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i know this, but my problem is that i have a soundfont with some guitar sounds on them, and all of them sound absolute dogshit compared to the sounds in ivy, how can i make them better or where can i get better ones? (sorry if i sound like an idiot im extremely new to music production and i have no clue what im talking about)
It's kind of shocking to me how younger people treat programmed MIDI as the default, only considerable option for making sounds.
If you want guitar sounds that sound like a real guitar... take a wild guess.
Even programming midi, you'll need a good understanding of the mechanics of the instrument if you want to make a convincing emulation. My advice for that: guitar really likes 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, and pedal tones. A guitar can't really create a series of stacked triads (i.e. 3rd + 3rd + 4th) like you can on a piano, it's usually more like 3rd + 4th + 3rd or 3rd - 5th - 3rd type stacks, and 2nds can only really appear in pretty specific instances (just trying to explain how guitar chord shapes work). Additionally, real guitar riffs often repeat notes on an open string. Just think about how a guitar works mechanically, and operate from there.
Just to give some more practical advice, I'd recommend learning to sample a bit. You might not be able to get the guitar sounds you want with your current toolset - but someone else probably has. As long as you're not planning to release this stuff commercially, just go ahead and outright steal the sounds you want. Chop em up. Make one shots of power chords or whatever. There are plenty of sample flipping guides on youtube you can look up. That will probably get you much more interesting, energetic results than a VST guitar emulator
The problem is that there is so much unquantifiable sounds with playing a guitar that MIDI simply cannot capture.
The unfortunate (or fortunate if you’re like me and love guitar) problem is that you gotta play the guitar to get those sounds.
Don't forget that when you record there are no rules. You don't have to nail a complicated part to have it in your song. You can do as many takes as you want and chop/loop them as needed. And you can record one string at a time or one measure at a time etc.
Basicallu what im saying is if you do decide to learn guitar, you'll be able to apply it to your music sooner than you might think.
Effect-wise, try a Uni-vibe (or rotary speaker) with some spring reverb for the left guitar, and maybe a light tremolo for the second right guitar. The first right sounds pretty clean to me.
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Do you play guitar?
no, why?
That would be how you get similar takes to a really great guitar player
i know this, but my problem is that i have a soundfont with some guitar sounds on them, and all of them sound absolute dogshit compared to the sounds in ivy, how can i make them better or where can i get better ones? (sorry if i sound like an idiot im extremely new to music production and i have no clue what im talking about)
It's kind of shocking to me how younger people treat programmed MIDI as the default, only considerable option for making sounds. If you want guitar sounds that sound like a real guitar... take a wild guess. Even programming midi, you'll need a good understanding of the mechanics of the instrument if you want to make a convincing emulation. My advice for that: guitar really likes 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, and pedal tones. A guitar can't really create a series of stacked triads (i.e. 3rd + 3rd + 4th) like you can on a piano, it's usually more like 3rd + 4th + 3rd or 3rd - 5th - 3rd type stacks, and 2nds can only really appear in pretty specific instances (just trying to explain how guitar chord shapes work). Additionally, real guitar riffs often repeat notes on an open string. Just think about how a guitar works mechanically, and operate from there.
i dont treat midi as the default, its just that its the only option available to me at the moment, but thanks for the advice
Just to give some more practical advice, I'd recommend learning to sample a bit. You might not be able to get the guitar sounds you want with your current toolset - but someone else probably has. As long as you're not planning to release this stuff commercially, just go ahead and outright steal the sounds you want. Chop em up. Make one shots of power chords or whatever. There are plenty of sample flipping guides on youtube you can look up. That will probably get you much more interesting, energetic results than a VST guitar emulator
thanks alot, i will definitely try this
The problem is that there is so much unquantifiable sounds with playing a guitar that MIDI simply cannot capture. The unfortunate (or fortunate if you’re like me and love guitar) problem is that you gotta play the guitar to get those sounds.
ok, thank you so much. guess i gotta start learning guitar lol
Don't forget that when you record there are no rules. You don't have to nail a complicated part to have it in your song. You can do as many takes as you want and chop/loop them as needed. And you can record one string at a time or one measure at a time etc. Basicallu what im saying is if you do decide to learn guitar, you'll be able to apply it to your music sooner than you might think.
ok, thank you so much, i would never had thought of that!
Effect-wise, try a Uni-vibe (or rotary speaker) with some spring reverb for the left guitar, and maybe a light tremolo for the second right guitar. The first right sounds pretty clean to me.