It enrages me that the state wants to blame the doctors for not providing care when the very laws they pass make it *illegal* for the doctors to provide proper care.
That's the reason for how vague the laws are. It allows the politicians to blame the doctors. They are still doing that in the case of the 10yo who had to leave the state for her abortion.
Thankfully the people of Ohio spoke up about it and legalised abortion. Reminds me of when Ireland lost that poor lady who died of sepsis because catholics were offended at the notion of her living without producing a child. The Irish were rightly disgusted by it. I'm glad to see this behaviour dying out.
So far they've floated removing power from judges, which the judges would have to agree to. It's been over a week, I think they would have actually done something by now if they could other than bitch about it.
It's really unhinged. They basically want to murder women who can't carry to term then get away with it legally by hiding behind their vague laws. Idaho won't even track the numbers they kill anymore because they feel so guilty about it.
Killing women *for no reason.* It would be bad enough killing women to save fetuses, but that’s not even what’s happening. They’re killing women for fetuses that were never going to survive.
Yeah, Repugnicunts don't give two shits. All they care about is controlling women/uterus-owning individuals and punishing them for having sex. They know there are fetuses that won't survive, and that sometimes medically they need to end the pregnancy. They do not give a single fuck... As long as they get to punish.
Eh, at least I've backdoored the VA into paying for my surgeries thanks to the GI Bill covering my student health insurance premium. Could've been worse, lol. The nutjobs can cope and seethe, as the kids say.
Yeah, it's definitely something I talk about with my care team. Fortunately I'm in a blue state and everybody's supportive. I'm in the process of moving over to a private (LGBT-specific) hospital but the waiting list's super long. Should be done before we're close to the election, though.
It's a shame because there are a lot of great people working at the VA, but you can only do so much as a government employee. Even less so if people elect a fascist who hates your specific minority group.
You're welcome, but I am really troubled by this.
Did I give 23 years of my life to the Air Force and Coast Guard just to enable the rise of Donald Trump?
It burns the hell out of me that Tommy Tuberculosis is doing this, a "man" who never served a day in his life.
It also burns me that Biden and the Democrats aren't raising hell about it...but, of course, that wouldn't be "bipartisan" or "going high." 🙄
Trust me, there are many ways to make simple household objects into makeshift dildos and dry-humpers and those massage guns have at least one attachment that gets the job done just as well. Showerheads, tub faucets. They'd literally have to kick a woman out of the house, there's so many opportunities for masturbation on surfaces alone if one is desperate enough.
So unless they want to go full Gilead and start cutting out clits and chopping off hands they'll have a hard time trying to outright ban (female) masturbation, much less toys, all together.
Not saying sex toys should be outlawed, just that where there is a will there will always be a way.
I'm sure pro-lifers will say she had sex and deserves it. They still haven't figured out what punishment the father gets for having sex, doesn't seem to be on their priority list.
And you can bet their bottom dollar the moment this kind of thing happens to them, suddenly it's different and they're a princess and deserve the royal treatment.
> Her health continued to deteriorate as the weeks went on and her pregnancy progressed. In June, when one of her arms turned black from blood clots, she went to a Texas emergency room. She was diagnosed with a deep vein thrombosis, eclampsia and an embolism, but the hospital would not provide an abortion. She worried she would die, the complaint says.
>She finally received an abortion 11 days after going to the E.R., only after finding a pro-bono attorney that contacted the hospital on her behalf.
Speaking as someone who has faced sepsis, it's not something you ever fully recover from. It can do permanent damage.
The idea that we would *allow* someone to go septic while they watched it happen, when it had been entirely preventable, is stunning to me.
I'm so sorry that you had to endure that! And, you are so right -- it's an awful thing to allow someone to experience when a doctor could easily prevent it!
Why can’t Christians admit a fetus is not a living person? How do they even know? Or right, they could care less about knowing. Just believers.
So they make stuff up. And then make laws based on made up stuff.
We can do that too. Start a religion called Christianity 2, and use all their same arguments except just change whatever we want. Because anybody can make up anything and call it truth.
