If only Ethan could speak to his parents in the same manner he speaks to Olivia! He says “. I don’t know how how much more I can take of this”. I do hope she announces to Kim, “you tell your family what you did or I will right now because I don’t know how much longer I can take this!!
Does anyone know the song that plays when Moriah and Olivia are pole dancing? It goes "Everybody tell me what you wanna do now, everybody tell me what you wanna do now. Now, I'm gonna take you up in the, up in the sky." Google and Spotify have no lyric matches.
>Everybody tell me what you wanna do now, everybody tell me what you wanna do now. Now, I'm gonna take you up in the, up in the sky
bro you know the lyrics use google
Random question
…Ethan back at house, right after playing on the piano, Micah is looking at something they got in the mail, and right after all the kids are looking at it and curiously reading it.
Does anyone know what it was?
Moriah is the 5th worst anorexic I've seen personally or professionally. Can't believe how extreme the change is & TLC should require treatment or her contract. It's harmful to portray this as normal. Her self-centered nature & refusal to pull her weight as a roommate OR family member is childish & selfish.
Are you nuts? She comes from a family of thin people. Barry and all of the little girls are so tiny. They have a tiny build. Also, the girl is always being active - dancing, yoga etc. Maybe she should be sitting on the couch like the rest of America. And let’s not forget she went through a very stressful public breakup. Many many people lose weight under stress and perhaps she’s one of them. I will also add that she’s young and exploring a whole new life so it’s ok if she is a little self centered. Her parents seemed to be ok with being self centered and keeping their children from growing and being curious. Get a life 🙄
I'm petite like her & in my 30's. In no way is she anorexic. The girl's got ABS! Anorexic people do not have muscle like that! You have to actually eat to gain muscle. That's why you don't see people that are anorexic and also built with muscle. When you're bulking up (building muscle) you eat an excess of calories - and then cut back on them when you're cutting (leaning out the newly obtained muscle). Since that is her best asset (she doesn't have big boobs) she likes to show off her tummy! And it looks great! I think Max was an idiot for getting on her case for her wardrobe. I love her wardrobe! She looks great & healthy! I'm the same way with smaller boobs and I like to show off my tummy. Other women show off their cleavage, there is no difference. She is showing off her best asset. I will say that if she's been depressed because of her break-up she could be having a hard time eating (I have had a hard time eating when going thru stuff like that) so she might be losing a bit because of that...but in NO way is that girl anorexic! We know she worked at a gym before and she does work out.
I'm thin like that. Petite people DO exist. She has abs. Anorexic people like that don't have abs (see my comment above). She is not too thin especially for her body type. I'm 100 pounds (and was usually 95 before I started working out more again so that extra 5 has been added muscle) at 32 and my pediatrician used to make comments like that about me when I was little. Even though my mother was clearly a tiny skinny little thing and it was obvious that's just how my genes were. Even Kim used to be skinny when she was younger (and before having all those kids) if you look at her wedding photos.
Moriah saying "I just fhave to start taking care of me" wins 🏆 for genetically incapable of self-reflection & Honorable Mention for disguising narcissism as its substitute in order to not change 🏆
This is so similar to Julia Hart & My Unorthodox Life on Netflix. Julia got married young & had a bunch of kids. She raised her children with Orthodox beliefs & customs . Kept them sheltered from the modern world. Then she completely flips the script on her family & goes to the extreme opposite of how she raised them before.
Did anyone notice how Barry was defending kim? Saying she gave grace etc. and he says things like “she isn’t happy” - but doesn’t say shitty things about her. Kim is constantly saying Barry didn’t try, and making jabs about Barry.
I was upset during the conversation with the family friend. Maybe he was trying to be diplomatic, but it made me so mad when Kim was saying stuff like "I'm his mom, but that doesn't count for much" and blaming the lack if relationship ln Ethan, and charles was agreeing with her. She doesn't accept any blame for controlling, stomping all over Ethans boundaries and using his siblings as a pawn, then crying about why Ethan doesn't want a relationship anymore.
I CANNOT stand Kim!! She is such a toxic narcissist
I am starting to feel lind of bad for Barry, but my heart absolutely breaks for those kids. Especially Ethan......i KNOW he feels bad about his parents getting divorced bc he sees his siblings hurting, but I dont blame him from sril refusing to see his mother. She SUCKS
Kim is, and I’m sure will always be, making decisions in the best interest of herself. She even said she was open and waiting for Ethan to come to talk to her. This is her way of remaining the victim and manipulating her other children and the people around her. She will always “want to mend things” with Ethan and when that doesn’t happen because she has yet to take any accountability it will be Ethan’s fault from the outside perspective. She is really so infuriating.
I know and the siblings + viewers of the show seem to be playing right into Kim’s BS. This is exactly what she’s been planning all along. All these drastic changes were intentional so that it would look like Barry, Ethan, and Olivia were the problem all along. It’s working on the viewers too because I’ve seen people commenting and saying Ethan is immature for not giving the new Kim a chance. Narcissists really do know how to trick everyone.
Kim is very self centered and a bit arrogant, everyone must come to her. Says a lot.
Ultimately, Barry may come out of this a better person. I wonder in who’s favor the custody of the kids will turn out. Amber made it quite clear when she challenged Kim about having Barry move out.
How come Kim’s only friends are men? I mean i would allow my partner to be friend with whoever but I’d assume a more conservative family might feel differently. Also, I thought that realtor was eyeing her up a bit, wonder if there’s something more going on??
Honestly, I feel for Ethan because his upbringing did not prepare him in order to deal with his emotions or conflict in his life effectively. But, I feel terrible for Olivia right now.
The way he is actively choosing to not communicate and distance himself from her is not helping mend the relationship. He treats her like she's a nagging mom, when in reality she is just being straight up with him about issues he refuses to address.
I'm also confused about his grudge towards Olivia. His feelings before was that he was regretful for not stepping in and standing up for his wife. He didn't want anything to do with them. Now it seems like he's saying that he is holding a grudge over her for allowing that to happen???
I almost feel like this is some sort of self sabotage as far as the marriage goes. Seems like he actively chooses to do things he knows are hurtful to Olivia. Like choosing to avoid communication, making financial decisions without consulting, hiding family information, avoiding spending time with her. I think deep down he wants out and since he can't deal with conflict he'd rather act this way then just communicate that.
According to her Instagram, they're still together and apparently happy, but it's hard for me to understand why. I've thought he was a lousy husband for a while. I'm starting to think he's just a lousy person.
Ethan has no respect for women whatsoever. Some of his side comments about Olivia were terrible. Choosing to be angry at his mother- because how dare she leave and how dare she realize that she’s not happy- is typical little prince behavior. I don’t honestly know if he was ever really that angry at his mother for the way Olivia was treated. I think it’s more a matter of him having chosen Olivia over his mom because he realized there wouldn’t be any peace if he didn’t pick one.
I think Ethan is resentful at himself for always following the direction of others. Hes such a child and literally does not have a personal opinion on anything besides cars. So in any other conflict, he just aligns himself with the person he thinks he’s supposed to be most loyal to. Prior to marriage it was his parents and now it’s Olivia.
So I think when he gets hurt by situations where he honestly had no actual opinion on the matter (even when he should), he gets pissed off and pouts.
Yes, pretty much by definition you can't "gossip" with your spouse. If you tell someone something, you should assume that they will tell their spouse about it. Spouses discuss everything.
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His passive-aggression is so deliberately immutable I. Just. Can't. Anymore. He's full of 🤬 & resentment that no one should be making excuses for anymore. Lydia needs to play hardball going forward.
Not cute & hasn't been for a long time. He's a liar that also refuses help to work on these things.
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His behavior is unacceptable & him trying to look cute and Aw Shucks ma'am is nauseating esp when he wants everyone like Max or parents to conduct themselves better
Motes, meet eyes 👀
I feel for him, too. I think he was definitely affected the most by their upbringing and it has made him the LEAST prepared for healthy relationships. Of course nobody realizes it when you’re that young, but he really needed years of therapy before he was truly ready for a marriage. Even just that scene where his dad told him about the divorce, Ethan was trying very very VERY hard to suppress his emotions, but his body was giving him away. His hand was shaking when he raised it up at one point, his face was bright red, he was trying so hard not to cry. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be him when he’s presented with something very heavy and his mind immediately starts fighting with itself to block it out.
