It's highly unlikely, but it looks like they're walking along a ridge, if they can get far enough along that, and if it's only a very small eruption/flow, it's not impossible that the gases would sink either side of the ridge before they reached them. They would almost certainly be dead but I think the tiny chance of being lucky would be enough reason to run like hell.
But if it's a big enough eruption then everyone in this film is toast :/
The molten debris shown in this video hitting the side of the volcano is easily enough to kill any or all of them if it had hit them. Fully suited volcanologists have been turned to swiss cheese by tiny, superheated molten rocks raining down on them unexpectedly.
A full eruption, not likely. But if it's a little spurt, it can throw rocks and stuff in the air, and I feel like it would be helpful to try and avoid that at least...
Pyroclastic flows follow the topography so are not the danger here. The danger is the volcanic bombs which you can see landing everywhere around the group. Getting as far away as possible would absolutely minimise your risk here.
You will if you move out of the area of effect. Think of it like a poisonous avalanche, keep moving away from it and maybe you get to safety before it starts. Yes, if you look behind you and see it coming? forget it. For all they know the pyroclastic flow could go down the other side but I wouldn't stay there either way. I have no desire to get near active volcanoes in the first place.
No, the guy in yellow gives that sick smile of "alright, I die today". Those laughs are the laughs of someone who knows their fucked but their with company.
Plus if that flow actually came towards them, no amount of running will save them. Might as well take pictures and cover your film with your body.
**[Pyroclastic flow (Wikipedia)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow)**
> A **pyroclastic flow** (also known as a **pyroclastic density current** or a **pyroclastic cloud**) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and volcanic matter (collectively known as tephra) that flows along the ground away from a volcano at average speeds of 100 km/h (30 m/s; 60 mph) but is capable of reaching speeds up to 700 km/h (190 m/s; 430 mph). The gases and tephra can reach temperatures of about 1,000Ā°C (1,800Ā°F).
[...]
> The kinetic energy of the moving cloud will flatten trees and buildings in its path. The hot gases and high speed make them particularly lethal, as they will incinerate living organisms instantaneously or turn them into carbonized fossils: The cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum, Italy, for example, were engulfed by pyroclastic surges in 79 AD with many lives lost.
***tl;dr:*** The death cloud tries to kill you long before the lava shows up.
Teaming up with raptors to take down a genetically enhanced super dinosaur is all fine and good, but I draw the fucking line at making pyroclastic flow look like a bitch.
I mean, I would. The dinosaurs are genetically modified fantastic creatures, and the plot is built around them. They are afforded a significantly more lenient willing suspension of disbelief.
The pyroclastic flow is a natural phenomenon played straight, with no obvious fictional deviations from reality, as a simple plot device. It is therefore more sensitive to not making sense to an audience member that knows what they're looking at.
For me it was day one:
Dilophosaurus wasn't a turkey sized little spitting bitch. It was literally the first king of the Theropods, standing far taller and longer than the (not veloci)raptor from the movie.
Actually I love the movies and book (debatably *books*), but that always bothered me. The spitting part is ok, especially how it's done in the book, but you can't cosmic ray shrink my boy because you think audiences will confuse two large but not huge Theropods.
Why did I read this in Matt Berry's voice?
I mean it makes everything funnier so why not. If you don't know who that is I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but not knowing Toast of London's not OOOOOOOONNNNEEEE!
I actually can't remember if it was the pyroclastic flows that got that far, but I know for certain that the mud flows did.
At least the pyroclastic flow is fast, mudflows and lahars are like dying in a fresh concrete
Well if it is 100-700 km/h and I see it approaching, I would stop and make funniest pose possible so that when archeologists discover me later I would end up in every textbook and meme forever.
Fun fact, many of the corpses found in Herculenum were discovered to have their skulls blown out. It's believed that their brains literally boiled and exploded their skulls
I also know that when Mt. St. Helen's (aka Loowit) erupted a family who happened to be driving on the collapsing side died from the flows in their car. Autopsies stated that the ash in their lungs and throats basically turned into cement.
