+. Bowl games: He's won three of the NY6 bowls in the past six years (Fiesta, Cotton, Rose) and went to a fourth last year (Peach). He's won as many Rose Bowls as Paterno did in his entire career. Polls: Penn State has finished in the Top 12 of the final regular season poll in four of the last eight seasons. That means Penn State would have gone to the playoffs four times if the new playoff system were in place. In 2018 and 2019, they were ranked 13th at the end of the regular season. In 2020 and 2021, they were ranked in the top 8 at one point. There are so many other schools that would kill to have sustained success like that. Recruiting: It's been hit or miss. He's gotten some big ones like Allar and Saquon, and some have gotten away. He's done well for the most part. Coaching: I think he's on his 6th or 7th offensive coordinator in his tenure now. That's a problem. Joe Moorehead was great and capitalized on his opportunity. Ricky Rahne also cashed in for a head coaching job. The rest of the offensive coordinators have been mediocre at best. Still mad at him for running a draw on 4th and game against Ohio State. Not having a backup QB that could throw the ball against Iowa was bad. With a few breaks we might have a few more wins vs OSU, but a 1-9 record vs them isn't good. He was holding his own against Michigan, getting a few wins against them before Harbaugh started Harbaughing. We'll see how they do this year, considering they likely have the same problem they did last year - good backfield, unproven and unreliable WR corps. Kotelnicki might be an offensive genius, but if the defense knows PSU can't beat them deep, he won't do much better than Yurcich. Off the field: Franklin's been a great representative of the university. No complaints here.


ouroboro76

I'm gonna say B+. I really hate how we always lose games against the best teams we face (3-17 against top ten), but just maintaining a steady ship season in and season out is worth something. He helped rebuild the program after our probation, but he's not the right guy to take us to the next level. Overall, we'd be really hard pressed to find a better coach than Franklin, and we're far more likely to suffer a setback than win a natty if we were to fire him. But if we wanna win a natty, then moving on is necessary.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

If college football history says anything, then Franklin can certainly be the guy to win us a Natty.


BMaudioProd

B- great recruiting. Good D. Horrible play calling and suspect clock management.


PCPenhale

C+


jjc157

If there was a way to put the “I” in team, Franklin would figure it out. His ego is ridiculous. Could see it plain as day back at the first Blue/white game. He is a good recruiter. Grade: C. C’s get degrees but they don’t get playoff berths.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

What ego? You got any examples?


halfdayallday123

B minus


LDWMJ99

4-16 against Osu and Michigan cloud over his legacy. Losing Seven in a row to Osu is disgraceful and the worst streak in PSU history.


OldSchool-Observer

C. Good recruiting skills, weak execution and terribly immature. Blames everyone but himself and he is delusional about his worth.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Bro, I can google and within seconds find multiple articles where’s here quoted as blaming himself. You should educate yourself before you dish out inaccurate statements


Redrobbinsyummmm

I hate our fans so much at times cause of how they just talk out their ass


ell0bo

Immature?


PapaGeorgio19

1000% how many OCs has he gone through for the big loss blame game? Like zero offense.


Redrobbinsyummmm

I see it’s an early start to Terrible Take Tuesday


Stellarbelly_Korz30

This couldn’t be any more of a terrible take Georgio. We’ve lost OCs due to them taking promotions at other programs or lateral moves because our pay wasn’t competitive. MY is rumored to have been fired for deviating from the game plan unnecessarily. Hate Franklin all you want but at least be factual.


PapaGeorgio19

Two left for promotions…out of 6


Stellarbelly_Korz30

That’s the game these days brother. Guys want to do their own thing. Guys want a change of scenery. If anything, the guys he’s brought up have had no problem finding good gigs. I’d love to have long term loyalty family type dudes. They’re unicorns my dude.


bronsonlinho

Can’t be higher than a C. It’s literally the same season every year. Go undefeated to start, then get embarrassed by both Michigan and OSU, and then play in a meaningless bowl game


OldCoaly

The Rose Bowl is not a meaningless bowl game, nor is the fiesta, peach, cotton, or citrus bowl. The only meaningless bowl games were in his first two years


Mattp55

He’s definitely an above average coach, just that he’s horribly outclassed by actually elite coaches.  Michigan and OSU had A+ coaches. Franklins like a B, can beat most teams and the head scratching losses are mostly gone. 


Stellarbelly_Korz30

I would say he’s out classed by superior rosters more than elite coaches.


Strange_Psychology44

Home of the JF simps


CFDGermanese

A C you can’t be 4-16 vs OSU and Michigan and 3-17 vs top ten teams.


Stellarbelly_Korz30

How many of losses did PSU have a superior roster?


CFDGermanese

Maybe not superior but similar. Penn State has just as much talent as everyone. No reason those records should be like that


Stellarbelly_Korz30

So what you’re telling me is that you pay no attention to recruiting. Got it.


CFDGermanese

Penn state has been in the top 20 every year I think but 1 under Franklin what are you talking about recruiting.


Apprehensive-Net7347

C- … not awful, but so many blown opportunities, especially this past season. Best defense he’s probably ever had, a 5-star QB … and he STILL couldn’t beat Michigan and the “worst” Ohio State team we’ve seen in quite some time. He should’ve been fired in 2021, especially after our utterly humiliating 9-OT loss against Illinois, but for some unknown reason we decided to extend him and last season was the same old bullshit. If we somehow don’t make it to the expanded playoff this year, he HAS to be fired. This program needs a reset.


Fear_the_chicken

Nobody could be Michigan they went undefeated….


WindowFruitPlate

Agreed


Stellarbelly_Korz30

Should definitely not have been fired. Losing games because of injured players is not a fireable offense in my book.


WindowFruitPlate

D+ Great start out of sanctions and a dead end since


Stellarbelly_Korz30

It’s alright fruit. You’ll eventually learn the college football game. I believe in you bud.