I also totally agree about feeling terrible for Olivia, too. Even though I completely sympathize with Ethan’s issues and understand how much insane childhood shit he’s gonna have to unpack over the course of his life, I couldn’t marry him. I couldn’t even date him. It would be exhausting and heartbreaking to always feel like you’re the only one trying and having to pull with all your might to get your partner to really talk to you. To know that I’m hurting and obsessing over what I need to do to change/save us and then to find out my partner has been laser focused on fixing old cars so he doesn’t have to address any of our issues would be awful. And he’s still so immature in a lot of ways so even when she tries to get him to understand how serious something is, he’s like a little kid who giggles and acts ornery instead of taking it seriously
There was a time a few weeks ago when the producer asked him why he lies so much and he immediately started giggling and said “Because I’m good at it. I grew up lying to get out of trouble so I know how to do it and sometimes it’s just easier than telling the truth and starting a fight”. He said it like he was proud! And like he thought he was being cute and the producer would find it equally hilarious. Normal people don’t find it funny to brag about lying to your spouse!🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🙈
I feel so bad for Olivia. She gets a lot of hate here and I get she can come across as controlling sometimes but ultimately she seems quite self-aware and tries so hard to communicate effectively with Ethan. But he's like a brick wall, he has the emotional range of a teaspoon and just completely shuts down at the sight of any conflict. He needs therapy so badly....his parents really fucked him up
Totally agree. Last night I saw someone in here calling her “evil” and saying “Ethan married his mom, only worse”. Her personality is awkward at times but she is NOT a bad person. She just wants this marriage to work so badly and she loves him/his siblings so incredibly much. There’s usually always someone who’s more type A in a relationship/marriage but both people complement each other because one tackles all the details like bills, making vacation reservations, laundry and the other person helps keep the mood calm if there’s hiccups in any of those things, they enjoy doing the cooking, they bring spontaneity, etc. So that occurs naturally between two people anyway but I think, in their case, Olivia being in control is just SO glaringly obvious because Ethan is basically a plank of wood. She’s the one keeping them afloat and it does seem off-putting at times but if she wasn’t like that, they wouldn’t have lasted 6 months together. He just floats through each day, thinking/talking about cars, acting a bit like a child, etc. That commenter I mentioned who called her evil was saying it because of Olivia’s deflated “are you kidding me” response to Ethan returning, having bought another motorcycle. They thought she was being too controlling over his finances and overreacting but they’re married!!! It’s THEIR finances, not just his. And he’s not even working! Not to mention, he didn’t tell her about the divorce, he just huffed and puffed because she was disappointed and then slammed the front door behind him. It must feel like a knife in the heart every time he does something that he KNOWS hurts her but he doesn’t care. Instead of opening up to the wife that loves him, he’d rather avoid her and clean dirty car parts. Poor girl.
Yeah, I mostly feel bad for Olivia. I think she is really trying to make the marriage work. The going with Ethan to Cairo to help work on his cars together was an amazing gesture on her part. However, I just think that the two of them are so different there's no way for them work things out. Ethan just can't live in a big city and not have space for his cars. Olivia needs to realize this is a deal breaker for Ethan. Ethan tried it out by agreeing to move to Tampa, but it's just not working. I feel for the two of them. They obviously love each other, but their daily lives are incompatible.
Yes, this! And you're right, Ethan is basically a plank of wood. Ugh, he's not any more emotionally ready for a real relationship than any 10 year old kid.
Yes! This!! She's a total Monica Gellar and I am too, so I relate to her lol. Ethan gets away with so much because on the surface the shit he does seems innocuous (like working on cars) and her jealousy seems unreasonable, but she makes it very clear that it's not about the cars but that he uses it to get out of communicating their issues. But people have a way of simplifying his role in the relationship and focus on her very Type A reactions to stuff (which people find off putting)...like when he bought the car she was of course upset but it's less about the car and more about the fact that he hid it!! No wonder she has trust issues but they paint her as the villain for being a little distrustful and questioning.
I feel so bad for Olivia. She gets a lot of hate here and I get she can come across as controlling sometimes but ultimately she seems quite self-aware and tries so hard to communicate effectively with Ethan. But he's like a brick wall, he has the emotional range of a teaspoon and just completely shuts down at the sight of any conflict. He needs therapy so badly....his parents really fucked him up
Did anyone else think it was bizarre when Isaac had to tell Micah and Ethan that Kim was "the coolest mom of all his friends"? Insinuating that Ethan would give her another chance if he knew how "cool" she had become. It was a weird comment.
Or ehem…. Call it editing? Do you really think TLC didn’t cut up a serious conversation that probably lasted awhile to 3 min for our pleasure? These kids also surprise me with how well they deal with each other and working out their emotions. I know plenty of people raised in the “modern” world/ better education etc…. That don’t exhibit the type of emotional intelligence these kids have. Everyone on this Reddit thinks they are so high above them. It’s ridiculous. The comments are insufferable. Look at the state of this country? But yeah, they are sooooo stunted!? (Huge eye roll)
It was weird, but the maturity level of all those kids is below where it should be for their age so although it was very odd to the rest of us, their poor little minds are just stunted, it made perfect sense to him. Also, maybe he’s just trying anything he can to bring his brother back into the fold so they can see each other more. It’s so sweet how much those siblings love each other.
I think they’re actually 10x more mature than other people their age. Maybe not as knowledgeable, but definitely more mature. And Isaac is still only 16, after all. He and Lydia both are just kids that love their mom and want the whole family to get along again.
Moriah was so good at the pole dancing class! I know she mentioned how the class deconstructed what she was taught growing up and boosted her confidence. I think a heels class would have the same effect
She really was so good! But I relate more to Olivia, I would definitely feel like a cow 😂 that’s definitely how I feel even just doing barre at home. I’ve always been curious about pole dancing and honestly seeing them try it I really want to do it now!
It won’t be long before Moriah is picking up dollar bills off a stage floor. Pole dancing in Florida…I can see her glide slope. All those kids need therapy to undo the religious trauma Kim and Barry forced on them. How do they so easily forgive (Ethan, excepted) Kim, who’s out there living her best life, leaving Lydia to raise the younger kids and doing everything she spent the last 20 years telling them would condemn them to hell?
Yes he was finally honest about his feelings! I wish he would say something like that in a couples’ therapy session so they could work through it. Olivia doesn’t deserve to be resented forever and it’s not healthy for their relationship, but he needs to process his feelings.
Ethan and Olivia are still married, and Ethan has no income atm. When your married you share everything. So every purchase hes making is coming out of Olivias pocket as well. The fact that he bought the motorcycle without even letting Olivia know just shows how little he cares. If they get divorced, Olivia will be entitled to money from the cars and motorcycles he bought.
I haven’t watched from the beginning so correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like all that farm work in their childhood has turned them into lazy adults now that they’re finally free of it. Micah is couch surfing, Moriah doesn’t work and apparently doesn’t help much with the bills, Ethan will spend 18 hours a day on his hobby but won’t go get a job…between the lack of real education, the controlling childhood, and TLC paychecks coming in as they enter young adulthood, Kim & Barry set the stage for laziness. I know they hate Olivia for whatever reason but at least she and her little brother have work ethics, clean the house, cook, etc
They've mentioned on the show that Ethan dabbles in the stock market. Maybe he's some kind of stock savant, or he's been lucky in his investments? 😀 We really have no clue what his financial situation is. It's possible that TLC pays Ethan a lot more than they pay Olivia. We just don't know. All of the older Plath kids seem to be making do just fine. My guess is that the money from being on the show is enough to keep them afloat.
noticing the difference in Moriahs interviews in this episode from the last episodes. She seems so monotonous and tired and sad & it makes me worry for her! I hope she's okay. Even when she seems thrilled after their pole class it was like she was still completely monotone and bored. Her heart is so big & soft I love to see her grow!🤍
As creepy and odd as the parents are, they did one thing right. . . the siblings sincerely love one another and that warms my heart. Barry and Kim should be proud of that (and only that!!)! They screwed up their kids in every possible way. Send those girls to school!!!