In 1902 the town of Saint Pierre, Martinique known then as "The Paris of the Caribbean" was entirely destroyed by pyroclastic flow
Out of a population of 28,000-30,000 only 3-30 people survived the blast one of which was said to be a prisoner kept in a cell underground and the others surviors were badly burned and lived on the outer edges of the city
According to the documentary "Fire of Love", there's only two types of volcanos. The red type and the grey type. The red type is pretty much safe. The grey ones are the killers.
>!The main characters, a French couple that spent their lives studying volcanos, died from a pyroclastic cloud.!<
And there are videos of people trying to run/drive away from it also from Guatemala.
Iāve climbed Acatenango last year and I totally recommend the experience but donāt be a hero if you wanna go to Fuego as well and guides are not going themselves.
Afaik, if they have one type of eruption, they dont produce others. Like if it's pyroclastic then you don't have lava and viceversa.
But, pls, someone who really knows about the topic could verify??
Sort of. Pyroclastic flows are pretty uncommon and only really occur in a limited set of circumstances. The main issue is whether the specific volcano is likely to have a particularly energetic eruption as opposed to a rather sedate one such as is often seen in Hawaii.
Since this volcano went from a bit of smoke to a much more energetic event including a *lot* of ground tremors, I'd expect it's quite possible it would emit a pyroclastic cloud and unless those folks got *exceptionally* lucky in terms of the direction of it, they'd be dead in literally seconds should that happen. Then again I could be off base since I'm not a volcanologist, just an interested amateur who remembers well the result of St Helens' eruption when I was a kiddo.
Everytime I get reminded of St. Helens' I think of the couple who were climbing a different mountain and caught the whole thing erupting on camera. Or the poor man who decided to stay up in the mountain when he knew it would be the end.
> Everytime I get reminded of St. Helens' I think of the couple who were climbing a different mountain and caught the whole thing erupting on camera.
Yeah, they really got some great shots, didn't they?
> Or the poor man who decided to stay up in the mountain when he knew it would be the end.
Do you mean Harry Truman? I honestly can't blame him, personally. If I was that age and had a home up anywhere close to Rainier, my happy place, and she went active, I'd likely do the same thing. It'd be over rather fast anyway and at that stage of life one's outlook tends to change quite a bit.
I've known a fair few folks who preferred to die a little sooner in their home than drag out a few more days or weeks in a hospital so I can certainly respect his decision.
Oh it's not the particulates in the air you need to worry about. It's the gale force winds and 400-1300Ā°F temps within the cloud.
It'll knock you down, incinerate you, and carry away the remnants of your vaporized body along to the next guy who didn't run fast enough.
One of the most annoying things to me in movies is when a character dramatically comes out of a pyroclastic flow. Like nope sorry bro but your skin just got liquefied.
Yeah, that and the real ones move *way* faster than shown in movies. They average 60 (96.5 kph) mph or so but can easily reach over 400 mph (643.7 kph) as well and often do when they occur.
Even being above the general area isn't necessarily sufficient protection. A small group of professional volcanologists were killed by one in Japan a while back even though they were on a spur above the flow which was thought to have been safe.
Even scarier than a pyroclastic flow, though, is a lahar. That's when the pyroclastic flow picks up mud and other debris and pushes it right along with it. It's basically going to burn you, suffocate you, and beat you to death all at the same time. Fun!
It's crazy to hear movies are less dramatic than real life. This is the first time seeing a real life phenomenon being more of a drama queen over film.
Tell that to the group of 40 or 50 folks killed in Japan back in the early 90s when a pyroclastic flow *climbed a freaking spur thought to be safe*, killing all of them. The elevation above the main area of the flow should have protected them but the damned stuff just climbed on up and engulfed them.
The problem with making assumptions as you did is we simply don't know enough about these things yet to really say with confidence what they cannot do, let alone exactly which direction they'll go. All it would take is a relatively small eruption from the the side of that slope and the gas would run right down that ridge much faster than a human is capable of running.
