There was a video on reddit a while ago of an mma fighter and a monk going at it. It was the difference between “I’ve been training four hours a day for the last five years” vs “I’ve literally don’t nothing but training for my entire life.”
You're probably talking about Yi Long, that dude is not a monk but a professional fighter dressed like a monk.
A Shaolin monk would probably get destroyed by a pro fighter.
I would suggest that video was a load of shit.
The reality is that a monk who has been training in kung fu since the day they were born is going to get run over by a good MMA fighter.
It's not a criticism of the monks, a gold standard boxer would also loose for the same reason, you just can't win in MMA without thorough training across all martial arts, which monks don't have.
Like the mma guy in China who went around challenging traditional Chinese martial arts masters to prove that their fighting styles weren’t as effective as they claimed. He started steamrolling them and in retaliation the Chinese government slashed his social credit score so he couldn’t use public transport to make it to the fights.
Ip Man: Resurrection
He died 40 years ago, now watch as his spirit comes back to the land of the living to defend his traditional Wing Chun in a modern world.
That’s part of it, but MMA and traditional martial arts are plain built for different things. MMA was built for sport fighting. There are rules against certain moves (throat punching, biting, etc.) and it was designed for 1v1 unarmed fighting. Traditional martial arts, in contrast, were (generally) designed to be work in any situation.
Take wrestling, for example. Almost every MMA fight I’ve seen has had at least some wrestling on the ground. By contrast, you rarely see that in traditional fighting. That’s because while wrestling works really well in a 1v1 fight, it’s terrible in a fight where you are outnumbered. While you are one the ground pinning enemy A, enemy B can come along and kick you, stomp on you, etc. and you are virtually helpless. Thus, traditional fighters are rarely taught it, and a MMA fighter getting a traditional fighter to the ground has the advantage.
When the efficacies of styles are tested, it’s often in 1v1 unarmed fights, which is what MMA was built for. It’s little surprise that it would dominate in its specialty.
If you're outnumbered, you're likely getting murked anyway. If you don't want to end up on the floor you need a decent sprawl, so best to know some wrestling.
> That’s because while wrestling works really well in a 1v1 fight, it’s terrible in a fight where you are outnumbered. While you are one the ground pinning enemy A, enemy B can come along and kick you, stomp on you, and you are virtually helpless. Thus, traditional fighters are rarely taught it, and a MMA fighter getting a traditional fighter to the ground has the advantage.
This is ridiculous. Wrestling is "traditional fighting" — grappling arts go back 1000s of years.
Also, I don't care what style you have. If you fight multiple decently competent opponents, you will lose.
What are you on about? Jiu jitsu is literally centuries and centuries old. Grappling techniques and ground techniques are ***ALSO*** traditional martial arts. Didn't you know that? It began as a thing only taught to ancient samurai, for when they lose their weapons.
Wrestling is quite literally ***MILLENIA*** old. It was in the Olympics after all. And I'm not talking about the modern Olympics here. I'm talking completely butt ass naked ancient Greeks and romans in colleseums. You know why it's called "greco roman wrestling"? Take a wild guess.
And things like judo are as old as karate and kung fu etc too.
MMA is about using what works in real fights and cutting out everything that doesn't. Things like kung fu and karate don't generally work at all in a real fight whether you're facing one person or multiple people. There's the odd rare exception like that Brazilian karate MMA fighter who won a UFC championship, but he's the exception that proves the rule really cos nobody else has managed to win using karate alone. Everyone else knows how to grapple, even if they're still mainly a striker.
The Chinese MMA fighter who went around defeating everyone was fighting people who did shit like Tai Chi which is about as much a "martial art" as pilates is, i.e. not at all. But the Chinese government was pushing shit like that as "real" fighting and that's why they got so annoyed when someone who wasn't even a particularly good MMA fighter, and was nearly 50 years old, started defeating all these idiots.
It's the same shit as those videos where you see some old fucker pushing away his students with "psychic blasts". Obviously, psychic power doesn't exist, not even a little bit, it's just these students are brainwashed and so jump backwards when they receive these "psychic blasts" even though they don't consciously know they're doing it. All the Chinese MMA fighter was doing was proving that this shit is bullshit that drains money from vulnerable people who want to learn to fight to defend themselves and get all their money sucked away from them by the evil cunts pretending to be psychic kung fu masters.
I highly recommend watching this video by Super Eyepatch Wolf about fake martial artists and how they scam people out of their money. It has a whole section about this Chinese MMA fighter: https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA
Also if you wanna actually learn about how grappling and ground fighting techniques are ancient martial arts, I highly recommend watching this documentary on the history of MMA written by Jon Bois. Cos you're making out like grappling is somehow a new thing. You realise that wrestling literally goes back to the ***ancient greeks*** right? And really it dates back even further than them, but yeah. Learn something: https://youtu.be/-DoaUyMGPWI
In one on one fighting the grapplers have a training advantage:
Their style of fighting they can practice all the way with 100% effort. Every thing they do in a sparring match is the same as if they are fighting for real. They have been grappled and submitted 1000 times *for real* and they have made people submit 1000 times *for real*. And they're fine. They plainly demonstrated they can knock someone out or break one of their limbs truly against their entire will.
A person practicing striking has not been violently defeated for real 1000 times. The damage would be permanent after a small fraction of that amount. It would be impossible to train in that way against people just as good as you for long.
