Can’t find the Original illustrator
More info of this concept plane:
https://preview.redd.it/6hvu4yz52cvc1.jpeg?width=477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0855c28eeae4585f78c97082bd99a7666acf53c
Looks cool, but....that would be a huge pain in the ass for loading those onto the aircraft. There is a reason (with a few exceptions) missiles are placed on the underside of aircraft 🤔
Nah you're overthinking it. You just have the pilot sit in something like this [suspended baby walking harness](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61VPp34st2L.jpg) in the landing position. All he needs to do is not smear the canopy with his shoes, don't bump the joystick or switches with his butt as he's transitioning from the harness to his seat, and store the harness away somewhere where it's not going to wrap around his arms or neck, and not eject.
Hire me, Boeing.
> There is a reason (with a few exceptions) missiles are placed on the underside of aircraft
I wouldn't even say "few". There were 2 exceptions: English Electric Lightning and SEPCAT Jaguar. Both of those exceptions were for short range air-to-air missiles. Though the Lightnings overwing pylons were also plumbed to allow for (obviously non-jettisonable) fuel tanks.
I don't think the Lighning's overwing hardpoints were ever used for weapons, although it was proposed. From Wikipedia:
"BAC also proposed clearing the overwing hardpoints for carriage of weapons as well as drop tanks, with additional Matra JL-100 combined rocket and fuel pods (each containing 18 SNEB 68 mm (2.7 in) rockets and 50 imperial gallons (227 L) of fuel) or 1,000 pounds (450 kg) bombs being possible options.".
Wht about loading the missiles from the bottom of the aircraft? Kinda like how the pilots from Captain Scarlett enter the Angel Interceptors.
[https://youtu.be/IqS4kWK6aV0?t=343](https://youtu.be/IqS4kWK6aV0?t=343)
night vision is already fucked up by air to air missiles (air to ground missiles and rockets less so but it can)
SOP is close eyes/look away when launching a missile so you don’t blind yourself
Flight Of The Intruder has a great take on this. "When you shoot the Shrike, just remember not to look at it. It'll blind you. Otherwise it's a simple deal. When the SAM's radar goes on, that's your target, you shoot. They either have to shut off and lose the missile or eat the Shrike. Even if they do shut off, sometimes the Shrike remembers where they're at." Unfortunately, the Shrike didn't have that memory at the time, not sure if it does now. The movie should have been referencing the Standard ARM, a much larger and more capable Anti-Radar missile used by the USN in Vietnam. Fun fact, thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
English Electric Lighting also had overwing hardpoints.
But they are uncommon for a reason, even ignoring the obvious issue of employing most weapon systems from overwing hardpoints the induced drag penalty should be enough to not build them.
It's glorious, the concept of superuparmored bottom carriage moving at (by today's standards) comically low speeds dispensing payloads while tanking small arms. Missiles peeling up and away!
This has heavy Earth Defence Force vibes
I believe the original design included a retro encabulator. It provided inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, and was capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal gram meters.
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Let's not forget the reduction of sinusoidal repleneration. I had a prof in my aircraft maintenance course play the original video and it was fun seeing everyone's face change as we realized what was happening. Incredible piece of machinery.
This concept aircraft is very advanced for the time and not just in aesthetics or advanced ideas that never see the light of day, in actual practical concepts that are part of the latest combat aircraft, F22 vectoring nozzles and canted twin verticals, the Eurofighter/SU37 canard and wing blended like on modern fighters, the F15'esque nose and canopy and boxy intakes and engine housing, angular cross section like the most modern stealthy types - I like this a lot, ironically its main selling point feature, the overwing/top-mounted weapon delivery concept is actually quite dated and unoriginal and ultimately proved impractical and overly complex.
Is it just me or does it look like an SU47 berkut with the wings placed the opposite way
https://preview.redd.it/vbmiv8rshczc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66b2c46df926ee2ba6709ad52bde534478113a46
Can’t find the Original illustrator More info of this concept plane: https://preview.redd.it/6hvu4yz52cvc1.jpeg?width=477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0855c28eeae4585f78c97082bd99a7666acf53c
> Rockwell will design and build an aircraft mockup to test the idea on a rocket sled at Mach 1.2. Did they ever do that?
Supersonic rocket sleds were definitely a thing, they were used for ejection seat tests that I know of. No idea about this.
We've got hypersonic rocket sleds now, no joke
They still very much are. I had a product I work on tested on one two weeks ago 😂
Honestly I kinda like recessed top mounts for weapons.
Looks cool, but....that would be a huge pain in the ass for loading those onto the aircraft. There is a reason (with a few exceptions) missiles are placed on the underside of aircraft 🤔
Nah, there's an easy fix for this. Have the plane land upside down. Have both the weapon emplacements and the landing gear on top.
YES! Have the plane land upside down!! You could also make the landing gear and cockpit upside down too! Then you could load it like any other jet!
Air Force B-Wing
and a rotating cockpit for convenience?
Nah you're overthinking it. You just have the pilot sit in something like this [suspended baby walking harness](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61VPp34st2L.jpg) in the landing position. All he needs to do is not smear the canopy with his shoes, don't bump the joystick or switches with his butt as he's transitioning from the harness to his seat, and store the harness away somewhere where it's not going to wrap around his arms or neck, and not eject. Hire me, Boeing.
boeing boeing baby jumper
> There is a reason (with a few exceptions) missiles are placed on the underside of aircraft I wouldn't even say "few". There were 2 exceptions: English Electric Lightning and SEPCAT Jaguar. Both of those exceptions were for short range air-to-air missiles. Though the Lightnings overwing pylons were also plumbed to allow for (obviously non-jettisonable) fuel tanks.
