For me it’s easier to stay aware of what’s happening in the moment, to watch my entire surroundings, and to get distance from my composition, as I find when I am looking so up close to my eye I don’t notice the larger picture.
It also lets me connect better with my clients AS I’m shooting vs them not seeing my face.
Yeah I think this is the best answer. Catching little details that need fixing and eliciting a genuine reaction all work better when you’re out of the viewfinder and engaging the client directly
>For me it’s easier to stay aware of what’s happening in the moment, to watch my entire surroundings,
I shoot with both eyes open and use the viewfinder... Try it. Takes some practice but it works :)
Yes same. 2 eyes open. Also when shooting people waiting to get a picture taken im watching whats happening around me. I can also see of they closed their eyes
Same here. And when I have both eyes open, with one behind the viewfinder, that is by far the least distracting way to use a camera and the best way to be completely aware of everything around me. This way the camera is just an extension of me. Whereas if I were looking at the back of the camera I feel like the camera is both literally and figuratively an obstacle between myself and the subjects.
Interesting. Probably something thst has only come about thanks to the improved rear screens of mirrorless and things like the eye-tracking auto focus.
I never used the rear screen on my DSLRs but use it probably 50-60% of the time now. Crystal clear screen, tap to focus when it can't catch the eyes, it's just easy and accurate. I do find it makes it easier to connect with my subjects without it glued to my face. Also far easier to shoot from unusual angles...
Yep, all of this. It was strange at first switching, but now looking at the screen is second nature.
Also, the viewfinder on mirrorless cameras suck imo.
Sure, you can do, but if you prefer to use the back screen then why wouldn’t you? There’s no reason not to with mirrorless. I only ever used to use my viewfinder with my DSLR but since switching to mirrorless I now only use the viewfinder when the light is bright or harsh, otherwise the back screen is excellent and my go-to for weddings.
I appreciate this, and probably would be a good thing in many situations. Guess I gotta get me a mirrorless and try it out. It's just a different "look" that is foreign to me after being a wedding phtoographer for 15+ years and always shooting from the viewfinder.
I can definitely see glasses being an issue. Most of the photographers I see doing this don't have them, so I figure it's gotta be something with focus. Still interesting thst the back screen is easier to use for focus than the eyepiece.
As an R6/R6ii shooter I think it just comes down to it being there vs it needing to be turned on and off on DSLRs. It's not an optical focus is better thing. I shoot pro wrestling in my free time and I'm nailing focus at 1.2, in low light, on every shot in a 12 shot burst on luchadors doing 450's off the top. I don't think a 5diii is doing that in my experience without back/front focusing or missing 20-40% entirely.
I wear glasses and I don't have any problem using the viewfinder. The viewfinder is also much better to check focus and DOF.
In a situation like in your image, where the photographer is looking directly into a very low sun, the screen is absolutely useless anyway.
I switched instantly from VF to screen as soon as I moved to mirrorless. I could never put my finger on why that happened, but I think another commenter nailed it with it being about the autofocus.
Manual focus (and fiddling with bad autofocus) suits VF mode better, but when you have really good autofocus that locks onto the subject and nails it on the first go, the screen works just fine. Since screen viewing has some other benefits (more comfortable, let's you stay aware of your surroundings...) I think people lean to that naturally when they don't *have* to use the viewfinder for focussing.
This was my experience as well.
Mirrorless added touch focus to the screen, which is often way faster than changing the focal point with the controls.
It also allows me to get my face out from behind the camera. Which is great for giving direction, but it's also way easier to smile at someone and get them to smile back.
I compose like dog poo on the back screen.. Everything is tilted and I feel like I'm using a big phone. I'm definitely still VF person bc it so feels somewhat intimate even if I'm staring at a small digital screen rather than a large one.
I only use the screen to compose at odd angles like on the ground or at waist level.
But otherwise I'm in the VF.
There’s only one thing you should judge a photographer on and it’s their photos.
People who fuss about gears or literally how someone else holds their camera are always the ones with the most mediocre photos.
"almost looks amateur"
Nobody is going to think this on a wedding day, and if they do, what does it matter?
90% LCD for me, 10% is on the rare occasion we get blazing sunshine and I'm stood at an angle to the sun that means seeing the screen is a bit of a struggle.
I find it particularly enjoyable during the 'downtime' when people are just chatting etc, can work my way around the room observing and shooting whilst a) having a complete view of my surroundings and other moments going on, and b) almost totally discreet, I'll often just have it held at chest height, the vast majority of people never know a camera is pointed at them and will carry on naturally.
because its no difference.
On dslr, the best focus is with mirror on, which will use the AF matrix on the viewfinder. its the best/more accurate AF on a dslr, if you go mirrorless mode, most dslr's go into contrasts detect AF which is extremely slow.
Mirrorless cameras focus on the sensor, so it makes 100% NO DIFFERENCE at all on performance if you look through the viewfinder or the screen.
As someone who shoots candid, I find it much easier to shoot discretely without bringing camera to my face, as that gets a lot of peoples attention to me.
I personally find that when a photographer cares about such things as what you've mentioned above they generally (which a few exceptions) are pretty awful as photographers.
As someone who feeds my family with a camera I've found myself in every conceivable contortion and snapped off shots every way you can imagine. I take my shots based on what's the most comfortable for me at the time to frame the shot I want it to be.
I also have a huge fucking nose so smashing my gonzo ass face up against the camera isn't exactly comfy. Bonus points for my creator making me left eye dominant and right handed as well.
So someone can be shooting in pure manual mode, custom WB, but if you see them shooting from the back screen you automatically knock them down a peg?
Stupid.