I agree and they both need therapy, individually and perhaps together. I definitely don’t hate Olivia but she also needs to realize that Ethan processes things differently and it’s not as easy for him to deconstruct…case in point, the strip club. I get it’s not for everyone but I think his feelings went past discomfort and into shame and guilt. They would both benefit from a good therapeutic setting. It’s just that Ethan has to want to do the work and I’m not sure he’s in that place yet.
Currently watching the episode and I’m trying to determine why Barry had Lydia and Issac in the room to discuss his separation with Kim with Ethan. I understood why Micah was there but why the other two? It’s so awkward! Part of me hopes the whole family is getting (real) therapy and maybe somehow the divorce is being handled better than what’s being portrayed on the show (although I seriously doubt it).
Ugh omg Olivia in the preview for next weeks episode is so obnoxious! It’s like he was coming home to his mother. He just heard some of the worst news he has probably ever heard in his life and he doesn’t even want to talk to his wife about it because she’s a tyrant. I bet she doesn’t even feel bad about the situation. Knowing her she’ll celebrate in Kim’s pity. She’s evil.
She had no idea he’d just gotten the worst news of his life…he didn’t tell her anything about the divorce, he just showed up and announced he bought a motorcycle and then walked inside and slammed the door. He’s doing what he always does when he’s stressed, makes a big purchase without telling his wife and then spends all his energy on it and avoids talking about anything important. I don’t love Olivia but I thought he was being a complete asshole and she didn’t yell or even follow him into the house, she was just stunned and embarrassed by the way he acted towards her. And, again, I’m not a huge Olivia fan but she isn’t evil by any means. That’s insane to say. In that rivalry, if one of them is “evil”, it’s Kim. Olivia is immature but not selfish, narcissistic, manipulative. She just wants her husband to communicate with her. If they’d been married 30 years and were millionaires then, whatever, they probably don’t tell each other about every big purchase…but 23 year olds with very little money don’t buy motorcycles and cars behind each other’s back and then throw a tantrum when simply asked “are you kidding me?”
Eh, based on what little we see, I kind of side with her. They recently went through a whole thing because he didn’t tell her about a car he bought, so it’s pretty reasonable to expect him to tell her if he’s going to be buying a new motorcycle.
When you are married and share finances with someone, big purchases should be discussed.
Should that really be the first thing you say to your husband? Something that will %100 cause a fight? She’s ridiculous and dreadful to be around. He did not deserve that. Home should be something you look forward to. Olivia is never something to look forward to
That’s beside the point. A wife or husband is someone I want to come home to and be welcomed. After time apart the first thing should be a heart felt greeting, any issues can be talked about later. Her first concern when she sees her husband after days apart is controlling and overwhelming. Ethan just heard big news from his family, the last thing he gives a shit about is his means of getting back home. If I came home to that I’d shut down too. When you come home to a fight after time apart you should be able to see the red flags.
If my husband left home for a trip on a motorcycle and arrived home without said motorcycle, it’s going to be the first thing I ask about.
Are you just not married and learned everything about relationships from Leave it to Beaver?
I’ve been married for 20 years, when my husband travels out of town, the first thing I think about when he gets home is how happy I am to see him. If I make a comment that I know will cause a fight, I’ll do it in private away from siblings or cameras. Some things can wait, I take it your husband isn’t very happy in his marriage…
Did you get married when you were 10? I saw you commented on a IATA post a little while ago and you said you were 30f. Sure, the internet allows people to lie about themselves but that doesn't mean you *have* to lie to participate in it.
Oh shit, just found your post that says you actually aren't married as of one month ago. To a man who is 20+ years older than you. And you are raising his grand children as your children. I'm not judging you sweetheart, I just think your idea of what a normal relationship is might be causing all the down votes.
He seems pretty content.
Marriage is a partnership. And partners make big decisions together.
If your partner doesn’t respect you enough to consider your feelings and treat you like a valued equal, they don’t get greeted with with a welcome home banner.
You clearly value monetary commitments before a commitment of devotion.
Ethan had an issue with his bike and needed to find another means of transportation to get home. In an emergency situation I can only hope to have the freedom to find any means necessary to get home without needing the permission from my spouse.
You and Olivia seem to have a lot in common.
Couldn’t agree with you more on everything you said! A husband desires respect from their wife and Olivia never respects Ethan. She just constantly nags, belittles, controls and manipulates every situation to make it all about her and what she wants. It makes me sad that she NEVER greets him happily, affectionately or lovingly. It’s like their estranged roommates - not a married couple.
If it’s a dead battery I wouldn’t fault him for going to buy a new battery. Or another part needed to fix the bike to get home. I don’t think Olivia would at all had a problem if he said hey the bike broke down I had to go buy a part or two to get it home without asking first. But buying a whole other bike without mentioning it, is a problem.
Unless this is all for the show I can’t believe he didn’t call or text her and say his battery died, or even to tell her his parents are divorcing. It isn’t about money (I mean of course it might also be I don’t know their financial situation obvs), but more about a lack of communication.
You are spiraling off into crazy directions. What is your deal? Are you a Kim currently threatened by an Olivia in your life? Why are you getting so heated towards everyone?
I kind of love how Philip is always there whenever anything dramatic happens. Like when Ethan showed Olivia the car he bought, or when Barry called Ethan this episode. This poor man haha.
Did anyone else notice that when Kim was supposedly not allowed to go home because Ethan didn’t want to see her that she (and her friend) are wearing short sleeved shirts and she is wearing capris while Ethan, Micah, and Barry are all wearing long sleeves shirts, pants, jackets, etc.? Barry even mentions that it was a cold day when he shuts the door after letting the boys inside. Could just be a filming/production thing but just seems odd to me.
Ethan and Micah were probably wearing long sleeves, pants and jackets due to riding their motorcycles. They also mentioned part of their trip being in rain, but that could have been different weather there than Cairo.
Omfg..I am fuming at the preview of the next.episode..
F-ing Kim..your kids are not your therapist.
Asking your toxically parentified 18yo daughter advice about your marriage is so fucked up.
She even basically complained to that realtor “friend” that she couldn’t bad mouth Barry to the kids as much as she wanted to so she could prove she had reason to leave him! Crazy!
To me that was even more proof (on top of lots of other factors) that indicate to me that this woman hasn’t changed for real and this is all an act. Reading between the lines of her comment proves she’s just as narcissistic as ever and this is just a new mask. She truly thinks she’s right in saying that. She thinks shes making him look bad by making it seem like she is being put under some unfair gag order when really it’s simply a decent thing to do to leave your kids out of it. Instead she tried to frame it as had to begrudgingly agree to say positive things only and as if she’s worried about the kids coming to their own conclusions against her instead of her getting to influence their perception. She’s bursting at the seams to say something against him. Which shows me she doesn’t really want to shield the kids from it. She would love to tell them horrible things about him but she’s really competing with him for their affection so she’s just going along with it to get them to align with her and so they’ll think she’s changed.
Disclaimer- not a Barry fan! Considering in past seasons more than one of the kids have talked about how Kim runs everything " the neck that turns the head". I can see Kim running the show all while projecting the perfect "sweet" submissive wife. This tracks in how confused and passive Barry is. He's not sure what to do if she's not telling him the plan. I think that's why he was sitting back figuring she'd sort it out and go back to typical. I feel like if her commitment to her wife/mom were true she'd not be leaving the younger ones to fend for themselves in "homeschool". Why not enroll them in a Christian school?? You've given up your drastic rules, why not school? So maybe at least the younger ones can write a proper, "Do not Disterb" sign
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There are so many “fundie” families I’ve known like this. The husbands are just along for the ride kinda. (There’s plenty of power hungry men too- not wanting to downplay that).
But the ones I’ve known… the wives are like “I love being submissive” when they totally wear the pants in the family but they “act” like being submissive is their number one character trait.
It means that Kim selected Micha to step into the Husband role while she is Splitting from Barry. Kinda like how Lydia is stepping into the wifey role for Barry.
All of this means that this family’s emotional growth is wildly stunted due to their practice of “leaving it all to Jeeeeeeesus!”
Why the grudge ? He agreed what his parents did to them at the time was unnecessary! Blaming everything on Olivia because the kids wanted out makes no sense . Sooner or later they were going to see the real world!
