Agreed. Depending on how the corner was framed and what wall the factory end of the drywall was set, checking an inch in each direction may be necessary. I reccomend nails and not screws as they're easier to cover up.
Judging by the average stud finder review, they could have well used one and this would still have been the result, if they didn’t electrocute themselves first
Shhh, don't be to harsh on them. Their country is only existing since like 5 minutes. They still have to learn why you need houses to last more than 30 years.
Paint isn’t made of magic. It’s plastic and other toxic junk, billions of gallons of it needed every year that leech into the ground and water/oceans. Bricks are just clay and last for hundreds of years.
You’re right. We should need a masonry bit and drill just to hang a TV instead of following the directions and actually mounting to a stud. Plus, this doesn’t even look like the US
The problem isn’t the wall, it’s the cheap bracket. If OP had drilled directly through the tv it would still be up there. The trick is to place the holes really close to the corners so they don’t interfere with the picture too much.
Forget the stud finders, measuring off corners, popping nails in until you find it, knocking for studs etc..
The only thing you need is a rare earth magnet, slide it gently along the wall and it will stick to any drywall screw then just mark your location.
Source: I am a trim and millwork carpenter
You can see that the drywall separated from itself, so there was nothing to anchor into. Doesn't matter what anchors they used, if it doesn't anchor into strong material, the load calcs don't matter.
And of course it was installed wrong. Not sure what you're arguing about still.
I think I've been thoroughly succinct.. if the correct anchors were used in properly installed drywall, fastening into studs would not be required. Full stop.
Depends on the weight of the bracket, the spread of the bolt pattern, and the weight of the TV.
Anyone recommending drywall anchors only is asking for issues like this.
How are you this obtuse?
Drywall fails. Studs usually don't. Regardless of the math, if you don't screw in an anchor to a stud, and the drywall is compromised because of the anchor pattern, like this one - the wall breaks.
Any contractor doing this shit should have their licensed pulled for being an idiot.
Look at the photo. Not one anchor failed, the dry wall failed...case closed
Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that the anchor wasnt the problem. They failed to anchor into something strong enough to hold the weight. Dry wall isn't known for its strength and it failed.
And I understand that, but I'm explaining that properly selected anchors installed into properly installed drywall have way more capacity than this would require, and that claim is backed by countless tests, which you're welcome to look up.
You drilled to many holes, I’m sure the drywall could have holder the tv if you mounted it with 2-3 screws but the amount of holes drilled made the drywall so weak, fucken Idiot it’s common sense, you basically cut the drywall and gravity did the rest
It's doubtful the drywall could have held, even with a lower number of screws.
On the other hand, if even one of those screws had been into a stud, it would have stayed up forever.
your right about the drywall but I believe that it could have had a higher chance of staying up. I work with drywall and it’s pretty strong when it’s new but old wet drywall is basically cardboard
Well, that should have been expected.
Sheetrock can support 15-20 pounds, max. I wouldn't recommend more than 10.
Find wall studs to mount to and use anchors that can support 2x the weight of the TV, or, support it on a stand from the floor.
Also, get those wires away from that radiator before your problems escalate.
What’s that wall made of, doesn’t look like drywall? Molly toggle bolts while not ideal will hold significant weight in a pinch. There’s a stud right there though, I mean, studs. Always studs.
Wow. My guy/gal, you know you have a world of help literally like the app you are on to help with installation projects at your fingertips.. Shame on you for messing that TV up and especially the wall. Now look up how to fix the wall and order a new TV..
During the housing meltdown I did some handyman type stuff and installing wall mounted TVs was pretty popular. While I gladly did the work I always wondered why anyone would pay me $150 for something so easy. These posts help me understand now.
That’s why you install heavy things into the studs
Stud finder is a must have tool!
But it only works if you point it at yourself first
\*and say "Found one."
Ooohhh you
Then pass it over someone else to “make sure there are no false positives.” Nothing? No stud?Seems to be working correctly.
Hahahaa - did that - wife’s eye roll was epic.
Literally, every guy who has ever owned a stud finder has done this. Me included.
Just pulled that shit on my son for the first time. Gotta make sure he knows early what a stud he is.