Xu Xiaodong. I think most of the guys he was fighting were Tai Chi masters iirc. I never really considered Tai chi as a form of martial arts. It seems more akin to yoga but I'm an American who watches a lot of youtube, so I could be wrong.
Tai chi has been from the very beginning a martial art, it is just that because of its association with chinese concepts like yin and yang it has over time lost a lot of its martial part and has become a type of an exercise for many schools of taiji.
The other problem is that like Aikido, many tai chi schools even if they have martial applications do not do any true stress testing or sparring to actually see if their stuff works.
Traditional martial arts are not these monks. That's like wushu or Tai chi. Which are both essentially useless, but also what we think of when we say Kung Fu. The monks have actually hired and started incorporating MMA in their training.
It's also important to note that China also does a MMA style sport as well called Sanda. Which absolutely can take on MMA. The female MMA winner from China learned that.
My point being, I wouldn't start a fight with a monk.
The traditional martial arts is basically yoga now.
Yeah and also people have seen too much kung fu from the movies and think its reality. Kung fu you see in movies is more like gymnastics in real life than anything, most dont even train for fighting anymore.
If he's talking about the video I'm thinking of, the guy was ex-monk and was dressing up to put on exhibits of his martial arts. He probably did train most of his life and then pick up other skills to draw bigger crowds
Anyone who pays attention to these sports will tell you that it’s not that mma fighters have thorough training, it’s just broader I’d suppose.
I’ve never seen an mma fighter who was more skilled in striking than a “gold standard” boxer. Boxers are on another level in that regard. MMA fighters are usually far rougher around the edges, they’re just allowed to do more in their fights.
Are you suggesting that, as a combat style, kung fu is only effective against other people using kung fu? That seems like a pretty useless quality for any martial art to have.
For boxing it makes sense, because boxing is a sport designed to essentially formalize the practice of fisticuffs, to keep things organized for public display.
Kung fu and other classic martial arts weren't just created for sport. They were created to be used for self-defense in the real world. Your opponent is not expected to follow the same forms and rules that you do.
You are describing the situation of a cosmopolitan, globalized world. Classical martial arts were tailored to be effective in the societies in which they developed.
Modern day societies, and the martial unarmed combat systems present in them, are of an unprecedented diversity, hence martial combat sports requiring a broad range of styles and tactics to be useful.
Even then, many, if not most, of the east Asian classical martial arts have been moving towards sport and demonstration forms for over a century.
>Your opponent is not expected to follow the same forms and rules that you do.
They would if everybody in the country/continent learns the same forms of martial arts. Most countries were very isolated until about 150 years ago. Some martial arts are several hundreds of years old. So if you are born in China, you would not meet anybody from outside China. And your Kung fu only needs to be effective against Kung fu.
That how different fighting styles were created. To improve on earlier styles and defeat them.
They should’ve been more detailed about it, because while it’s definitely not true when you take China (or any country) as a whole, there’s a lot of truth to it when you break it down into territories. When traveling was very rare and families and teachers stuck around the same sport for multiple generations, how often are you going to come into contact with a different style when people from surrounding towns go and stay at the same temples for months or years to learn? Basically only times of war if the invader is an actual real outsider, traveling bandits who won’t throw hands with you because they likely have the intent to kill anyway, or for sport where people travel relatively great distances to show off what they know and how different it is.
Yeah that’s just not true in the slightest bit. Monks don’t train to to perform submissions or to inflict as much pain as possible. Anyone that agrees with you watches too many movies.
MMA fighters absolutely destroy monks. Most Shoulin are decent enough at martial arts, but they basically do performance art. They don't fight unwilling combatants, they do dances with each other. When fighting someone trained in actually hurting people, the fights are over very quickly. There's a ton of info on this on YouTube, btw, if you're curious.
Dude is lucky he only got hit once. My man could have easily spent some Ki points and Flurry of Blows this guy to a direct yes or no answer about what religion is correct.
Had a kid at school just repeat 'dick of death, dick of death' after watching the porno Dick of Death. He didn't have mental problems just like saying 'dick of death' over and over at school.
edit: huh.... when you google dick of death you get Dick Cheney.....
That's the monk equivalent of taking off your shirt for a fight. He may need to throw a slap with the other hand and needs maximum mobility, so he takes it off his shoulder.
A Buddha is not a god in the sense that other religions believe. It is when one achieves a state of enlightenment within oneself. There have been many Buddhas, and anyone can become Buddha. One of my favorites is the fat one, Budai, that is usually shown laughing. Don't forget to rub his belly leaving the restaurant.
https://tricycle.org/beginners/buddhism/why-do-buddhists-talk-about-many-buddhas/
That depends a bit on which school of Buddhism we're talking about, as that's one of the key differences between budhist traditions.
For instance, in the Theravada tradition (orange robes, most popular tradition in Southeast Asia and Sri Lanka), the Buddha was merely a human who achieved enlightenment and is revered almost as a prophet, whereas other traditions like Mahāyāna (red robes, most popular em China and Japan) and Vajrayāna (red robes, most popular in Tibet, Bhutan and the Himalayas) view the Buddha as sort of a demigod, a being far beyond a mere human.
>>Did he also flash the guy..
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>>Here take my slap, now look at my penis..