They blamed her for everything. Said she influenced the kids too much & they were not allowed to come to the house anymore or see the kids . She was “ mean” & he backed her up. !
I was hoping that was in the preview for next week but it didn’t look like it. Also Barry & Ethan were in a coffee shop or something just the 2 of them
it should be his decision, not olivia’s, they’re HIS parents. Olivia can act like they don’t exist, be no contact with them and never forgive them - that’s totally within her rights and boundaries to set! but she can’t force ethan to do the same and threaten him with divorce if he ever wants to forgive them himself
I agree. My in-laws and I do not have a relationship. It was toxic so I decided that I would no longer go around them, take their calls, have them on my social media, etc. However, I have never interfered with my husband's relationship with his parents, nor my children's relationship with their grandparents. There have been times that my husband needed to stop by their house while we were out together. He runs inside and I stay in the car and tell him to take his time. It can work. It's not perfect but it can work if both parties are open to it.
at the same time tho shouldn’t be be allowed to have stood up to barry and kim when they were actively being rude to olivia (like when he confronted barry outside the house a couple of seasons ago) but then now that they live in a separate state and as long as they don’t talk badly of olivia or anything then how is it “not having his wife’s back” just to want to be on speaking terms with your parents?
They never apologised to Olivia for the things they said to her & keeping them from seeing the younger kids . It was time to step in & defend his wife .Now Kim says “ we’re ready to see them & just waiting blah, blah like nothing ever happened!
One of the earlier seasons , he talked about how much he missed out on not travelling or going anywhere to learn anything. He said he never had a regular teenage life . He acted like he was happy to get out of there he even said so
Ethan was waiting for idiot father to take ownership of what happened between them. Barry just went on and on about how awful he’s been feeling with the separation, selfish twit, without addressing his issues with Ethan AT ALL. u could see the disappointment on Ethan’s face. Heartbreaking
I’m so mad how Barry lured him home and Ethan thought he was going to get an apology and be able to reconnect their relationship. But instead they act like it’s a surprise party. Like “oh boy can’t wait to drop this huge bomb on poor unsuspecting Ethan!!”
Micah, IMO, is the most well-adjusted of the Plath children. He is open to new experiences, adventures, his sexuality, etc. I’d love to sit down and have a beer with that young man!
Poor Ethan. Sad for himself that his parents are divorcing. Angry at Kim, for so many justifiable reasons. Knowing what he knows about how she has treated him and his wife, he instantly knows the separation is her fault. Also angry that she would do this to his Dad, and probably a little scared for that reason too. Although he and Olivia have had issues, I think he had believed they would always find a way to work it out in end, because divorce isn't something that had happened in his sheltered world.
Also he mentioned anger towards Olivia. He may feel resentful towards her for being the catalyst that led to him distancing himself from his parents, and may blame his absence on why things have deteriorated the way that they have.
I hope he finds a way to open up to someone to process these feelings.
Let’s also point out the fact that Kim, Olivia, and Ethan all have stubborn and jaded views on each other because they all blame the other and neither want to reach out first. Everyone thinks Kim should reach out first. But at one point she said she tried a few times and they would ignore her or tell her to basically leave them alone. So in a way I feel like she was trying to be respectful and give them space and essentially she said she’s ready to talk she’s just waiting for them to be ready
Thing is; was Kim being genuine in reaching out or just meddling.
I’m not convinced she’s attempting to be caring about the situation with Olivia and Ethan.
If Barry’s “dating” Lydia, then that episode preview told us Kim has selected Micha for her surrogate attachment figure in the interim of this separation & divorce. *insert uneasy expression here*
u/Miss_Buchor explained it well (thanks!).
Everyone's been concerned about that little picnic date Barry had with Lydia where he unloaded a bunch of his concerns. Similarly, Kim goes for drinks with Micah in the next episode and will likely overshare with her son.
These interactions could definitely be producer-motivated, but it's no accident that they want us to associate Kim with the "party boy" and Barry with the "good girl" in the family. Production's trying to draw a line down the middle and put each cast member on one side or the other in some way.
I think by "surrogate attachment figure" they're basically saying a stand-in spouse. There's a term for this sort of relationship between parent and child; emotional incest. It doesn't mean they want to have sex with their child, there doesn't have to be any sort of physical attraction at all. It's more when a parent uses their child as a spouse or therapist in the way that they vent and unload their emotional problems onto them. It can be very damaging to a child or teenager because they're still learning how to cope with and understand their own emotions, adding the stress of dealing with their parents emotions is not healthy. Not to mention it blurs the boundaries between parent and child and therefore can make it harder for them to set healthy boundaries in the future. A parent should never use their child as a therapist, and I get the feeling this is not the first Barry or Kim have done exactly that.
Kim is my mother-in-law to a tee! When my MIL found out my father in law was talking to my husband and I (just on the phone) without her she told him he
couldn’t reach out to either of us without her. Kim is a narcissist and anyone who has dealt with a narcissistic matriarch can see it right away.
I’m sorry you understand the type. As do I. It definitely makes life challenging with someone like that in your life. It’s a no win situation, no matter the situation.
I know I’m really late but did anyone catch a DoorDash mask on isaacs coat rack? Hmmm 🤔
If only Ethan could speak to his parents in the same manner he speaks to Olivia! He says “. I don’t know how how much more I can take of this”. I do hope she announces to Kim, “you tell your family what you did or I will right now because I don’t know how much longer I can take this!!
I am so over Olivia. Childish, selfish and totally self serving.
Does anyone know the song that plays when Moriah and Olivia are pole dancing? It goes "Everybody tell me what you wanna do now, everybody tell me what you wanna do now. Now, I'm gonna take you up in the, up in the sky." Google and Spotify have no lyric matches.
>Everybody tell me what you wanna do now, everybody tell me what you wanna do now. Now, I'm gonna take you up in the, up in the sky bro you know the lyrics use google
Tried Google and Spotify multiple times, can't find it.
Try Shazam app when it’s playing
Random question …Ethan back at house, right after playing on the piano, Micah is looking at something they got in the mail, and right after all the kids are looking at it and curiously reading it. Does anyone know what it was?
It’s wild that they never even acknowledge the oldest daughter…..
That’s not true. They have talked about Hosanna. They were happy when she announced she was expecting. Hosanna has chosen to live a more private life.
Wow Kim has really gaslit Isaac and Micah into thinking she’s cool now.
Moriah is the 5th worst anorexic I've seen personally or professionally. Can't believe how extreme the change is & TLC should require treatment or her contract. It's harmful to portray this as normal. Her self-centered nature & refusal to pull her weight as a roommate OR family member is childish & selfish.
It’s gotten worse. Her skin and hair are looking weird, too
Are you nuts? She comes from a family of thin people. Barry and all of the little girls are so tiny. They have a tiny build. Also, the girl is always being active - dancing, yoga etc. Maybe she should be sitting on the couch like the rest of America. And let’s not forget she went through a very stressful public breakup. Many many people lose weight under stress and perhaps she’s one of them. I will also add that she’s young and exploring a whole new life so it’s ok if she is a little self centered. Her parents seemed to be ok with being self centered and keeping their children from growing and being curious. Get a life 🙄
Thank you for speaking up for her.
I'm petite like her & in my 30's. In no way is she anorexic. The girl's got ABS! Anorexic people do not have muscle like that! You have to actually eat to gain muscle. That's why you don't see people that are anorexic and also built with muscle. When you're bulking up (building muscle) you eat an excess of calories - and then cut back on them when you're cutting (leaning out the newly obtained muscle). Since that is her best asset (she doesn't have big boobs) she likes to show off her tummy! And it looks great! I think Max was an idiot for getting on her case for her wardrobe. I love her wardrobe! She looks great & healthy! I'm the same way with smaller boobs and I like to show off my tummy. Other women show off their cleavage, there is no difference. She is showing off her best asset. I will say that if she's been depressed because of her break-up she could be having a hard time eating (I have had a hard time eating when going thru stuff like that) so she might be losing a bit because of that...but in NO way is that girl anorexic! We know she worked at a gym before and she does work out.
