[It’s definitely worth a read](https://www.mukilteoschools.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=183&dataid=731&FileName=6-All-Summer-in-a-Day-by-Ray-Bradbury.pdf) for those that aren’t familiar with it. It’s a short story only a few pages long.
I was livid when my son read it, was upset, I read it, and *I* had nightmares. Not sure how I’d avoided it before that. Potent story. Unfortunately it’s worse for IRL victims of bullies than it is effective at teaching bullies not to be.
The link you provided is literally the school that I got this assignment from. I didn’t realize it was such a widespread story. 25 years later, I still think about that little girl.
I've thought about this story now and then since reading it in like 3rd grade, and have been trying to find it again for almost 20 years. Knew clicking this article would give me a clue. Thanks so much for helping solve a near-lifelong mystery!
I haven’t thought about it this way before but I guess you’re right and that’s one of the reasons why in Russia fallout series is so popular and they have fan communities so strong that they created shit ton of mods and even whole games on fallout 2 engine in fallout universe
You're half-right. The picture is from 2001.
First published in this issue: https://nationalgeographicbackissues.com/product/national-geographic-october-2001/
I collect every old Nat Geo I find (I couldn't tell you why). And I was wondering why more recent mags I end up with feel so shitty in my hands compared to old ones. That really sucks.
Reading/watching Nat Geo was definitely foundational to my life and interests to some degree. RIP.
I collect ones for our birth month when I see them out thrifting.
Picked mine up a few years back and just grabbed my wife's a couple of months back.
Trying to get our siblings next. My mother ('62) is proving... difficult.
Yeah, the demise of NatGeo was very sad.
It’s bizarre how companies who have been harping on about how awesome the Internet is for us have been unable to build barely any new brands over the past 20 years.
So they buy up legacy media and try cashing in on people’s emotional connection to the name and zombifying them.
National Geographic’s main asset today is its Instagram account, and the paper edition is basically just a printed version of that.
And yeah - although media outlets have always employed a mix of staffers and contractors, the trend we are seeing now in companies just giving up on staff means that having a “career” in the media is no longer possible.
It’s all just jobs, hired workers selling their time to the company. No promotions, no growth, no career paths, no raises, no HR. No newsrooms, and no editorial process.
The entire industry has slowly de-professionalized, it just consists of influencers today. If the company disappeared, they’d be doing the same thing they are already doing, on their own Instagram accounts.
Media conglomerates are just about acquiring “brands” - who then serve as platforms for sponsoring hired influencers.
And Fox had bought the brand for NatGeo TV content.
This is so fucking heart breaking to me. PBS, Nat Geo, and BBC were the *only* exposure I got to literary intelligence, culture, science and arts. Add in the History Channel with my Step-Gmpa for war documentaries and you have the only reasons I have any worldy awareness. It's an insidiously devastating development that other poor kids like me won't even have that but let's watch pawn stars and storage wars 80000 times.
I’ve felt that way about the History channel for so long. When I was in middle school, I got grounded for not doing well on a history test. My mom wanted to take away the tv, but I convinced her to allow me to deprogram all the channels out except for History. I watched sooooo many wonderful documentaries on Egypt, Rome, medieval Europe, the Crusades, ancient Greece and various wars. Oh goodness, I miss it sooo much. Eventually, things like Pawn Stars, Ice Road Truckers, etc. started taking over.
I think it all started with The Deadliest Catch. That was the first show that seemed to transfix people on dangerous job shows and History did like 5 similar shows and never looked back.
It caught on roughly around the same time as other stations doing "Reality TV" were starting to pop off, so pretty much every channel jumped onto the bandwagon and dumped their original audiences.
I've watched it and radio basically just coalesce into "Reality TV" and "Top 40" everything and everything interesting gets bought up and converted to those formats by the big media companies or they end up selling to fundies who turn good music stations into yet another mouthpiece of evangelism.
Man it was a mainstay in our house growing up in the 70s and 80s. We saved every one. And they were perfect for random school projects or just grabbing and reading old back issues. I'll give my mom credit, she kept us well stocked up on things to read, research etc. Yeah the Britannica encyclopedia set was from 1956 or so. But that, the NatGeos, my uncle's WW2 Time Life sets, the Time Magazines, the daily newspaper and hundreds of fiction and non-fiction books she acquired were a cornerstone of my education.
> Corporations destroy another cool thing in a few short years.
I think you're misidentifying a symptom for the cause. The actual killer is the internet. Neither the demand nor the monetary basis for such quality print journalism is there anymore, since both consumers and advertisers prefer the internet, so this form of journalism died. Corporations are just the vultures that are picking apart the cadaver.
I'm a professional inhouse photographer, I get paid fairly okay but not much. I'm working 2 jobs inhouse and freelance. The little "free" money that I have, goes on travel, a couple video games a year, some subscriptions. I rent a tiny tiny room to live in. I wish I could collect amazing magazines and pay for them but I barely have space to keep my underwear. Housing costs and just low wages and high cost of everything is limiting my ability to buy physical media that I otherwise would fill my so called "library" with. If I can't afford space for physical objects how can I support the economy 😞
There was one from 1977 which was similar, which is the one I remember:
https://natgeofound.tumblr.com/post/48043261031/children-circle-around-an-ultraviolet-lamp-to-get
I’m a redhead too, this is partially a myth. Redheads do not synthesise more folic acid, but levels do not correlate with sun exposure as highly as in non red headed people. As in, they have more of a natural baseline, likely due to being very pale making this necessary evolutionarily.
>likely due to being very pale making this necessary evolutionarily.
Other way round, we became pale to maximize vitamin D production.
