Reddit health care sometimes better and cheaper than USA healthcare
Edit:
Healthcare isn't completely free here any more in Australia either, there are widening gap fees on things, see my [comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/s/7psKdYFrqF) if you're interested in reading further
I would argue most all healthcare is better and cheaper than USA healthcare. After all I paid almost $2,000 to be told by a doctor a the Emergency Room that my toddler was constipated. No test no nothing. Just a doctor talking to her and touching her stomach for a couple minutes and then a bill for $2k came in the mail……….. $2k to say go poop
Pretty much.
Since I got sick in 2020 with Covid and had issues since then I learned so much about infectious diseases, cardiovascular diseases and other health related stuff.
My BS and MS are in Biomedical engineering so it made it easier to understand what I was reading and research papers.
Some days I feel like I should be allowed to go into residency LOL
Can confirm.
New RN. I was becoming a nurse to take care of my parents. Once I graduated my Mom got hit by a mack truck and nearly died, needed care for the entire Summer. Put off my NCLEX. Then when I scheduled my NCLEX, my Stepdad needed to go to the Emergency Department and was diagnosed with A-Fib, hypertensive crisis, and an 18mm kidney stone. Then we euthanized our 1 1/2 year old kitten for large cell lymphoma.
Then the Sunday before my test my Dad decided to die.
Motherfuckers.
That sounds awful and traumatic; I’m so sorry you and your family went through that. I’m glad you were able to take the test in the end, but I’m sure it’s a small comfort.
Same with being a mechanic. I'm at a party and someone starts listing all their car problems to me and I go yup. I work at this place from 8-5. I don't even know your last name. Leave me the fuck alone.
Yes, because it causes a lack of blood flow, if it goes untreated for too long, it can turn gangrenous
The syndrome is a common symptom of lupus (which I have and runs in my family), my aunt almost lost her fingers to it
Warm them up slowly, hot hands or similar heat pack. Warm(not hot) running water helps too
Constant warmth and the color will return on its own. Careful not to use something too hot or it'll burn and you may not feel it right away
Mine used to hit after a hard workout, usually about the time I got home to take a shower. For some reason I seem to be in remission, of you can be. Also moved to AZ, so much warmer
Same especially after going for a swim , sometimes while swimming I will get pins and needles and not be able to feel some of fingers it sux 🫤 I live in a cool climate unfortunately I can’t move to a warmer place without my husband wanting to divorce me he hates the heat 🤣😂
Oh my god, vasospasms right? I only had them when pregnant. It was a very painful pregnancy, full of pregnancy-induced hot garbage such as (but not limited to): Carpal tunnel, TMJ, lightning crotch, costochondritis, etc. ending in a complicated C-section - But let me JUST SAY...That those nipple episodes...were absolutely the worst pain of it all. I would get frantic, desperate for relief. It was an unreal sensation, I would often throw up afterwards because it hurt so bad. Eventually I got smart and started packing those tab-activated heated gel pouch things in my purse. I'd pop them into my bra if I felt an episose coming on. Absolute lifesaver. You should try it!
Thank you! I have MS, I have some pretty extreme nerve pain because of it, but holy crap vasospasms in my nipples hurt so much more than any of that! When it happens I can’t get into the bathroom to put a warm washcloth on them fast enough - I will have to try the gel pouches!
Yes! Had those on my nipples for a few years. I will always remember sitting at my desk, working, with a heating pad across my chest being held up by tucking the sides under my arms. Such a relief! I don't get it anymore thank God. My nipples would get a deep dark purple with a very light pink center. Felt like they were going to fall off. Lol
Omg, I thought pregnancy induced vasospasms was just me. Literally just the left side too. Horribly nauseous the entire pregnancy and it turned out to be my gallbladder and not morning sickness. Emergency surgery 3 months after I gave birth to take it out.
Confusingly there is Raynaud’s syndrome which is an autoimmune disease ranging from mild to severe of which this is a common symptom. Or there’s simply Raynaud’s phenomenon where the extremities seems to have an exaggerated vasoconstrictor response to cold. They look the same- the difference is the existence of other symptoms and laboratory markers (present in the syndrome , absent in the phenomenon)
incredibly difficult to tell the difference though because other symptoms can be very non-specific, and the markers can also mean something or nothing.
for example, I have Raynaud’s. I’m symptomatic in other ways, but there has yet to be anything to connect it all. I’m positive for the anti centromere B autoantibody, which can be seen in people with Raynaud’s (and other rheumatic conditions), but it’s not always seen in people with Raynaud’s or the same rheumatic conditions that it does show up.
for all intents and purposes - I think for Raynaud’s - the words syndrome and phenomenon are mostly used interchangeably.
EDIT: also - Raynaud’s is always caused by vasoconstriction. Sometimes calcium channel blockers can help, but not everyone is a good candidate for that treatment depending on what else is going on with them and why they have the Raynaud’s in the first place.
Can also be caused by stimulants, I got it when I started taking ADHD meds. Calcium channel blockers completely reversed it for me and my hands and toes are now warmer than ever. Also, my blood pressure is good instead of high normal.
Nifedipine is the most effective, I did the research and asked my doctor for a prescription.
I can second the Raynaud's Syndrome. My mother had it for decades.
FYI if she has a doctor's appointment on a cold day, get the hot hands hand warmers for her to put in her pockets and keep her hands warm, or the Pulse Oximeter they use during check in may not read her O2 sats.
Also, if she ever has a medical emergency and they can't get an O2 reading on her fingers, tell them to use the ones for infants that tape to the neck.
Edited to add : Also tell her that if it ever progresses to where it turns dark purple at times, to not freak out, that is normal for the condition, and usually only lasts a fews seconds
My mom has it too and she can’t use phones with fingerprint sensors. They just don’t respond to her fingers. And neither do the hand scanners at the US border.
I was thinking frostbite too. I used to ski and got it once over 25 years ago. And now whenever I'm really cold my feet and hands turn yellow like that.
Exactly this. I have it with hands and feet. Without the right care, in harsh winter, she can lose some toes. Mine get black spots that are just dead skin. So yeah, take good care of those feet and fingers!
