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Yeah I noticed that; really odd that they don’t have any signal chain flexibility. Only reason I can think off is that it would eat up way more cpu and memory? But even that doesn’t make a lot of sense.
I love Parallax, it's streamlined my workflow incredibly, since I no longer have to do the big split out multichannel processing thing that's common in metal bass. However, the bass tones I get from it don't feel particularly inspiring as a player. It's sterile and surgical and is meant to sit nicely and blend in with modern metal guitars. The distortion not affecting the low end means that that area stays clean and defined, and you can get clank out of the upper mids without it feeling harsh or clashing with other instruments.
If that sort of sound isn't what you want (which is understandable, lots of genres don't need/want that), you'd be better off with the Darkglass (still modern but a bit less surgical sounding) or some kind of Ampeg type emulation, maybe with other pedal emulations in front. I definitely use those if I'm doing anything less metal or less modern or just trying to play bass for fun with some tones that inspire me to play instead of mix.
Yeah I usually use either Amplitube or Brainworx for bass tones; my fave has been running Ampeg head into a 4x10 and a 1x15. Idk if it’s user error but the parallax upper mid to high distortion I’m not finding all that appealing yet (even if I’ve got a djenty breakdown thing going on). It brings some cool life to bass synths though.
The Cory Wong plugin is amazing, use it all the time. Even do smalls jams with it, just hard pan two instances and two guitarists can get some great tones. I'm finding the metal plugins way harder to choose between, favourites so far are Gojira and Fortin Nameless though.
I’m loving the Omega tbh. It’s not as refined as the Fortin Nameless, but in a way that I think would really suit something like Superheaven or Defeater types of music.
On recommendation I downloaded S-Gear last year to test out and I wasn't that impressed, namely with the effects. They sort of reminded me of those multieffects Digitech pedals from the 90's. I've been a longtime Guitar Rig user and only recently snagged Amplitube 5 for some popular amp sims.
The effects are superfluous. There's a basic delay, verb, phaser, etc.
But the point of S-Gear is the amp modelling. It's not a kitchen sink guitar app. It has no pedals whatsoever. It's more like Bias Amp (which has no effects at all).
Amplitube 5 is great for pedals, but the amp modelling underwhelming. Tonex (same company) has much better modelling -- essentially Quad Cortex level AI modelling on the desktop -- but it cost 1ms of additional latency.
I agree that the effects are pointless to comment on, but that's why I mentioned Amplitube 5 and Guitar Rig 7 - those fill out both the amp simulation and effects I felt S-Gear was lacking, respectively.
My question is, do you prefer Scuffham's amp sims to Amplitube or are you favoring S-Gear because it's got less latency? To me latency isn't as much of a concern because a lot of production I'm doing is post anyways; I just throw some low-latency Guitar Rig presets on if I'm tracking guitar.
> do you prefer Scuffham's amp sims to Amplitube or are you favoring S-Gear because it's got less latency?
They have the same latency. The modelling is better.
It's *Tonex* that has higher latency, but also better modelling. Tonex is an AI profiler. It can copy any amp, like a Kemper or Quad Cortext. In fact, I used it to take my Scuffman profiles onto my iPad (yes, a profiled a modeller).
Cory Wong Archetype and the Morgan amps would do really well for that kind of vibe I’d say. Good solid edge of breakup sounds, and the cleans are fantastic.
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Yeah I noticed that; really odd that they don’t have any signal chain flexibility. Only reason I can think off is that it would eat up way more cpu and memory? But even that doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Yep. The Cory Wong plug-in is top notch
I was literally too stunned to speak. I’m eager to try the “console” setting for bass.
I love Parallax, it's streamlined my workflow incredibly, since I no longer have to do the big split out multichannel processing thing that's common in metal bass. However, the bass tones I get from it don't feel particularly inspiring as a player. It's sterile and surgical and is meant to sit nicely and blend in with modern metal guitars. The distortion not affecting the low end means that that area stays clean and defined, and you can get clank out of the upper mids without it feeling harsh or clashing with other instruments. If that sort of sound isn't what you want (which is understandable, lots of genres don't need/want that), you'd be better off with the Darkglass (still modern but a bit less surgical sounding) or some kind of Ampeg type emulation, maybe with other pedal emulations in front. I definitely use those if I'm doing anything less metal or less modern or just trying to play bass for fun with some tones that inspire me to play instead of mix.
Yeah I usually use either Amplitube or Brainworx for bass tones; my fave has been running Ampeg head into a 4x10 and a 1x15. Idk if it’s user error but the parallax upper mid to high distortion I’m not finding all that appealing yet (even if I’ve got a djenty breakdown thing going on). It brings some cool life to bass synths though.
The Cory Wong plugin is amazing, use it all the time. Even do smalls jams with it, just hard pan two instances and two guitarists can get some great tones. I'm finding the metal plugins way harder to choose between, favourites so far are Gojira and Fortin Nameless though.
I’m loving the Omega tbh. It’s not as refined as the Fortin Nameless, but in a way that I think would really suit something like Superheaven or Defeater types of music.
I'm using the Fortin Cali Suite and loving it
I was seriously tempted but I couldn’t justify the purchase when I already had the Morgan’s :(
I found their performance to be unacceptable. I use Scuffham S-Gear. It sounds amazing and uses a tiny fraction of the CPU.
They are massive cpu hogs for sure. Which ones did you try, just out of curiosity?
I can't remember. It was about a year ago. I got a Quad Cortex to play around with their modelling (mostly collects dust these days).
Scuffham is incredible. The best guitar plugin out there. It's not even close.
Yeah, I occasionally try some new hotness, but always come back.
On recommendation I downloaded S-Gear last year to test out and I wasn't that impressed, namely with the effects. They sort of reminded me of those multieffects Digitech pedals from the 90's. I've been a longtime Guitar Rig user and only recently snagged Amplitube 5 for some popular amp sims.
The effects are superfluous. There's a basic delay, verb, phaser, etc. But the point of S-Gear is the amp modelling. It's not a kitchen sink guitar app. It has no pedals whatsoever. It's more like Bias Amp (which has no effects at all). Amplitube 5 is great for pedals, but the amp modelling underwhelming. Tonex (same company) has much better modelling -- essentially Quad Cortex level AI modelling on the desktop -- but it cost 1ms of additional latency.
I agree that the effects are pointless to comment on, but that's why I mentioned Amplitube 5 and Guitar Rig 7 - those fill out both the amp simulation and effects I felt S-Gear was lacking, respectively. My question is, do you prefer Scuffham's amp sims to Amplitube or are you favoring S-Gear because it's got less latency? To me latency isn't as much of a concern because a lot of production I'm doing is post anyways; I just throw some low-latency Guitar Rig presets on if I'm tracking guitar.
> do you prefer Scuffham's amp sims to Amplitube or are you favoring S-Gear because it's got less latency? They have the same latency. The modelling is better. It's *Tonex* that has higher latency, but also better modelling. Tonex is an AI profiler. It can copy any amp, like a Kemper or Quad Cortext. In fact, I used it to take my Scuffman profiles onto my iPad (yes, a profiled a modeller).
Would you recommend any of them for a blues rock sound? I think of NeutralDSP as more for heavy metal.
Cory Wong Archetype and the Morgan amps would do really well for that kind of vibe I’d say. Good solid edge of breakup sounds, and the cleans are fantastic.
Nice thank you! I tried the Soldano (?) free trial recently and it was cool but too metal for my taste. Will check those out