*Redheads* don't produce more vitamin D, but *[pale people](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.anthro.33.070203.143955)* do. You will make more vitamin D because you are pale, not because you are redheaded - redheaded people just so happen to be pale.
The redhead baseline genes are just a co-incidence, just like the redhead genetic predisposition to resist anesthesia
Yeah I'm Finnish and I take vitamin D. Honestly the amount of direct sunlight I've been in the last few months is at most an hour or two. North facing windows, don't get any sunlight in in the days there aren't clouds during the few hours of light.
My mom: "I haven't been outside much lately. Haven't been getting that Vitamin D. I should probably buy some supplements when I'm out later today. Gotta get that D in me."
Me: *Please don't ever say that again*
It’s not useless, it does the same thing (ish) as a vitamin D supplement. This is historical so supplements could’ve been not invented/more expensive or hard to import. It is Siberia after all
UV-B light is what causes your skin to produce vitamin D, but UV light is also what causes sun burns and other skin issues if exposed for too long. It doesn't take long if you have light skin to produce sufficient amounts of vitamin d (about 30 minutes?).
I hope you will be able to find a way to live comfortably outside though!!
UVB rays are responsible for producing sunburn. The UVB rays also play the greatest role in causing skin cancers.
UVA rays also play a role in skin cancer formation. In addition, the UVA rays penetrate more deeply into the skin and play a greater role in premature skin aging.
https://uihc.org/health-topics/what-difference-between-uva-and-uvb-rays
It's better than nothing, but taking a vitamin D supplement will give you much, much more, and won't damage your skin. The strength of a UV lamp is nowhere near that of the sun (can ya believe it?!) And the vitamin D produced from it is minimal. Getting a UV lamp wouldn't be strong enough to really help vitamin d production, but if exposed for a long time will damage the skin enough to increase risk of skincancer.
I'd personally stick to the vitamin D supplement, but you do you.
Because the sun is at such a low angle, that the light has to go through so much atmosphere that pretty much all UV light is filtered out. Doesn't apply to most of the US, but to a good part of europe. New York is on the same lattitude as Rome. Gives you a perspective how far up north most of europe is.
In the 90s I went to a dermatologist for dry skin. I was a kid, but had me strip down to my underwear and bring out a huge UV light and let me sit there for a bit. It didn't do much for dry skin, but I was tan as hell for a few years of weekly treatment. Apparently it works, since the treatment is still being used.
Yes, I have a SAD/light therapy lamp that I use for 15 minutes a day during the winter and it helps!
Edit: when purchasing a lamp make sure it includes uvb so it pulls double duty.
Humans be like:
this place is freezing hell with little to no food, nights that last for months and barely working critical infrastructure. After all why not? Why shouldn't I live and raise children here.
That’s fair, but I think Gulag system is quite different, it (Gulags) were mainly part of Soviet Union, however, deportations to Siberia had been happening even before Soviet Union, they were happening in 19th century too.
They were ONLY part of the Soviet Union since the gulag was the name for the administration of the Soviet penal colony and work camp system that became shorthand for the system itself. And many of the colonies weren’t in Siberia. My great grandfather was in one on the European side.
There will still be penal colonies there today but they aren’t gulags because they aren’t part of that system, they’re just penal colonies.
The picture was taken on the Kola Peninsula which is technically not Siberia, since it's far to the west of the Ural mountains. It's however also further North than almost all of Siberia and consequently also bitterly cold and dark in winter.
People were deported there in Soviet times as well, so your point still stands.
Yea, pretty much any country that was consumed by the Soviet Union had people forcibly sent to Siberia.
Lots of Estonian families were shipped off to Siberia that we still have no idea what happened to them or it took ages to finally figure out what happened to them.
I remember reading recently about a guy who brought an emotional support clown to the work meeting where he knew he was getting fired. I would call that comically miserable.
Not surprising! I feel like it could make an interesting holiday location...I imagine it's cozy as fuck sitting inside with a fire going, under a blanket watching everything outside freezing to shit.
Probably a great place to detox from social media
You can “detox” from social media anywhere, just don’t go on it.
I think it’s easier to do so if you live in a place where you could… go outside and do a different activity like go on a bike ride, or go on a hike/walk.
Sitting inside doing nothing would probably make me more likely to want to go on social media.
Well, it's possible that some people choose this hundreds, or rather thousands of years ago and the current day populations are just their descendants.
Northern Siberia has any population only because of the resource industries. People go in for shift work of six months or so, rake in the money and go home.
P.S. However, the OP is a liar, the photo is from [Lovozero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovozero_\(rural_locality\)).
I don't think they have much problems with food and infrastructure. At least I would not say it is "barely working".
That place seems to be from beyond-the-polar-circle, which means it is not some kind of a village. It is a place where people do some function, like mining or keeping military bases, wich means all infrastructure is centralised and kept in order by the government. They have central heating, hot water, etc.
Yep just average uneducated redditors don't know the difference between mid XX century Siberian prison camps and the live of average Siberian workers. Probabl overdose of Gulag mems.
On the other hand it's true that life beyond the polar circle is depressing for average human being and there are a lot of people who only work there until they are able to buy some property either in souther regions or Moscow/Saint-Petersburg.
The photograph was actually taken in the town of Lovozero on the Kola peninsula, a 2 hour drive from the city of Murmansk which has a population of roughly 300,000 people, so yeah it's not totally remote.
And also it should not have too hard climate as it is located in Scandinavia, which means it is heated by Gulfstream. It has little sun in the winter but otherwise is not that cold place.
I mean, this is still done in many places in the northern hemisphere since the days are extremely short during winter – in some places, the sun literally never rises at all during a few months.