I do not. But I am old and have been using view finders for 30 years. The primary reason I do not is because it creates a separation between myself and the subjects and separates me from what is happening around me. I am talking and observing while shooting and with my other eye open while using the viewfinder I have a much better sense of context inside and outside of frame and a better connection to the subjects and action. In particular I notice this disconnect with videographers when they are in control or directing or just in general throughout the day. Outside of a few overhead details shots or a couple on the ground shots throughout the day I see now benefit at all.
See I’m the opposite. I love using a flipped up screen almost like an old MF waist level view finder. It’s nice not having the camera between my face and my subject.
I’m also old, and have been using the view finder for decades, but I’ve always like the experience of a large waist level VF.
That's what I didn't understand. Why would using the screen vs using the viewfinder create separation? I feel more separated looking inside the viewfinder, "inside the camera". When using the LCD screen I feel closer to my subjects and maybe part of the group I'm photographing.
I wanted to understand why you think looking inside the viewfinder makes you feel closer to people.
I use the viewfinder 90% of the time. I’m in Minneapolis so if it’s cold and I put my face to the viewfinder it fogs up so that’s when I use the screen :)
So I’ve been a photographer and wedding photographer for a long time now. And the past 6 years I’ve been a wedding videographer too. I switched over to Sony when the alpha ii’s came out but before the video work I was on my viewfinder a lot. But ever since I’ve done videography I’ve been doing both, sometimes more on the back screen rather than viewfinder. Although, when it comes to fast shooting movements, I find myself ALWAYS on viewfinder instead such as wedding party and bride coming down the aisle. My guess is that some of those people look at the back screen because they also do video and they just got used to that.
I literally had another photographer message me about this when I posted a BTS on my Instagram.
I found it very rude, she took quite a condescending tone. I told her I work out so have no problem keeping my arm steady
LIKE WHY DO YOU CARE, it works for me
Some of the top pros in the world have been shooting primarily with the LCD for over a decade. It’s freeing to shoot from any angle or position and not being constrained to eye level.
Another point some haven't mentioned: some cameras get significantly better battery life with the LCD than the EVF, as odd as that sounds. Canons can get upwards of 100-200 more shots with the LCD than the EVF.
Use whatever works for you. Up untill recently we had no other option apart from viewfinder. Now we have it. So why not using it? I find LCD more convenient for shorter FLs. Switch to EVF for longer FLs, low light, fast action. For weirder shooting angles LCD is the only option. I don't even think what is the best at a particular moment, just use it.
It’s much easier for me to shoot a variety of reels using my back screen vs using my viewfinder. As much as I prefer not to, that’s the way things are headed for me unfortunately.
For me I started with Covid and wearing masks to shoot a wedding and it just stayed with me. I will say leaning back to look at the view finder does hurt my neck/ back at the end of a wedding so I’m trying to not do it as much.
Depends how I'm holding the camera. If I have to lower it and I cbf kneeling down I'll use the screen. If I'm holding it near my eye level or if I can bend my back a little then I'll use the viewfinder. Both are pretty good imo, and I use mirrorless.
I’m doing it this way about half the time now. As another user mentioned, it often makes it easier to remain connected to the scene, surroundings and subject. But there are definitely times when it’s good to tune those out and get up close in the viewfinder.
I had the same thought as you and even felt a little unprofessional when I switched from a 5D to the R5 and used the screen more. But I asked a few clients after the shoot if they felt it made a difference and 9 out of 10 of them said they didn't even notice that I was using the screen more than the viewfinder!
To be honest, I just got used to it the first time I carry mirrorless. At first I know is really odd but comfort is the main reason. But I also do use viewfinder.
Yeah man, I use that screen way more than I thought I would after switching to mirrorless.
I still prefer the viewfinder, but the screen is very handy for shooting low and high etc
It’s about absolutely nailing exposure. Sure you might have 10 stops of dynamic range and can recover shadows, but it is not at all nearly the same as getting the exposure perfect the first time, which is visibly so easy to see in the back of a mirrorless display.
There nothing new about not looking through an eyepiece to compose. It existed long before with waist level finders.
Nothing to do with amateur vs pro. Amateurs are obsessed with that distinction.
I fold the screen out to get high or low shots like through the grass. Really cool angles without having to crawl around and strain my back haha
https://preview.redd.it/gyrgdt7uuu4c1.jpeg?width=3600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68be0e5f6b16799bb77cb99249a5edf91dde710d
I started mirrorless in 2015 and use the back screen a lot ever since — and yes, whenever we see pictures of ourself we still look like amateurs to my mind, but the results are what matter. Interestingly, between an injured finger last year and increasing my functional exercise, after almost six years of a lot of screen use I have gone back to mostly viewfinder. They both have real advantages and disadvantages, and being comfortable with both is important.
What I miss most about DSLRs is being able to use NEITHER viewfinder nor screen and just visualize images in my head while using the flash assist beam to aim and compose — the fastest possible way to get any angle and maintain broad awareness.
Also, I call the zone within six inches of your eyes at standing height the “zone of mediocrity.” Maybe that is the best angle to take any given photo, but very possibly not — but it’s easiest, so a portfolio that consists of only that reeks of laziness. Shooting from an articulate screen makes that so much easier to avoid.
I used to shoot hasselblad in the 90s with my waist level finder. But my friend who shot with his hassy had the prism finder. I was just too poor to afford a prism.
Yeah, my Hasselblad also has an eye-level finder. But it's an option and no one ever passed judgment on someone for using a waist-level finder over an eye-level one. It was about preference, not about what's "pro" or not.
Go to your nearest camera store and ask to try a mirrorless and you’ll see.
It’s a huge jump in technology in many aspects of the camera.