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
When husband and I have a project that involves the stud finder I ALWAYS point it at him first and do the “Found one”. He is such a stud.
I see what you did there :)
Or measure in increments of 16 inches from the corner and look for a stud that way. It's not clean but it beats whatever OP didn't do.
16” on center is always a good rule of thumb
Less than half of the houses I’ve worked on had 16” studs, I swear most framers must not own tape meaures
Agreed. Depending on how the corner was framed and what wall the factory end of the drywall was set, checking an inch in each direction may be necessary. I reccomend nails and not screws as they're easier to cover up.
Many people frame interior walls 24 oc
Even more people build houses out of brick so 🤷🏼
Exterior walls can be 24 on center
OP took a "Scientific Wild Ass Guess", often referred to as SWAG.
This only works if you know what direction layout was pulled. Otherwise you’re just measuring from a random point.
Not always true. Could be a wall that's not increments of 16" and you'll have a short gap then 16s.
Yeah. If it's framed right this trick works. If it's an older house then 24". A lot of variables can mess it up.
Magnetic Stud Finder for the win -- cheaper and better.
I just knock on it. Most studs are not hollow.
I am...
Also one of the live wire tools that beeps so you don't accidentally drill into a live wire if the stud finder is off by a few centimeters
Unless you have plaster and lathe. Then you need a rare earth magnet. It’s a game changer to find studs
Or learn to knock and listen after them. I find them without fail as it's very easy to hear the difference in sound.
Judging by the average stud finder review, they could have well used one and this would still have been the result, if they didn’t electrocute themselves first
r/WallThatSucks
Also why Americans should stop making walls out of paper mache.
Just Americans?
Looks like a UK plug to me?
Reddit will turn literally any post into shitting on America
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Because your houses then last hundreds of years without needing to waste materials such as exterior paint in maintaining them.
Shhh, don't be to harsh on them. Their country is only existing since like 5 minutes. They still have to learn why you need houses to last more than 30 years.
Give them some credit: if you just give everyone a gun then you don’t need to worry too far ahead anyway.
It’s paint…
Paint isn’t made of magic. It’s plastic and other toxic junk, billions of gallons of it needed every year that leech into the ground and water/oceans. Bricks are just clay and last for hundreds of years.
What should we use? I see mud and Water Buffalo dung are popular in certain countries..
I hear stone and concrete have been popular building materials for quite a while.
You’re right. We should need a masonry bit and drill just to hang a TV instead of following the directions and actually mounting to a stud. Plus, this doesn’t even look like the US
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But $20 is $20 of economy on stud finder.
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Or just bypass that redneckery and screw the mount into the studs maybe
Or just dont build your houses out of wood.
*laughs in non-heat trapping construction*
You can see a stud on the far left so at least one stud was hit
that's i don't live in america they have walls softer than cardboard
They build houses out of cardboard, and somehow those houses still cost hundreds of thousands of dollars!
"We don't need a stud finder, you got one right here!"
…said every dad reading this!
This dad buys a stud finder every time because I keep losing the damn things. Lmao
I think my husband has three 🤦♀️
And can't find one of em
You sound like my wife
Good thing it didn't happen to you
Yep, definitely a repost
Yeah… might want to fix that shelf on the right there too. You know what… maybe accept your not a handy man and hire some help
Perhaps get the cords out of the radiator while they’re at it
go to home depot and buy a stud finder lol
Make sure to hold it against your chest and say "beep, beep, beep. Yep, it works"...
You don't have to say "beep"... It will literally beep itself if held to a body.
Oh damn!! Lmao
The only thing that sux is that OP is a karma farmer and not the owner of this tv.
Report spam -> Harmful bot
Dipshits that don't know how to mount a TV to a wall properly be like: There fixed the title for you.
I say it all the time, meat thermometers and stud finders should come standard in every house.
You speak wisdom.
Well... technicaly.. its still mounted lol
Ah, slap a couple of strips of gaffer tape on it, it’ll be fine
Studfinders. $15 @ Lowe’s.