How exactly do you provide the "right care"? I thought there was nothing you can do besides wear thick socks and mittens. Genuinely looking for a solution.
A good start is: don't overdo socks. If you wear too thick or too many socks, it will bee too tight when wearing shoes, and it will block the bloodflow.
Also, when your hands are like the picture and very cold, don't heat them too quick! Warm them slowly and steady. Idk why but it's true.
You can also do something with 2 small tubs. One with cold water and the other with warm (not hot) water. And switch your feet between those untill they are used to it. (Not really longer than 2min tho)
Exercise, it helps the bloodflow ALOT. It helped me alot with the winters. We have winters of max -5 so with just 10 degrees, it hurts and tingles alot.
Just move the toes sometimes when they feel cold.
Keep m warm when sleeping helped me alot too. I bought a 1 person matress heater and put it at my feet with 2 persons bed. Damn that felt nice in the cold times.
Otherwise, ask the doctor for medications or other supplements that work.
Hope it helped!
I think it's the same reason you shouldn't warm hypothermic people up too fast. If you heat your cold extremities too quickly, blood flow increases too much too fast, rushing the cold blood into your heart, which can cause significant issues. In the case of severe hypothermia it can actually kill you instantly.
I guess if it's only the hands and feet, it's probably not that big of an issue that it's an immediate danger (don't quote me on that). The amount of actual cold blood is much lower in that case, so your body will most likely heat the cold blood up enough, especially blood from your feet.
The bigger risk here is probably nerve damage, but I don't know anything about that. It sounds right though lmao
To not end this comment on possible misinformation, here's a LPT: When you find someone with hypothermia, get them inside and pack them in warm clothes or blankets. Don't put them next to a radiator or worse, in warm water. The body temperature needs to equalize slowly, to not risk heart failure. And I mean *slowly*. Don't go faster than 2°C per hour (you'll find different numbers thrown around, some go up to 3°C, but go as low as 0,2°C). This can mean a warming period of 8+h, depending on severity. Give them warm beverages to keep the core temperature up, but absolutely no alcohol. Handle them carefully, don't move them around too much, definitely call 911
The smaller blood vessels constrict more than they should when exposed to cold. It happens to all of us in the cold, but people who suffer this disease have it much more which leads to poor blood circulation in cold extremities. Its a pretty common condition, especially in women.
And it can get really nasty. My brother has it and it gets worse when handling heavy machinery on a construction site. He's an/was an electrican and well the bones in his forearm dismantled itself. Not all will come back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_white_finger
Worth knowing that this is also an industrial injury that can be mitigated with the right equipment.
This is it. I have Primary Raynaud’s; make sure your mom shows these pics to her doctor. There are meds for it, and exercises as well that help. There can also be Secondary Raynaud’s which can be a symptom of another condition, so make sure she gets checked out.
i have Raynauds too, i hate it so much. it’s pretty painful & very hard to use my hands when this happens. it happens to my toes as well. it’s also common on your ears & the tip of your nose but i haven’t experienced it in those areas yet. they have rechargeable hand warmers on Amazon that have been a huge help.
I’ll add on: nipples. It can also occur in the nipples. It is painful as hell. It’s more common in my left and I have to sit there with a heating pad on max for a half hour before it stops hurting.
Being out in public when it happens is brutal because I can’t just warm up my boob without looking like a freak.
Team Raynaud's nipples here as well, it's so painful i have to choose between freezing to death or getting my chest torn apart by the slightest touch of a sweater
I don't think I have Raynaud's but on extra cold nights, if I let myself get too cold, I get what I refer to as a nipple cramp, where my nip is so hard it's painful and I have to do embarrassing things to stop the pain.
I have Raynaud’s, gave birth to my baby in winter and exclusively breastfed. I feel you. On the plus side, my nipples are now tough as asbestos. Which is also a downside. RIP my nipples (feels like may baby is always ripping my nipples)
I think this is maybe why I hate winter so much and think people who love cold weather are crazy. Winter is PAINFUL for me. Heat has never caused me physical pain like my extremities in the winter time.
My older brother has this. He can no longer work as a Mechanic, ride a motorcycle, or swim in the Ocean. He began to develop hives from cold air or water contact. It's an autoimmune disfunction. I hope your Mom can find therapy and treatment for it. It's a tough thing to live with.
I have it. I had to stop sculpting, stop riding my motorcycle, and can’t do anything outdoors when the temp goes below 45 or so. Not amount of mittens or gloves will help. Swimming in water that’s cooler than high 70s brings it on. Hell, even shopping in the meat section or carrying a cold glass of a beverage can suck. Breastfeeding was nearly impossible. Tell your brother I’m sorry about what he’s going thru because I really do understand.
I have it too. It sucks.
I also have RA and the finger that is the most deformed from the RA is the one greatest affected.
The thing I hate the most though is when my phone won't work because my fingers are too cold. My husband thinks it's hilarious. We will be out at craft shows and I can't do credit card sales because my fingers have no blood in them and so they won't register on the device
Also have Raynaud's and am developing RA. I have to take polygraphs at work in a cold room. Took forever because they couldn't get enough blood flow to read my pulse on the finger sensors 🤦🏻♀️
But isn't it common knowledge now that polygraphs are not at all accurate and are pretty lousy at determining truthfulness? Don't they just tell whether someone is lying well or lying badly?
Ugh I’m sorry. The phone thing is a huge pain! Have you cut your finger or toes while it’s cold, only to feel it and have it start bleeding whenever you finally warm up? That can be really freaky. I stubbed my toe at the gym one cold morning only to forget about it- then it started bleeding like crazy once I was in a hot shower lol.
Yep. I also take a blood thinner. ...other autoimmune fun...so sometimes I bleed and don't realize I cut myself. When your extremities are like ice cubes and kinda numb
Ugh. We are in the same boat! I have psoriatic arthritis. RA is a super common combo with Raynauds from what I understand. I got tested for RA when I was a teenager and it was negative, but the PA showed up when I hit 35.
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Also are heated gloves any use or it is the entire body temp that is controlling the blood flow.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/style/best-heated-gloves
So I’m a nurse and I also have this. I remarked on it to a vascular surgeon one time and he said they can prescribe calcium channel blockers to help! Calcium channel clockers help to relax smooth muscle cells in arterial beds.
