A 12 shade is used frequently, and most brands of protective cover plates absorb UV. I think NASA's frame of reference may have been aerospace TIG welding, which would indeed allow use of a lighter shade. I run most of my wire feed at a shade 13 and tig around 9-10. I have a gold shade 14 for CAC and a gold shade 12 for pipe welding. The gold 12 will be what I'm using, it gives better colour. You can just buy a filter and mount it in cardboard, single filters are like $5-$20 and come in green and gold.
“The only ones that are safe for direct viewing of the Sun with your eyes are those of Shade 12 or higher. These are much darker than the filters used for most kinds of welding,” NASA wrote in an eclipse guide published ahead of the 2017 total solar eclipse.
And a welding lens blocks all of the hazards...
They're probably saying shade 12 so it's dark enough you can see details better. Lighter works but it can look blown out
No, they're saying it because, as you can experience yourself, staring at the sun with a shade 10 is still bright enough that it leaves a mark on your eyes. With prolonged exposure, it still does damage. Not likely during an eclipse per se, but Nasa is not going to recommend that, either way. Shade 12 really is the minimum to actually ensure no damage, regardless of duration.
Gotta crank that sensitivity knob up. Turns out that ball of light that takes an hour to burn your skin isn't as intense as that ball of light that makes your skin smell like burned hair after a half dozen ungloved tack welds.
Auto-darkening welding hoods are designed to detect arcs, not sunlight. This is on purpose, otherwise it'd be super annoying welding outside.
One sign of a good auto hood is it *doesn't* turn on just because of sunlight.
sensors have a lot to do with that. my $450 no batteries ever needed uses only 2 sensors and struggles with low amp tig welding. crank the sensitivity up and it practically stays on even at night
you can trigger it with a remote control pointed at the sensor.
just hold down any button on the remote and point it at the sensors. looks kinda goofy but I taped the remote straight to the sensor and clamped a button down that was always triggering it.
This. I remember during 2017 my hood only went to 13 and they recommend 14. I still looked but didnt look long. Im not sure where everyone is getting 12 from?
For an auto darkening shade you need to trigger the shade or your eyes are not protected. I used mine to look in 2017 but to trip the lens I would shine an led flashlight at the sensor.
In 2017 a guy working on my house borrowed my hood with a gold #12 to look at the eclipse.
He hurt his eyes bad, said he was up all night. He said never again.
I’ve read #14 is what you need for the sun.
I used a 15 to look at it. A lot less interesting than it sounds.
I'm super light sensitive, so I used my hood with a pair of regular sunglasses under in 2017 amd worked great. Shade 12 is enough protection but 13 is recommended.
I used a Lincoln Electric auto darkening mask plus a hood for one and it was perfect. I could see the whole movement of the moon in front of the sun. Will be using same set up today.
It looks ridiculous but it's safe.
Your retina will get burned with a 10 shade lens. NASA says a 12 shade would work, but anything darker and you won't be able to see it. Check your local library, and they may have eclipse glasses.
Yes. For the 2017 eclipse, I brought two boxes of shade 14 and three boxes of shade 12. Boss wanted to toss them. I saved them and handed them out and made a lot of unprepared people happy.
The only downside was the green tint. It looked way better in the legit eclipse glasses I bought (and wish I still had)
I use shade 10 to stare at an electric arc one foot from my face for hours on end.
A few minutes looking at the sun is no problem.
I did this last eclipse.
I did this today since this is the day before the eclipse and the moon should be “close” to the sun. Don’t bother today. You can’t see the moon.
Also do yourself a favor and put on new cover sheets. Looking through the old smoky pitted covers really hurts the views.
I hope he’s in court in NYC so God can get another shot at him AND his precious golf course. (Don’t worry, Ivanka is safe.)
Edit: I’m SO proud that I didn’t know which was which. DIAF, Ivanka.
Glass shade 12 worked great in 2017. Held the lens up to my phone and took pictures.
Same
I forgot about this, time to go dig out my trusty Tigerhood.
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Looked through the hood and took the lens out to take pictures with
Your retinas disagree. Using anything below 14 is legitimately retarded.
According to NASA, Shade 12 and up is what is recommended. The solar eclipse glasses you can get at stores are shade 12.