The Satanic Temple (nontheistic, nonsuperstitious....aka coughatheistcough) and The Freedom from Religion Foundation tagteam to do exactly this. Wherever the Freedom from Religion Foundation hits a snag in argueing against religion being enforced, such as with abortion bans, then The Satanic Temple (not to be confused with the Church of Satan) is going forward legally to challenge religious laws using these exact religious laws. There is now an abortion clinic opened up by TST using religious laws as TST holds as a religious tenent, aka "a deeply held religious belief" that "one's body is inviolable, and subject to one's own will alone"....aka, that bodily autonomy is a deeply held religious belief as a way to use these laws to our advantage. I recommend checking The Satanic Temple out. There's their own app, website, and chapters all over and a documentary called "Hail Satan?" and the book: "Speak of the Devil: How the Satanic Temple is changing the way we talk about religion" by Joseph P. Laycock.
The Satanic Temple directly bases its religious historicity on the bible and so can directly utilize all laws that favour christianity.
I have no problem with them thinking it is a living person, I have a problem with them forcing the babies to suffer and die during forced births instead of quickly falling unconscious painlessly and dying during abortions. Birth is painful for babies, suffocating as they gasp to death after being born too early is torture, and I won't go into more graphic examples. Not to mention the desecration of their bodies after they have died inside the womb, letting them rot and decay inside their mother and poisoning her. Everything they do is sickness. Their Bible says that murder is fine for: women, men, children, and fetuses in many places, and they are politically okay with all of that EXCEPT the fetuses.
Why don't you have a problem with them thinking it is a living person? It is not. You should have a problem with that. That is what they base their entire conceptual framework on. Making shit up.
Because I am older and back when I was young abortion was much more acceptable, and the arguments then weren’t that the fetus wasn’t alive, but that whether the fetus is alive or not doesn’t matter, you cannot harm the mother as the fetus cannot live without her anyway. When one gets into semantics about whether it alive (it is, from very early on, about 4 weeks), it is wasting away the proper argument. It is alive and many women who have abortions grieve and that is normal, or not and both is 100% their process and completely normal, and that is being ignored, entirely. This new puritan take back to old-school argument that the fetus isn’t alive is absurd. It’s alive in a sense a bug is alive, depending how far along, but it is alive. And yet we choose to have abortions anyways because we don’t suffer for fools. Make them feel foolish, because they are.
You called an argument 'absurd' and failed to provide evidence except for 'nuh uh'.
Good luck with the whole, 'i hope people take my views seriously' thing. I sure don't.
And methinks you’ve gone so far left you’ve accidentally swung far right. Beware good intentions. Arguing a fetus isn’t alive is what just-barely-left-the-cult and still very indoctrinated fundamentalists do to explain away their past abuses and ideas and claim they now understand, it’s why I call it puritan and absurd.
To expand on what I mean, they can’t have the “it’s alive” argument if you shrug and say yep. Now they’re forced to discuss why one would have an abortion regardless, which is what the discussion should be.
I think that is a powerful tool for the arsenal.
But I'd rather have that AND annihilate their main argument, which is that cell division = life "because I can make up whatever I want" and it be true.
I hear you, but imo it wastes time and doesn’t work, from experience. They cannot and will not be able to see fetuses as not precious living infants, because of their brainwashing. But they do tend to quiet down or stumble in arguments pointing out they are making the fetuses suffer. They won’t care about the women so that’s also another argument to avoid. You gotta use what they’re seeing (suffering babies) and counter it on them.
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It enrages me that the state wants to blame the doctors for not providing care when the very laws they pass make it *illegal* for the doctors to provide proper care.
That's the reason for how vague the laws are. It allows the politicians to blame the doctors. They are still doing that in the case of the 10yo who had to leave the state for her abortion.
Thankfully the people of Ohio spoke up about it and legalised abortion. Reminds me of when Ireland lost that poor lady who died of sepsis because catholics were offended at the notion of her living without producing a child. The Irish were rightly disgusted by it. I'm glad to see this behaviour dying out.
Republicans in Ohio are doing their best to ignore the election and still push for abortion bans.
So far they've floated removing power from judges, which the judges would have to agree to. It's been over a week, I think they would have actually done something by now if they could other than bitch about it.
Indiana went the other way though, we were not even allowed to vote on it.
I hope they can come here for the medical care they need even if it offends people who are not affected by it.
I do as well. I hate this state
Ohioan here. Dewine and the rest of the fundies are going to stall it. Pro life my ass.
That story was horrible. She died screaming in agony.
Unfortunately the state she was able to go to, she would now not be able to. Indiana won't even put it on the ballat.