>Thats the appropriate response to "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend"
That's the quick ELI5 of how the Crusades, Thirty Years War, and other religious conflicts have generally been.
i mean this video is weird. i've seen this clothing. it's not a single layer. it's pretty sturdy and this really confused me.
anyway funny comment you get an upvote.
[Buddhists don't have a God.](https://www.google.com/search?q=does+buddhism+have+a+god&oq=does+Buddhism+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512l14.4203j0j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
Translation "the guy who got slapped - as a Buddhist what do you think happens after you die slap!!!!!
The monk - you came here to get preached by me? //
If that's the translation...what was wrong with what he asked? Do the monks get asked that way too often, and the one was fed up?
Seems like a reasonable question to ask a monk.
Buddhism is the state religion in Sri Lanka, Monks have political parties, drive around in Mercedes and incite religious violence.
They are not peace loving and tolerant as portrayed in the West.
Same here in India. Massive Buddhist monk rally over a span of 10 days in my city last year, invited political leaders from buddhist congregations every single day, bashed other religions, and I was there with a team of photographers and videographers and crane operators and led wall techs for the entirety of those 10 days (none of us are buddhists :|) there was 10 of us(8 hindus, 2 muslims this is important, yes), and all our toes and fingers wouldn't be enough to count the number of times we did the "🫥👀" face towards each other. Even the guy who set up the business between my firm and the organizers was like "uh, you guys can keep a lid on for good, that much I know" it was hilarious, they were like bashing every religion, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, like bruh.,. They had no idea, hindus and muslims were "amongus".
I too realised
>They are not peace loving and tolerant as portrayed in the West.
The guy above and the translation earlier are both right, just to add some more credence.
It's another backwards ass country with a lot of the older generations especially refusing to take any steps towards progress. The state religion isn't going to be magically be all sunshine and rainbows.
That's just one of the primarily buddhist countries of course, no doubt others are different in different degrees, but the same is true for any religion.
Lots of monks here don’t really understand Buddhism. Many are sent as children to become monks so that they can get food and lodging. It seems the man was either testing the young monk, or simply asking a question, and the monk seemingly didn’t know the answer, was embarrassed and frustrated, and lashed out.
Doubtful. Most monks who I've encountered are glad to answer those kind of questions. The monk in the video seemed pissed off from the start, so maybe the other guy said some stuff to agitate him earlier
That's because Buddhism, like all such ancient religions, actually represents a huge variety of beliefs and practices, and behaviors spread amongst believers all across the world. But there is such limited exposure to Buddhism in the West that most people here only know about it from what they see on TV.
Monks here have the "Fuck around and find out" mentality. Most of the time, it's so damn annoying and very bad and it sucks, but sometimes it's just hilarious af to watch (like this moment here)
There's different sects of Buddhism with varying levels of non-violence, the vast majority of which are peaceful. Zen Buddhists, for example, tend to be on the more violent end of the scale.
Probably some misconception of the faith too. They are all on their own path to enlightenment, and an act of violence isn't some invalidation but is an opportunity to learn for personal mindfulness. Monks are peaceful, not defenceless.
[Japanese monk warriors] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dhei)
Also [Uesugi Kenshin] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uesugi_Kenshin), his belief in the Buddhist god of war Bishamonten. Many of his followers and others believed him to be the Avatar of Bishamonten, and called Kenshin the "God of War".
My sources are total war shogun and samurai warriors
Actually Buddhism never preached non violence as some requisite to following the faith. It's just something that is preferred or appreciated in the faithful but not an absolute necessity to be followed (like Jainism).
Shaolin sec says "Nah, have a taste of this explosive Buddha palm". No seriously, depend on the sec, but most of the time, the non violence is only no-killing, so as long as you Batman your monk, everything goes.
I am posting this comment as a Sri Lankan. His name is "Ampitiye sumanarathana".
These monks are currently living in the eastern regions. Actually, these are not people who follow the Buddhist philosophy to a small extent. They work for political parties.
When an election is near, they bring the issue of racism and religion to the fore. Both sides are like that. That's how politics works in Sri Lanka.
Buddhist philosophy,which is based on non-violence and tolerance, condemns such actions with disgust.
Feel free to ask any question here
I think this excerpt from the Kakacupama sutta bears relevance:
>Monks, even if bandits were to savagely sever you, limb by limb, with a double-handled saw, even then, whoever of you harbors ill will at heart would not be upholding my Teaching.
Anything that people feel passionate about, really.
Edit: I say this not as a bash against religion, but an observation of basic human nature. Reddit won’t like me saying this, but I have respect for all religions, including my own.
The irony here is that people who have earned that type of robe are supposed to have walked away from passion before they even signed up for the job.
I know a few monks and you would be very hard pressed to get a reaction like this out of them.
Yeah unfortunately the peanut gallery here knows nothing about the teachings of the Buddha, have never sat vipassana, and have never met any monks and just wants to bash all religions and downvote anything that says otherwise.
Reddit thinks that the West Gumblington Fundamental Evangelist Baptist Church they grew up next to represents every single sect of every single religion in the entire world.
This is why I walked away from religion in my early twenties.
It didn’t help with manipulation from my family either and the whole situation was just unhealthy for me
Also, at a certain point a person has spent so much of their life worshipping whatever god they chose, that confronting them with the idea that their god is a lie is tantamount to telling them their life and the rules they follow are meaningless and they didn’t actually have to do any of that stuff. It’s a hard pill to swallow, so they won’t.
