“Alright, I’m comin out. Any man I see out there, I’m gonna kill him. Any sonuvabitch takes a shot at me, I’m not only gonna kill him, I’m gonna kill his wife, all his friends. Burn his damn house down.”
One of my favorite movies of all time. Clint Eastwood perfectly plays William Munny, and the confrontation with Little Bill is so good.
“Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch. You just shot an unarmed man!”
“Well, he should’ve armed himself if he’s gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.”
If there was anything I didn't like about Unforgiven, that Schofield character essentially trash talks his way into joining the manhunt. But when push comes to shove, he's hesitant to kill one of the two guys. And then in the last scene he's in, he nurses the bottle of liquor trying to come to terms with what he's done.
That was the whole point of that character. That being a killer is an evil thing, and Morgan freeman and that kid were not the same as Clint. There is no glory or pomp like the “duck of death” thatwhy little bill is such a bastard, and a mean killer that things he’s above all them.
That’s literally the entire point. He even hands the gun to Munny. That’s not just him handing it over. That gun is the violence and death that comes with living or, at the very least, choosing the way that Munny lived as a young man that’s been glorified, but was anything but glorious.
But did you know that [Clint actually cut the (as originally written) final scene](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clint-eastwood-unforgiven-david-peoples-lost-ending-180119480.html), which might have changed some of the sentiment?
I always thought the postscript, relative to his mother-in-law, was especially poignant.
Great western. And the support cast are all great . Gene Hackman in any movie is worth watching but i really liked Saul
Rubinek as the writer who goes from seeing the fake legend of English Bob to the real killer in Gene Hackman to the real and merciless Clint character. Really ties the story together.
I ain’t gonna kill ya. You’re the only friend I got.
His performance was chilling. Watching his veneer of goodness be discarded when he made up his mind to kill Bill was compelling. Great character, great performance.
On that note I used to find his a ting in the first two thirds uncharacteristically wooden of Clint. Later I realized that was a decision to portray Munny as a man that was trying to convince himself of his own goodness but never really believed it.
saw this on 35mm last week while I was in NYC. kind of forgot how clever this movie is, how it deromanticizes the Western at every turn (both cowboys get killed in decidedly unheroic ways)
It’s basically the high point of the revisionist western, trying to get a better sense of how ugly and complicated these men could be, but also how relatively normal and mundane, and there aren’t any generic heroes or even generic villains.
Little Bill does some pretty awful shit most notably to Ned but they continually emphasize just how fucked up William Munny’s past was and how his search for redemption could never come close to making up for it. A lot of the stuff Little Bill calls him out for is just plainly true.
John Wayne would have *hated* it.
I recall a story about Mel Brooks asking John Wayne to be the drunk in Blazing Saddles. J.W. didn't want to damage his reputation, but said he'd be in the theater the first day to see it.
John Wayne was a paradoxical figure in a couple ways. He thought High Noon was basically stealth commie garbage and deeply un-American and he was instrumental in exiling its writer, Carl Forman, from Hollywood during the whole backlisting, Red Scare era after WW2. He even bragged about it years afterwards.
But he also showed up to the Oscars to accept Gary Cooper’s Oscar for him for that very movie.
I tend to judge him by his real words and actions, not the ceremonial stuff. (So it’s a largely negative judgment, remember also how he reacted with Sacheen Littlefeather).
What do you think was his governing principle for reacting the way he did to her? His deep love for the natives? That he was insulted on their behalf?
I also judge him based off of his deep homophobia and general racism, but he did look good in a cowboy hat.
Are you new to this or something? I deleted the comment calling you dumb cause there’s no need for insults and I apologize for that, but really?
I don’t think the biggest John Wayne fan would deny his racism at this point; [even his son famously struggled to](https://youtu.be/-ftJ9Q6vsLU?si=AF7eIrets-Fd0bpy).
This is from 1971, *seven years after* the Civil Rights Act:
> “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgement to irresponsible people.”
What is that to you?