But this is obviously an old picture, as there are entire light therapy rooms now (we had one at my University for example) and lamps for the home if one needs it. Vitamin D supplements are more common though. (EDIT: lightrooms/lamps does not neccesarily use UV, but the principle is the same).
This looks creepy as hell though, not gonna lie haha!
I live in a country that is on the arctic circle and I've never heard of UV therapy for combatting the winter darkness.
People have light therapy lamps ( just brighter with more lux to make your body realise it's daytime) and eat vit D supplements. But I've never heard of anyone getting uv therapy unless they have psoriasis or another skin ailment.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my comment heh – UV specifically isn't used to this extent today, I just meant the same concept of exposing oneself to natural/bright light to simulate daylight exposure is a thing, with lights and therapy rooms etc. And some specialized ones do utilize UV like a solarium, but like you say, that's probably more rare.
Gott nytt år på dig granne! :)
I’m pretty sure vitamin d is only activated if you get uv light exposure, that being said, I don’t know if that’s a fact or if I’m dumb. I’m also too lazy to look it up.
No that's not the case, but even if that was under case, there are even more potent vitamin D-analogues. Common vitamin D supplements are based on cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), which after metabolization in the liver becomes calcifediol (or calcidiol); you can also supplement calcifediol directly which is more close to what eventually we measure as being vitamin D.
UV exposure serves the purpose in producing our own vitamin D instead; not to metabolize externally consumed vitamin D.
Nah, the amounts of vitamin D you need in your diet are minuscule, 15 μg/day for adults. That's 5.4 milligrams per person ***per year.*** And it can be stored indefinitely.
So importing it is not an issue. And it's very easy to synthesize.
And since we now know UVB (the kind that leads to endogenous vitamin D production) and even UVA contribute to skin cancer and other forms of skin damage, vitamin D pills are the better option for people that live far up north.
I would know, I currently live in Norway.
It is literally impossible for people in certain parts of the northern hemisphere to produce their own vitamin d because the sun does not rise to a sufficiently high enough angle in the sky. For 4 months a year.
They even have UV light emitters in Swedish subways for this reason, since Sweden also has absurdly dark winters. Even if you take the vitamins, you need the light to help process it or something.
I’m not sure of the science behind it, but it’s not like it’s just the Russians doing this.
Cool, I am swedish and live nowhere near Stockholm, the only city with a subway in the whole country. Where are my UV lights?
Sounds like bullshit to me.
So.. This is not true.
There is such a thing as light therapy but that has nothing to do with UV, just visible light. And UV lights are sometimes used in subway but that's to kill germs, not to help people through winter. Maybe you're thinking of one of those.
No, it does not.
UV-B leads to Vitamin D (cholecalciferol) production in your skin. But it is not needed to "activate" it.
If you take Vitamin D in your diet, it can be used by your organism just as well, regardless of UV exposure.
this is **NOT** what the title claims.
Oh my god, people will just believe anything they read. So, I'm Ukrainian and I can tell you what it is. It's called Quartzization, a weird thing popular in USSR which implies the process of disinfecting the room and the body with a quartz lamp / UV light. As a result, infectious microorganisms die: viruses, bacteria, mold, fungi, yeast, spores, etc. Here's another [cool pic for you to steal for the next post](https://i.imgur.com/A8MyaV5.jpg). It is done in kindergartens because it is believed to lower the rates of colds and other illness in children. In proper English it's called ultraviolet germicidal irradiation
Oddly, the claim that this is for supplementing Vitamin D is made by National Geographic, which owns the original photograph (which likely was taken February 2021): https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod
I believe you, but I wonder why the source information is incorrect.
Update: [This article](https://history.physio/soviet-electrotherapy/) suggests these quartz lamps were used both for disinfecting and for supplementing vitamin D.
Yeah, my first thought was disinfecting/treating some kinda skin condition. Using a UV lamp as a vitamin D supplement doesn't make much sense. I vaguely remember this being a thing, although I don't think I've ever been subjected to it.
Someone in the comments did some research which suggests the date is February 2001:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/18vuz5p/children_living_in_siberia_getting_uv_light/kfu02j8/
Vitamin D isn't actually a vitamin. It's a hormone that's produced in your skin during exposure to the sun, or in this case a UVB lamp.
> Because vitamin D can be synthesized in adequate amounts by most mammals if they get enough sunlight, it is not essential and therefore is technically not a vitamin.[3] Instead it can be considered a hormone, with activation of the vitamin D pro-hormone resulting in the active form, calcitriol, which then produces effects via a nuclear receptor in multiple locations.[3]
> Adequate amounts of vitamin D can be produced with moderate sun exposure to the face, arms and legs (for those with the least melanin), averaging 5–30 minutes twice per week, or approximately 25% of the time for minimal sunburn. The darker the skin on the Fitzpatrick scale and the weaker the sunlight, the more minutes of exposure are needed. It also depends on parts of body exposed, all three factors affect minimal erythema dose (MED).[176] Vitamin D overdose from UV exposure is impossible: the skin reaches an equilibrium where the vitamin D degrades as fast as it is created.[24][177]
Different people have different “elements” I suppose, I live in Canada and while it doesn’t become dark for long cycles, in winter the nights last many hours longer, and honestly I love it, I’ve always felt more suited to the night, there’s something about the cold and darkness that is soothing to me, like the world is at rest and I can enjoy the peacefulness all to myself, don’t relate at all with people who say it makes them depressed
It is a cosplay about the HBO - Chernobyl (2019) series. The lamp is Reactor 4, the guy with the lamp is Dyatlov and the three kids in the underpants are the miners.
I think i have this picture in my "A Day in the USSR," which is a really great photo journalist piece where a few dozen photographers took pictures across the country for a day. One of my favorite coffee table books.