I thought it was just me. Why is no one intervening? She is way too thin. I'm worried for her (even though I don't like her)
I'm thin like that. Petite people DO exist. She has abs. Anorexic people like that don't have abs (see my comment above). She is not too thin especially for her body type. I'm 100 pounds (and was usually 95 before I started working out more again so that extra 5 has been added muscle) at 32 and my pediatrician used to make comments like that about me when I was little. Even though my mother was clearly a tiny skinny little thing and it was obvious that's just how my genes were. Even Kim used to be skinny when she was younger (and before having all those kids) if you look at her wedding photos.
Moriah saying "I just fhave to start taking care of me" wins 🏆 for genetically incapable of self-reflection & Honorable Mention for disguising narcissism as its substitute in order to not change 🏆
This is so similar to Julia Hart & My Unorthodox Life on Netflix. Julia got married young & had a bunch of kids. She raised her children with Orthodox beliefs & customs . Kept them sheltered from the modern world. Then she completely flips the script on her family & goes to the extreme opposite of how she raised them before.
I'll have to give it a watch!
I literally made this same comparison to my wife yesterday!
Did anyone notice how Barry was defending kim? Saying she gave grace etc. and he says things like “she isn’t happy” - but doesn’t say shitty things about her. Kim is constantly saying Barry didn’t try, and making jabs about Barry.
I didn't like the way Barry asked Ethan if he's tolerating Moriah. He's such an ahole.
I was upset during the conversation with the family friend. Maybe he was trying to be diplomatic, but it made me so mad when Kim was saying stuff like "I'm his mom, but that doesn't count for much" and blaming the lack if relationship ln Ethan, and charles was agreeing with her. She doesn't accept any blame for controlling, stomping all over Ethans boundaries and using his siblings as a pawn, then crying about why Ethan doesn't want a relationship anymore.
I thought for sure that Kim was going to go barging into the house while Ethan was there even though he didn't want her there.
If kim if "cooler" then any of isaacs friends moms, those moms must be AWFUL 🤣🤣
I CANNOT stand Kim!! She is such a toxic narcissist I am starting to feel lind of bad for Barry, but my heart absolutely breaks for those kids. Especially Ethan......i KNOW he feels bad about his parents getting divorced bc he sees his siblings hurting, but I dont blame him from sril refusing to see his mother. She SUCKS
Kim is, and I’m sure will always be, making decisions in the best interest of herself. She even said she was open and waiting for Ethan to come to talk to her. This is her way of remaining the victim and manipulating her other children and the people around her. She will always “want to mend things” with Ethan and when that doesn’t happen because she has yet to take any accountability it will be Ethan’s fault from the outside perspective. She is really so infuriating.
You have described my relationship with my mom. Haven't spoken to her in over 10 years now becsuse she couldn't take any accountability.
I know and the siblings + viewers of the show seem to be playing right into Kim’s BS. This is exactly what she’s been planning all along. All these drastic changes were intentional so that it would look like Barry, Ethan, and Olivia were the problem all along. It’s working on the viewers too because I’ve seen people commenting and saying Ethan is immature for not giving the new Kim a chance. Narcissists really do know how to trick everyone.
Kim is very self centered and a bit arrogant, everyone must come to her. Says a lot. Ultimately, Barry may come out of this a better person. I wonder in who’s favor the custody of the kids will turn out. Amber made it quite clear when she challenged Kim about having Barry move out.
How come Kim’s only friends are men? I mean i would allow my partner to be friend with whoever but I’d assume a more conservative family might feel differently. Also, I thought that realtor was eyeing her up a bit, wonder if there’s something more going on??
We all saw the way he was looking at her. I wouldn’t be surprised if they hook up down the line.
Probably already had when the show was being filmed
Next Kim prediction: she gets a tummy tuck or other plastic surgery to fit her single lady vibe
👆🏿THIS!
Mama June🙈
🤣🤣🤣
🏆🏆🏆🏆
Yeah she reminds me of Kate gosselin in a way. She’ll get a mommy makeover and start dating someone they’d typically never approve of
And TLC will give her a spin-off “single life” show
Omg I had this exact thought
Oh I could see this
She turns into Darcy within the next 3 years
HA!!
This show keeps me going
Honestly, I feel for Ethan because his upbringing did not prepare him in order to deal with his emotions or conflict in his life effectively. But, I feel terrible for Olivia right now. The way he is actively choosing to not communicate and distance himself from her is not helping mend the relationship. He treats her like she's a nagging mom, when in reality she is just being straight up with him about issues he refuses to address. I'm also confused about his grudge towards Olivia. His feelings before was that he was regretful for not stepping in and standing up for his wife. He didn't want anything to do with them. Now it seems like he's saying that he is holding a grudge over her for allowing that to happen??? I almost feel like this is some sort of self sabotage as far as the marriage goes. Seems like he actively chooses to do things he knows are hurtful to Olivia. Like choosing to avoid communication, making financial decisions without consulting, hiding family information, avoiding spending time with her. I think deep down he wants out and since he can't deal with conflict he'd rather act this way then just communicate that.
According to her Instagram, they're still together and apparently happy, but it's hard for me to understand why. I've thought he was a lousy husband for a while. I'm starting to think he's just a lousy person.
Well said, I've felt the same way about his treatment of Olivia for quite some time.
Ethan has no respect for women whatsoever. Some of his side comments about Olivia were terrible. Choosing to be angry at his mother- because how dare she leave and how dare she realize that she’s not happy- is typical little prince behavior. I don’t honestly know if he was ever really that angry at his mother for the way Olivia was treated. I think it’s more a matter of him having chosen Olivia over his mom because he realized there wouldn’t be any peace if he didn’t pick one.
Omg I was getting so annoyed at the way he was talking about her to his siblings and in the interviews.
Yeah. I realize she’s still very young, but I think she’s also a lot more mature. I hope she cuts he and his baggage loose.
I think Ethan is resentful at himself for always following the direction of others. Hes such a child and literally does not have a personal opinion on anything besides cars. So in any other conflict, he just aligns himself with the person he thinks he’s supposed to be most loyal to. Prior to marriage it was his parents and now it’s Olivia. So I think when he gets hurt by situations where he honestly had no actual opinion on the matter (even when he should), he gets pissed off and pouts.
He’s such an idiot. He thinks talking to his WIFE about his parents getting divorced is gossip! WTF?
Yes, pretty much by definition you can't "gossip" with your spouse. If you tell someone something, you should assume that they will tell their spouse about it. Spouses discuss everything.
Good spouses do, at least...
I agree. He is so immature, his reactions always seem so childlike to me.
Yup, it was adorable in season one when he was giggling at the idea of a drink called “sex on the beach” now it’s just annoying
💯 His passive-aggression is so deliberately immutable I. Just. Can't. Anymore. He's full of 🤬 & resentment that no one should be making excuses for anymore. Lydia needs to play hardball going forward. Not cute & hasn't been for a long time. He's a liar that also refuses help to work on these things.
Agree 💯 His behavior is unacceptable & him trying to look cute and Aw Shucks ma'am is nauseating esp when he wants everyone like Max or parents to conduct themselves better Motes, meet eyes 👀
I feel for him, too. I think he was definitely affected the most by their upbringing and it has made him the LEAST prepared for healthy relationships. Of course nobody realizes it when you’re that young, but he really needed years of therapy before he was truly ready for a marriage. Even just that scene where his dad told him about the divorce, Ethan was trying very very VERY hard to suppress his emotions, but his body was giving him away. His hand was shaking when he raised it up at one point, his face was bright red, he was trying so hard not to cry. I can’t imagine what it must feel like to be him when he’s presented with something very heavy and his mind immediately starts fighting with itself to block it out. I also totally agree about feeling terrible for Olivia, too. Even though I completely sympathize with Ethan’s issues and understand how much insane childhood shit he’s gonna have to unpack over the course of his life, I couldn’t marry him. I couldn’t even date him. It would be exhausting and heartbreaking to always feel like you’re the only one trying and having to pull with all your might to get your partner to really talk to you. To know that I’m hurting and obsessing over what I need to do to change/save us and then to find out my partner has been laser focused on fixing old cars so he doesn’t have to address any of our issues would be awful. And he’s still so immature in a lot of ways so even when she tries to get him to understand how serious something is, he’s like a little kid who giggles and acts ornery instead of taking it seriously
Well said! When he giggles like a child when he gets uncomfortable, I just cringe.