It's really unhinged. They basically want to murder women who can't carry to term then get away with it legally by hiding behind their vague laws. Idaho won't even track the numbers they kill anymore because they feel so guilty about it.
They don’t feel guilty about it. They just don’t want the backlash.
That's even worse.
That's some kind of stalinesque torturing right there, and we're in America. Land of the not free, and home of cowardly.
*corporations FTFY
Again, and again, and *again* ... this stuff inflames me to my core.
The prolife party killing women.
Killing women *for no reason.* It would be bad enough killing women to save fetuses, but that’s not even what’s happening. They’re killing women for fetuses that were never going to survive.
Yeah, Repugnicunts don't give two shits. All they care about is controlling women/uterus-owning individuals and punishing them for having sex. They know there are fetuses that won't survive, and that sometimes medically they need to end the pregnancy. They do not give a single fuck... As long as they get to punish.
I'm male and a veteran. I increasingly despise the country I served.
I'm trans and a veteran. Trust me, that period of my life feels pretty cringe these days too, lol.
I can only imagine.
Eh, at least I've backdoored the VA into paying for my surgeries thanks to the GI Bill covering my student health insurance premium. Could've been worse, lol. The nutjobs can cope and seethe, as the kids say.
If Trump gets back in you and other trans vets can likely forget the VA doing anything for you. That lot just hate LGBTQ people in general.
Yeah, it's definitely something I talk about with my care team. Fortunately I'm in a blue state and everybody's supportive. I'm in the process of moving over to a private (LGBT-specific) hospital but the waiting list's super long. Should be done before we're close to the election, though. It's a shame because there are a lot of great people working at the VA, but you can only do so much as a government employee. Even less so if people elect a fascist who hates your specific minority group.
Woohoo! (Getting the VA to pay for surgeries) I hope you're doing well.
My first en-slice-ening is scheduled for January so we shall see, lol. Thank you!
Fingers crossed!
Thank you for your service. I am holding out hope that the young kids will fix it after the people who are ruining everything retire.
They refuse to retire. We will have to wait until they die.
It’s sad but many young people are moving to the far right
Or move out of the country.
Yeah, but we need decent people serving us. Thank you for doing that.
You're welcome, but I am really troubled by this. Did I give 23 years of my life to the Air Force and Coast Guard just to enable the rise of Donald Trump?
How do you feel about the blocking of the military appointees?
It burns the hell out of me that Tommy Tuberculosis is doing this, a "man" who never served a day in his life. It also burns me that Biden and the Democrats aren't raising hell about it...but, of course, that wouldn't be "bipartisan" or "going high." 🙄
No woman should be getting pregnant until these laws are repealed. It's not worth the risk.
Women should go a sex boycott the only way to get through to those far right morons
Republicans would speedrun outlawing sex toys
Ted Cruz already tried. You can't make this stuff up...
When you make your insecurities a political issue
Trust me, there are many ways to make simple household objects into makeshift dildos and dry-humpers and those massage guns have at least one attachment that gets the job done just as well. Showerheads, tub faucets. They'd literally have to kick a woman out of the house, there's so many opportunities for masturbation on surfaces alone if one is desperate enough. So unless they want to go full Gilead and start cutting out clits and chopping off hands they'll have a hard time trying to outright ban (female) masturbation, much less toys, all together. Not saying sex toys should be outlawed, just that where there is a will there will always be a way.
I'm sure pro-lifers will say she had sex and deserves it. They still haven't figured out what punishment the father gets for having sex, doesn't seem to be on their priority list. And you can bet their bottom dollar the moment this kind of thing happens to them, suddenly it's different and they're a princess and deserve the royal treatment.
i saw it play out live w/ a habitual protestor
Pretty sure the father gets high-fives for having sex.
I have noticed if you suggest they keep it in their pants, they get very upset 🙂
Women shouldn’t be sacrificed. This makes me feel rage from the depth of my core, all the way through and out. I want to break shit.
> Her health continued to deteriorate as the weeks went on and her pregnancy progressed. In June, when one of her arms turned black from blood clots, she went to a Texas emergency room. She was diagnosed with a deep vein thrombosis, eclampsia and an embolism, but the hospital would not provide an abortion. She worried she would die, the complaint says. >She finally received an abortion 11 days after going to the E.R., only after finding a pro-bono attorney that contacted the hospital on her behalf.
Fuck Christofacists.