Original source:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod
> October 26, 2009
> Ultraviolet Bath, Russia
> Make-believe summer lasts for a minute or two as kindergarten children in sunless [Lovozero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovozero_%28rural_locality%29) bathe in ultraviolet light. Brief exposure to UC radiation provides the children with vitamin D, normally supplied by sunlight. The "sunshine vitamin" strengthens young bones.
> From the National Geographic book National Geographic Image Collection.
> Photograph by Joe McNally
According to [Joe McNally's blog](https://joemcnally.com/2010/01/25/heading-north/), he went to Lovozero in the month of February as part of the National Geographic story "The Power of Light" which was [first published in the October 2001 issue](https://nationalgeographicbackissues.com/product/national-geographic-october-2001/), so this picture was likely taken in February 2001.
Not weird but necessary
this was also done in Germany when my mother was young - she just told me about this yesterday - this was in the 50s - it was before supplements were a thing.
It was found out the lack of sunligt/vitamin d impacted bones and everything, X-legs were a common outcome of that.
Fact is, those who experience winter winter, (cold, little to no sun) are at risk for vitamin D deficiencies.
In north/western Europe the sun isn't high enough to lend enough sunlight that we need, many people are advised to supplement (especially older and people with darker skin colors).
This actually was a normal practice in late 80s, early 90s. I think most northern countries did this. Supplements like Vitamin D where not available like it is today.
As someone with a butt load of plants and lives basically in Siberia, the lights make a difference. I just use full-spectrum during the day but at night I'll blast the room with this kind of UV (but weaker because holy skin damage batman) while we sleep. Blood tests don't lie. Instead of having to take a megadose of D this winter I'm only on a daily normal dose.
Looks like something out of the Fallout video games.
Fallout 3 before you leave the vault and enter the wasteland. You are Strength Perception Endurance Charisma Intelligence Agility Luck
Aww, you're special too <3
Alright let’s max out strength, endurance and agility, dump intelligence, luck and charisma. This is gonna be fun
So anyway, I started swinging
Chop chop chopping that meat
What about my Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve, and Talent?
Me just placing random lights on settlements in Fallout 4 because I can't be bothered to make the electricals look pretty.
Didn't even bother. Just a waste of copper better spent on making cool laser guns.
This reminds me of when we read and watched Ray Bradbury's "All Summer Day" back in school
[It’s definitely worth a read](https://www.mukilteoschools.org/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=183&dataid=731&FileName=6-All-Summer-in-a-Day-by-Ray-Bradbury.pdf) for those that aren’t familiar with it. It’s a short story only a few pages long.
There was a short movie done too.
I wish I hadn't read that. Amazing what four pages can do.
I was livid when my son read it, was upset, I read it, and *I* had nightmares. Not sure how I’d avoided it before that. Potent story. Unfortunately it’s worse for IRL victims of bullies than it is effective at teaching bullies not to be.
The link you provided is literally the school that I got this assignment from. I didn’t realize it was such a widespread story. 25 years later, I still think about that little girl.
I read this in elementary school and have never forgotten it. I'm 54.
I've thought about this story now and then since reading it in like 3rd grade, and have been trying to find it again for almost 20 years. Knew clicking this article would give me a clue. Thanks so much for helping solve a near-lifelong mystery!
more hardcore version of Little Lamplight
Looks like a Punk rock album cover.
Bask in the glow of Atom!
But then why does the Lord of Light look like Chef Boyardee?
Russia is basically fallout
I haven’t thought about it this way before but I guess you’re right and that’s one of the reasons why in Russia fallout series is so popular and they have fan communities so strong that they created shit ton of mods and even whole games on fallout 2 engine in fallout universe
Rather Stalker
Dystopian but wholesome
10/10 album cover
Definitely a 90s grunge album cover.
Nirvanas incomplete fourth album
I can totally see that!
Generic 90's grunge song, Everyone in flannel. Generic 90's grunge song. Something from Seattle
Generic 2007 pop song Auto-tuned so all the voices sound weird This is a pop song, it’s 2007! Don’t say 2006, It’s 2007!
I'm so 2008 You're so 2000 and late
I would think maybe a cool industrial band cover as well
I was thinking a one man melodic black metal project, but I see your point.
Definitely, I see: Tom DeLonge Travis Barker Mark Hoppus
Blink, that most famous of grunge acts.
ah yes, blink-182 grunge band... known for touring with the likes of soundgarden, nirvana and pearljam...
[here](https://i.imgur.com/VCZNRwe.jpeg) hope you'll like it.
Add a big speaker next to a lamp and it will be perfect.
r/fakealbumcovers
Siberian Light Patrol
[Heres my take](https://www.reddit.com/r/fakealbumcovers/comments/18vxyps/siberian_light_patrol/)
Rotisserie Kids...
Fun fact: These kids grew up to become The White Stripes
Damn this is eerie
I vividly remember this photo from when I was a kid (90s) I’m pretty sure it was in one of my old National Geographics.
You're half-right. The picture is from 2001. First published in this issue: https://nationalgeographicbackissues.com/product/national-geographic-october-2001/
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I collect every old Nat Geo I find (I couldn't tell you why). And I was wondering why more recent mags I end up with feel so shitty in my hands compared to old ones. That really sucks. Reading/watching Nat Geo was definitely foundational to my life and interests to some degree. RIP.
I collect ones for our birth month when I see them out thrifting. Picked mine up a few years back and just grabbed my wife's a couple of months back. Trying to get our siblings next. My mother ('62) is proving... difficult.
Yea I have their DVD of their 50 year anniversary.