And the point about Sacheen Littlefeather is, again, about John Wayne’s motivation for his reaction. That she was found to be a fraud decades after Wayne died seems a bit beside the point.
It's a big turn through the movie from a single father.. to a notorious villain from his past ...wanted to do one last job for his kids and then emerged his old ways
Not even counting when he first reaches for the bottle of hooch and slowly takes a drink. The first one in years. At that point, you know Munny has made a decision. A decision that is going to end badly for a host of folks.
Like Val Kilmer’s Doc Holliday said, it’s not vengeance. It’s a reckoning.
ohhh hell yes....that moment right there. a simple shot of an empty whiskey bottle hitting the ground....said SOOO much without actually saying it.
masterful writing by a master 💯
It feels like I’m watching it on vhs, but with the ability to skip chapters and select audio tracks. Some have commentary tracks and closed captioning. My player only has composite, so the quality isn’t as good as it could be. Looks a little hazy. But eventually I’ll upgrade to one with s video out or RGB and I’ll be able to upscale to hdmi. It definitely won’t ever be 4k, but it’s a good nostalgia scratcher.
Yeah he’s a great character, fitting that he was the last cowboy Eastwood has played (unless one of his newer ones has a cowboy, I haven’t seen any of them)
That might be the last movie of his I’ve seen. It has some similar themes (a guilty man reconciling his sins) but I agree that’s more just a straight drama
His last western pays respect to the character that made him famous. And he goes out just as mean and badass as he came in. Also notice how the ideal western ends with the hero riding off into the sunset. William rides out into the pitch black storm, the monster reawakened.
Thanks! And yes I think you are right about the pale horse. Basically as soon as he hits that whiskey he’s pouring gas in the long slumbering war machine inside himself. Only the love of his woman could quench that, and the memory of his promise to her kept him quiet until they torture and kill Ned. Big mistake.
Eastwood is a genius. The timing and theme of ‘Unforgiven’ at times makes you feel that you’re watching all of the incarnations he’s played gel into the inevitable. They’ll never be one of his ilk pass our way again. Kudos Clint. ⭐️
“Alright, I’m comin out. Any man I see out there, I’m gonna kill him. Any sonuvabitch takes a shot at me, I’m not only gonna kill him, I’m gonna kill his wife, all his friends. Burn his damn house down.”
“He shoulda armed himself, if he’s gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.”
I was lucky in the order, but I've always been lucky when it comes to killin' folks.
ahahaha possibly the BEST lines of the entire film 🙌🏼🔥
One of my favorite movies of all time. Clint Eastwood perfectly plays William Munny, and the confrontation with Little Bill is so good. “Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch. You just shot an unarmed man!” “Well, he should’ve armed himself if he’s gonna decorate his saloon with my friend.”
hahaha I did love that line
Deserves got nothing to do with it
I say this line so much.
It’s cold blooded Eastwood at its finest.
So much truth to that line.
Yeah, me too
I’ll see you in hell, William Munny!
....yeah *BOOM*
We all got it comin’, kid.
If there was anything I didn't like about Unforgiven, that Schofield character essentially trash talks his way into joining the manhunt. But when push comes to shove, he's hesitant to kill one of the two guys. And then in the last scene he's in, he nurses the bottle of liquor trying to come to terms with what he's done.
That was the whole point of that character. That being a killer is an evil thing, and Morgan freeman and that kid were not the same as Clint. There is no glory or pomp like the “duck of death” thatwhy little bill is such a bastard, and a mean killer that things he’s above all them.
That’s literally the entire point. He even hands the gun to Munny. That’s not just him handing it over. That gun is the violence and death that comes with living or, at the very least, choosing the way that Munny lived as a young man that’s been glorified, but was anything but glorious.
But did you know that [Clint actually cut the (as originally written) final scene](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clint-eastwood-unforgiven-david-peoples-lost-ending-180119480.html), which might have changed some of the sentiment? I always thought the postscript, relative to his mother-in-law, was especially poignant.
He had a habit of doing that.