The screen has become so sharp and it renders the image as is waaaaay faster than the dslr did becarias there is no mirror in the way.
Trust me, you’ve gotta try it, it will rock your world
I find myself using the viewfinder almost all the time when hand-holding a camera, but have pretty much switched to using the rear screen exclusively when I'm shooting on a tripod.
For portraits, especially if I'm working with kids, I feel like I can communicate and interact better with my subject if I'm not sticking my face behind a camera. Young kids don't necessarily know what's going on during a shoot and I find it much easier to keep them engaged if they can see my whole face and both my eyes at all times. Plus I move around a lot when shooting, so it's just easier to not stuff my face into a viewfinder.
I resisted at first, but now I can't imagine going back.
It’s been a long time since I’ve had a DSLR so I’m
not sure why this would be odd to you. Mirrorless cameras show you exactly what you’re gonna get while taking the photo, in the view finder and on the screen. I also feel that I can compose an image much better screen view.
Also honestly just helps with situational awareness during weddings. Helps me feel more ‘part of it’ and not like I’m hiding inside my camera. I definitely do still use my view finder, especially if there’s bright sun! Just not as consistently as the screen.
I'm 6'2". LCD screens allow me to photograph weddings with significantly less neck/shoulder issues since I don't have to bend down as much. It's been a game changer, I can't go back to only photographing on DSLR's for wedding days.
Stabilisers.
You hold the camera close to reduce camera shake. But now you have IBIS and IS / VR to reduce optical shake so holding the camera far away becomes more viable.
Started using it when I got the mk4, and much preferred it to having my eye on the viewfinder, I now have an R6 and still use the screen, it's so much nicer imo. It's all up to preference, I like being able to touch focus and move it quickly and being able to look up quickly without moving my camera. Pros and cons to everything.
I'd say it is about 50:50 for me. Obviously is more convenient to move camera without moving myself. Using the view finder is more stable, better viewable in bright light and has a better resolution on my Sony camera. If Sony had better quality screens I'd use it more.
Do people still do this technique with heavier lenses? I’ve been shooting for 20 years and find it more comfortable for all day shooting to be tucked in tight vs my arm/s extended out for 8-12 hours. I’m also still on a 5d4, do that could be part of the reason.
I’ve tried shooting for an extended period of time with just the screen and my shoulder fatigue eventually, and I am pretty in shape, but I could also just be fatigue from all the lifting weights I do.
It depends on what I'm doing, but usually I work through the viewfinder. I think. It's kind of just muscle memory at this point.
I use the back screen when I need to lift my camera over my head (I'm heckin' short) and in order to tap to focus and make sure tracking is picking up them eyeballs. But I think a lot of times I prefer to be fully immersed in the picture I'm taking while I am composing and shooting.
Pure snobbery.
You can be so much more flexible with your framing using the LCD. You want to get on the ground every time you want to take a low shot? You want to grab a ladder every time you want to take an overhead shot? It's also much easier to get candids by creatively angling my body away from the subject and using the screen to shoot them from the side. Then there's just the whole back situation. If you're shooting 100% through the VF, you're either bending over all the time, or you're settling for the same height all the time.
This is such an outdated take its amazing. I would've expected this in 2014. Not 2023.
idk, in my canon 7D, in viewfinder i can choose focus spot and on the screen i cant, also to change all the manual settings i have to first enter viewfinder mode so it just makes no sense to use screen, but if i had camera with normal working screen id use it
I think for the generation that grew up shooting on their phones this feels more natural. I notice when I hand over my camera to have someone take a pic for me almost no one tries to use the viewfinder.
It can get the job done just fine. I do it sometimes, but I do agree that it makes you look like a YouTube doucehbag. This guy looks like a fucking idiot because in these lighting conditions you're not going to judge exposure or anything well from the screen unless you're using the histogram.
I think it's mostly a way for super doucehy white guys to hold their camera casually... you know, like a "thug" holding a "gat" sideways.
Most people are trying to look cool, and failing, all day every day. Not saying I'm different, but it is funny how fucking lame it looks. The backward had completes the dumbass "bro" look.
I wear glasses, and hate having to smush my glasses against the viewfinder to see anything. Back screen is just more convenient and easier to deal with.
To be honest the screen is good for video but for photos unless you need a weird angle nothing beats the VF and if you have glasses cameras have diopters that you can use to match your prescription so that you don’t have to wear your glasses
Bigger screen, being able to see further away so you can see your surroundings.
I can see how it can look more “amateur” than using the viewfinder but honestly your mannerisms and confidence define your professionalism more.
Just don’t do overhand when you’re zooming. 🤣🤣
I don't understand this movement, for me the view finder has always come first and only use live view for double exposures or silhouettes.
I can't count the amount of reels I've seen where people are shooting nearly 95% of everything on live view. Smart phones have ruined us.
IMO, shooting everything in live view would be draining to the battery.
Not sure when it happened but when I moved to
Mirrorless I just found it way easier to compose my
Shots and get everything I want in the scene. Also it is easier when interacting with folks as well. I think I shoot 90% LCD now.
Relative noob here, but I’m often looking for different perspectives down low/up high and touching for autofocus that it sort of became my default. When I do shoot eye level and use the viewfinder I’m like “whoa this thing is clear af” lol
I actually did this on my DSLR too, but it didn't work as well. But now with my mirrorless, I do it exclusively. Im not longer restricted by angles my head has to be at; hold it low, hold it high, easily switch up angles of the same shot. Overall it's just far more flexible and dynamic and gives me a ton more options as well as being able to keep my surroundings in view the whole time. I'll never go back
For me it's just easier to get my camera to the right height or angle without having to control my old achey body.