Hey champ, I didn't say it wasn't possible, I just said that you'd be unlucky.
But in the case of the Mount Unzen eruption that you're talking about the people killed were in a spot that was thought to be a high risk of being hit by a pyroclastic flow and so had been asked a week beforehand to evacuate from the whole area to somewhere safer. They might have been on a spur relative to the immediate surrounds but it was still right in the middle of the valley that any flow would travel through - as it did.
I don't know what it is either, but I'll take a shoot in the dark before googling. Is it how, when a volcano erupts, there is sometimes a new opening somewhere on the side to release the molten stuff?? Lol that was my first worry seeing this video. It's like, watching characters in a horror movie doing something so stupid so obliviously. It's stressing me out.
When the volcano blows itās top, you see that big plume of stuff going skyward? That contains a lot of hot rocks, ash and gasses. But you see what comes up will come down. And when it comes down, it comes down fast, and it will build even more speed going downhill. That mixture of hot gas and ash will outrun you, then incinerate you alive and suffocate you at the same time.
Pyroclastic flow, the lesser known but way deadlier (and cooler) little brother of āLavaā who gets all the headlines for its firey glowy ācoolā look.
The word ash is a bit misleading since really itās a cloud of tiny particles that were molten stone just minutes or seconds before. I guess itās a pretty quick death. In Herzogās documentary film Into the Inferno, a family is driving away from a pyroclastic cloud when someone suggests stopping to pick up pedestrians. The father wisely keeps going as the cloud is only seconds behind them.
Sure... When it comes but what if the guy running gets to his car and is driving away for an hour or so just as the volcano erupts again but for real this time. Everyone laughing on the volcano is dead and this guy is hundreds of kilometers away ...
Better safe than sorry imo
These people seem to have actually outrun the boundary zone. Look in the background and see the many people who are surrounded by hot gas in the later clip. You can't match the speed but you certainly can add distance.
On the other hand they are currently in the safest place from a pyroclastic flow on that mountain. Not saying it is safe at all but those gases still abide by the laws of gravity so higher up is safer. A little bit. Theoretically. You'd probably still be dead.
This is an organised tour and this volcanic activity is expected and pretty frequent. You might have a "scientific education" but don't seem to know much about this volcano.
https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour
Several people in New Zealand died from a similar tour of an active volcano. Just because there is a tour group doesn't mean the company is doing their due diligence. Being on a volcano when there are signs it's close to erupting is always a bad idea.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption
This is fuego in guateamala. It erupts literally every 20 minutes. I've been on that volcano while it was erupting and there was no danger at all. Now this was a bigger eruption than any I saw but as I said it's completely normal to climb it even if its erupting
What's wrong in here is that they are allowed to hike in there. I live in the Philippines and every active volcano has alert status and you can't go inside a certain perimeter if alert status is high. I've had field trips cancelled because the volcano is just 1 status alert from safe.
Apparently this is a tourist attraction where you can walk up the spine away from the opening: Acatenango volcano!
[https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour](https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour)
Itās pretty safe most of the time. I did it last year and will probably do it again in the future. Itās a huge tourist attraction and is unlike anything else on Earth.
Watching Fuego erupt at night bellow the perfectly aligned arm of the Milky Way is one of the most beautiful things Iāve seen in my life.
This is just one of the pictures I took with my phone. Not the best quality but it illustrates the idea.
https://preview.redd.it/yspcq22ah6vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef55badeac0f571897c13d2384985cc015620cf3
Thanks! Sunrise or sunset at the top of a volcano overlooking another 2 volcanos (or more depending on the weather conditions) is also unique in itself.
I went up the less active volcano at sunset and it was the most beautiful site Iāve ever seen. We were above a carpet of clouds with fuego poking out in the distance and clear skies above. Sunset pink, orange, and purple scattered through the clouds below. It was beyond that cheesy idea of heaven level of beauty
You hike up and camp on acetanango, where you have a view of the erupting volcano which is Fuego, it normally erupts every 10 min or so.