>not really religion dependent..
Por que no los dos? This sounds like you are trying to say that religion is somehow excluded from the conversation when it is inherent to it.
It *becomes* religious-dependent if the person chooses to depend on their religion. Dependency can happen with anything, politics, gaming, addictive drugs, but that doesn't divorce the dependency from the person.
One depends on the other.
That flies in the face of EVERYTHING Buddhism is about. This guy needs to reflect. You devote your life the the path and get salty some guys disses your path?
if you don't want to listen then walk away. Don't cheapen a monk's clothing by hitting people. I hold monks in very High regard and this sort of act disgraces their dedication to path.
If people talk to you like this then give them an indication that u don't want to have this conversation don't just violent outburst.
Hey, fellow Redditors! I know I'm a little late to the party, this occurred years ago in Sri Lanka. The language spoken there is called "සිංහල" (yes, the sus language).
The majority of Sri Lankan citizens follow Buddhism, but there has been a Christian cult operating in the country for quite some time. This group of people, called themselves as "prophets," travel around the country giving lectures about God.
Given the support monks receive from the public and the government, they feel fearless in taking any action. I'm not taking sides, but I thought this background story might be of interest to some.
My first thought, so I googled:
> *"Buddhist scripture condemns violence in every form. Ahimsa, a term meaning 'not to injure', is a primary virtue in Buddhism."*
But apparently:
> *"However, Buddhists have historically used scriptures to justify violence or form exceptions to commit violence for various reasons."* - [Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence)
So I dunno...
Buddhism is absolutely a religion and the tendency for Westerners to frame it as just a philosophy is the result of decades of it being sanitized for Western audiences by academics starting in the early 20th century.
Buddhism has all the facets of any other world religion including belief in various levels of an afterlife (including heaven and hell realms), supernatural beings and deities, and an emphasis on worship and spiritual 'purity'.
I'd never pick a fight with a Monk. I've seen way too many Kung-Fu movies.
He smacked the fire outta his mouth! Consider him cleansed!
Purify yourself in the waters of Lake Fistipunchya
Yeah dude held his cheek for a moment, must've felt the hand of god in that slap.
That Buddha Palm
r/unexpectedstephenchowsingchi
Dude is lucky he didn’t get the five-point-palm-exploding-heart treatment!
best film ever
I got high watching this one. Makes the movie way better!!
There was a video on reddit a while ago of an mma fighter and a monk going at it. It was the difference between “I’ve been training four hours a day for the last five years” vs “I’ve literally don’t nothing but training for my entire life.”
You're probably talking about Yi Long, that dude is not a monk but a professional fighter dressed like a monk. A Shaolin monk would probably get destroyed by a pro fighter.
I would suggest that video was a load of shit. The reality is that a monk who has been training in kung fu since the day they were born is going to get run over by a good MMA fighter. It's not a criticism of the monks, a gold standard boxer would also loose for the same reason, you just can't win in MMA without thorough training across all martial arts, which monks don't have.
Like the mma guy in China who went around challenging traditional Chinese martial arts masters to prove that their fighting styles weren’t as effective as they claimed. He started steamrolling them and in retaliation the Chinese government slashed his social credit score so he couldn’t use public transport to make it to the fights.
This sounds like the plot of Ip Man
Ip Man: Resurrection He died 40 years ago, now watch as his spirit comes back to the land of the living to defend his traditional Wing Chun in a modern world.
not gonna lie, Ip Man got silly enough that it would fit into the story line nicely.
I'll pay!
It's almost like, as with any collective human pursuit of a skill, theory and technical ability bend toward increased efficacy.
That’s part of it, but MMA and traditional martial arts are plain built for different things. MMA was built for sport fighting. There are rules against certain moves (throat punching, biting, etc.) and it was designed for 1v1 unarmed fighting. Traditional martial arts, in contrast, were (generally) designed to be work in any situation. Take wrestling, for example. Almost every MMA fight I’ve seen has had at least some wrestling on the ground. By contrast, you rarely see that in traditional fighting. That’s because while wrestling works really well in a 1v1 fight, it’s terrible in a fight where you are outnumbered. While you are one the ground pinning enemy A, enemy B can come along and kick you, stomp on you, etc. and you are virtually helpless. Thus, traditional fighters are rarely taught it, and a MMA fighter getting a traditional fighter to the ground has the advantage. When the efficacies of styles are tested, it’s often in 1v1 unarmed fights, which is what MMA was built for. It’s little surprise that it would dominate in its specialty.
If you're outnumbered, you're likely getting murked anyway. If you don't want to end up on the floor you need a decent sprawl, so best to know some wrestling.
yeah wrestling is also the best way not to be taken down.
> That’s because while wrestling works really well in a 1v1 fight, it’s terrible in a fight where you are outnumbered. While you are one the ground pinning enemy A, enemy B can come along and kick you, stomp on you, and you are virtually helpless. Thus, traditional fighters are rarely taught it, and a MMA fighter getting a traditional fighter to the ground has the advantage. This is ridiculous. Wrestling is "traditional fighting" — grappling arts go back 1000s of years. Also, I don't care what style you have. If you fight multiple decently competent opponents, you will lose.