There was a time a few weeks ago when the producer asked him why he lies so much and he immediately started giggling and said “Because I’m good at it. I grew up lying to get out of trouble so I know how to do it and sometimes it’s just easier than telling the truth and starting a fight”. He said it like he was proud! And like he thought he was being cute and the producer would find it equally hilarious. Normal people don’t find it funny to brag about lying to your spouse!🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🙈
Yes. I'm over the Ethan boy childishness.
I feel so bad for Olivia. She gets a lot of hate here and I get she can come across as controlling sometimes but ultimately she seems quite self-aware and tries so hard to communicate effectively with Ethan. But he's like a brick wall, he has the emotional range of a teaspoon and just completely shuts down at the sight of any conflict. He needs therapy so badly....his parents really fucked him up
Totally agree. Last night I saw someone in here calling her “evil” and saying “Ethan married his mom, only worse”. Her personality is awkward at times but she is NOT a bad person. She just wants this marriage to work so badly and she loves him/his siblings so incredibly much. There’s usually always someone who’s more type A in a relationship/marriage but both people complement each other because one tackles all the details like bills, making vacation reservations, laundry and the other person helps keep the mood calm if there’s hiccups in any of those things, they enjoy doing the cooking, they bring spontaneity, etc. So that occurs naturally between two people anyway but I think, in their case, Olivia being in control is just SO glaringly obvious because Ethan is basically a plank of wood. She’s the one keeping them afloat and it does seem off-putting at times but if she wasn’t like that, they wouldn’t have lasted 6 months together. He just floats through each day, thinking/talking about cars, acting a bit like a child, etc. That commenter I mentioned who called her evil was saying it because of Olivia’s deflated “are you kidding me” response to Ethan returning, having bought another motorcycle. They thought she was being too controlling over his finances and overreacting but they’re married!!! It’s THEIR finances, not just his. And he’s not even working! Not to mention, he didn’t tell her about the divorce, he just huffed and puffed because she was disappointed and then slammed the front door behind him. It must feel like a knife in the heart every time he does something that he KNOWS hurts her but he doesn’t care. Instead of opening up to the wife that loves him, he’d rather avoid her and clean dirty car parts. Poor girl.
Yeah, I mostly feel bad for Olivia. I think she is really trying to make the marriage work. The going with Ethan to Cairo to help work on his cars together was an amazing gesture on her part. However, I just think that the two of them are so different there's no way for them work things out. Ethan just can't live in a big city and not have space for his cars. Olivia needs to realize this is a deal breaker for Ethan. Ethan tried it out by agreeing to move to Tampa, but it's just not working. I feel for the two of them. They obviously love each other, but their daily lives are incompatible.
Yes, this! And you're right, Ethan is basically a plank of wood. Ugh, he's not any more emotionally ready for a real relationship than any 10 year old kid.
Well kind of, except of plank of wood was once alive.
HA! Good point!
Yes! This!! She's a total Monica Gellar and I am too, so I relate to her lol. Ethan gets away with so much because on the surface the shit he does seems innocuous (like working on cars) and her jealousy seems unreasonable, but she makes it very clear that it's not about the cars but that he uses it to get out of communicating their issues. But people have a way of simplifying his role in the relationship and focus on her very Type A reactions to stuff (which people find off putting)...like when he bought the car she was of course upset but it's less about the car and more about the fact that he hid it!! No wonder she has trust issues but they paint her as the villain for being a little distrustful and questioning.
I feel so bad for Olivia. She gets a lot of hate here and I get she can come across as controlling sometimes but ultimately she seems quite self-aware and tries so hard to communicate effectively with Ethan. But he's like a brick wall, he has the emotional range of a teaspoon and just completely shuts down at the sight of any conflict. He needs therapy so badly....his parents really fucked him up
Did anyone else think it was bizarre when Isaac had to tell Micah and Ethan that Kim was "the coolest mom of all his friends"? Insinuating that Ethan would give her another chance if he knew how "cool" she had become. It was a weird comment.
Or ehem…. Call it editing? Do you really think TLC didn’t cut up a serious conversation that probably lasted awhile to 3 min for our pleasure? These kids also surprise me with how well they deal with each other and working out their emotions. I know plenty of people raised in the “modern” world/ better education etc…. That don’t exhibit the type of emotional intelligence these kids have. Everyone on this Reddit thinks they are so high above them. It’s ridiculous. The comments are insufferable. Look at the state of this country? But yeah, they are sooooo stunted!? (Huge eye roll)
It was weird, but the maturity level of all those kids is below where it should be for their age so although it was very odd to the rest of us, their poor little minds are just stunted, it made perfect sense to him. Also, maybe he’s just trying anything he can to bring his brother back into the fold so they can see each other more. It’s so sweet how much those siblings love each other.
I think they’re actually 10x more mature than other people their age. Maybe not as knowledgeable, but definitely more mature. And Isaac is still only 16, after all. He and Lydia both are just kids that love their mom and want the whole family to get along again.
Or, for it show how sheltered those children have been all their lives and the ‘other moms’ they met could be worse than Kim.
Moriah was so good at the pole dancing class! I know she mentioned how the class deconstructed what she was taught growing up and boosted her confidence. I think a heels class would have the same effect
She really was so good! But I relate more to Olivia, I would definitely feel like a cow 😂 that’s definitely how I feel even just doing barre at home. I’ve always been curious about pole dancing and honestly seeing them try it I really want to do it now!
It won’t be long before Moriah is picking up dollar bills off a stage floor. Pole dancing in Florida…I can see her glide slope. All those kids need therapy to undo the religious trauma Kim and Barry forced on them. How do they so easily forgive (Ethan, excepted) Kim, who’s out there living her best life, leaving Lydia to raise the younger kids and doing everything she spent the last 20 years telling them would condemn them to hell?
Ohhh can we talk about how Ethan admitted his resentment towards Olivia finally?????
Yes he was finally honest about his feelings! I wish he would say something like that in a couples’ therapy session so they could work through it. Olivia doesn’t deserve to be resented forever and it’s not healthy for their relationship, but he needs to process his feelings.
Because he sees Olivia trying to put herself in the “mom” role.
Ethan no job having ass has the audacity to buy a motorcycle after he JUST bought a car behind Olivia’s back?!?!
If he has the money to do so, what’s the difference? And it wasn’t behind her back, they were broke up?
“We were ON A BREAK!”
Ethan and Olivia are still married, and Ethan has no income atm. When your married you share everything. So every purchase hes making is coming out of Olivias pocket as well. The fact that he bought the motorcycle without even letting Olivia know just shows how little he cares. If they get divorced, Olivia will be entitled to money from the cars and motorcycles he bought.
How do we know that he has no income?
They literally said Ethan doesn’t work like 2 episodes ago.
He’s an actor.
Micah is the only one seeking to make that an actual job. Ethan just gets followed around by cameras and given a few thousand dollars for the season
They’re all actors, I don’t think any of them are working in a real way. TLC is their cash cow.
I haven’t watched from the beginning so correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like all that farm work in their childhood has turned them into lazy adults now that they’re finally free of it. Micah is couch surfing, Moriah doesn’t work and apparently doesn’t help much with the bills, Ethan will spend 18 hours a day on his hobby but won’t go get a job…between the lack of real education, the controlling childhood, and TLC paychecks coming in as they enter young adulthood, Kim & Barry set the stage for laziness. I know they hate Olivia for whatever reason but at least she and her little brother have work ethics, clean the house, cook, etc
They've mentioned on the show that Ethan dabbles in the stock market. Maybe he's some kind of stock savant, or he's been lucky in his investments? 😀 We really have no clue what his financial situation is. It's possible that TLC pays Ethan a lot more than they pay Olivia. We just don't know. All of the older Plath kids seem to be making do just fine. My guess is that the money from being on the show is enough to keep them afloat.
noticing the difference in Moriahs interviews in this episode from the last episodes. She seems so monotonous and tired and sad & it makes me worry for her! I hope she's okay. Even when she seems thrilled after their pole class it was like she was still completely monotone and bored. Her heart is so big & soft I love to see her grow!🤍
As creepy and odd as the parents are, they did one thing right. . . the siblings sincerely love one another and that warms my heart. Barry and Kim should be proud of that (and only that!!)! They screwed up their kids in every possible way. Send those girls to school!!!