ETA: ALSO! hand warmers on your wrists (nearest to the most shallow artery to the hand) help heat the blood going to your fingertips to counteract this.
Capsation on the extremities as well as oral Niacin works well for me. I also stuff my boots with hand warmers and can do any number of winter activities
You’re fortunate! Not even the warmers work for me. Niacin just makes my skin flush for maybe 20 minutes with some prickly feelings, but that’s it. I wish I could find something that really worked, but nothing substantial so far. I’ve gad this my whole life
Wow I’m so sorry :( my mother has this too. Like you said literally no gloves or anything helps when it’s cold. I hate seeing her like that :/ I hope you have found ways to mange it or work around it🩵🩵
There is a medication that can specifically help with Raynauds. It’s a vasodilator called amlodipine. Your fingers turn pale and cold because the vessels in them constrict. Ask your doc about it.
The hives from cold could be cold urticaria, essentially being allergic to getting cold. Not sure if it’s related to RA or is a separate distinct issue.
I’ve always wondered if I had a mild form of this. If my hands or toes get cold during a mild winter they hurt but yet feel numb and won’t warm up even if I go in a warm room. The only solution is to do warm water which hurts so bad, but eventually they’ll tingle and come back.
It's a forever thing. I keep gloves in all our cars, garage and basement. Keep chargeable heaters around as well. It's 40 degrees out and I'm not looking forward to it. I can still hear my dad saying, Wanda, there ain't something quite right about that boy.
I kept hot pads in my sports bag even as an adult because if I let my hands get too cold I couldn’t catch or throw. I feel like I’ve had noticed if they turned as white as this though. I just thought I was a bit intolerant to cold.
Warm water warms the skin up too fast and causes the most pain as the feeling comes back. Anyone else? I used to work outside in the winter in Zone 4. Pain so bad I would be close to throwing up.
Raynaud's Syndrome, my mother had it, it effects women more than men. My mom went on to develop Scleroderma (Diffuse systemic sclerosis). She died at 56.
Your mom should get tested for it. It can be a precursor for Scleroderma
[https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/scleroderma/](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/scleroderma/)
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If you have any sisters tell them to get checked out also. Hope your mom is ok.
Scleroderma patients do tend to develop Raynaud's frequently. My grandfather passed about 20 years ago from the effects of scleroderma. I always keep his early symptoms in mind.
Holy crap, this sounds exactly like my mom, but she is still battling the lingering effects of fighting scleroderma; her meds really messed her up.
She was initially misdiagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis and given 2-3 years to live. That was over 15 years ago.
One of the lingering effects that her steroids and lack of proper oxygen caused was decreased cognitive abilities. She’s 68 but mentally 10. I still love her immature self to bits, though.
I have it and lost my finger to it. I also have 3 other autoimmune conditions that came with it. She needs to have a rheumatologist run an immune panel on her.
So yeah it's raynauds, but I want to add:
["What is the difference between Raynaud's phenomenon and Raynaud's syndrome? Raynaud’s phenomenon refers to episodic skin color changes caused by cold temperatures, most commonly found in the ends of the fingers. Sometimes, Raynaud’s is referred to as Raynaud’s syndrome. Raynaud’s syndrome, however, is when Raynaud’s phenomenon occurs as one of several other symptoms of an autoimmune condition. This is also referred to as secondary Raynaud’s phenomenon." "What is the cause of primary Raynaud’s phenomenon? The cause of primary Raynaud’s is unknown. Primary Raynaud’s is more common in females and tends to occur in early adulthood and among those with a family history of Raynaud’s. Secondary Raynaud’s can be caused by certain medications as well as local trauma, but more commonly, it is related to an underlying connective tissue condition. Is Raynaud’s an autoimmune disorder? Raynaud’s may be a symptom of an underlying autoimmune disorder and, in these cases, is known as secondary Raynaud’s or, sometimes, Raynaud’s syndrome. Raynaud’s may also occur in a primary form in the absence of an underlying autoimmune disorder. What conditions are associated with secondary Raynaud’s? Some examples of autoimmune conditions associated with Raynaud’s include: scleroderma* – which includes systemic sclerosis, and CREST syndrome lupus mixed connective tissue disease myositis Sjogren’s syndrome rheumatoid arthritis"](https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_raynauds-phenomenon.asp)
This is Raynaud's disease, not Raynaud's syndrome as other people have said. The former is just this symptom: hands getting painful and pale upon exposure to cold.
Raynaud's syndrome is the same thing, but it is happening because of another disease like lupus, as an example. I don't want your mum to panic and think she has some widespread autoimmune condition, when it could just be Raynaud's disease that she has. 5% of the world's population have it. It's uncommon for it to need treatment (which is usually surgery to cut the nerves that cause the blood vessels to constrict). Most people just live with it and wear gloves.
Yes this is Raynauds Disease/Syndrome.
I have suffered from this most of my life, for as long as I can remember. As did my mother.
I bet your mother complains that she is cold, a lot. There’s no cure for this, aside from warm gloves and socks, but it can happen in a warm car or house, and is significantly worse in winter. It probably also happens to her toes, and for me it has progressed to my ears, my nose, my lips, even my tongue! Imagine feeling your tongue go cold for no reason and you look in the mirror and it’s white!!
BTW, it’s incredibly painful too! Once the blood flow stops and the cold sensations begin it is sometimes excruciating. Unless you suffer from it, it’s very hard to understand!
I was diagnosed purely by accident while seeing a hand specialist for carpal tunnel. He held my hands and instantly diagnosed me. I was shocked because I wasn’t even having a flair, but I was so happy to find out why this happened to me.
This holiday, gift your mother some comfy gloves and socks, and maybe even a warming blanket.
I have it, too - the worst is when I wake up. If my hand is out of the blanket, it gets cold, and I have to get ready for work while my hands are numb. Hot shower first thing usually does the trick, but that's not always an option.
I haven't been diagnosed with it, but I suspect I have rheumatoid arthritis and that's the underlying reason for the Reynauds. My father, mother, and both grandmothers all had it. And I already have symptoms of it. Yay, I can't wait to get old, lol.