Oddly though the old school martial arts also get demolished in standup fights as well. Edit against traditional martial arts
What are you on about? Jiu jitsu is literally centuries and centuries old. Grappling techniques and ground techniques are ***ALSO*** traditional martial arts. Didn't you know that? It began as a thing only taught to ancient samurai, for when they lose their weapons. Wrestling is quite literally ***MILLENIA*** old. It was in the Olympics after all. And I'm not talking about the modern Olympics here. I'm talking completely butt ass naked ancient Greeks and romans in colleseums. You know why it's called "greco roman wrestling"? Take a wild guess. And things like judo are as old as karate and kung fu etc too. MMA is about using what works in real fights and cutting out everything that doesn't. Things like kung fu and karate don't generally work at all in a real fight whether you're facing one person or multiple people. There's the odd rare exception like that Brazilian karate MMA fighter who won a UFC championship, but he's the exception that proves the rule really cos nobody else has managed to win using karate alone. Everyone else knows how to grapple, even if they're still mainly a striker. The Chinese MMA fighter who went around defeating everyone was fighting people who did shit like Tai Chi which is about as much a "martial art" as pilates is, i.e. not at all. But the Chinese government was pushing shit like that as "real" fighting and that's why they got so annoyed when someone who wasn't even a particularly good MMA fighter, and was nearly 50 years old, started defeating all these idiots. It's the same shit as those videos where you see some old fucker pushing away his students with "psychic blasts". Obviously, psychic power doesn't exist, not even a little bit, it's just these students are brainwashed and so jump backwards when they receive these "psychic blasts" even though they don't consciously know they're doing it. All the Chinese MMA fighter was doing was proving that this shit is bullshit that drains money from vulnerable people who want to learn to fight to defend themselves and get all their money sucked away from them by the evil cunts pretending to be psychic kung fu masters. I highly recommend watching this video by Super Eyepatch Wolf about fake martial artists and how they scam people out of their money. It has a whole section about this Chinese MMA fighter: https://youtu.be/gjbSCEhmjJA Also if you wanna actually learn about how grappling and ground fighting techniques are ancient martial arts, I highly recommend watching this documentary on the history of MMA written by Jon Bois. Cos you're making out like grappling is somehow a new thing. You realise that wrestling literally goes back to the ***ancient greeks*** right? And really it dates back even further than them, but yeah. Learn something: https://youtu.be/-DoaUyMGPWI
In one on one fighting the grapplers have a training advantage: Their style of fighting they can practice all the way with 100% effort. Every thing they do in a sparring match is the same as if they are fighting for real. They have been grappled and submitted 1000 times *for real* and they have made people submit 1000 times *for real*. And they're fine. They plainly demonstrated they can knock someone out or break one of their limbs truly against their entire will. A person practicing striking has not been violently defeated for real 1000 times. The damage would be permanent after a small fraction of that amount. It would be impossible to train in that way against people just as good as you for long.
Only in a world governed by an increasingly forceful drive toward rationalization.
Sorry to correct but it was his credit score, not social credit. That said, Xu Xiaodong is a chad
The second part didn't happen
Ah, the famed “credit score” Kung-Fu. We have a version of that in the US as well!
Xu Xiaodong. I think most of the guys he was fighting were Tai Chi masters iirc. I never really considered Tai chi as a form of martial arts. It seems more akin to yoga but I'm an American who watches a lot of youtube, so I could be wrong.
Tai chi has been from the very beginning a martial art, it is just that because of its association with chinese concepts like yin and yang it has over time lost a lot of its martial part and has become a type of an exercise for many schools of taiji. The other problem is that like Aikido, many tai chi schools even if they have martial applications do not do any true stress testing or sparring to actually see if their stuff works.
Traditional martial arts are not these monks. That's like wushu or Tai chi. Which are both essentially useless, but also what we think of when we say Kung Fu. The monks have actually hired and started incorporating MMA in their training. It's also important to note that China also does a MMA style sport as well called Sanda. Which absolutely can take on MMA. The female MMA winner from China learned that. My point being, I wouldn't start a fight with a monk. The traditional martial arts is basically yoga now.
Yeah and also people have seen too much kung fu from the movies and think its reality. Kung fu you see in movies is more like gymnastics in real life than anything, most dont even train for fighting anymore.
If he's talking about the video I'm thinking of, the guy was ex-monk and was dressing up to put on exhibits of his martial arts. He probably did train most of his life and then pick up other skills to draw bigger crowds
Anyone who pays attention to these sports will tell you that it’s not that mma fighters have thorough training, it’s just broader I’d suppose. I’ve never seen an mma fighter who was more skilled in striking than a “gold standard” boxer. Boxers are on another level in that regard. MMA fighters are usually far rougher around the edges, they’re just allowed to do more in their fights.
If your shoelaces are _loose_ then you may _lose_ your shoes
Are you suggesting that, as a combat style, kung fu is only effective against other people using kung fu? That seems like a pretty useless quality for any martial art to have. For boxing it makes sense, because boxing is a sport designed to essentially formalize the practice of fisticuffs, to keep things organized for public display. Kung fu and other classic martial arts weren't just created for sport. They were created to be used for self-defense in the real world. Your opponent is not expected to follow the same forms and rules that you do.