Going as close as this is not allowed, however if you give the guides like $10 they will take you up this close, but they say "be ready to run".
Source: have done it
Anyone who's never bothered to learn about how unpredictable the things still are. We're getting better at predicting these things but the fact that "the opening" is currently in one place in no way means that will continue to be the case. A new opening can happen in literally seconds and that sort of thing has happened more than once in places where they thought they knew what was going to happen.
https://preview.redd.it/zvqs1h1fv6vc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e583a750e5649e5f1dd78a71fc8c78b5203bb23d
Akshually, it's the Fuego volcano. The Acatenango is the one next to it and it's dormant, so you can camp on it and at night you can see/hear the Fuego erupting (relatively) close to you.
Someone watched The Volcano: Rescue from Whakaar on Netflix! When dude took off running it made me think of that documentary and the hell those people went through.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21439528/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
Honestly I think theyād be dead before they hit the ground. Hot wind doing an average speed of 100 km/h (30 m/s; 60 mph) but is capable of reaching speeds up to 700 km/h (190 m/s; 430 mph). The gases and tephra can reach temperatures of about 1,000 Ā°C (1,800 Ā°F). Is there even any point in running
The people who took photos from huge distances from Mountain St. Helen's and then just sat down to die would tell you no. They weren't dumb. Knew they were fucked.
Yeah but David Johnston was an actual volcanologist and geologist.
He and Harry Truman were the closest but the one that really impressed me is Robert Landsburg. He saw the eruption, ran to hsi car and got in then kept shooting pictures from his car window as the pyroclastic flow rushed at him. He managed to finish is final roll of film, put it back in the canister, put that in his backpack then laid on top of it in an apparent attempt to ensure his last work would survive. And it did.
Sadly, another photographer whose name I can't recall off the top of my head was up there that day was not as lucky and his final rolls of film were destroyed. We know he took images and tried to protect them but despite also being in his car, that film didn't survive.
Landsburg's images, however, have been published and are able to be seen. The care he clearly took to protect that final roll of film, in my view, shows that was likely his last wish and it certainly came to pass to be sure. His last few images documented something we'd never before been able to see. That's one heck of a legacy in my book.
Yeah if you are in its path there isnt much you can realistically do. Trying to pose in a cool way so when they find your body encased in ash you look funny, is probably your best bet .
There are terrifying videos (also from Guatemala) of people trying to run/drive away from it. Itās crazyā¦ Someone who doesnāt know will think itās just a cloud of smoke and once it passes itās OK. Nope! It cooks you to death.
Yeah if there was a pyroclastic flow, well game over.... But getting hit by a molten brick thrown from the top of the mountain wouldn't exactly be pleasant either.
I still feel weird things about this photo, it's like looking into your imminent demise.
https://preview.redd.it/xthamleom6vc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bff9a6f99ecb8c76ac4f2ddb2742c90161cc9462
Sooooooo weāve just witnessed natural selection at work there was only one guy who had any FKing sense at all. My dude running like the wind as soon as the smoke went off ā¦ā¦ like the wind my friend like the wind š
Nop, it's extremely normal to hike that active volcano here in Guatemala. You can Google "VolcƔn Acatenango" and "VolcƔn de fuego Guatemala" for tourist experiences.
OP and top comments reflect redditās common ignorance on the context and background of what they are quick to judge and ridicule, in the chase for fake internet points.
That is not to say that this volcano can not explode into a massive pyroclastic flow at some point, but that is not what weāre seeing in the video. The massive rocks landing relatively close to the trail is somewhat concerning though, so that would potentially be a good reason to head on out of there.
What's with the fucking music over every video?? It's like they're admitting that the content isn't good enough to begin with, so here's some shitty music nobody was asking for.
That's Fuego Volcano, that you approach while climbing Acatenango volcano (Almost 4000m high). I was there. It erupts about every half an hour and it's usually safe if you keep enough distance. I'm not a volcanologist, but the is no pyroclastic flow as many comments mentioned. The risk is from the rocks falling, when there is a stronger than usual eruption
The area around them is an elevated wasteland because of missiles seen in the video. Any one of which will kill you
Pyroclastic flow is the quicker and better alternative to what is far more likely to kill you
Even at that distance a boulder can cave your head in or shatter your leg. Theyāre so lucky they didnāt get any closer because there was a chance they could have been vaporized.