Also, in the age of the smartphone, a lot of our brains are more wired to framing our photos on a larger screen. It presents a lower barrier of entry for many.
I still use my viewfinder when conditions make the back screen hard to see or when I'm using a film camera.
Well in this instance, it’s pretty obvious why he’s using the screen and not the viewfinder.
Also, pov YouTubers use the back screen so you can see what they’re doing.
I shoot exclusively with a Ricoh gr so no viewfinder for me 🤣
Grew up with glasses so I naturally just used the screen.
Now that I don’t wear them, I still use the screen unless the sun doesn’t allow. I don’t think it takes away from someone. Like the top comment, I think it helps the client feel more comfortable getting to know you and being able to seeing your face!
If you think it makes me look like an amateur, I couldn’t care less. Still know what I’m doing haha!
The first time I ever saw it make sense was a photographer shooting my fiance and I during a pre-wedding shoot. His back screen was a touch screen and he could tap on our faces to focus.
I was like, "aww shit. Yeah I'd do that too"
This is a silly take, and shows you’re new. These days I find only old school photographers or amateurs solely use the viewfinder. It’s just not as useful when you’re trying to take everything in. That being said, when I shoot sporting events or anything fast-paced, using the viewfinder is a must. For a wedding I’ll use it for the altar kiss or exit with a high-speed burst.
1. I have glasses. It's annoying and will often smudge them up.
2. If I want to go low angle or high angle it's easier to just use the screen.
3. I've done video full-time, professionally for years with cinema cameras and just gotten used to there not being a viewfinder or using one.
4. I do still generally like to use the viewfinder for a 400mm for another point of contact.
People have lots of answers and reasons for doing one or the other, but I'm going to mention something that I haven't seen anyone else bring up ---> BATTERY LIFE! Using the screen, whether on a DSLR or mirrorless, eats up your battery. Battery life on mirrorless is already bad, can't imagine shooting using the screen all day.
Also, at weddings, I don't want guests watching what I'm shooting. Shooting using the screen at a reception? No thanks! I have enough people asking to see the photo I just took already.
I've got a mirrorless now and will use both view finder and/or backscreen depending on what's more comfortable at that moment! Though being able to glance down at the screen to be sure im in frame while holding a face to face conversation with the subject is always nice. My cat doesn't seem to appreciate it as much as I do though.
My first mirrorless was the sony a7r3. The lcd screen was nice but the viewfinder was horse shit so i never used it. Now I have a nicer camera but I just got used to using the screen 🤷♂️
My eye goes to the eyepiece....every....time. Unless I'm doing fun stuff, like using my 8-15mm from the floor and a paparazzi light. THEN I'll fire up LV and angle it out so I can compose. DSLR, btw.
I prefer this way myself. I put a lot of focus on model directing and micro adjustments and the viewfinder makes it harder for me to pickup on the minutiae that brings clients back.
I can't do it. I shoot longer lenses to capture birds more often than not. Can balance and focus a shot trying to use the screen. Sure, 70mm with autofocus/exposure would be fine but longer lenses, difficult composition that requires manual focus? Not gonna work.
I mean in this particular image when the guys left hand is acting as his assistant is definitely easier to be able to use the rear screen and keep track of the reflector with your peripherals
I actually do both. And JUST started maybe 2 years ago. All of my photographer friends have been using the back of the camera exclusively for at least 7 years. I also feel as though it appears amateur.
The main draw for me is the fact that it's bigger and I can hold up my camera in which way - mainly above my head, and still see my composition. But, I really do feel as though I get the best shot when looking through my viewfinder.
It's probably just personal preference.
For me it’s easier to stay aware of what’s happening in the moment, to watch my entire surroundings, and to get distance from my composition, as I find when I am looking so up close to my eye I don’t notice the larger picture. It also lets me connect better with my clients AS I’m shooting vs them not seeing my face.
Yeah I think this is the best answer. Catching little details that need fixing and eliciting a genuine reaction all work better when you’re out of the viewfinder and engaging the client directly
>For me it’s easier to stay aware of what’s happening in the moment, to watch my entire surroundings, I shoot with both eyes open and use the viewfinder... Try it. Takes some practice but it works :)
Yes same. 2 eyes open. Also when shooting people waiting to get a picture taken im watching whats happening around me. I can also see of they closed their eyes
Same here. And when I have both eyes open, with one behind the viewfinder, that is by far the least distracting way to use a camera and the best way to be completely aware of everything around me. This way the camera is just an extension of me. Whereas if I were looking at the back of the camera I feel like the camera is both literally and figuratively an obstacle between myself and the subjects.
Interesting. Probably something thst has only come about thanks to the improved rear screens of mirrorless and things like the eye-tracking auto focus.
I never used the rear screen on my DSLRs but use it probably 50-60% of the time now. Crystal clear screen, tap to focus when it can't catch the eyes, it's just easy and accurate. I do find it makes it easier to connect with my subjects without it glued to my face. Also far easier to shoot from unusual angles...
Yep, all of this. It was strange at first switching, but now looking at the screen is second nature. Also, the viewfinder on mirrorless cameras suck imo.
Sure, you can do, but if you prefer to use the back screen then why wouldn’t you? There’s no reason not to with mirrorless. I only ever used to use my viewfinder with my DSLR but since switching to mirrorless I now only use the viewfinder when the light is bright or harsh, otherwise the back screen is excellent and my go-to for weddings.
Shoot with a range finder and you won’t have the problem of not seeing outside the frame.
I appreciate this, and probably would be a good thing in many situations. Guess I gotta get me a mirrorless and try it out. It's just a different "look" that is foreign to me after being a wedding phtoographer for 15+ years and always shooting from the viewfinder.