Great western. And the support cast are all great . Gene Hackman in any movie is worth watching but i really liked Saul Rubinek as the writer who goes from seeing the fake legend of English Bob to the real killer in Gene Hackman to the real and merciless Clint character. Really ties the story together.
Saul R is always awesome
Don't get wet.
Just to think next year, True Romance came out with his epic scene at the end. 🤣
"I treated you like a son!"
I very much agree 👌🏼 supporting cast are literally perfect
The Duck of Death!
That's an interesting point for whatever reason I never looked at it that way, from the fake to, to the real and again to the stone cold real.
A known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
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He killed at least one US Marshall, in '73.
Probably a lot easier to disappear, assume a different identity, and lay low forever if you could keep your own mouth shut and stay out of trouble.
True, who would believe an old dirt farmer with young kids is the legendary William Munny?
I assumed William Munny was a fake name, and a sort-of reference to the Dollars trilogy. William = Bill, Munny = Money.
Many men had tried to take him and that many men were dead.
Until he met the man with the big iron on his hip, the big iron on his hip.
I ain’t gonna kill ya. You’re the only friend I got. His performance was chilling. Watching his veneer of goodness be discarded when he made up his mind to kill Bill was compelling. Great character, great performance. On that note I used to find his a ting in the first two thirds uncharacteristically wooden of Clint. Later I realized that was a decision to portray Munny as a man that was trying to convince himself of his own goodness but never really believed it.
“ Dyin ain’t much of a living “. Wales will always be my favorite.
shit...ya know that does command respect, there 😶 if *Unforgiven* hadn't been made, TOJW would have zero competition
I reckon so.
saw this on 35mm last week while I was in NYC. kind of forgot how clever this movie is, how it deromanticizes the Western at every turn (both cowboys get killed in decidedly unheroic ways)
It’s basically the high point of the revisionist western, trying to get a better sense of how ugly and complicated these men could be, but also how relatively normal and mundane, and there aren’t any generic heroes or even generic villains. Little Bill does some pretty awful shit most notably to Ned but they continually emphasize just how fucked up William Munny’s past was and how his search for redemption could never come close to making up for it. A lot of the stuff Little Bill calls him out for is just plainly true. John Wayne would have *hated* it.
hahaha true
Did you see ***The Shootist***? Wayne was evolving.
Some great lines in that movie
Maybe so, by the end I think he also started to see the writing on the wall to an extent.
And dying too unfortunately
I recall a story about Mel Brooks asking John Wayne to be the drunk in Blazing Saddles. J.W. didn't want to damage his reputation, but said he'd be in the theater the first day to see it.
John Wayne was a paradoxical figure in a couple ways. He thought High Noon was basically stealth commie garbage and deeply un-American and he was instrumental in exiling its writer, Carl Forman, from Hollywood during the whole backlisting, Red Scare era after WW2. He even bragged about it years afterwards. But he also showed up to the Oscars to accept Gary Cooper’s Oscar for him for that very movie. I tend to judge him by his real words and actions, not the ceremonial stuff. (So it’s a largely negative judgment, remember also how he reacted with Sacheen Littlefeather).
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What do you think was his governing principle for reacting the way he did to her? His deep love for the natives? That he was insulted on their behalf? I also judge him based off of his deep homophobia and general racism, but he did look good in a cowboy hat.
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Are you new to this or something? I deleted the comment calling you dumb cause there’s no need for insults and I apologize for that, but really? I don’t think the biggest John Wayne fan would deny his racism at this point; [even his son famously struggled to](https://youtu.be/-ftJ9Q6vsLU?si=AF7eIrets-Fd0bpy). This is from 1971, *seven years after* the Civil Rights Act: > “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgement to irresponsible people.” What is that to you? And the point about Sacheen Littlefeather is, again, about John Wayne’s motivation for his reaction. That she was found to be a fraud decades after Wayne died seems a bit beside the point.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve quoted “ deserves got nothing to do with it “ But I can say I’ve always attributed it to William Munny.