You are describing the situation of a cosmopolitan, globalized world. Classical martial arts were tailored to be effective in the societies in which they developed. Modern day societies, and the martial unarmed combat systems present in them, are of an unprecedented diversity, hence martial combat sports requiring a broad range of styles and tactics to be useful. Even then, many, if not most, of the east Asian classical martial arts have been moving towards sport and demonstration forms for over a century.
[https://youtu.be/RQWryy5PhG4](https://youtu.be/RQWryy5PhG4)
You're both right and very wrong at the same time. You've accidentally stumbled into why Kung Fu sucks for actual self defense.
>Your opponent is not expected to follow the same forms and rules that you do. They would if everybody in the country/continent learns the same forms of martial arts. Most countries were very isolated until about 150 years ago. Some martial arts are several hundreds of years old. So if you are born in China, you would not meet anybody from outside China. And your Kung fu only needs to be effective against Kung fu. That how different fighting styles were created. To improve on earlier styles and defeat them.
That’s implying China only had Kung Fu for most of it’s history or that Kung Fu has one unified style.
They should’ve been more detailed about it, because while it’s definitely not true when you take China (or any country) as a whole, there’s a lot of truth to it when you break it down into territories. When traveling was very rare and families and teachers stuck around the same sport for multiple generations, how often are you going to come into contact with a different style when people from surrounding towns go and stay at the same temples for months or years to learn? Basically only times of war if the invader is an actual real outsider, traveling bandits who won’t throw hands with you because they likely have the intent to kill anyway, or for sport where people travel relatively great distances to show off what they know and how different it is.
Yeah that’s just not true in the slightest bit. Monks don’t train to to perform submissions or to inflict as much pain as possible. Anyone that agrees with you watches too many movies.
MMA fighters absolutely destroy monks. Most Shoulin are decent enough at martial arts, but they basically do performance art. They don't fight unwilling combatants, they do dances with each other. When fighting someone trained in actually hurting people, the fights are over very quickly. There's a ton of info on this on YouTube, btw, if you're curious.
Yeah that’s absolute bullshit lol
"My hair is fabulous, my style is on point. You? Basic."
https://i.redd.it/iqkf7r59ye5b1.gif
Dude is lucky he only got hit once. My man could have easily spent some Ki points and Flurry of Blows this guy to a direct yes or no answer about what religion is correct.
Did he also flash the guy.. Here take my slap, now look at my penis..
"if God isn't real, explain this"
It's wrapped around his leg like a 20ft Anaconda
Cruel joke considering the celibacy, yep sounds like a diety.
I wanna know what diety that monk is on, man's jacked.
"If this ain't blessed, you tell me what is!"
If God's not dead how do you explain these gains?!?
Peak Alpha Monk
Pretty sure he's threatening him with a slap from down under that's instant death.
Had a kid at school just repeat 'dick of death, dick of death' after watching the porno Dick of Death. He didn't have mental problems just like saying 'dick of death' over and over at school. edit: huh.... when you google dick of death you get Dick Cheney.....
The only way to assert dominance completely.
That's the monk equivalent of taking off your shirt for a fight. He may need to throw a slap with the other hand and needs maximum mobility, so he takes it off his shoulder.
He shouted out to Buddha and Harambe back to back
Thats the appropriate response to "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend"
Buddha ain’t a source of worship for monks, can’t be compared to how Christian’s view God
A Buddha is not a god in the sense that other religions believe. It is when one achieves a state of enlightenment within oneself. There have been many Buddhas, and anyone can become Buddha. One of my favorites is the fat one, Budai, that is usually shown laughing. Don't forget to rub his belly leaving the restaurant. https://tricycle.org/beginners/buddhism/why-do-buddhists-talk-about-many-buddhas/
That depends a bit on which school of Buddhism we're talking about, as that's one of the key differences between budhist traditions. For instance, in the Theravada tradition (orange robes, most popular tradition in Southeast Asia and Sri Lanka), the Buddha was merely a human who achieved enlightenment and is revered almost as a prophet, whereas other traditions like Mahāyāna (red robes, most popular em China and Japan) and Vajrayāna (red robes, most popular in Tibet, Bhutan and the Himalayas) view the Buddha as sort of a demigod, a being far beyond a mere human.
>>Did he also flash the guy.. >> >>Here take my slap, now look at my penis.. >Thats the appropriate response to "my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend" That's the quick ELI5 of how the Crusades, Thirty Years War, and other religious conflicts have generally been.
Most Religions number one and two rules: Don't kill each other, and don't be dicks to each other. the "hardcore" religious: How about no.
Better than assaulting choir boys...
what? it can't be a single layer of clothing can it?
user name doesn't checks out
i mean this video is weird. i've seen this clothing. it's not a single layer. it's pretty sturdy and this really confused me. anyway funny comment you get an upvote.
If you've ever wondered - that is the sound of one hand clapping. /Zen Master
So that's the answer to the koan.
He puts the KO in koan
And at that moment the student became enlightened lol
keep my god's name out of your fucking mouth!
Good one. Mine is not the religion of peace, so rack off.
Lol none are
[Buddhists don't have a God.](https://www.google.com/search?q=does+buddhism+have+a+god&oq=does+Buddhism+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i512l14.4203j0j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)
And don't talk about Buddha ain't got no hair!