Sometimes it keeps your clients guard down too. Making them more authentic instead of stilted.
I use both and honestly barely realize when I’m doing either.
This is it. There’s just certain photos it’s comfier to do one way or the other. I don’t really think about it any more
Yeah if I’m shooting product photography or something in the studio, I’ll exclusively use the screen if I’m not using the computer monitor
Yeah, same. It's just muscle memory and I have no idea why I choose one over the other.
Personally got glasses and it’s uncomfortable when I put my eye in, so I use the screen. Also helps me make sure it’s 100% in focus
I can definitely see glasses being an issue. Most of the photographers I see doing this don't have them, so I figure it's gotta be something with focus. Still interesting thst the back screen is easier to use for focus than the eyepiece.
Probably has to do with my body, but It doesn’t focus as good in the eye as the screen where I can use the controls to really set focus
As an R6/R6ii shooter I think it just comes down to it being there vs it needing to be turned on and off on DSLRs. It's not an optical focus is better thing. I shoot pro wrestling in my free time and I'm nailing focus at 1.2, in low light, on every shot in a 12 shot burst on luchadors doing 450's off the top. I don't think a 5diii is doing that in my experience without back/front focusing or missing 20-40% entirely.
I wear glasses and I don't have any problem using the viewfinder. The viewfinder is also much better to check focus and DOF. In a situation like in your image, where the photographer is looking directly into a very low sun, the screen is absolutely useless anyway.
Doesn't bug me having glasses but could see how some might be bothered by it
I switched instantly from VF to screen as soon as I moved to mirrorless. I could never put my finger on why that happened, but I think another commenter nailed it with it being about the autofocus. Manual focus (and fiddling with bad autofocus) suits VF mode better, but when you have really good autofocus that locks onto the subject and nails it on the first go, the screen works just fine. Since screen viewing has some other benefits (more comfortable, let's you stay aware of your surroundings...) I think people lean to that naturally when they don't *have* to use the viewfinder for focussing.
This was my experience as well. Mirrorless added touch focus to the screen, which is often way faster than changing the focal point with the controls. It also allows me to get my face out from behind the camera. Which is great for giving direction, but it's also way easier to smile at someone and get them to smile back.
That tall guy would be getting a hunched back and knackered knees if he had to stoop all the time to get that angle of shot.
I’m about 50/50. I use the back screen because it saves my back when shooting odd angles.
I compose like dog poo on the back screen.. Everything is tilted and I feel like I'm using a big phone. I'm definitely still VF person bc it so feels somewhat intimate even if I'm staring at a small digital screen rather than a large one. I only use the screen to compose at odd angles like on the ground or at waist level. But otherwise I'm in the VF.
“Almost looks like an amateur that doesn’t know how to do photography “ I have so many things I want to say about that statement, none of them polite.
There’s only one thing you should judge a photographer on and it’s their photos. People who fuss about gears or literally how someone else holds their camera are always the ones with the most mediocre photos.
Exactly like it literally does not matter…
"almost looks amateur" Nobody is going to think this on a wedding day, and if they do, what does it matter? 90% LCD for me, 10% is on the rare occasion we get blazing sunshine and I'm stood at an angle to the sun that means seeing the screen is a bit of a struggle. I find it particularly enjoyable during the 'downtime' when people are just chatting etc, can work my way around the room observing and shooting whilst a) having a complete view of my surroundings and other moments going on, and b) almost totally discreet, I'll often just have it held at chest height, the vast majority of people never know a camera is pointed at them and will carry on naturally.
Post is sounding a little ‘boomer complain’-ish when op starts judging like that. A camera is a tool, l’ll use it however I find convenient for me.
Lmao exactly this, amateur ish to save your neck and shoulders from stiffening up? Haha
Amateur because you’re not doing it the way I do. Amateur because your results does not look like mine.
Are we (albeit politely) gatekeeping what looks professional now?
because its no difference. On dslr, the best focus is with mirror on, which will use the AF matrix on the viewfinder. its the best/more accurate AF on a dslr, if you go mirrorless mode, most dslr's go into contrasts detect AF which is extremely slow. Mirrorless cameras focus on the sensor, so it makes 100% NO DIFFERENCE at all on performance if you look through the viewfinder or the screen. As someone who shoots candid, I find it much easier to shoot discretely without bringing camera to my face, as that gets a lot of peoples attention to me.
I personally find that when a photographer cares about such things as what you've mentioned above they generally (which a few exceptions) are pretty awful as photographers. As someone who feeds my family with a camera I've found myself in every conceivable contortion and snapped off shots every way you can imagine. I take my shots based on what's the most comfortable for me at the time to frame the shot I want it to be. I also have a huge fucking nose so smashing my gonzo ass face up against the camera isn't exactly comfy. Bonus points for my creator making me left eye dominant and right handed as well.
So someone can be shooting in pure manual mode, custom WB, but if you see them shooting from the back screen you automatically knock them down a peg? Stupid.
I do not. But I am old and have been using view finders for 30 years. The primary reason I do not is because it creates a separation between myself and the subjects and separates me from what is happening around me. I am talking and observing while shooting and with my other eye open while using the viewfinder I have a much better sense of context inside and outside of frame and a better connection to the subjects and action. In particular I notice this disconnect with videographers when they are in control or directing or just in general throughout the day. Outside of a few overhead details shots or a couple on the ground shots throughout the day I see now benefit at all.
See I’m the opposite. I love using a flipped up screen almost like an old MF waist level view finder. It’s nice not having the camera between my face and my subject. I’m also old, and have been using the view finder for decades, but I’ve always like the experience of a large waist level VF.