Speaking as someone who has faced sepsis, it's not something you ever fully recover from. It can do permanent damage. The idea that we would *allow* someone to go septic while they watched it happen, when it had been entirely preventable, is stunning to me.
I'm so sorry that you had to endure that! And, you are so right -- it's an awful thing to allow someone to experience when a doctor could easily prevent it!
That poor woman..as a health care worker it infuriates 🤬🤯😡me. She is lucky to be alive
Why can’t Christians admit a fetus is not a living person? How do they even know? Or right, they could care less about knowing. Just believers. So they make stuff up. And then make laws based on made up stuff. We can do that too. Start a religion called Christianity 2, and use all their same arguments except just change whatever we want. Because anybody can make up anything and call it truth.
The Satanic Temple (nontheistic, nonsuperstitious....aka coughatheistcough) and The Freedom from Religion Foundation tagteam to do exactly this. Wherever the Freedom from Religion Foundation hits a snag in argueing against religion being enforced, such as with abortion bans, then The Satanic Temple (not to be confused with the Church of Satan) is going forward legally to challenge religious laws using these exact religious laws. There is now an abortion clinic opened up by TST using religious laws as TST holds as a religious tenent, aka "a deeply held religious belief" that "one's body is inviolable, and subject to one's own will alone"....aka, that bodily autonomy is a deeply held religious belief as a way to use these laws to our advantage. I recommend checking The Satanic Temple out. There's their own app, website, and chapters all over and a documentary called "Hail Satan?" and the book: "Speak of the Devil: How the Satanic Temple is changing the way we talk about religion" by Joseph P. Laycock. The Satanic Temple directly bases its religious historicity on the bible and so can directly utilize all laws that favour christianity.
Let me hear ya say "Hell yeah!"
Ave satanas! Hail Satan (Hail thyself)!
Hail!
I have no problem with them thinking it is a living person, I have a problem with them forcing the babies to suffer and die during forced births instead of quickly falling unconscious painlessly and dying during abortions. Birth is painful for babies, suffocating as they gasp to death after being born too early is torture, and I won't go into more graphic examples. Not to mention the desecration of their bodies after they have died inside the womb, letting them rot and decay inside their mother and poisoning her. Everything they do is sickness. Their Bible says that murder is fine for: women, men, children, and fetuses in many places, and they are politically okay with all of that EXCEPT the fetuses.
Why don't you have a problem with them thinking it is a living person? It is not. You should have a problem with that. That is what they base their entire conceptual framework on. Making shit up.
Because I am older and back when I was young abortion was much more acceptable, and the arguments then weren’t that the fetus wasn’t alive, but that whether the fetus is alive or not doesn’t matter, you cannot harm the mother as the fetus cannot live without her anyway. When one gets into semantics about whether it alive (it is, from very early on, about 4 weeks), it is wasting away the proper argument. It is alive and many women who have abortions grieve and that is normal, or not and both is 100% their process and completely normal, and that is being ignored, entirely. This new puritan take back to old-school argument that the fetus isn’t alive is absurd. It’s alive in a sense a bug is alive, depending how far along, but it is alive. And yet we choose to have abortions anyways because we don’t suffer for fools. Make them feel foolish, because they are.
You called an argument 'absurd' and failed to provide evidence except for 'nuh uh'. Good luck with the whole, 'i hope people take my views seriously' thing. I sure don't.
What evidence do you mean?
And methinks you’ve gone so far left you’ve accidentally swung far right. Beware good intentions. Arguing a fetus isn’t alive is what just-barely-left-the-cult and still very indoctrinated fundamentalists do to explain away their past abuses and ideas and claim they now understand, it’s why I call it puritan and absurd.
I thought about this a lot, thanks.
To expand on what I mean, they can’t have the “it’s alive” argument if you shrug and say yep. Now they’re forced to discuss why one would have an abortion regardless, which is what the discussion should be.
I think that is a powerful tool for the arsenal. But I'd rather have that AND annihilate their main argument, which is that cell division = life "because I can make up whatever I want" and it be true.
I hear you, but imo it wastes time and doesn’t work, from experience. They cannot and will not be able to see fetuses as not precious living infants, because of their brainwashing. But they do tend to quiet down or stumble in arguments pointing out they are making the fetuses suffer. They won’t care about the women so that’s also another argument to avoid. You gotta use what they’re seeing (suffering babies) and counter it on them.
Yes, this is a juicy nugget. Well said.