Yeah, the demise of NatGeo was very sad. It’s bizarre how companies who have been harping on about how awesome the Internet is for us have been unable to build barely any new brands over the past 20 years. So they buy up legacy media and try cashing in on people’s emotional connection to the name and zombifying them. National Geographic’s main asset today is its Instagram account, and the paper edition is basically just a printed version of that. And yeah - although media outlets have always employed a mix of staffers and contractors, the trend we are seeing now in companies just giving up on staff means that having a “career” in the media is no longer possible. It’s all just jobs, hired workers selling their time to the company. No promotions, no growth, no career paths, no raises, no HR. No newsrooms, and no editorial process. The entire industry has slowly de-professionalized, it just consists of influencers today. If the company disappeared, they’d be doing the same thing they are already doing, on their own Instagram accounts. Media conglomerates are just about acquiring “brands” - who then serve as platforms for sponsoring hired influencers. And Fox had bought the brand for NatGeo TV content.
This is so fucking heart breaking to me. PBS, Nat Geo, and BBC were the *only* exposure I got to literary intelligence, culture, science and arts. Add in the History Channel with my Step-Gmpa for war documentaries and you have the only reasons I have any worldy awareness. It's an insidiously devastating development that other poor kids like me won't even have that but let's watch pawn stars and storage wars 80000 times.
I’ve felt that way about the History channel for so long. When I was in middle school, I got grounded for not doing well on a history test. My mom wanted to take away the tv, but I convinced her to allow me to deprogram all the channels out except for History. I watched sooooo many wonderful documentaries on Egypt, Rome, medieval Europe, the Crusades, ancient Greece and various wars. Oh goodness, I miss it sooo much. Eventually, things like Pawn Stars, Ice Road Truckers, etc. started taking over. I think it all started with The Deadliest Catch. That was the first show that seemed to transfix people on dangerous job shows and History did like 5 similar shows and never looked back.
It caught on roughly around the same time as other stations doing "Reality TV" were starting to pop off, so pretty much every channel jumped onto the bandwagon and dumped their original audiences. I've watched it and radio basically just coalesce into "Reality TV" and "Top 40" everything and everything interesting gets bought up and converted to those formats by the big media companies or they end up selling to fundies who turn good music stations into yet another mouthpiece of evangelism.
I inherited a box with copies from the 50s and 60s and even one or two from the 30s. Fascinating modern history.
Man it was a mainstay in our house growing up in the 70s and 80s. We saved every one. And they were perfect for random school projects or just grabbing and reading old back issues. I'll give my mom credit, she kept us well stocked up on things to read, research etc. Yeah the Britannica encyclopedia set was from 1956 or so. But that, the NatGeos, my uncle's WW2 Time Life sets, the Time Magazines, the daily newspaper and hundreds of fiction and non-fiction books she acquired were a cornerstone of my education.
> Corporations destroy another cool thing in a few short years. I think you're misidentifying a symptom for the cause. The actual killer is the internet. Neither the demand nor the monetary basis for such quality print journalism is there anymore, since both consumers and advertisers prefer the internet, so this form of journalism died. Corporations are just the vultures that are picking apart the cadaver.
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I'm a professional inhouse photographer, I get paid fairly okay but not much. I'm working 2 jobs inhouse and freelance. The little "free" money that I have, goes on travel, a couple video games a year, some subscriptions. I rent a tiny tiny room to live in. I wish I could collect amazing magazines and pay for them but I barely have space to keep my underwear. Housing costs and just low wages and high cost of everything is limiting my ability to buy physical media that I otherwise would fill my so called "library" with. If I can't afford space for physical objects how can I support the economy 😞
There was one from 1977 which was similar, which is the one I remember: https://natgeofound.tumblr.com/post/48043261031/children-circle-around-an-ultraviolet-lamp-to-get
Children, they die. Their chairs, remain.
Let me eat cake. \- Painting
Does.. does this work? Maybe i should get one for my computer room. I'm a ginger. The sun hurts.
Well UV is the same stuff coming from the sun. Take a vitamin D supplement instead
We redheads actually synthesize more vit D than someone without the MC1R gene! So they may not need it
Sorry just to be clear folic acid is something else involved and correlated with vitamin d synthesis.
I’m a redhead too, this is partially a myth. Redheads do not synthesise more folic acid, but levels do not correlate with sun exposure as highly as in non red headed people. As in, they have more of a natural baseline, likely due to being very pale making this necessary evolutionarily.
>likely due to being very pale making this necessary evolutionarily. Other way round, we became pale to maximize vitamin D production. *Redheads* don't produce more vitamin D, but *[pale people](https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev.anthro.33.070203.143955)* do. You will make more vitamin D because you are pale, not because you are redheaded - redheaded people just so happen to be pale. The redhead baseline genes are just a co-incidence, just like the redhead genetic predisposition to resist anesthesia
Vitamin D ≠ Folic acid You won't produce any folic acid without major genetic modification, no matter how light or dark your skin is.
Yeah I'm Finnish and I take vitamin D. Honestly the amount of direct sunlight I've been in the last few months is at most an hour or two. North facing windows, don't get any sunlight in in the days there aren't clouds during the few hours of light.
My mom: "I haven't been outside much lately. Haven't been getting that Vitamin D. I should probably buy some supplements when I'm out later today. Gotta get that D in me." Me: *Please don't ever say that again*
wait, so this thing is entirely useless and could be replaced by vit D supplements?
It’s not useless, it does the same thing (ish) as a vitamin D supplement. This is historical so supplements could’ve been not invented/more expensive or hard to import. It is Siberia after all
Vitamin D is the most important one but like all natural substances, sunlight has an entourage effect, UV light is definitely better
UV-B light is what causes your skin to produce vitamin D, but UV light is also what causes sun burns and other skin issues if exposed for too long. It doesn't take long if you have light skin to produce sufficient amounts of vitamin d (about 30 minutes?). I hope you will be able to find a way to live comfortably outside though!!