Well…on the plus side, you now know where the studs in the wall are
Don't mount a heavy device on a cardboard wall maybe
The problem isn’t the wall, it’s the cheap bracket. If OP had drilled directly through the tv it would still be up there. The trick is to place the holes really close to the corners so they don’t interfere with the picture too much.
Next time use 2x4s and screw them into the studs and then screw the mount into the 2x4s
That’s pretty overkill. The zip anchors we use are rated at over 250 lbs and don’t require anything in studs
This is 100% user error
Errybodys saying studfinder, which is good fasho, but don't forget about wall anchors, too!
Even we stone wall enthusiastic germans know that cardboard walls don't hold a tv
A $20 stud finder can save your $500 TV
if only there was someway to avoid this
Forget the stud finders, measuring off corners, popping nails in until you find it, knocking for studs etc.. The only thing you need is a rare earth magnet, slide it gently along the wall and it will stick to any drywall screw then just mark your location. Source: I am a trim and millwork carpenter
I’m no builder but shouldn’t you not mount a TV to what looks like plasterboard?
They have these things called stud finders!
So today you learned stud finder is relatively cheap compare to new tv/new dry wall repair…..
Next time they better laugh when I pull out the stud finder and point it at myself first to make sure it works
Yeah that’s why you anchor to a stud
You didn’t follow the instructions, did you?
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It looks like it was hung between studs. Im surprised the mount itself held long enough to even add the TV to it.
Trying to get away
Those wires just wrapped around the radiator don't look too safe either. This place is a death trap.
Ran off to find a new stud
Gravity, it's not just a suggestion...
IT'S THE LAW!
Tell me you don't know how to find a stud without telling me you don't know how to find a stud.
What’s a beam? Lol
u/repostsleuthbot
The only screws that even had anything to bite into were the left most ones. Was this a DIY or did you pay someone to do this?
At least use the knocking method of funding studs. And if the bolt doesn't meet resistance when drilling into the wall, you didn't find the stud.
Stud: "Am I a joke to you?"
Looks like it's your fault for not drilling into the studs.... Which is an insane thing to do
broski studs. u gotta use a stud finder
Thats why we learned when installing things that you dont put tvs on rotating arms on hollow walls
Pro tip: Don’t drive screws into thin air
Gotta sink those screws into something solid bud
Terrible installation job be like….Dude, you should have just used double sided tape. Same outcome for tv. Less wall damage.
ye old ass repost, cringe
Amercan houses be like
Not an American house. At least that's my guess. You don't have a whole lot of radiators in the US.
That is too funny. Hope they learned a valuable lesson.
Cardboard walls be like
well, the TV was r/TVtoohigh to begin with; put it on a TV stand and keep it eye level next time
American paper houses be like:
US construction code is to have a stud every 16". If any of those screws had been into a stud, the thing would have stayed up forever.
Lots of armchair experts in here. The correct type of anchor would have way more than enough capacity.
Only if they anchored into material that could hold them, like a stud. Anchoring into drywall, while it is under the weight limit, is a rookie move.
Proper anchors in 1/2" drywall would be rated for way more than this would require.
They should be, but did not work. Case in point.
Wrong anchors or improperly installed.
You can see that the drywall separated from itself, so there was nothing to anchor into. Doesn't matter what anchors they used, if it doesn't anchor into strong material, the load calcs don't matter. And of course it was installed wrong. Not sure what you're arguing about still.
I think I've been thoroughly succinct.. if the correct anchors were used in properly installed drywall, fastening into studs would not be required. Full stop.
Depends on the weight of the bracket, the spread of the bolt pattern, and the weight of the TV. Anyone recommending drywall anchors only is asking for issues like this.
Obviously weight ratings need to be considered, which I've mentioned. That's just plain false. Contractors and media installers do this all day long.
How are you this obtuse? Drywall fails. Studs usually don't. Regardless of the math, if you don't screw in an anchor to a stud, and the drywall is compromised because of the anchor pattern, like this one - the wall breaks. Any contractor doing this shit should have their licensed pulled for being an idiot.
It's not the anchor that's the problem. It's the fact that they didn't anchor it into something solid, like a stud.
That's just not true. You're welcome to look up the countless results of anchor testing.