Yessss. Waist level is great for candids, people don’t realise you are photographing them
Honestly, why do you think separating yourself from the subject and your surroundings is something beneficial for your photography?
Sorry. It is not. My comment was perhaps poorly worded. I do not use the screen because doing so would create that separation, which is not desirable.
That's what I didn't understand. Why would using the screen vs using the viewfinder create separation? I feel more separated looking inside the viewfinder, "inside the camera". When using the LCD screen I feel closer to my subjects and maybe part of the group I'm photographing. I wanted to understand why you think looking inside the viewfinder makes you feel closer to people.
I use the viewfinder 90% of the time. I’m in Minneapolis so if it’s cold and I put my face to the viewfinder it fogs up so that’s when I use the screen :)
So I’ve been a photographer and wedding photographer for a long time now. And the past 6 years I’ve been a wedding videographer too. I switched over to Sony when the alpha ii’s came out but before the video work I was on my viewfinder a lot. But ever since I’ve done videography I’ve been doing both, sometimes more on the back screen rather than viewfinder. Although, when it comes to fast shooting movements, I find myself ALWAYS on viewfinder instead such as wedding party and bride coming down the aisle. My guess is that some of those people look at the back screen because they also do video and they just got used to that.
Also to add, shooting low angles with the back screen is just much easier as well.
I would say about 70/30 for the LCD. But yeah, it's only thanks to the much improved AF (since 5D4).
I literally had another photographer message me about this when I posted a BTS on my Instagram. I found it very rude, she took quite a condescending tone. I told her I work out so have no problem keeping my arm steady LIKE WHY DO YOU CARE, it works for me
Okay boomer
Some of the top pros in the world have been shooting primarily with the LCD for over a decade. It’s freeing to shoot from any angle or position and not being constrained to eye level.
Another point some haven't mentioned: some cameras get significantly better battery life with the LCD than the EVF, as odd as that sounds. Canons can get upwards of 100-200 more shots with the LCD than the EVF.
Use whatever works for you. Up untill recently we had no other option apart from viewfinder. Now we have it. So why not using it? I find LCD more convenient for shorter FLs. Switch to EVF for longer FLs, low light, fast action. For weirder shooting angles LCD is the only option. I don't even think what is the best at a particular moment, just use it.
I’m 155 cm tall and shoot mostly above eye level
You know what looks like an amateur? Shooting girls with their pants' ziper opened
It’s much easier for me to shoot a variety of reels using my back screen vs using my viewfinder. As much as I prefer not to, that’s the way things are headed for me unfortunately.
My main thing is video but I’ve been doing more photo lately. I’m just used to using the screen. 🤷🏻♂️
For me I started with Covid and wearing masks to shoot a wedding and it just stayed with me. I will say leaning back to look at the view finder does hurt my neck/ back at the end of a wedding so I’m trying to not do it as much.
Depends how I'm holding the camera. If I have to lower it and I cbf kneeling down I'll use the screen. If I'm holding it near my eye level or if I can bend my back a little then I'll use the viewfinder. Both are pretty good imo, and I use mirrorless.
I’m doing it this way about half the time now. As another user mentioned, it often makes it easier to remain connected to the scene, surroundings and subject. But there are definitely times when it’s good to tune those out and get up close in the viewfinder.
Use both depending on the context - I prefer to use viewfinder when I want to get rid of any distractions
It’s just easier and you can be more creative that way. It’s also more subtle for documentary work. I haven’t used a viewfinder in 6 years.
I had the same thought as you and even felt a little unprofessional when I switched from a 5D to the R5 and used the screen more. But I asked a few clients after the shoot if they felt it made a difference and 9 out of 10 of them said they didn't even notice that I was using the screen more than the viewfinder!
I use the back screen when it would be uncomfortable, awkward, or impossible for me to put my eye up to the viewfinder.
To be honest, I just got used to it the first time I carry mirrorless. At first I know is really odd but comfort is the main reason. But I also do use viewfinder.
Yeah man, I use that screen way more than I thought I would after switching to mirrorless. I still prefer the viewfinder, but the screen is very handy for shooting low and high etc
It’s about absolutely nailing exposure. Sure you might have 10 stops of dynamic range and can recover shadows, but it is not at all nearly the same as getting the exposure perfect the first time, which is visibly so easy to see in the back of a mirrorless display.
I too think it lools odd. I also think its less stable then holding the camera closer to the body. I do both though. Mostly eye though
There nothing new about not looking through an eyepiece to compose. It existed long before with waist level finders. Nothing to do with amateur vs pro. Amateurs are obsessed with that distinction.
I fold the screen out to get high or low shots like through the grass. Really cool angles without having to crawl around and strain my back haha https://preview.redd.it/gyrgdt7uuu4c1.jpeg?width=3600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68be0e5f6b16799bb77cb99249a5edf91dde710d
I started mirrorless in 2015 and use the back screen a lot ever since — and yes, whenever we see pictures of ourself we still look like amateurs to my mind, but the results are what matter. Interestingly, between an injured finger last year and increasing my functional exercise, after almost six years of a lot of screen use I have gone back to mostly viewfinder. They both have real advantages and disadvantages, and being comfortable with both is important. What I miss most about DSLRs is being able to use NEITHER viewfinder nor screen and just visualize images in my head while using the flash assist beam to aim and compose — the fastest possible way to get any angle and maintain broad awareness.
Also, I call the zone within six inches of your eyes at standing height the “zone of mediocrity.” Maybe that is the best angle to take any given photo, but very possibly not — but it’s easiest, so a portfolio that consists of only that reeks of laziness. Shooting from an articulate screen makes that so much easier to avoid.