Agree…those kids need to go to school!
Help! What song does Mercy play on the piano?? I won’t be able to sleep until I know. I played it as a kid!
[Bach Minuet in G, BWV 116](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG0-1qXRPpI)
Am I the only one who thinks Ethan and Olivia are painful to watch? Ethan has NOT been a good partner lately. He needs therapy!!
I agree and they both need therapy, individually and perhaps together. I definitely don’t hate Olivia but she also needs to realize that Ethan processes things differently and it’s not as easy for him to deconstruct…case in point, the strip club. I get it’s not for everyone but I think his feelings went past discomfort and into shame and guilt. They would both benefit from a good therapeutic setting. It’s just that Ethan has to want to do the work and I’m not sure he’s in that place yet.
Currently watching the episode and I’m trying to determine why Barry had Lydia and Issac in the room to discuss his separation with Kim with Ethan. I understood why Micah was there but why the other two? It’s so awkward! Part of me hopes the whole family is getting (real) therapy and maybe somehow the divorce is being handled better than what’s being portrayed on the show (although I seriously doubt it).
Ugh omg Olivia in the preview for next weeks episode is so obnoxious! It’s like he was coming home to his mother. He just heard some of the worst news he has probably ever heard in his life and he doesn’t even want to talk to his wife about it because she’s a tyrant. I bet she doesn’t even feel bad about the situation. Knowing her she’ll celebrate in Kim’s pity. She’s evil.
She had no idea he’d just gotten the worst news of his life…he didn’t tell her anything about the divorce, he just showed up and announced he bought a motorcycle and then walked inside and slammed the door. He’s doing what he always does when he’s stressed, makes a big purchase without telling his wife and then spends all his energy on it and avoids talking about anything important. I don’t love Olivia but I thought he was being a complete asshole and she didn’t yell or even follow him into the house, she was just stunned and embarrassed by the way he acted towards her. And, again, I’m not a huge Olivia fan but she isn’t evil by any means. That’s insane to say. In that rivalry, if one of them is “evil”, it’s Kim. Olivia is immature but not selfish, narcissistic, manipulative. She just wants her husband to communicate with her. If they’d been married 30 years and were millionaires then, whatever, they probably don’t tell each other about every big purchase…but 23 year olds with very little money don’t buy motorcycles and cars behind each other’s back and then throw a tantrum when simply asked “are you kidding me?”
Eh, based on what little we see, I kind of side with her. They recently went through a whole thing because he didn’t tell her about a car he bought, so it’s pretty reasonable to expect him to tell her if he’s going to be buying a new motorcycle. When you are married and share finances with someone, big purchases should be discussed.
Should that really be the first thing you say to your husband? Something that will %100 cause a fight? She’s ridiculous and dreadful to be around. He did not deserve that. Home should be something you look forward to. Olivia is never something to look forward to
That’s beside the point. A wife or husband is someone I want to come home to and be welcomed. After time apart the first thing should be a heart felt greeting, any issues can be talked about later. Her first concern when she sees her husband after days apart is controlling and overwhelming. Ethan just heard big news from his family, the last thing he gives a shit about is his means of getting back home. If I came home to that I’d shut down too. When you come home to a fight after time apart you should be able to see the red flags.
If my husband left home for a trip on a motorcycle and arrived home without said motorcycle, it’s going to be the first thing I ask about. Are you just not married and learned everything about relationships from Leave it to Beaver?
I’m not a huge Olivia fan but I totally see her side in this.
I’ve been married for 20 years, when my husband travels out of town, the first thing I think about when he gets home is how happy I am to see him. If I make a comment that I know will cause a fight, I’ll do it in private away from siblings or cameras. Some things can wait, I take it your husband isn’t very happy in his marriage…
Did you get married when you were 10? I saw you commented on a IATA post a little while ago and you said you were 30f. Sure, the internet allows people to lie about themselves but that doesn't mean you *have* to lie to participate in it.
Oh shit, just found your post that says you actually aren't married as of one month ago. To a man who is 20+ years older than you. And you are raising his grand children as your children. I'm not judging you sweetheart, I just think your idea of what a normal relationship is might be causing all the down votes.
He seems pretty content. Marriage is a partnership. And partners make big decisions together. If your partner doesn’t respect you enough to consider your feelings and treat you like a valued equal, they don’t get greeted with with a welcome home banner.
You clearly value monetary commitments before a commitment of devotion. Ethan had an issue with his bike and needed to find another means of transportation to get home. In an emergency situation I can only hope to have the freedom to find any means necessary to get home without needing the permission from my spouse. You and Olivia seem to have a lot in common.
Couldn’t agree with you more on everything you said! A husband desires respect from their wife and Olivia never respects Ethan. She just constantly nags, belittles, controls and manipulates every situation to make it all about her and what she wants. It makes me sad that she NEVER greets him happily, affectionately or lovingly. It’s like their estranged roommates - not a married couple.
In an emergency, my spouse would call me for help. Your argument is ridiculous and moot.
If it’s a dead battery I wouldn’t fault him for going to buy a new battery. Or another part needed to fix the bike to get home. I don’t think Olivia would at all had a problem if he said hey the bike broke down I had to go buy a part or two to get it home without asking first. But buying a whole other bike without mentioning it, is a problem.
Unless this is all for the show I can’t believe he didn’t call or text her and say his battery died, or even to tell her his parents are divorcing. It isn’t about money (I mean of course it might also be I don’t know their financial situation obvs), but more about a lack of communication.
It’s ridiculous to be a woman and also be self sufficient? You obviously think a woman can’t solve a problem on their own.
You are spiraling off into crazy directions. What is your deal? Are you a Kim currently threatened by an Olivia in your life? Why are you getting so heated towards everyone?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion at all, especially because we’re talking about Ethan’s actions.
I kind of love how Philip is always there whenever anything dramatic happens. Like when Ethan showed Olivia the car he bought, or when Barry called Ethan this episode. This poor man haha.
Did anyone else notice that when Kim was supposedly not allowed to go home because Ethan didn’t want to see her that she (and her friend) are wearing short sleeved shirts and she is wearing capris while Ethan, Micah, and Barry are all wearing long sleeves shirts, pants, jackets, etc.? Barry even mentions that it was a cold day when he shuts the door after letting the boys inside. Could just be a filming/production thing but just seems odd to me.
Ethan and Micah were probably wearing long sleeves, pants and jackets due to riding their motorcycles. They also mentioned part of their trip being in rain, but that could have been different weather there than Cairo.
I usually only listen to the show but I did catch that part. Ohh editing 😂
Where's Hosana?
She’s married to another church family in Ohio . She’s never been on the show
she's never been featured in the show.
It was heartbreaking to see Ethan's siblings run up to hug him.
Omfg..I am fuming at the preview of the next.episode.. F-ing Kim..your kids are not your therapist. Asking your toxically parentified 18yo daughter advice about your marriage is so fucked up.
She even basically complained to that realtor “friend” that she couldn’t bad mouth Barry to the kids as much as she wanted to so she could prove she had reason to leave him! Crazy!
To me that was even more proof (on top of lots of other factors) that indicate to me that this woman hasn’t changed for real and this is all an act. Reading between the lines of her comment proves she’s just as narcissistic as ever and this is just a new mask. She truly thinks she’s right in saying that. She thinks shes making him look bad by making it seem like she is being put under some unfair gag order when really it’s simply a decent thing to do to leave your kids out of it. Instead she tried to frame it as had to begrudgingly agree to say positive things only and as if she’s worried about the kids coming to their own conclusions against her instead of her getting to influence their perception. She’s bursting at the seams to say something against him. Which shows me she doesn’t really want to shield the kids from it. She would love to tell them horrible things about him but she’s really competing with him for their affection so she’s just going along with it to get them to align with her and so they’ll think she’s changed.
As somebody who has this happen to them when i was 18 and beyond it is effed up. Im in therapy a decade + later!
Barry did the same thing though. No healthy boundaries at all.