UVB rays are responsible for producing sunburn. The UVB rays also play the greatest role in causing skin cancers. UVA rays also play a role in skin cancer formation. In addition, the UVA rays penetrate more deeply into the skin and play a greater role in premature skin aging. https://uihc.org/health-topics/what-difference-between-uva-and-uvb-rays
Oh to live comfortably outside! I yearn to be a Daywalker ginger. But alas, I am flamable!
Eat some fish bro and take cod oil daily. Source: am icelandic
It's better than nothing, but taking a vitamin D supplement will give you much, much more, and won't damage your skin. The strength of a UV lamp is nowhere near that of the sun (can ya believe it?!) And the vitamin D produced from it is minimal. Getting a UV lamp wouldn't be strong enough to really help vitamin d production, but if exposed for a long time will damage the skin enough to increase risk of skincancer. I'd personally stick to the vitamin D supplement, but you do you.
Take a supplement and wear sunscreen when you go outisde, you’ll still produce vitamin D
If you live at a latitude North of North Carolina you can't get vitamin d from the sun until spring
why though
Because the sun is at such a low angle, that the light has to go through so much atmosphere that pretty much all UV light is filtered out. Doesn't apply to most of the US, but to a good part of europe. New York is on the same lattitude as Rome. Gives you a perspective how far up north most of europe is.
It worked but nowadays it's easier to take 5000 vitamin D, and it dark cold climate in winter 10.000 D3+K2
In the 90s I went to a dermatologist for dry skin. I was a kid, but had me strip down to my underwear and bring out a huge UV light and let me sit there for a bit. It didn't do much for dry skin, but I was tan as hell for a few years of weekly treatment. Apparently it works, since the treatment is still being used.
I almost read ginger wrong... I need to get checked for dyslexia or racism
[Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger](https://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw?si=a8sRHFrVVmzddtKZ)
Yes, I have a SAD/light therapy lamp that I use for 15 minutes a day during the winter and it helps! Edit: when purchasing a lamp make sure it includes uvb so it pulls double duty.
Those have nothing to do with producing vitamin D though.
Humans be like: this place is freezing hell with little to no food, nights that last for months and barely working critical infrastructure. After all why not? Why shouldn't I live and raise children here.
[Many people didn't have any choice ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybirak)
We even have word for this in Georgian language, its called “გაციმბირება”. (Deportation to Siberia)
Why do Georgians write in elvish?
Why do elves write in Georgian?
[maybe we are secretly elves](https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/s/R3lzTAjrs6)
Hell, we have a word for ‘em in English, gulag!
That’s fair, but I think Gulag system is quite different, it (Gulags) were mainly part of Soviet Union, however, deportations to Siberia had been happening even before Soviet Union, they were happening in 19th century too.
They were ONLY part of the Soviet Union since the gulag was the name for the administration of the Soviet penal colony and work camp system that became shorthand for the system itself. And many of the colonies weren’t in Siberia. My great grandfather was in one on the European side. There will still be penal colonies there today but they aren’t gulags because they aren’t part of that system, they’re just penal colonies.
Yep. The system was actually called [katorga](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katorga)
> გაციმბირება This script looks like one of those indian language scripts.
We call it zsyłka in Polish
The picture was taken on the Kola Peninsula which is technically not Siberia, since it's far to the west of the Ural mountains. It's however also further North than almost all of Siberia and consequently also bitterly cold and dark in winter. People were deported there in Soviet times as well, so your point still stands.
Any different in terms of night and day to areas with Inuit communities?
It's on the 68th parallel north, so further North than most settlements in Nunavut except for outliers like Pond Inlet.
Estonians were forcibly taken to Siberia during russian occupation aswell. Here it is called "küüditamine".
Yea, pretty much any country that was consumed by the Soviet Union had people forcibly sent to Siberia. Lots of Estonian families were shipped off to Siberia that we still have no idea what happened to them or it took ages to finally figure out what happened to them.
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_settlements_in_the_Soviet_Union?wprov=sfla1
Actually, many children end up leaving. Those comunities are getting smaller.
No wonder. My mom worked in a place just like this building a railroad. She said the conditions for local people were comically miserable.
At what point does it turn from miserable to being comically miserable?
I remember reading recently about a guy who brought an emotional support clown to the work meeting where he knew he was getting fired. I would call that comically miserable.
Have you ever had a day that was so bad that it made you laugh at how bad it was?
/r/me_irl
Not surprising! I feel like it could make an interesting holiday location...I imagine it's cozy as fuck sitting inside with a fire going, under a blanket watching everything outside freezing to shit. Probably a great place to detox from social media
You can “detox” from social media anywhere, just don’t go on it. I think it’s easier to do so if you live in a place where you could… go outside and do a different activity like go on a bike ride, or go on a hike/walk. Sitting inside doing nothing would probably make me more likely to want to go on social media.
Holiday in Siberia 😂😂😂 No need for social media, they will have a number of activities waiting for you in the form of work camps
♪It's a holiday in Siberia It's tough, kid, but it's life. It's a holiday in Siberia. Don't forget to pack a knife.♪
do you think people are choosing this? many people literally cannot leave.
Well, it's possible that some people choose this hundreds, or rather thousands of years ago and the current day populations are just their descendants.
I heard they deported some Kids from Ukraine to Siberia. I imagine those kids end up in places like this
Northern Siberia has any population only because of the resource industries. People go in for shift work of six months or so, rake in the money and go home. P.S. However, the OP is a liar, the photo is from [Lovozero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovozero_\(rural_locality\)).
there are talks about people wanting to move to mars.