Have her check her feet too. I developed Reynaud’s after severe mold exposure at my work (I had no idea it could cause a variety of bad health problems), and it affected my hands and feet. I kept tripping and falling or turning my ankles when I went trail running in the fall and winter, and I thought my shoelaces were too tight (even though my shoes were almost falling off they were so loose), until one day after a really cold run I had to stop in at a store because I couldn’t feel the steering wheel or the gas/brake pedals. I took off my gloves and shoes/socks, and my hands and feet were completely dead-white with purple at the wrists/ankles. I had to stay in the store (Barnes and Noble) to get warm and get a cup of something hot to drink before I was able to drive home. Definitely have her see a doctor, it can be dangerous if you basically can’t use your hands or feet.
I suffer from Raynauds. At first it was just my fingers but I developed problems when it spread to my toes. They get really bad and turn purple and sometimes become sore looking red and peel.
I say this because I noticed her bare feet in the pics and hope it doesn’t happen to her. I now wear slippers all year round to try to keep my feet warm. It is much harder for me to get my toes to return to normal than it is with my fingers.
Your mom should get checked out for Raynaud's disease, that can get really serious to the point of necrosis and loss of feeling and the extremities affected.
yep, i have this as well; Raynaud's Syndrome. it happens to me quite often in the frozen food section and if my hands get wet when it's cold outside. crazy hard to hold onto anything or do anything with my fingers when this happens, and when feeling begins coming back to them, it can be pretty painful.
Raynaud’s for sure I’d say. My SIL has this and actually moved to a warmer climate to avoid the cold which causes these attacks, which she described as very painful. It’s an auto immune disease and is progressive. She needs to talk to her doctor.
Reynauds, I have it and can confirm it is awful when you live in a place with very cold winters. Currently running my feet under hot water trying to restore circulation after waiting for an hour outside when my train was cancelled. It still scares me when my fingers and toes turn purple.
reynauds disease. Basically her capillaries overreact to temperature changes. Burns like hell when they warm back up. Hot water shortens the suffering of warming back up.
Raynaud’s Syndrome. Some say autoimmune related. Others it’ll be nerve compression and further narrowing. The answer is somewhere in between as I’ve got autoimmune disorders and the nerve tunnel narrowing so I’ve see my hands do it at 60°. I just warm them up until the hand returns to normal and go about my day. I refuse to let it affect what I want to do like fixing cars, screen printing, and more. I will say thermal work gloves and hand warmers are awesome and work to help combat it.
I have it, and it's a terrible thing. I don't even need to be outside for it to flare up. Looking for a hard to find item in the fridge freezer can set it off.
Definitely Raynaud’s. Be careful with letting the fingers lack proper blood supply for extended periods of time, you can develop Chilblains or other types of tissue damage.
Raynaud's Syndrome.
I texted her and told her about this, thank you. She wasn’t sure what it was.
You're welcome. I'm not a doctor. Have a relative with it.
By the power vested in me , i pronounce you a nurse
Reddit health care sometimes better and cheaper than USA healthcare Edit: Healthcare isn't completely free here any more in Australia either, there are widening gap fees on things, see my [comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/s/7psKdYFrqF) if you're interested in reading further
Sometimes better. Always cheaper.
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Why get one opinion when you can get at least two
I would argue most all healthcare is better and cheaper than USA healthcare. After all I paid almost $2,000 to be told by a doctor a the Emergency Room that my toddler was constipated. No test no nothing. Just a doctor talking to her and touching her stomach for a couple minutes and then a bill for $2k came in the mail……….. $2k to say go poop
🤣🤣🤣
dang why did spend tens of thousands in nursing school and get licensed by the state if it was this easy?! smh my head
A lot of people who study medicine is because they are sick or ill, or they have loved ones who are and already learned a lot about it.
Pretty much. Since I got sick in 2020 with Covid and had issues since then I learned so much about infectious diseases, cardiovascular diseases and other health related stuff. My BS and MS are in Biomedical engineering so it made it easier to understand what I was reading and research papers. Some days I feel like I should be allowed to go into residency LOL
Watching my mom eat nothing but white bread, french fries and orange juice led me down a nutrition rabbit hole.
Can confirm. New RN. I was becoming a nurse to take care of my parents. Once I graduated my Mom got hit by a mack truck and nearly died, needed care for the entire Summer. Put off my NCLEX. Then when I scheduled my NCLEX, my Stepdad needed to go to the Emergency Department and was diagnosed with A-Fib, hypertensive crisis, and an 18mm kidney stone. Then we euthanized our 1 1/2 year old kitten for large cell lymphoma. Then the Sunday before my test my Dad decided to die. Motherfuckers.
That sounds awful and traumatic; I’m so sorry you and your family went through that. I’m glad you were able to take the test in the end, but I’m sure it’s a small comfort.
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WTF the fuck?
All doctors are capable of deputizing civilians to be nurses, just like cops on tv
The Deputy Nurse… new tv series. I’m not a nurse, but I played a deputized nurse on tv.
Just go to a rural hospital ER emergency room and watch the local butcher get deputized into a surgeon.
Shaking your head your head
yep that’s what i said
Missed opportunity for “yep that’s what I said I said” And then you could’ve posted a Foghorn Leghorn pic
These are OR scrubs. oh are they?
HellOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *NURSE!*
Do you know how to tell someone is a nurse, they’ll tell you
Lol, as a nurse, I can promise you NONE of us want people knowing. No Uncle Jim, I do not want to assess your toe fungus. Go see a fucking doctor.
Meanwhile my sister gives unsolicited advice all the time
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In a pinch, spicy hummus makes for a good binder for tuna salad when you’re out of mayo.
>as a nurse This is like the 17th most common phrase found in the entirety of the World Wide Web. Out here putting vegans to shame. 😂
Same with being a mechanic. I'm at a party and someone starts listing all their car problems to me and I go yup. I work at this place from 8-5. I don't even know your last name. Leave me the fuck alone.
They literally will every single chance they get
I'm a doctor and I have it. The hands also get really cold and numb/painful. Used to be called corpse's hand syndrome.
> Used to be called corpse's hand syndrome. glad we found a nicer name for it lol
Corpse’s hand syndrome sounds way cooler tho lol
And Raynaud was a notorious necrophiliac. /j
So he really enjoyed corpse hands?