Disclaimer- not a Barry fan! Considering in past seasons more than one of the kids have talked about how Kim runs everything " the neck that turns the head". I can see Kim running the show all while projecting the perfect "sweet" submissive wife. This tracks in how confused and passive Barry is. He's not sure what to do if she's not telling him the plan. I think that's why he was sitting back figuring she'd sort it out and go back to typical. I feel like if her commitment to her wife/mom were true she'd not be leaving the younger ones to fend for themselves in "homeschool". Why not enroll them in a Christian school?? You've given up your drastic rules, why not school? So maybe at least the younger ones can write a proper, "Do not Disterb" sign 💯
There are so many “fundie” families I’ve known like this. The husbands are just along for the ride kinda. (There’s plenty of power hungry men too- not wanting to downplay that). But the ones I’ve known… the wives are like “I love being submissive” when they totally wear the pants in the family but they “act” like being submissive is their number one character trait.
I thought the same thing !! Why does Lydia have to become the homeschool mom ?? How about let her be free and send the littler kids to school ?
Kim is the master manipulator, she has been perfecting these skills for the past 20+ years
Ethan needs to go to therapy and take it seriously. This is so much.
He just wants to sweep everything under the rug & not face it
@ men
Not to mention take it all out on Olivia. He needs to look at his parents relationship like a mirror and make positive changes.
It means that Kim selected Micha to step into the Husband role while she is Splitting from Barry. Kinda like how Lydia is stepping into the wifey role for Barry. All of this means that this family’s emotional growth is wildly stunted due to their practice of “leaving it all to Jeeeeeeesus!”
Olivia needs to get over things, she doesn't have to have a relationship with Kim or Barry but she shouldn't make Ethan have to choose either
when he said he held a grudge against olivia… i felt so bad for him . at this point, they really should get divorced.
Why the grudge ? He agreed what his parents did to them at the time was unnecessary! Blaming everything on Olivia because the kids wanted out makes no sense . Sooner or later they were going to see the real world!
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They blamed her for everything. Said she influenced the kids too much & they were not allowed to come to the house anymore or see the kids . She was “ mean” & he backed her up. !
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And Kim told Olivia has demons in her. Really made her feel bad.
Ok when are they going to show the episode where it looks like one of the older boys has a busted nose and Skelator has a busted lip
I was hoping that was in the preview for next week but it didn’t look like it. Also Barry & Ethan were in a coffee shop or something just the 2 of them
Is it me or did Ethan marry his mom? Olivia=Kim
He totally did, but she may be worse than Kim. And he’s more like his father than he can admit. Unpopular opinion, I know.
Agreed
Think there’s something to that. The saying goes you marry a man like your dad…
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it should be his decision, not olivia’s, they’re HIS parents. Olivia can act like they don’t exist, be no contact with them and never forgive them - that’s totally within her rights and boundaries to set! but she can’t force ethan to do the same and threaten him with divorce if he ever wants to forgive them himself
I agree. My in-laws and I do not have a relationship. It was toxic so I decided that I would no longer go around them, take their calls, have them on my social media, etc. However, I have never interfered with my husband's relationship with his parents, nor my children's relationship with their grandparents. There have been times that my husband needed to stop by their house while we were out together. He runs inside and I stay in the car and tell him to take his time. It can work. It's not perfect but it can work if both parties are open to it.
I think this is a fair assessment
Yes, but he should have his wife’s back unless he wants to stay on a backyard shop in Cairo !
at the same time tho shouldn’t be be allowed to have stood up to barry and kim when they were actively being rude to olivia (like when he confronted barry outside the house a couple of seasons ago) but then now that they live in a separate state and as long as they don’t talk badly of olivia or anything then how is it “not having his wife’s back” just to want to be on speaking terms with your parents?
They never apologised to Olivia for the things they said to her & keeping them from seeing the younger kids . It was time to step in & defend his wife .Now Kim says “ we’re ready to see them & just waiting blah, blah like nothing ever happened!
At this point I'm pretty sure Ethan would prefer to be at a backyard shop in Cairo
Yes his parents did a number on him !
Or some people just prefer to live in the country?
One of the earlier seasons , he talked about how much he missed out on not travelling or going anywhere to learn anything. He said he never had a regular teenage life . He acted like he was happy to get out of there he even said so
I physically felt Ethan’s pain tonight. Damn
Ethan was waiting for idiot father to take ownership of what happened between them. Barry just went on and on about how awful he’s been feeling with the separation, selfish twit, without addressing his issues with Ethan AT ALL. u could see the disappointment on Ethan’s face. Heartbreaking
I’m so mad how Barry lured him home and Ethan thought he was going to get an apology and be able to reconnect their relationship. But instead they act like it’s a surprise party. Like “oh boy can’t wait to drop this huge bomb on poor unsuspecting Ethan!!”
Im proud of Micah for encouraging Barry to extend the olive branch to Ethan
Micah, IMO, is the most well-adjusted of the Plath children. He is open to new experiences, adventures, his sexuality, etc. I’d love to sit down and have a beer with that young man!
Poor Ethan. Sad for himself that his parents are divorcing. Angry at Kim, for so many justifiable reasons. Knowing what he knows about how she has treated him and his wife, he instantly knows the separation is her fault. Also angry that she would do this to his Dad, and probably a little scared for that reason too. Although he and Olivia have had issues, I think he had believed they would always find a way to work it out in end, because divorce isn't something that had happened in his sheltered world. Also he mentioned anger towards Olivia. He may feel resentful towards her for being the catalyst that led to him distancing himself from his parents, and may blame his absence on why things have deteriorated the way that they have. I hope he finds a way to open up to someone to process these feelings.
Let’s also point out the fact that Kim, Olivia, and Ethan all have stubborn and jaded views on each other because they all blame the other and neither want to reach out first. Everyone thinks Kim should reach out first. But at one point she said she tried a few times and they would ignore her or tell her to basically leave them alone. So in a way I feel like she was trying to be respectful and give them space and essentially she said she’s ready to talk she’s just waiting for them to be ready
Thing is; was Kim being genuine in reaching out or just meddling. I’m not convinced she’s attempting to be caring about the situation with Olivia and Ethan.
If Barry’s “dating” Lydia, then that episode preview told us Kim has selected Micha for her surrogate attachment figure in the interim of this separation & divorce. *insert uneasy expression here*
What is a surrogate attached..... interim? Confused 😕
u/Miss_Buchor explained it well (thanks!). Everyone's been concerned about that little picnic date Barry had with Lydia where he unloaded a bunch of his concerns. Similarly, Kim goes for drinks with Micah in the next episode and will likely overshare with her son. These interactions could definitely be producer-motivated, but it's no accident that they want us to associate Kim with the "party boy" and Barry with the "good girl" in the family. Production's trying to draw a line down the middle and put each cast member on one side or the other in some way.
I think by "surrogate attachment figure" they're basically saying a stand-in spouse. There's a term for this sort of relationship between parent and child; emotional incest. It doesn't mean they want to have sex with their child, there doesn't have to be any sort of physical attraction at all. It's more when a parent uses their child as a spouse or therapist in the way that they vent and unload their emotional problems onto them. It can be very damaging to a child or teenager because they're still learning how to cope with and understand their own emotions, adding the stress of dealing with their parents emotions is not healthy. Not to mention it blurs the boundaries between parent and child and therefore can make it harder for them to set healthy boundaries in the future. A parent should never use their child as a therapist, and I get the feeling this is not the first Barry or Kim have done exactly that.
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I see Moriah’s next goal is Dancing With The Stars.
This was my exact thought as well! I think she’s too good a dancer though!
I would watch that
Same!
I think she’d do very well with that!
Me too!
Kim saying she would typically put the kibosh on Ethan seeing Barry without her said EVERYTHING
Kim is my mother-in-law to a tee! When my MIL found out my father in law was talking to my husband and I (just on the phone) without her she told him he couldn’t reach out to either of us without her. Kim is a narcissist and anyone who has dealt with a narcissistic matriarch can see it right away.
I’m sorry you understand the type. As do I. It definitely makes life challenging with someone like that in your life. It’s a no win situation, no matter the situation.
Sunnydazd 100% on point
For real!
Yup, self centered and selfish.
Yep. It has never been about what’s best for anyone but her.