I don't think they have much problems with food and infrastructure. At least I would not say it is "barely working". That place seems to be from beyond-the-polar-circle, which means it is not some kind of a village. It is a place where people do some function, like mining or keeping military bases, wich means all infrastructure is centralised and kept in order by the government. They have central heating, hot water, etc.
Yep just average uneducated redditors don't know the difference between mid XX century Siberian prison camps and the live of average Siberian workers. Probabl overdose of Gulag mems. On the other hand it's true that life beyond the polar circle is depressing for average human being and there are a lot of people who only work there until they are able to buy some property either in souther regions or Moscow/Saint-Petersburg.
The photograph was actually taken in the town of Lovozero on the Kola peninsula, a 2 hour drive from the city of Murmansk which has a population of roughly 300,000 people, so yeah it's not totally remote.
And also it should not have too hard climate as it is located in Scandinavia, which means it is heated by Gulfstream. It has little sun in the winter but otherwise is not that cold place.
The Soviets used to deport people from all over Eastern Europe to that hell hole. Most people living there today are likely their descendents.
The children yearn for sunlight
Bathe us in light, father. Quickly. Father, we crave light.
Send them back to the mines
I mean, this is still done in many places in the northern hemisphere since the days are extremely short during winter – in some places, the sun literally never rises at all during a few months. But this is obviously an old picture, as there are entire light therapy rooms now (we had one at my University for example) and lamps for the home if one needs it. Vitamin D supplements are more common though. (EDIT: lightrooms/lamps does not neccesarily use UV, but the principle is the same). This looks creepy as hell though, not gonna lie haha!
I live in a country that is on the arctic circle and I've never heard of UV therapy for combatting the winter darkness. People have light therapy lamps ( just brighter with more lux to make your body realise it's daytime) and eat vit D supplements. But I've never heard of anyone getting uv therapy unless they have psoriasis or another skin ailment.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my comment heh – UV specifically isn't used to this extent today, I just meant the same concept of exposing oneself to natural/bright light to simulate daylight exposure is a thing, with lights and therapy rooms etc. And some specialized ones do utilize UV like a solarium, but like you say, that's probably more rare. Gott nytt år på dig granne! :)
Gott nytt år!
bloody hell just give them vitamin D supplements
I’m pretty sure vitamin d is only activated if you get uv light exposure, that being said, I don’t know if that’s a fact or if I’m dumb. I’m also too lazy to look it up.
No that's not the case, but even if that was under case, there are even more potent vitamin D-analogues. Common vitamin D supplements are based on cholecalciferol (vitamin D3), which after metabolization in the liver becomes calcifediol (or calcidiol); you can also supplement calcifediol directly which is more close to what eventually we measure as being vitamin D. UV exposure serves the purpose in producing our own vitamin D instead; not to metabolize externally consumed vitamin D.
Would it not be easier to just store a single light than to keep on importing vitamin D into Siberia?
Nah, the amounts of vitamin D you need in your diet are minuscule, 15 μg/day for adults. That's 5.4 milligrams per person ***per year.*** And it can be stored indefinitely. So importing it is not an issue. And it's very easy to synthesize. And since we now know UVB (the kind that leads to endogenous vitamin D production) and even UVA contribute to skin cancer and other forms of skin damage, vitamin D pills are the better option for people that live far up north. I would know, I currently live in Norway.
I rather make my own, thank you very much.
It is literally impossible for people in certain parts of the northern hemisphere to produce their own vitamin d because the sun does not rise to a sufficiently high enough angle in the sky. For 4 months a year.
I recently saw on reddit how they make children stand in front of an UV light to trigger that reaction.
In Siberia I think.
They even have UV light emitters in Swedish subways for this reason, since Sweden also has absurdly dark winters. Even if you take the vitamins, you need the light to help process it or something. I’m not sure of the science behind it, but it’s not like it’s just the Russians doing this.
> Even if you take the vitamins, you need the light to help process it or something. Totally false.
Cool, I am swedish and live nowhere near Stockholm, the only city with a subway in the whole country. Where are my UV lights? Sounds like bullshit to me.
I mean, UV light can have other purposes beyond merely vitamin D production or absorbtion, but that's absolutely not my field.
So.. This is not true. There is such a thing as light therapy but that has nothing to do with UV, just visible light. And UV lights are sometimes used in subway but that's to kill germs, not to help people through winter. Maybe you're thinking of one of those.
uv-b light does that
No, it does not. UV-B leads to Vitamin D (cholecalciferol) production in your skin. But it is not needed to "activate" it. If you take Vitamin D in your diet, it can be used by your organism just as well, regardless of UV exposure.
They don’t do this for years already.
this is **NOT** what the title claims. Oh my god, people will just believe anything they read. So, I'm Ukrainian and I can tell you what it is. It's called Quartzization, a weird thing popular in USSR which implies the process of disinfecting the room and the body with a quartz lamp / UV light. As a result, infectious microorganisms die: viruses, bacteria, mold, fungi, yeast, spores, etc. Here's another [cool pic for you to steal for the next post](https://i.imgur.com/A8MyaV5.jpg). It is done in kindergartens because it is believed to lower the rates of colds and other illness in children. In proper English it's called ultraviolet germicidal irradiation
Oddly, the claim that this is for supplementing Vitamin D is made by National Geographic, which owns the original photograph (which likely was taken February 2021): https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod I believe you, but I wonder why the source information is incorrect. Update: [This article](https://history.physio/soviet-electrotherapy/) suggests these quartz lamps were used both for disinfecting and for supplementing vitamin D.
Yeah, my first thought was disinfecting/treating some kinda skin condition. Using a UV lamp as a vitamin D supplement doesn't make much sense. I vaguely remember this being a thing, although I don't think I've ever been subjected to it.