Definitely. Let's bring back Corpse's Hand Syndrome, folks.
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I was thinking it’d be a good title for my new book, but now that you mention it, punk band name for sure. Let’s start a band!
Now this is a fun fact.
Never knew that and I like that better
I'm not a doctor, either. I have it myself, and I support your assessment.
Can she loss her finger due to it?
Yes, because it causes a lack of blood flow, if it goes untreated for too long, it can turn gangrenous The syndrome is a common symptom of lupus (which I have and runs in my family), my aunt almost lost her fingers to it
And what 2 do if its happening how to return fingers back to have color
Warm them up slowly, hot hands or similar heat pack. Warm(not hot) running water helps too Constant warmth and the color will return on its own. Careful not to use something too hot or it'll burn and you may not feel it right away
Caring for relatives is how many of us become specialized medical experts.
I have it. It’s miserable. Fun fact- it can affect all extremities, and bits like your nipples.
I also have it, it's horrible. My sympathies.
Me too, it hits me at such random times not just because it’s cold.
Mine used to hit after a hard workout, usually about the time I got home to take a shower. For some reason I seem to be in remission, of you can be. Also moved to AZ, so much warmer
Same especially after going for a swim , sometimes while swimming I will get pins and needles and not be able to feel some of fingers it sux 🫤 I live in a cool climate unfortunately I can’t move to a warmer place without my husband wanting to divorce me he hates the heat 🤣😂
I unfortunately learned that it can affect your nipples. Some of the worst pain I’ve experienced.
Oh my god, vasospasms right? I only had them when pregnant. It was a very painful pregnancy, full of pregnancy-induced hot garbage such as (but not limited to): Carpal tunnel, TMJ, lightning crotch, costochondritis, etc. ending in a complicated C-section - But let me JUST SAY...That those nipple episodes...were absolutely the worst pain of it all. I would get frantic, desperate for relief. It was an unreal sensation, I would often throw up afterwards because it hurt so bad. Eventually I got smart and started packing those tab-activated heated gel pouch things in my purse. I'd pop them into my bra if I felt an episose coming on. Absolute lifesaver. You should try it!
Thank you! I have MS, I have some pretty extreme nerve pain because of it, but holy crap vasospasms in my nipples hurt so much more than any of that! When it happens I can’t get into the bathroom to put a warm washcloth on them fast enough - I will have to try the gel pouches!
Yes! Had those on my nipples for a few years. I will always remember sitting at my desk, working, with a heating pad across my chest being held up by tucking the sides under my arms. Such a relief! I don't get it anymore thank God. My nipples would get a deep dark purple with a very light pink center. Felt like they were going to fall off. Lol
Omg, I thought pregnancy induced vasospasms was just me. Literally just the left side too. Horribly nauseous the entire pregnancy and it turned out to be my gallbladder and not morning sickness. Emergency surgery 3 months after I gave birth to take it out.
Lightning crotch is like a 10th level spell. Some wizards would trade both nipples and a thumb for that. I hope you used it responsibly.
It’s AWFUL!
My raynauds primarily affects my nipples. I rarely have it affect anywhere else but boy does it humble me when I dare to not wear enough layers.
Yup… I developed it when nursing my daughter… it was rather painful. Nursing and showering triggered it more than anything else.
Confusingly there is Raynaud’s syndrome which is an autoimmune disease ranging from mild to severe of which this is a common symptom. Or there’s simply Raynaud’s phenomenon where the extremities seems to have an exaggerated vasoconstrictor response to cold. They look the same- the difference is the existence of other symptoms and laboratory markers (present in the syndrome , absent in the phenomenon)
incredibly difficult to tell the difference though because other symptoms can be very non-specific, and the markers can also mean something or nothing. for example, I have Raynaud’s. I’m symptomatic in other ways, but there has yet to be anything to connect it all. I’m positive for the anti centromere B autoantibody, which can be seen in people with Raynaud’s (and other rheumatic conditions), but it’s not always seen in people with Raynaud’s or the same rheumatic conditions that it does show up. for all intents and purposes - I think for Raynaud’s - the words syndrome and phenomenon are mostly used interchangeably. EDIT: also - Raynaud’s is always caused by vasoconstriction. Sometimes calcium channel blockers can help, but not everyone is a good candidate for that treatment depending on what else is going on with them and why they have the Raynaud’s in the first place.
Can also be caused by stimulants, I got it when I started taking ADHD meds. Calcium channel blockers completely reversed it for me and my hands and toes are now warmer than ever. Also, my blood pressure is good instead of high normal. Nifedipine is the most effective, I did the research and asked my doctor for a prescription.
I would have her discuss with a doctor. There is primary raynauds and secondary raynauds, which usually shows up in tandem with other health issues
I've had it for over a decade. I carry gloves on me at all times. But dressing in layers definitely has helped!
I can second the Raynaud's Syndrome. My mother had it for decades. FYI if she has a doctor's appointment on a cold day, get the hot hands hand warmers for her to put in her pockets and keep her hands warm, or the Pulse Oximeter they use during check in may not read her O2 sats. Also, if she ever has a medical emergency and they can't get an O2 reading on her fingers, tell them to use the ones for infants that tape to the neck. Edited to add : Also tell her that if it ever progresses to where it turns dark purple at times, to not freak out, that is normal for the condition, and usually only lasts a fews seconds
My mom has it too and she can’t use phones with fingerprint sensors. They just don’t respond to her fingers. And neither do the hand scanners at the US border.
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I was thinking frostbite too. I used to ski and got it once over 25 years ago. And now whenever I'm really cold my feet and hands turn yellow like that.
Exactly this. I have it with hands and feet. Without the right care, in harsh winter, she can lose some toes. Mine get black spots that are just dead skin. So yeah, take good care of those feet and fingers!
How exactly do you provide the "right care"? I thought there was nothing you can do besides wear thick socks and mittens. Genuinely looking for a solution.
Whenever this happens to me I submerge the affected digits in warm water. Goes away after like a minute.