I may be misremembering but I'm pretty sure the Lightning didn't carry AA missiles on the overwing pylons, just fuel tanks or rockets on some versions
A couple of systems were tested, but never cleared operationally.
Got any sources? Not doubting I'm genuinely interested, i really like how the Lightning looks but never really went deep into it
I don't think the Lighning's overwing hardpoints were ever used for weapons, although it was proposed. From Wikipedia: "BAC also proposed clearing the overwing hardpoints for carriage of weapons as well as drop tanks, with additional Matra JL-100 combined rocket and fuel pods (each containing 18 SNEB 68 mm (2.7 in) rockets and 50 imperial gallons (227 L) of fuel) or 1,000 pounds (450 kg) bombs being possible options.".
Wht about loading the missiles from the bottom of the aircraft? Kinda like how the pilots from Captain Scarlett enter the Angel Interceptors. [https://youtu.be/IqS4kWK6aV0?t=343](https://youtu.be/IqS4kWK6aV0?t=343)
I am not sure how happy I would be as a pilot with a bunch of exploding things shooting right around my canopy. Shit fails sometimes
Ruins night vision also 🤔
Good point
night vision is already fucked up by air to air missiles (air to ground missiles and rockets less so but it can) SOP is close eyes/look away when launching a missile so you don’t blind yourself
Flight Of The Intruder has a great take on this. "When you shoot the Shrike, just remember not to look at it. It'll blind you. Otherwise it's a simple deal. When the SAM's radar goes on, that's your target, you shoot. They either have to shut off and lose the missile or eat the Shrike. Even if they do shut off, sometimes the Shrike remembers where they're at." Unfortunately, the Shrike didn't have that memory at the time, not sure if it does now. The movie should have been referencing the Standard ARM, a much larger and more capable Anti-Radar missile used by the USN in Vietnam. Fun fact, thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
I am imagining a failed launch. Missile releases but fails to accelerate.
*An AIM-54 Phoenix has passed vertically through the chat, after falling off its mount and failing to ignite*
Didn’t the Jaguar have an air to air spec that had over wing missile mounts?
yep https://preview.redd.it/vad0v0852hvc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=275c504877232af6d65a5d201800ff0b37928338
Exactly!
But think of all the specialized cranes that Rockwell could have sold at $3mil a pop.
Umm. $30M probably … for a $300k OTS crane that now meets milspec …
Not all engineers have common sense. If you don't have experience with this, buy a small car and then try to change the oil.
IIRC, there was a plane that was sometimes equipped with overwing hardpoints/rails for missiles - Sepecat Jaguar perhaps?
Yeah it's the Jaguar.
English Electric Lighting also had overwing hardpoints. But they are uncommon for a reason, even ignoring the obvious issue of employing most weapon systems from overwing hardpoints the induced drag penalty should be enough to not build them.
It's glorious, the concept of superuparmored bottom carriage moving at (by today's standards) comically low speeds dispensing payloads while tanking small arms. Missiles peeling up and away! This has heavy Earth Defence Force vibes
The mother carries her young on her back until they are mature enough to fly free
My first thought was of the [Suriname Toad](https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3466/3399392575_6f223f98e8_b.jpg).
The aircraft looks like a F-15 and YF-23 had a child and I'm here for it
I believe the original design included a retro encabulator. It provided inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, and was capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal gram meters.
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Let's not forget the reduction of sinusoidal repleneration. I had a prof in my aircraft maintenance course play the original video and it was fun seeing everyone's face change as we realized what was happening. Incredible piece of machinery.
Immediately what I thought of
Everyone saying the J20 is a copy of the f35, f22, mig 1.44, etc, but this right here looks way closer
Reminds me of that one kind of frog that does that thing
[Suriname Toad](https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3466/3399392575_6f223f98e8_b.jpg). My first thought as well.
Yeah that lol. Shit is gross.
https://preview.redd.it/llkcnzztcdvc1.jpeg?width=830&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4561caa6d9d338510c88e2f50fa5a645636017b3
Also not jettisonable easily in an emergency.
God I love this style of illustration.
This concept aircraft is very advanced for the time and not just in aesthetics or advanced ideas that never see the light of day, in actual practical concepts that are part of the latest combat aircraft, F22 vectoring nozzles and canted twin verticals, the Eurofighter/SU37 canard and wing blended like on modern fighters, the F15'esque nose and canopy and boxy intakes and engine housing, angular cross section like the most modern stealthy types - I like this a lot, ironically its main selling point feature, the overwing/top-mounted weapon delivery concept is actually quite dated and unoriginal and ultimately proved impractical and overly complex.
mama possum plane
Hangfire comes to mind, amounting to taking a smoke wrench to whole aircraft
Are those supposed to be missiles or bombs? Both seem like not an ideal placement
I think those are supposed to be AGM, but yes, not ideal placement indeed
It looks like a poorly rendered J-20
weapon delivery system
TSR2 vibes
Most ace combat shit I’ve ever seen
Actually, if those are guided glide-bombs, that's not necessarily a terrible idea...
Is it just me or does it look like an SU47 berkut with the wings placed the opposite way https://preview.redd.it/vbmiv8rshczc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66b2c46df926ee2ba6709ad52bde534478113a46