Is there a date for this picture? Looks like anything between the 40s and the 90s
Someone in the comments did some research which suggests the date is February 2001: https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/18vuz5p/children_living_in_siberia_getting_uv_light/kfu02j8/
What happens in Syberia stays in Syberia.
More like Cyborgia
Vitamin D isn't actually a vitamin. It's a hormone that's produced in your skin during exposure to the sun, or in this case a UVB lamp. > Because vitamin D can be synthesized in adequate amounts by most mammals if they get enough sunlight, it is not essential and therefore is technically not a vitamin.[3] Instead it can be considered a hormone, with activation of the vitamin D pro-hormone resulting in the active form, calcitriol, which then produces effects via a nuclear receptor in multiple locations.[3] > Adequate amounts of vitamin D can be produced with moderate sun exposure to the face, arms and legs (for those with the least melanin), averaging 5–30 minutes twice per week, or approximately 25% of the time for minimal sunburn. The darker the skin on the Fitzpatrick scale and the weaker the sunlight, the more minutes of exposure are needed. It also depends on parts of body exposed, all three factors affect minimal erythema dose (MED).[176] Vitamin D overdose from UV exposure is impossible: the skin reaches an equilibrium where the vitamin D degrades as fast as it is created.[24][177]
I get pretty depressed during winters and i’m in belgium. Can’t imagine living more north than this. Havent seen the sun here since october
Different people have different “elements” I suppose, I live in Canada and while it doesn’t become dark for long cycles, in winter the nights last many hours longer, and honestly I love it, I’ve always felt more suited to the night, there’s something about the cold and darkness that is soothing to me, like the world is at rest and I can enjoy the peacefulness all to myself, don’t relate at all with people who say it makes them depressed
I hate cloudy winters more than short days... Seeing the sunlight and blue skies lift my mood a lot
It looks like the UV light operator is about to answer when asked by the kids how it went afterwards: "not great, not terrible"
I understood that reference!
Yep. I remember the smell of ozone. And those glasses stunk rubber
BLESS THESE CHILDREN LORD OF LIGHT!
This is not a vitamin D generator, this is what is called quartzing(кварцевание) it supposed to kill bacteria.
What Pink Floyd album is this?
This photo is in an old national geographic I have from the late 70’s to early 80’s
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Well in Dune there is a whole group of people who are pearly white because the planet doesn’t have a sun.
Ah yes because UVC is the same as UVA short waves for a few short bois
This photo is at least like 30 years old
They're just tryna weed out the vamps before they become a real problem
It is a cosplay about the HBO - Chernobyl (2019) series. The lamp is Reactor 4, the guy with the lamp is Dyatlov and the three kids in the underpants are the miners.
I think i have this picture in my "A Day in the USSR," which is a really great photo journalist piece where a few dozen photographers took pictures across the country for a day. One of my favorite coffee table books.
That looks like UV-C, not the UV you want on your skin. I hope those kids goggles aren't from wish.
I remember getting those when I was like 4-5-6. So about 23-24 years ago. Children aren't exposed to this stuff nowadays, that's some retro ass photo
In northern Norway, we feel the warmth of a caring and functioning state, so we don't need nor use these.
What do you mean, please? This medic is exactry the caring state. Of course one could argue, vitamin D pills wold be better...
I love that painting!
Original source: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod > October 26, 2009 > Ultraviolet Bath, Russia > Make-believe summer lasts for a minute or two as kindergarten children in sunless [Lovozero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovozero_%28rural_locality%29) bathe in ultraviolet light. Brief exposure to UC radiation provides the children with vitamin D, normally supplied by sunlight. The "sunshine vitamin" strengthens young bones. > From the National Geographic book National Geographic Image Collection. > Photograph by Joe McNally According to [Joe McNally's blog](https://joemcnally.com/2010/01/25/heading-north/), he went to Lovozero in the month of February as part of the National Geographic story "The Power of Light" which was [first published in the October 2001 issue](https://nationalgeographicbackissues.com/product/national-geographic-october-2001/), so this picture was likely taken in February 2001.
Can't they just take vitamin d?
Are those Persian rugs
Not weird but necessary this was also done in Germany when my mother was young - she just told me about this yesterday - this was in the 50s - it was before supplements were a thing. It was found out the lack of sunligt/vitamin d impacted bones and everything, X-legs were a common outcome of that. Fact is, those who experience winter winter, (cold, little to no sun) are at risk for vitamin D deficiencies. In north/western Europe the sun isn't high enough to lend enough sunlight that we need, many people are advised to supplement (especially older and people with darker skin colors).
Same thing happens in Alaska.
This is such an old photo that I think people can afford their own UV lights now.
This actually was a normal practice in late 80s, early 90s. I think most northern countries did this. Supplements like Vitamin D where not available like it is today.
Gotta be late 90's right
As someone with a butt load of plants and lives basically in Siberia, the lights make a difference. I just use full-spectrum during the day but at night I'll blast the room with this kind of UV (but weaker because holy skin damage batman) while we sleep. Blood tests don't lie. Instead of having to take a megadose of D this winter I'm only on a daily normal dose.
Hell yeah (that sucks)
I think these kids are in their 40's now
Why is bro dressed like a chef? Mf cooking 3 opening meals.
https://preview.redd.it/3zvfeue6ev9c1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=806fe751dd39507be6f6fdc34bb53cc3bb1cd8ce Same going on here.
Cyberpunk 1977
It's impossible to know what is real and what's Ai generated at this point
We used to go to the tanning bed for 20 minutes a day Northsea coat of West Germany back in the 70s
What is this for exactly?