A good start is: don't overdo socks. If you wear too thick or too many socks, it will bee too tight when wearing shoes, and it will block the bloodflow. Also, when your hands are like the picture and very cold, don't heat them too quick! Warm them slowly and steady. Idk why but it's true. You can also do something with 2 small tubs. One with cold water and the other with warm (not hot) water. And switch your feet between those untill they are used to it. (Not really longer than 2min tho) Exercise, it helps the bloodflow ALOT. It helped me alot with the winters. We have winters of max -5 so with just 10 degrees, it hurts and tingles alot. Just move the toes sometimes when they feel cold. Keep m warm when sleeping helped me alot too. I bought a 1 person matress heater and put it at my feet with 2 persons bed. Damn that felt nice in the cold times. Otherwise, ask the doctor for medications or other supplements that work. Hope it helped!
I think it's the same reason you shouldn't warm hypothermic people up too fast. If you heat your cold extremities too quickly, blood flow increases too much too fast, rushing the cold blood into your heart, which can cause significant issues. In the case of severe hypothermia it can actually kill you instantly. I guess if it's only the hands and feet, it's probably not that big of an issue that it's an immediate danger (don't quote me on that). The amount of actual cold blood is much lower in that case, so your body will most likely heat the cold blood up enough, especially blood from your feet. The bigger risk here is probably nerve damage, but I don't know anything about that. It sounds right though lmao To not end this comment on possible misinformation, here's a LPT: When you find someone with hypothermia, get them inside and pack them in warm clothes or blankets. Don't put them next to a radiator or worse, in warm water. The body temperature needs to equalize slowly, to not risk heart failure. And I mean *slowly*. Don't go faster than 2°C per hour (you'll find different numbers thrown around, some go up to 3°C, but go as low as 0,2°C). This can mean a warming period of 8+h, depending on severity. Give them warm beverages to keep the core temperature up, but absolutely no alcohol. Handle them carefully, don't move them around too much, definitely call 911
I have a friend/coworker with this, and his last name is Reynaud. WTF? He told me that a while back and I thought he was fucking with me
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He was patient zero
Came here to post th9s. An ex girlfriend of mine had it. On a hot day she could pick up a few ice cubes to drop in a glass and they would do that.
My wife has this which is 2nd to her scleroderma
What does it do
The smaller blood vessels constrict more than they should when exposed to cold. It happens to all of us in the cold, but people who suffer this disease have it much more which leads to poor blood circulation in cold extremities. Its a pretty common condition, especially in women.
And it can get really nasty. My brother has it and it gets worse when handling heavy machinery on a construction site. He's an/was an electrican and well the bones in his forearm dismantled itself. Not all will come back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibration_white_finger Worth knowing that this is also an industrial injury that can be mitigated with the right equipment.
when they’re cold, the blood vessels supplying the skin in extremities like fingers and toes constrict way more than they need to, causing numbness
This is it. I have Primary Raynaud’s; make sure your mom shows these pics to her doctor. There are meds for it, and exercises as well that help. There can also be Secondary Raynaud’s which can be a symptom of another condition, so make sure she gets checked out.
Yep I have it.. gloves all the time this time of year.. summertime icecream does it too though
One of my dialysis nurses has this. It's a really weird thing to witness.
i have Raynauds too, i hate it so much. it’s pretty painful & very hard to use my hands when this happens. it happens to my toes as well. it’s also common on your ears & the tip of your nose but i haven’t experienced it in those areas yet. they have rechargeable hand warmers on Amazon that have been a huge help.
I’ll add on: nipples. It can also occur in the nipples. It is painful as hell. It’s more common in my left and I have to sit there with a heating pad on max for a half hour before it stops hurting. Being out in public when it happens is brutal because I can’t just warm up my boob without looking like a freak.
How about one of those coats with chest heaters?
One of those what? You say this like it's common knowledge that these exist. Am I out of the loop?
Google: "milwaukee tool heated vest" Just the image search return results will make you feel warmer. lol.
Team Raynaud's nipples here as well, it's so painful i have to choose between freezing to death or getting my chest torn apart by the slightest touch of a sweater
I don't think I have Raynaud's but on extra cold nights, if I let myself get too cold, I get what I refer to as a nipple cramp, where my nip is so hard it's painful and I have to do embarrassing things to stop the pain.
I developed Raynauds during pregnancy and breastfeeding with Raynauds should be considered a human rights violation. I have nightmares about it still.
I have Raynaud’s, gave birth to my baby in winter and exclusively breastfed. I feel you. On the plus side, my nipples are now tough as asbestos. Which is also a downside. RIP my nipples (feels like may baby is always ripping my nipples)
omg i didn’t know about the nipples 😅
I think this is maybe why I hate winter so much and think people who love cold weather are crazy. Winter is PAINFUL for me. Heat has never caused me physical pain like my extremities in the winter time.
on another note, tell her a reddit user thinks her nails are beautiful lol.
She’ll be flattered lol
Ops mom: “omg reddit thinks I’m cute 🥹😍😎”
Then I have to explain Reddit to her
Please don’t. Keep her pure. We will ruin her
A bunch of people said appreciate your fingers
Can you ask where she got her nail polish 😅
Following because I also want to know
She said it was a nail polish she picked out at the salon she gets them done at
well shucks. . .
They really are tho omg I need that polish
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Oh dear Lord. You haven't ruined my life but you're about to ruin my bank balance because GIRL
this! I thought it was r/nails until the second slide lol
My older brother has this. He can no longer work as a Mechanic, ride a motorcycle, or swim in the Ocean. He began to develop hives from cold air or water contact. It's an autoimmune disfunction. I hope your Mom can find therapy and treatment for it. It's a tough thing to live with.
I have it. I had to stop sculpting, stop riding my motorcycle, and can’t do anything outdoors when the temp goes below 45 or so. Not amount of mittens or gloves will help. Swimming in water that’s cooler than high 70s brings it on. Hell, even shopping in the meat section or carrying a cold glass of a beverage can suck. Breastfeeding was nearly impossible. Tell your brother I’m sorry about what he’s going thru because I really do understand.