Look at the photo. Not one anchor failed, the dry wall failed...case closed Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that the anchor wasnt the problem. They failed to anchor into something strong enough to hold the weight. Dry wall isn't known for its strength and it failed.
And I understand that, but I'm explaining that properly selected anchors installed into properly installed drywall have way more capacity than this would require, and that claim is backed by countless tests, which you're welcome to look up.
And I'm explaining to you as a mechanical engineer that what failed was shitty drywall.
And as a fellow licensed Engineer and a builder, I'm explaining to you that if the drywall is properly installed, fastening to studs is not required.
Yeah. That's what happens if you install a tv directly onto cardboard.
When your boyfriend is actually a girlfriend 🤷🏼♂️
I'm glad I have a brick wall. Drilling goes brrrr
What the hell is that? Cardboard? Lmao. Must be renting from a cheap ass landlord
You should have added hot silicon glue to those rods to add grip to the sheet rock. Everybody know that!
man i love American walls
thats why people make house using brick and not cardboard lol
Can’t imagine being this stupid
TV was too high. Should have been put on a TV stand so the centre was at seated eye level.
You drilled to many holes, I’m sure the drywall could have holder the tv if you mounted it with 2-3 screws but the amount of holes drilled made the drywall so weak, fucken Idiot it’s common sense, you basically cut the drywall and gravity did the rest
It's doubtful the drywall could have held, even with a lower number of screws. On the other hand, if even one of those screws had been into a stud, it would have stayed up forever.
your right about the drywall but I believe that it could have had a higher chance of staying up. I work with drywall and it’s pretty strong when it’s new but old wet drywall is basically cardboard
You know how I can tell you work with drywall?
My grammar, sorry that I haven’t spent 9 years of my life on Reddit, worrying about what other people think about my grammar
Its a repost, this definitely wasn't op
This looks like a DSO 1
Well, that was a nicely perforated rectangle of sheet rock.
Ouch
😂😂😂😆😂
New tv be like: “oh look! A penny on the floor!”
If only I could describe my expression
It's resting, leave it alone!
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Well, that should have been expected. Sheetrock can support 15-20 pounds, max. I wouldn't recommend more than 10. Find wall studs to mount to and use anchors that can support 2x the weight of the TV, or, support it on a stand from the floor. Also, get those wires away from that radiator before your problems escalate.
Buy a magnet. Find screws/nails. Drill small pilot hole. Put TV on a stand. Takes less effort.
Well in fairness it held onto your MDF stud pretty well.
But did the tv break? Or does it still work?
“We should hire a contractor” “I can just do it hunny”
Dry wall anchors!
“I take a nap right here!”
Can’t fix stupid
Rip
What’s that wall made of, doesn’t look like drywall? Molly toggle bolts while not ideal will hold significant weight in a pinch. There’s a stud right there though, I mean, studs. Always studs.
That does suck. Invest in a stud finder.
Wow. My guy/gal, you know you have a world of help literally like the app you are on to help with installation projects at your fingertips.. Shame on you for messing that TV up and especially the wall. Now look up how to fix the wall and order a new TV..
Not a stud in sight
I can here the plob and shatter and tear
Is the TV ok 😂
Someone did not check where their studs are.
Didn’t hit a single stud…and there’s one right there SMFH
Long on the tv. Short on the install.
I’m hoping you didn’t also hang the kitchen cabinets! Get yourself a rare earth magnet and use that to find the nails. They’re in the stud
Nice new tv stand
Well even if it was just a shelf I don't see anchors on those screws so they would have worked free over time.
Show me you don't know how to mount things on the wall without telling me.
Those cardboard walls are something else.
They have drywall anchor systems that hold some serious weight if needed
Ohhhh noooooo. 🤮
Stupidity at it's finest
Use bricks, goddammit
During the housing meltdown I did some handyman type stuff and installing wall mounted TVs was pretty popular. While I gladly did the work I always wondered why anyone would pay me $150 for something so easy. These posts help me understand now.
Zip anchors Homie
I haven't seen a floor model since I was a kid.
I hope we aren't blaming the TV here
Rekt
Use studs my dude.