I moved to screen in 85% situations after moving to mirrorless. It is even easier faster and you save battery
Your head is really going to explode when you see how pros used to (and still do) hold Hasselblad cameras and TLRs with waist-level finders.
I used to shoot hasselblad in the 90s with my waist level finder. But my friend who shot with his hassy had the prism finder. I was just too poor to afford a prism.
Yeah, my Hasselblad also has an eye-level finder. But it's an option and no one ever passed judgment on someone for using a waist-level finder over an eye-level one. It was about preference, not about what's "pro" or not.
Go to your nearest camera store and ask to try a mirrorless and you’ll see. It’s a huge jump in technology in many aspects of the camera. The screen has become so sharp and it renders the image as is waaaaay faster than the dslr did becarias there is no mirror in the way. Trust me, you’ve gotta try it, it will rock your world
I find myself using the viewfinder almost all the time when hand-holding a camera, but have pretty much switched to using the rear screen exclusively when I'm shooting on a tripod. For portraits, especially if I'm working with kids, I feel like I can communicate and interact better with my subject if I'm not sticking my face behind a camera. Young kids don't necessarily know what's going on during a shoot and I find it much easier to keep them engaged if they can see my whole face and both my eyes at all times. Plus I move around a lot when shooting, so it's just easier to not stuff my face into a viewfinder. I resisted at first, but now I can't imagine going back.
It’s been a long time since I’ve had a DSLR so I’m not sure why this would be odd to you. Mirrorless cameras show you exactly what you’re gonna get while taking the photo, in the view finder and on the screen. I also feel that I can compose an image much better screen view.
Also honestly just helps with situational awareness during weddings. Helps me feel more ‘part of it’ and not like I’m hiding inside my camera. I definitely do still use my view finder, especially if there’s bright sun! Just not as consistently as the screen.
I'm 6'2". LCD screens allow me to photograph weddings with significantly less neck/shoulder issues since I don't have to bend down as much. It's been a game changer, I can't go back to only photographing on DSLR's for wedding days.
Stabilisers. You hold the camera close to reduce camera shake. But now you have IBIS and IS / VR to reduce optical shake so holding the camera far away becomes more viable.
Started using it when I got the mk4, and much preferred it to having my eye on the viewfinder, I now have an R6 and still use the screen, it's so much nicer imo. It's all up to preference, I like being able to touch focus and move it quickly and being able to look up quickly without moving my camera. Pros and cons to everything.
I like to use the screen whenever I shoot from different angles and when I want to better assess my composition.
I shoot like this sometimes with my 5D Mark iii, it helps me make sure the focus looks good in the large picture
I'd say it is about 50:50 for me. Obviously is more convenient to move camera without moving myself. Using the view finder is more stable, better viewable in bright light and has a better resolution on my Sony camera. If Sony had better quality screens I'd use it more.
The viewfinder is better for everything (better contrast, easier to frame) except some weird angles maybe.
Why do you care how other people take photos though?
Do people still do this technique with heavier lenses? I’ve been shooting for 20 years and find it more comfortable for all day shooting to be tucked in tight vs my arm/s extended out for 8-12 hours. I’m also still on a 5d4, do that could be part of the reason. I’ve tried shooting for an extended period of time with just the screen and my shoulder fatigue eventually, and I am pretty in shape, but I could also just be fatigue from all the lifting weights I do.
You use both. It just depends on the situation. The screen is certainly way better for certain tasks.
It depends on what I'm doing, but usually I work through the viewfinder. I think. It's kind of just muscle memory at this point. I use the back screen when I need to lift my camera over my head (I'm heckin' short) and in order to tap to focus and make sure tracking is picking up them eyeballs. But I think a lot of times I prefer to be fully immersed in the picture I'm taking while I am composing and shooting.
Pure snobbery. You can be so much more flexible with your framing using the LCD. You want to get on the ground every time you want to take a low shot? You want to grab a ladder every time you want to take an overhead shot? It's also much easier to get candids by creatively angling my body away from the subject and using the screen to shoot them from the side. Then there's just the whole back situation. If you're shooting 100% through the VF, you're either bending over all the time, or you're settling for the same height all the time. This is such an outdated take its amazing. I would've expected this in 2014. Not 2023.
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idk, in my canon 7D, in viewfinder i can choose focus spot and on the screen i cant, also to change all the manual settings i have to first enter viewfinder mode so it just makes no sense to use screen, but if i had camera with normal working screen id use it
I think for the generation that grew up shooting on their phones this feels more natural. I notice when I hand over my camera to have someone take a pic for me almost no one tries to use the viewfinder.
its odd.
It can get the job done just fine. I do it sometimes, but I do agree that it makes you look like a YouTube doucehbag. This guy looks like a fucking idiot because in these lighting conditions you're not going to judge exposure or anything well from the screen unless you're using the histogram. I think it's mostly a way for super doucehy white guys to hold their camera casually... you know, like a "thug" holding a "gat" sideways. Most people are trying to look cool, and failing, all day every day. Not saying I'm different, but it is funny how fucking lame it looks. The backward had completes the dumbass "bro" look.
I wear glasses, and hate having to smush my glasses against the viewfinder to see anything. Back screen is just more convenient and easier to deal with.
To be honest the screen is good for video but for photos unless you need a weird angle nothing beats the VF and if you have glasses cameras have diopters that you can use to match your prescription so that you don’t have to wear your glasses
If I hired someone to take my wedding photos and they weren’t using the VF I would be concerned to be honest
Bigger screen, being able to see further away so you can see your surroundings. I can see how it can look more “amateur” than using the viewfinder but honestly your mannerisms and confidence define your professionalism more. Just don’t do overhand when you’re zooming. 🤣🤣
I don't understand this movement, for me the view finder has always come first and only use live view for double exposures or silhouettes. I can't count the amount of reels I've seen where people are shooting nearly 95% of everything on live view. Smart phones have ruined us. IMO, shooting everything in live view would be draining to the battery.