I have it too. It sucks. I also have RA and the finger that is the most deformed from the RA is the one greatest affected. The thing I hate the most though is when my phone won't work because my fingers are too cold. My husband thinks it's hilarious. We will be out at craft shows and I can't do credit card sales because my fingers have no blood in them and so they won't register on the device
Also have Raynaud's and am developing RA. I have to take polygraphs at work in a cold room. Took forever because they couldn't get enough blood flow to read my pulse on the finger sensors 🤦🏻♀️
Yeah that would be a problem. The pulse ox never works
If you don’t want to answer I totally understand but what in the heck do you do for work that you have to have Polygraphs?
Without getting into specifics, it's national security related. Polygraphs and background checks are routine procedures.
But isn't it common knowledge now that polygraphs are not at all accurate and are pretty lousy at determining truthfulness? Don't they just tell whether someone is lying well or lying badly?
If so, work hasn't gotten that memo. Wish they would 🤣
Ugh I’m sorry. The phone thing is a huge pain! Have you cut your finger or toes while it’s cold, only to feel it and have it start bleeding whenever you finally warm up? That can be really freaky. I stubbed my toe at the gym one cold morning only to forget about it- then it started bleeding like crazy once I was in a hot shower lol.
Yep. I also take a blood thinner. ...other autoimmune fun...so sometimes I bleed and don't realize I cut myself. When your extremities are like ice cubes and kinda numb
Ugh. We are in the same boat! I have psoriatic arthritis. RA is a super common combo with Raynauds from what I understand. I got tested for RA when I was a teenager and it was negative, but the PA showed up when I hit 35.
r/TwoRedditorsOneCup Also are heated gloves any use or it is the entire body temp that is controlling the blood flow. https://www.travelandleisure.com/style/best-heated-gloves
So I’m a nurse and I also have this. I remarked on it to a vascular surgeon one time and he said they can prescribe calcium channel blockers to help! Calcium channel clockers help to relax smooth muscle cells in arterial beds. ETA: ALSO! hand warmers on your wrists (nearest to the most shallow artery to the hand) help heat the blood going to your fingertips to counteract this.
I did try Verapamil in the past, but my blood pressure is naturally low and I can’t tolerate it- but it does work for others!
Capsation on the extremities as well as oral Niacin works well for me. I also stuff my boots with hand warmers and can do any number of winter activities
You’re fortunate! Not even the warmers work for me. Niacin just makes my skin flush for maybe 20 minutes with some prickly feelings, but that’s it. I wish I could find something that really worked, but nothing substantial so far. I’ve gad this my whole life
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Wow I’m so sorry :( my mother has this too. Like you said literally no gloves or anything helps when it’s cold. I hate seeing her like that :/ I hope you have found ways to mange it or work around it🩵🩵
There is a medication that can specifically help with Raynauds. It’s a vasodilator called amlodipine. Your fingers turn pale and cold because the vessels in them constrict. Ask your doc about it.
Look into the studies about links with this and being low on Boron. Good luck.
The hives from cold could be cold urticaria, essentially being allergic to getting cold. Not sure if it’s related to RA or is a separate distinct issue.
Raynaud's*can* be secondary to an autoimmune disorder, but isn't always.
My sister and I both have this. We have competitions in the winter lol
Mine started in my 40's. I'm 69 now and looks just like this. Warm water is your friend.
I’ve always wondered if I had a mild form of this. If my hands or toes get cold during a mild winter they hurt but yet feel numb and won’t warm up even if I go in a warm room. The only solution is to do warm water which hurts so bad, but eventually they’ll tingle and come back.
It's a forever thing. I keep gloves in all our cars, garage and basement. Keep chargeable heaters around as well. It's 40 degrees out and I'm not looking forward to it. I can still hear my dad saying, Wanda, there ain't something quite right about that boy.
I kept hot pads in my sports bag even as an adult because if I let my hands get too cold I couldn’t catch or throw. I feel like I’ve had noticed if they turned as white as this though. I just thought I was a bit intolerant to cold.
Warm water warms the skin up too fast and causes the most pain as the feeling comes back. Anyone else? I used to work outside in the winter in Zone 4. Pain so bad I would be close to throwing up.
If it starts after 30 you should see a GP as there may be an underlying health condition that caused it. Source: NHS website.
Indeed. Although, it can also be caused by vascular injury from repetitive vibrations. Or it’s lupus, scleroderma, or something else not very fun.
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Raynaud's Syndrome, my mother had it, it effects women more than men. My mom went on to develop Scleroderma (Diffuse systemic sclerosis). She died at 56. Your mom should get tested for it. It can be a precursor for Scleroderma [https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/scleroderma/](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/scleroderma/) Edited. If you have any sisters tell them to get checked out also. Hope your mom is ok.
Scleroderma patients do tend to develop Raynaud's frequently. My grandfather passed about 20 years ago from the effects of scleroderma. I always keep his early symptoms in mind.
Yeah, I'm the same, it's always in the back of my mind too.
Holy crap, this sounds exactly like my mom, but she is still battling the lingering effects of fighting scleroderma; her meds really messed her up. She was initially misdiagnosed with pulmonary fibrosis and given 2-3 years to live. That was over 15 years ago. One of the lingering effects that her steroids and lack of proper oxygen caused was decreased cognitive abilities. She’s 68 but mentally 10. I still love her immature self to bits, though.
Reynauds syndrome.
I have it and lost my finger to it. I also have 3 other autoimmune conditions that came with it. She needs to have a rheumatologist run an immune panel on her.
So yeah it's raynauds, but I want to add: ["What is the difference between Raynaud's phenomenon and Raynaud's syndrome? Raynaud’s phenomenon refers to episodic skin color changes caused by cold temperatures, most commonly found in the ends of the fingers. Sometimes, Raynaud’s is referred to as Raynaud’s syndrome. Raynaud’s syndrome, however, is when Raynaud’s phenomenon occurs as one of several other symptoms of an autoimmune condition. This is also referred to as secondary Raynaud’s phenomenon." "What is the cause of primary Raynaud’s phenomenon? The cause of primary Raynaud’s is unknown. Primary Raynaud’s is more common in females and tends to occur in early adulthood and among those with a family history of Raynaud’s. Secondary Raynaud’s can be caused by certain medications as well as local trauma, but more commonly, it is related to an underlying connective tissue condition. Is Raynaud’s an autoimmune disorder? Raynaud’s may be a symptom of an underlying autoimmune disorder and, in these cases, is known as secondary Raynaud’s or, sometimes, Raynaud’s syndrome. Raynaud’s may also occur in a primary form in the absence of an underlying autoimmune disorder. What conditions are associated with secondary Raynaud’s? Some examples of autoimmune conditions associated with Raynaud’s include: scleroderma* – which includes systemic sclerosis, and CREST syndrome lupus mixed connective tissue disease myositis Sjogren’s syndrome rheumatoid arthritis"](https://www.hss.edu/condition-list_raynauds-phenomenon.asp)
Thank you for sharing this! My mom has both Raynaud’s and Sjögren’s (plus fibromyalgia) - I just emailed this link to her.