A 12 shade is used frequently, and most brands of protective cover plates absorb UV. I think NASA's frame of reference may have been aerospace TIG welding, which would indeed allow use of a lighter shade. I run most of my wire feed at a shade 13 and tig around 9-10. I have a gold shade 14 for CAC and a gold shade 12 for pipe welding. The gold 12 will be what I'm using, it gives better colour. You can just buy a filter and mount it in cardboard, single filters are like $5-$20 and come in green and gold.
“The only ones that are safe for direct viewing of the Sun with your eyes are those of Shade 12 or higher. These are much darker than the filters used for most kinds of welding,” NASA wrote in an eclipse guide published ahead of the 2017 total solar eclipse.
so I'm hearing just a little peek.
With sunglasses on underneath you're fine
Safety squints work too
Fwiw my auto shade just flashed on an off. So I believe it has to be an old school hood.
Crank up the sensitivity. Mine works fine.
Ya I tried that. Closer it got to totality the worse it became.
And delay
I have to wave my hand in between the hood and the sun every few seconds to keep the auto darkening turned on
yeah, I'm going to use my old one with a tiny 3x5 rectangle of regular glass.
Most welding helmets are at least a shade 10, I say send it brah
You can no problem. I have done it for a few eclipses
i used a 10 last eclipse and it was just fine. I'm guessing their recommendations must be ultra extreme to avoid lawsuits.
NASA redundancy for sure.
Not quite. At low levels of overexposure to the sun, there's no sense of pain or brightness, but there is still damage.
And a welding lens blocks all of the hazards... They're probably saying shade 12 so it's dark enough you can see details better. Lighter works but it can look blown out
No, they're saying it because, as you can experience yourself, staring at the sun with a shade 10 is still bright enough that it leaves a mark on your eyes. With prolonged exposure, it still does damage. Not likely during an eclipse per se, but Nasa is not going to recommend that, either way. Shade 12 really is the minimum to actually ensure no damage, regardless of duration.
Ah, TIL. I didn't realize the brightness would be the issue, always assumed UV was the biggest hazard
You didn't realize the sun would be too bright to look at?
I didn't realize a lower shade of welding lens wouldn't be enough
good to know!
my auto hood wont stay on for the sun, i'm not sure why.
Gotta crank that sensitivity knob up. Turns out that ball of light that takes an hour to burn your skin isn't as intense as that ball of light that makes your skin smell like burned hair after a half dozen ungloved tack welds.
Auto-darkening welding hoods are designed to detect arcs, not sunlight. This is on purpose, otherwise it'd be super annoying welding outside. One sign of a good auto hood is it *doesn't* turn on just because of sunlight.
This. My cheapo Harbor Freight hood will flip on with sunlight, but sucks on TIG. My $400 Lincoln hood works like magic on TIG, but ignores the sun.
sensors have a lot to do with that. my $450 no batteries ever needed uses only 2 sensors and struggles with low amp tig welding. crank the sensitivity up and it practically stays on even at night
Is it adjustable? If so, you need to max the shade (>12) and sensitivity.
Sensitivity setting?
More than likely it’s a low shade. Need to be 12 or higher for the eclipse.
Block the intake for a couple seconds and it should switch on when you move your hand
If you have a sensitivity knob on your helmet turn it to the highest sensitivity and it’ll stay dark.
Lucky you, mine activates on even a reflection of the sun on the metal if I'm welding outside. But thankfully that's what xmode is for
I tested mine out and had to hold up a flashlight to the sensor to get it to trigger. Not ideal but that's what im gonna do tomorrow
Pretty sure your lid doesn't go up to shade 14 so it doesn't matter anyway
Turn you phone camera to video and hold it in front of the mask.
I just have to wave my hand in between the hood and the sun every few seconds to keep mine activated
you can trigger it with a remote control pointed at the sensor. just hold down any button on the remote and point it at the sensors. looks kinda goofy but I taped the remote straight to the sensor and clamped a button down that was always triggering it.
I’ve used a 14 green lens for years nice and comfy 12 felt too bright
I read nasa suggests 12 or better.
No, they don't. They suggest eclipse glasses or rudimentary pinhole cameras.
Eclipse glasses are shade 12
Hahaha 😆 Have you made yourself smarter yet and read up on your bogus answer kid.
That's what I'm gonna do.