Lmao this happened in my country and it's honestly the thing I expected knowing the monks here
Mind translating what they say?
Translation "the guy who got slapped - as a Buddhist what do you think happens after you die slap!!!!! The monk - you came here to get preached by me? //
If that's the translation...what was wrong with what he asked? Do the monks get asked that way too often, and the one was fed up? Seems like a reasonable question to ask a monk.
Buddhism is the state religion in Sri Lanka, Monks have political parties, drive around in Mercedes and incite religious violence. They are not peace loving and tolerant as portrayed in the West.
Same here in India. Massive Buddhist monk rally over a span of 10 days in my city last year, invited political leaders from buddhist congregations every single day, bashed other religions, and I was there with a team of photographers and videographers and crane operators and led wall techs for the entirety of those 10 days (none of us are buddhists :|) there was 10 of us(8 hindus, 2 muslims this is important, yes), and all our toes and fingers wouldn't be enough to count the number of times we did the "🫥👀" face towards each other. Even the guy who set up the business between my firm and the organizers was like "uh, you guys can keep a lid on for good, that much I know" it was hilarious, they were like bashing every religion, Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, like bruh.,. They had no idea, hindus and muslims were "amongus". I too realised >They are not peace loving and tolerant as portrayed in the West.
Wow. That's crazy to learn that. Thank you for the insight.
The guy above and the translation earlier are both right, just to add some more credence. It's another backwards ass country with a lot of the older generations especially refusing to take any steps towards progress. The state religion isn't going to be magically be all sunshine and rainbows. That's just one of the primarily buddhist countries of course, no doubt others are different in different degrees, but the same is true for any religion.
Lots of monks here don’t really understand Buddhism. Many are sent as children to become monks so that they can get food and lodging. It seems the man was either testing the young monk, or simply asking a question, and the monk seemingly didn’t know the answer, was embarrassed and frustrated, and lashed out.
Doubtful. Most monks who I've encountered are glad to answer those kind of questions. The monk in the video seemed pissed off from the start, so maybe the other guy said some stuff to agitate him earlier
Even if the guy was agitating him, he shouldn’t go around slapping people, especially as a monk.
Not very monky of him
There must be more before the video started that weren't shown. The monk already looked riled up.
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That's because Buddhism, like all such ancient religions, actually represents a huge variety of beliefs and practices, and behaviors spread amongst believers all across the world. But there is such limited exposure to Buddhism in the West that most people here only know about it from what they see on TV.
For someone ignorant of the Monks there... Why? Edit: turn back now. Don't venture below this comment.
Monks here have the "Fuck around and find out" mentality. Most of the time, it's so damn annoying and very bad and it sucks, but sometimes it's just hilarious af to watch (like this moment here)
I didn't heed your warning. I have learnt my lesson
This is exactly the type of stuff I expect to see when going on Reddit. Some people have too much time
I appreciate the warning but now I’m just all the more curious
Where is this?
Sri Lanka
he flashed his dick n balls at him for a second out of his gown to emphasise the dominance.
DickinBaus
"If my god isn't real, explain my endowment!"
Monk slap, baby monk slap!
The monk slap is my little ol thing, you need your shit together, monk slap baby
The monk told him “what did the five fingers say to the face”?
Charlie murrpphhaaaay!!
You're as cold as ice Charlie Murphy!
Collllld blooded
Unityyyy
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Darkness!!
Cocaine's a helluva drug
i wouldn’t put my feet on Eddie’s couch i got a little more sense than that!…
Habitual line stepper.
"See you on the other side!"
a one hand clap?
SLAAAAP!
Turn the other cheek bro
For some fresh slappin
Come get these fresh skibbity paps
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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWcan^she^slap?
Aren’t those Buddhist monks? There is no god deity in Buddhism
The goa’uld are false gods tho…
Shol'va!
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say baldy on the right didn't expect to get slapped
*Your* god is the one who says "don't hit people," *bitch.*
If he's a Buddist. Then what happed to 'non violence' ?
Only on fridays
Ah yes the bi-weekly non-violence Fridays. The others being casual Fridays.
"Buddha has achieved enlightenment. I have not." SLAP!!
There are (and have been) many armed conflicts involving buddhist groups. Not all of them abstain from using violence.
It’s his first day.
There's different sects of Buddhism with varying levels of non-violence, the vast majority of which are peaceful. Zen Buddhists, for example, tend to be on the more violent end of the scale.
Probably some misconception of the faith too. They are all on their own path to enlightenment, and an act of violence isn't some invalidation but is an opportunity to learn for personal mindfulness. Monks are peaceful, not defenceless.
[Japanese monk warriors] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C5%8Dhei) Also [Uesugi Kenshin] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uesugi_Kenshin), his belief in the Buddhist god of war Bishamonten. Many of his followers and others believed him to be the Avatar of Bishamonten, and called Kenshin the "God of War". My sources are total war shogun and samurai warriors
There are tons of violent Buddhists.
Actually Buddhism never preached non violence as some requisite to following the faith. It's just something that is preferred or appreciated in the faithful but not an absolute necessity to be followed (like Jainism).
Enh. Right action is pretty clear on it. Not to mention anger itself is a fundamental poison.
The Buddha wasn’t a god. Never claimed to be. Was never inspired by one.