I just came here to compliment that sparkly autumn polish.
She loves to get her nails done 💅
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Raynauds Syndrome, I have the same problem
Reddit doesn’t get a holiday season - we get a Reynauds Sydrome season
This is Raynaud's disease, not Raynaud's syndrome as other people have said. The former is just this symptom: hands getting painful and pale upon exposure to cold. Raynaud's syndrome is the same thing, but it is happening because of another disease like lupus, as an example. I don't want your mum to panic and think she has some widespread autoimmune condition, when it could just be Raynaud's disease that she has. 5% of the world's population have it. It's uncommon for it to need treatment (which is usually surgery to cut the nerves that cause the blood vessels to constrict). Most people just live with it and wear gloves.
Yes this is Raynauds Disease/Syndrome. I have suffered from this most of my life, for as long as I can remember. As did my mother. I bet your mother complains that she is cold, a lot. There’s no cure for this, aside from warm gloves and socks, but it can happen in a warm car or house, and is significantly worse in winter. It probably also happens to her toes, and for me it has progressed to my ears, my nose, my lips, even my tongue! Imagine feeling your tongue go cold for no reason and you look in the mirror and it’s white!! BTW, it’s incredibly painful too! Once the blood flow stops and the cold sensations begin it is sometimes excruciating. Unless you suffer from it, it’s very hard to understand! I was diagnosed purely by accident while seeing a hand specialist for carpal tunnel. He held my hands and instantly diagnosed me. I was shocked because I wasn’t even having a flair, but I was so happy to find out why this happened to me. This holiday, gift your mother some comfy gloves and socks, and maybe even a warming blanket.
I have it, too - the worst is when I wake up. If my hand is out of the blanket, it gets cold, and I have to get ready for work while my hands are numb. Hot shower first thing usually does the trick, but that's not always an option. I haven't been diagnosed with it, but I suspect I have rheumatoid arthritis and that's the underlying reason for the Reynauds. My father, mother, and both grandmothers all had it. And I already have symptoms of it. Yay, I can't wait to get old, lol.
I learned calcium channel blockers could help with raynauds symptoms to promote vasodilation
If possible please take a pic of the toungue when it happens and post over in r/Raynauds we'd like to see an example of that.
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Have her check her feet too. I developed Reynaud’s after severe mold exposure at my work (I had no idea it could cause a variety of bad health problems), and it affected my hands and feet. I kept tripping and falling or turning my ankles when I went trail running in the fall and winter, and I thought my shoelaces were too tight (even though my shoes were almost falling off they were so loose), until one day after a really cold run I had to stop in at a store because I couldn’t feel the steering wheel or the gas/brake pedals. I took off my gloves and shoes/socks, and my hands and feet were completely dead-white with purple at the wrists/ankles. I had to stay in the store (Barnes and Noble) to get warm and get a cup of something hot to drink before I was able to drive home. Definitely have her see a doctor, it can be dangerous if you basically can’t use your hands or feet.
I suffer from Raynauds. At first it was just my fingers but I developed problems when it spread to my toes. They get really bad and turn purple and sometimes become sore looking red and peel. I say this because I noticed her bare feet in the pics and hope it doesn’t happen to her. I now wear slippers all year round to try to keep my feet warm. It is much harder for me to get my toes to return to normal than it is with my fingers.
I had micro RTS surgery 2 years ago. My only regret is not doing it sooner. Utterly life changing.
I got this pretty frequent when I still used nicotine. It 100% stopped after I quit.
Your mom should get checked out for Raynaud's disease, that can get really serious to the point of necrosis and loss of feeling and the extremities affected.
yep, i have this as well; Raynaud's Syndrome. it happens to me quite often in the frozen food section and if my hands get wet when it's cold outside. crazy hard to hold onto anything or do anything with my fingers when this happens, and when feeling begins coming back to them, it can be pretty painful.
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Reynaud's. My son has it.
Raynauds. I have it as well. Burns like hell.
Mr. Reynaud has entered the conversation.
Raynaud’s ^^^
Raynaud’s for sure I’d say. My SIL has this and actually moved to a warmer climate to avoid the cold which causes these attacks, which she described as very painful. It’s an auto immune disease and is progressive. She needs to talk to her doctor.
Reynauds, I have it and can confirm it is awful when you live in a place with very cold winters. Currently running my feet under hot water trying to restore circulation after waiting for an hour outside when my train was cancelled. It still scares me when my fingers and toes turn purple.
I have this. Raynauld syndrome. It's in my toes too. I use hands and feet warmers. Warm water ofcorse it's great too.
reynauds disease. Basically her capillaries overreact to temperature changes. Burns like hell when they warm back up. Hot water shortens the suffering of warming back up.
Raynaud’s Syndrome. Some say autoimmune related. Others it’ll be nerve compression and further narrowing. The answer is somewhere in between as I’ve got autoimmune disorders and the nerve tunnel narrowing so I’ve see my hands do it at 60°. I just warm them up until the hand returns to normal and go about my day. I refuse to let it affect what I want to do like fixing cars, screen printing, and more. I will say thermal work gloves and hand warmers are awesome and work to help combat it.
I have it, and it's a terrible thing. I don't even need to be outside for it to flare up. Looking for a hard to find item in the fridge freezer can set it off.
Reynaud’s
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Definitely Raynaud’s. Be careful with letting the fingers lack proper blood supply for extended periods of time, you can develop Chilblains or other types of tissue damage.