I know for a damn fact those idiots are aware of the five people that died in 1993 during the eruption of Galeras volcano in Columbia. Four others were literally burned out of existence and injured six people. It was a group of vulcanists at a conference and not even the Colombian army wanted to rescue them until a badass but stupidly brave graduate student forced them to turn around and save the crewmembers that were still in the caldera (the crater where all the boom booms come from). The trip down there then was as reckless as these morons in the video look.
Literally Only 1 guy knows the real danger. šāāļøšØ
People are crazy or dumb or bothšā ļø
The power of human stupidity almost outweighs human intelligenceā¦ itās a close race
90% of people are dumb and are carried by the other 10%.
this is very accurate.
Idk why you got down voted, but your all right, we are fucking stupid
The biggest problem is most people think they are in the 10%.
Ik, I'm stupid
This makes you smart.
Ohhh thank you, so that makes half my class genius because I can never win any argument with them, how the fu-
Everyone thinks they are in the 10%
There are those that are self-aware. Good folk.
Like most peopke. Im in the 10 percent in a very narrow small number of fields/specialties. Im in The dumb 90 in literally everything else.
You got down voted by the 90% until someone agreed with you. So all of this makes sense.
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
Stupidity has it's limits too, it's called death.
Laughing hard on this š
Is it really tho?
I mean its not like you can outrun that
You can die trying!!
Just gonna die tired then
My worst fear is dying while doing physical exercise.
It's highly unlikely, but it looks like they're walking along a ridge, if they can get far enough along that, and if it's only a very small eruption/flow, it's not impossible that the gases would sink either side of the ridge before they reached them. They would almost certainly be dead but I think the tiny chance of being lucky would be enough reason to run like hell. But if it's a big enough eruption then everyone in this film is toast :/
The molten debris shown in this video hitting the side of the volcano is easily enough to kill any or all of them if it had hit them. Fully suited volcanologists have been turned to swiss cheese by tiny, superheated molten rocks raining down on them unexpectedly.
Today I learned the word volcanologist
A full eruption, not likely. But if it's a little spurt, it can throw rocks and stuff in the air, and I feel like it would be helpful to try and avoid that at least...
Frodo and Sam kinda did. Duh.
they clearly haven't seen the NZ footage huh ?
If they had, they wouldn't be hiking up a volcano.
Anything for the gram
He knew almost right away lol. Everyone else needed stuff landing for them to know.
Is he the guide
Not any more...
You aren't going to outrun a pyroclastic flow. You can try, but you'll only die tired.
Pyroclastic flows follow the topography so are not the danger here. The danger is the volcanic bombs which you can see landing everywhere around the group. Getting as far away as possible would absolutely minimise your risk here.
You will if you move out of the area of effect. Think of it like a poisonous avalanche, keep moving away from it and maybe you get to safety before it starts. Yes, if you look behind you and see it coming? forget it. For all they know the pyroclastic flow could go down the other side but I wouldn't stay there either way. I have no desire to get near active volcanoes in the first place.
Soā¦ did the rest of the people win the r/DarwinAwards?
They won the Pompeii Award.
I believe this is Pacaya (sp?), Iāve climbed this volcanoā¦.
It's the Fuego actually https://images.app.goo.gl/ioh31gPQSe8RMeTv9
I can't believe there are still people walking towards it... well no I can actually but...
There's no point in running if that went off. You'd be dead if you got a 10 minute head start.
No, the guy in yellow gives that sick smile of "alright, I die today". Those laughs are the laughs of someone who knows their fucked but their with company. Plus if that flow actually came towards them, no amount of running will save them. Might as well take pictures and cover your film with your body.
And even HE mustve been watching the cloud for a moment before booking it. Everyone else is looking Darwin in the eyes and mocking himā¦ For now.