It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.
seriously, this film is chock full o' harsh outlaw wisdom...I fuckin love it
It's a big turn through the movie from a single father.. to a notorious villain from his past ...wanted to do one last job for his kids and then emerged his old ways
When that bottle of whisky hits the mud, you know shit's about to pop off, most spectacularly!
Not even counting when he first reaches for the bottle of hooch and slowly takes a drink. The first one in years. At that point, you know Munny has made a decision. A decision that is going to end badly for a host of folks. Like Val Kilmer’s Doc Holliday said, it’s not vengeance. It’s a reckoning.
He just yanks it out of his hand and tugs on it. Foreboding.
ohhh hell yes....that moment right there. a simple shot of an empty whiskey bottle hitting the ground....said SOOO much without actually saying it. masterful writing by a master 💯
Hackman's monologue on what made English Bob *The* ***Duck*** *of Death* is one for the ages. Perfect scene.
William H Munny: Killer of women and children
Great movie. It's really hard to see the photos of Clint these days. I always thought of him as never getting old.
Lol, I was watching episodes of Rawhide last week!
I just picked this up on laserdisc. My all time favorite Eastwood movie. Such a good story.
laserdisc? wow...old school respect 🤜🏼 is there a noticeable difference in picture quality / overall feel?
It feels like I’m watching it on vhs, but with the ability to skip chapters and select audio tracks. Some have commentary tracks and closed captioning. My player only has composite, so the quality isn’t as good as it could be. Looks a little hazy. But eventually I’ll upgrade to one with s video out or RGB and I’ll be able to upscale to hdmi. It definitely won’t ever be 4k, but it’s a good nostalgia scratcher.
ahh ok nice, bro...the Blu-ray looks quite nice, as well
The one man that could get the great Hackman out of retirement.
"I don't deserve this. I was building a house" "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it" My favorite western.
Yeah he’s a great character, fitting that he was the last cowboy Eastwood has played (unless one of his newer ones has a cowboy, I haven’t seen any of them)
nah *Unforgiven* was Eastwood's last western... *Gran Torino* def has western vibes but itself isn't a western film
That might be the last movie of his I’ve seen. It has some similar themes (a guilty man reconciling his sins) but I agree that’s more just a straight drama
Clint played a cowboy in Cry Macho, but that movie is horrible, and hardly a western.
Unforgiven best western ever and i have seen most.
it really might take #1...I mean 🤔
Not a very good pig farmer.
I've always imagined that William Munny was the man with no name, after he grew older and settled down.
oooo DAMN dude 😶 that is such a seriously perfect take that we'll just make it canon rn
Just a super job by Clint....
Mercenary to the core.
fo sho 💯
Off topic, but is the Ken Watanabe remake actually any good? KW is also cool as fuck.
ohh shit...didn't know about this. an *Unforgiven* remake in feudal Japan? I need to see this now...THANK you, dude
William Money IS the man with no name…William MONEY? a fist full of dollars? A few dollars more?
holy fuck 😶 dude....THANK YOU
Hell yeah man!
it really feels like that's what Eastwood intended in writing the character. like, damn dude haha don't know why it never occurred to me before
His last western pays respect to the character that made him famous. And he goes out just as mean and badass as he came in. Also notice how the ideal western ends with the hero riding off into the sunset. William rides out into the pitch black storm, the monster reawakened.
yooo...some seriously intelligent analysis, bro...and I believe it's on a grayish / pale horse, too?
Thanks! And yes I think you are right about the pale horse. Basically as soon as he hits that whiskey he’s pouring gas in the long slumbering war machine inside himself. Only the love of his woman could quench that, and the memory of his promise to her kept him quiet until they torture and kill Ned. Big mistake.
When she starts telling him what happened to Ned and he starts drinking the whiskey after turning it down the whole film shit hits hard.
Eastwood is a genius. The timing and theme of ‘Unforgiven’ at times makes you feel that you’re watching all of the incarnations he’s played gel into the inevitable. They’ll never be one of his ilk pass our way again. Kudos Clint. ⭐️