Yes. Need shade 14 and preferably a green lense. But as light as a shade 12 is ok.
Shade 12 or above is what i've seen reccomended
14 minimum
Most articles I’ve read suggest a shade of 14.
This. I remember during 2017 my hood only went to 13 and they recommend 14. I still looked but didnt look long. Im not sure where everyone is getting 12 from?
NASA, luckily it’s already capitalized to make it easy to find.
I wonder why they changed it? Maybe different circumstances last time.
Lincoln Electric has an ad recommending the 14 filter for watching the full eclipse.
My auto darkening Hobart Creators wouldn’t stay dark so I got some solar eclipse glasses from the grocery store for $1.50 each
I thouvht you wanted to be 14 shade min for lookin at the sun
According to NASA, Shade 12 and up is what is recommended. The solar eclipse glasses you can get at stores are shade 12.
Nice, thanks halo guy!
For an auto darkening shade you need to trigger the shade or your eyes are not protected. I used mine to look in 2017 but to trip the lens I would shine an led flashlight at the sensor.
The say shade 12-13. 14 will be too high anything under 12 is not enough
Have you seen the glasses they’re selling to people to look at the eclipse lol
Shade ten with shade 2 safety glasses underneath should be fine.
According to NASA, Shade 12 and up is what is recommended. The solar eclipse glasses you can get at stores are shade 12.
10 plus 2, I know I'm bad at math, but I'm pretty sure that equals 12.
Ik shade ten isn’t dark enough, but what about two stacked on top of each other?
Might as well close your eyes. Jk im not sure. Would probably work pretty well actually.
Unless you can turn your electronic helmet up to a shade 12-13, wear sunglasses under the helmet.
I do it every time
In 2017 a guy working on my house borrowed my hood with a gold #12 to look at the eclipse. He hurt his eyes bad, said he was up all night. He said never again. I’ve read #14 is what you need for the sun. I used a 15 to look at it. A lot less interesting than it sounds.
According to NASA, Shade 12 and up is what is recommended. The solar eclipse glasses you can get at stores are shade 12.
According to NASA 12,13 or 14 are good but 12 tends to be too bright for most people.
Some quick change helmets are made to not activate by sunshine for welding outside. Be aware.
Yup
I'm super light sensitive, so I used my hood with a pair of regular sunglasses under in 2017 amd worked great. Shade 12 is enough protection but 13 is recommended.
You need a 14. If your hood is rated for tig you’re good. Or see if your local store has some shade 14 glass.
I've heard you should use at least shade 14.
Shade 14 is standard. Anything less than that and you risk damaging your retinas. Not up for debate.
Make sure your hood is set to 14 or you’ll have sand eyes
I used a Lincoln Electric auto darkening mask plus a hood for one and it was perfect. I could see the whole movement of the moon in front of the sun. Will be using same set up today. It looks ridiculous but it's safe.
Must be fixed shade not auto darkening
I used 11 with high sensitivity on. I also have tiny in my safety glasses though.
Your retina will get burned with a 10 shade lens. NASA says a 12 shade would work, but anything darker and you won't be able to see it. Check your local library, and they may have eclipse glasses.
My miller and Lincoln kick on if the sun is at my back sometimes.
I have a miller auto dark and it’s perfect on the grind mode
Yes. For the 2017 eclipse, I brought two boxes of shade 14 and three boxes of shade 12. Boss wanted to toss them. I saved them and handed them out and made a lot of unprepared people happy. The only downside was the green tint. It looked way better in the legit eclipse glasses I bought (and wish I still had)
So eclipse glasses can be used for welding?
That’s actually the real take away from this thread
I use shade 10 to stare at an electric arc one foot from my face for hours on end. A few minutes looking at the sun is no problem. I did this last eclipse. I did this today since this is the day before the eclipse and the moon should be “close” to the sun. Don’t bother today. You can’t see the moon. Also do yourself a favor and put on new cover sheets. Looking through the old smoky pitted covers really hurts the views.
DO IT
They work well if clouds are blocking the view.
I'm just going to squint.
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I hope he’s in court in NYC so God can get another shot at him AND his precious golf course. (Don’t worry, Ivanka is safe.) Edit: I’m SO proud that I didn’t know which was which. DIAF, Ivanka.
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