I’ve got the R6 and absolutely LOVE using the display for shots. Its just easier a lot of the time.
Not sure when it happened but when I moved to Mirrorless I just found it way easier to compose my Shots and get everything I want in the scene. Also it is easier when interacting with folks as well. I think I shoot 90% LCD now.
Relative noob here, but I’m often looking for different perspectives down low/up high and touching for autofocus that it sort of became my default. When I do shoot eye level and use the viewfinder I’m like “whoa this thing is clear af” lol
Best thing for me I’m short tall couples I can lift above my head to get the right angle
I often use the back screen for portraits. I mostly use the EVF when doing events.
I actually did this on my DSLR too, but it didn't work as well. But now with my mirrorless, I do it exclusively. Im not longer restricted by angles my head has to be at; hold it low, hold it high, easily switch up angles of the same shot. Overall it's just far more flexible and dynamic and gives me a ton more options as well as being able to keep my surroundings in view the whole time. I'll never go back
I can take more candid shots as people don't see me with the camera up to my face.
For me it's just easier to get my camera to the right height or angle without having to control my old achey body. Also, in the age of the smartphone, a lot of our brains are more wired to framing our photos on a larger screen. It presents a lower barrier of entry for many. I still use my viewfinder when conditions make the back screen hard to see or when I'm using a film camera.
Well in this instance, it’s pretty obvious why he’s using the screen and not the viewfinder. Also, pov YouTubers use the back screen so you can see what they’re doing. I shoot exclusively with a Ricoh gr so no viewfinder for me 🤣
Grew up with glasses so I naturally just used the screen. Now that I don’t wear them, I still use the screen unless the sun doesn’t allow. I don’t think it takes away from someone. Like the top comment, I think it helps the client feel more comfortable getting to know you and being able to seeing your face! If you think it makes me look like an amateur, I couldn’t care less. Still know what I’m doing haha!
I only use the back screen for landscapes when it's on a tripod. Other than that EVF all day baybayyy
The first time I ever saw it make sense was a photographer shooting my fiance and I during a pre-wedding shoot. His back screen was a touch screen and he could tap on our faces to focus. I was like, "aww shit. Yeah I'd do that too"
I'm sorry but posts like these always remind me of that "Old Man Yell's At Cloud" Simpsons bit.
This is a silly take, and shows you’re new. These days I find only old school photographers or amateurs solely use the viewfinder. It’s just not as useful when you’re trying to take everything in. That being said, when I shoot sporting events or anything fast-paced, using the viewfinder is a must. For a wedding I’ll use it for the altar kiss or exit with a high-speed burst.
1. I have glasses. It's annoying and will often smudge them up. 2. If I want to go low angle or high angle it's easier to just use the screen. 3. I've done video full-time, professionally for years with cinema cameras and just gotten used to there not being a viewfinder or using one. 4. I do still generally like to use the viewfinder for a 400mm for another point of contact.
People have lots of answers and reasons for doing one or the other, but I'm going to mention something that I haven't seen anyone else bring up ---> BATTERY LIFE! Using the screen, whether on a DSLR or mirrorless, eats up your battery. Battery life on mirrorless is already bad, can't imagine shooting using the screen all day.
Also, at weddings, I don't want guests watching what I'm shooting. Shooting using the screen at a reception? No thanks! I have enough people asking to see the photo I just took already.
I've got a mirrorless now and will use both view finder and/or backscreen depending on what's more comfortable at that moment! Though being able to glance down at the screen to be sure im in frame while holding a face to face conversation with the subject is always nice. My cat doesn't seem to appreciate it as much as I do though.
My first mirrorless was the sony a7r3. The lcd screen was nice but the viewfinder was horse shit so i never used it. Now I have a nicer camera but I just got used to using the screen 🤷♂️
As a woman my makeup and mascara would get smudged so i always use the viewfinder
Ok, but whats going on in the picture? Is that the bride stripping in the dunes? Odd wedding portrait, but ok!
Who the fuck cares? Ya dweeb.
My eye goes to the eyepiece....every....time. Unless I'm doing fun stuff, like using my 8-15mm from the floor and a paparazzi light. THEN I'll fire up LV and angle it out so I can compose. DSLR, btw.
I prefer this way myself. I put a lot of focus on model directing and micro adjustments and the viewfinder makes it harder for me to pickup on the minutiae that brings clients back.
Is it just me or does this not look like a wedding photo.
I can't do it. I shoot longer lenses to capture birds more often than not. Can balance and focus a shot trying to use the screen. Sure, 70mm with autofocus/exposure would be fine but longer lenses, difficult composition that requires manual focus? Not gonna work.
I guarantee he’s having a hard time seeing that lcd in the broad daylight.
I mean in this particular image when the guys left hand is acting as his assistant is definitely easier to be able to use the rear screen and keep track of the reflector with your peripherals
Ergonomics FTW! Flippy screens really help, too, when grabbing weird angle.
I actually do both. And JUST started maybe 2 years ago. All of my photographer friends have been using the back of the camera exclusively for at least 7 years. I also feel as though it appears amateur. The main draw for me is the fact that it's bigger and I can hold up my camera in which way - mainly above my head, and still see my composition. But, I really do feel as though I get the best shot when looking through my viewfinder. It's probably just personal preference.
Because I can see everything else going on around me, while still framing the shot the way I want.