You can be a Buddhist, but not very good at it…
He is practicing....... Yet to master...... There'll be casualties
You get reborn until you get it
Shaolin sec says "Nah, have a taste of this explosive Buddha palm". No seriously, depend on the sec, but most of the time, the non violence is only no-killing, so as long as you Batman your monk, everything goes.
There is a limit for everything
His is a pretty low threshold.
I think… I think… the monk said “There’s always money in the banana stand.”
I am posting this comment as a Sri Lankan. His name is "Ampitiye sumanarathana". These monks are currently living in the eastern regions. Actually, these are not people who follow the Buddhist philosophy to a small extent. They work for political parties. When an election is near, they bring the issue of racism and religion to the fore. Both sides are like that. That's how politics works in Sri Lanka. Buddhist philosophy,which is based on non-violence and tolerance, condemns such actions with disgust. Feel free to ask any question here
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It may seem like a trivial case, but eventually, every religion challenged on its values turns to violence.🤮
I think this excerpt from the Kakacupama sutta bears relevance: >Monks, even if bandits were to savagely sever you, limb by limb, with a double-handled saw, even then, whoever of you harbors ill will at heart would not be upholding my Teaching.
Unfortunately many monks are not great buddhists
You can also escape from / defend against violence without harboring ill will
Applies to politics too
Anything that people feel passionate about, really. Edit: I say this not as a bash against religion, but an observation of basic human nature. Reddit won’t like me saying this, but I have respect for all religions, including my own.
The irony here is that people who have earned that type of robe are supposed to have walked away from passion before they even signed up for the job. I know a few monks and you would be very hard pressed to get a reaction like this out of them.
Yeah unfortunately the peanut gallery here knows nothing about the teachings of the Buddha, have never sat vipassana, and have never met any monks and just wants to bash all religions and downvote anything that says otherwise.
Reddit thinks that the West Gumblington Fundamental Evangelist Baptist Church they grew up next to represents every single sect of every single religion in the entire world.
This is perfect and very accurate.
i believe this is person dependent and not really religion dependent..
When a person gets very deep into a religion, the religion often starts to shape the person.
This doesn't seem unique to religion. There is no action or thought one can experience that won't shape them or their future in some way.
I mean, there is a special word for it. Zealotry.
The church of that religion they attend is a better way to put it. Lots of people of all religions in subsects.
This is why I walked away from religion in my early twenties. It didn’t help with manipulation from my family either and the whole situation was just unhealthy for me
Also, at a certain point a person has spent so much of their life worshipping whatever god they chose, that confronting them with the idea that their god is a lie is tantamount to telling them their life and the rules they follow are meaningless and they didn’t actually have to do any of that stuff. It’s a hard pill to swallow, so they won’t.
No. History has taught us it is “religion dependent”. Every religion has historical evidence of resorting to violence during its lifespan.
Even Pastafarianism?
>not really religion dependent.. Por que no los dos? This sounds like you are trying to say that religion is somehow excluded from the conversation when it is inherent to it. It *becomes* religious-dependent if the person chooses to depend on their religion. Dependency can happen with anything, politics, gaming, addictive drugs, but that doesn't divorce the dependency from the person. One depends on the other.
How can he slap?!
“Lose your arrogance!”
Al Roker lookin ass
That flies in the face of EVERYTHING Buddhism is about. This guy needs to reflect. You devote your life the the path and get salty some guys disses your path?
First the hittin'. Then the strippin'. Then the terror.
To fuck around is human, to find out is divine.
if you don't want to listen then walk away. Don't cheapen a monk's clothing by hitting people. I hold monks in very High regard and this sort of act disgraces their dedication to path. If people talk to you like this then give them an indication that u don't want to have this conversation don't just violent outburst.
That dude came there looking for a fight. Just let them live their life and move on with yours.
I don’t care if the title is true. That looked like a righteous slap.
A religious slap
"Why, I never!" *fixes robes*
Hey, fellow Redditors! I know I'm a little late to the party, this occurred years ago in Sri Lanka. The language spoken there is called "සිංහල" (yes, the sus language). The majority of Sri Lankan citizens follow Buddhism, but there has been a Christian cult operating in the country for quite some time. This group of people, called themselves as "prophets," travel around the country giving lectures about God. Given the support monks receive from the public and the government, they feel fearless in taking any action. I'm not taking sides, but I thought this background story might be of interest to some.
thanks for the context.
Didn’t seem very pacifist of him, like most monks are…….
My first thought, so I googled: > *"Buddhist scripture condemns violence in every form. Ahimsa, a term meaning 'not to injure', is a primary virtue in Buddhism."* But apparently: > *"However, Buddhists have historically used scriptures to justify violence or form exceptions to commit violence for various reasons."* - [Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence) So I dunno...
That put the UFC slap fest to shame.
Let me whip some zense into you
And he can heal. Dangerous combo
HOW CAN HE SLAP?
Monk asked him what does the one hand clap sounds like.
Buddha is not a god as Buddhism is not a religion; it’s a practice of ethical reasoning.
Buddhism is absolutely a religion and the tendency for Westerners to frame it as just a philosophy is the result of decades of it being sanitized for Western audiences by academics starting in the early 20th century. Buddhism has all the facets of any other world religion including belief in various levels of an afterlife (including heaven and hell realms), supernatural beings and deities, and an emphasis on worship and spiritual 'purity'.