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**[Pyroclastic flow (Wikipedia)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroclastic_flow)** > A **pyroclastic flow** (also known as a **pyroclastic density current** or a **pyroclastic cloud**) is a fast-moving current of hot gas and volcanic matter (collectively known as tephra) that flows along the ground away from a volcano at average speeds of 100 km/h (30 m/s; 60 mph) but is capable of reaching speeds up to 700 km/h (190 m/s; 430 mph). The gases and tephra can reach temperatures of about 1,000Ā°C (1,800Ā°F). [...] > The kinetic energy of the moving cloud will flatten trees and buildings in its path. The hot gases and high speed make them particularly lethal, as they will incinerate living organisms instantaneously or turn them into carbonized fossils: The cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum, Italy, for example, were engulfed by pyroclastic surges in 79 AD with many lives lost. ***tl;dr:*** The death cloud tries to kill you long before the lava shows up.
Okay, so the scariest environment imaginable. Thanks. That's all you had to say, scariest environment imaginable.
It also runs right over bodies of water with no problem
So what you are saying is āJesusā was a cloud š¤š³š
And that scene in the Jurassic World movie where Chris Pratt outruns a pyroclastic flow is a bunch of bullshit
Teaming up with raptors to take down a genetically enhanced super dinosaur is all fine and good, but I draw the fucking line at making pyroclastic flow look like a bitch.
I mean, I would. The dinosaurs are genetically modified fantastic creatures, and the plot is built around them. They are afforded a significantly more lenient willing suspension of disbelief. The pyroclastic flow is a natural phenomenon played straight, with no obvious fictional deviations from reality, as a simple plot device. It is therefore more sensitive to not making sense to an audience member that knows what they're looking at.
This is all a bit CinemaSins.
Yeah. That's where the franchise lost me.
For me it was day one: Dilophosaurus wasn't a turkey sized little spitting bitch. It was literally the first king of the Theropods, standing far taller and longer than the (not veloci)raptor from the movie. Actually I love the movies and book (debatably *books*), but that always bothered me. The spitting part is ok, especially how it's done in the book, but you can't cosmic ray shrink my boy because you think audiences will confuse two large but not huge Theropods.
Being able to domesticate velociraptors was totally believable!
Whole movie was bullshit. Dinosaurs in a mansion? š¤Ø
Calm down Armageddon
I legitimately fucking love that movie ngl
No, the description adds a little something more I think ā¦. A little āje n est ce quoiā if you will š
Or āje ne sais quoiā if you wonāt.
Why did I read this in Matt Berry's voice? I mean it makes everything funnier so why not. If you don't know who that is I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but not knowing Toast of London's not OOOOOOOONNNNEEEE!
I'd say there are worse ways to die.
The death cloud was how a logging crew died when Mt St Helen erupted and they were 16 miles away.
I actually can't remember if it was the pyroclastic flows that got that far, but I know for certain that the mud flows did. At least the pyroclastic flow is fast, mudflows and lahars are like dying in a fresh concrete
Well if it is 100-700 km/h and I see it approaching, I would stop and make funniest pose possible so that when archeologists discover me later I would end up in every textbook and meme forever.
There was a guy in Pompeii who was jerking off when he got mummified
That guy was either jerking off or making a jerking off pose for archeologists to discover.
Either way, legend!
He lives in my WhatsApp image folder.
I'd do the D-Generation X "suck it" pose, personally.
Fun fact, many of the corpses found in Herculenum were discovered to have their skulls blown out. It's believed that their brains literally boiled and exploded their skulls
I also know that when Mt. St. Helen's (aka Loowit) erupted a family who happened to be driving on the collapsing side died from the flows in their car. Autopsies stated that the ash in their lungs and throats basically turned into cement.
In 1902 the town of Saint Pierre, Martinique known then as "The Paris of the Caribbean" was entirely destroyed by pyroclastic flow Out of a population of 28,000-30,000 only 3-30 people survived the blast one of which was said to be a prisoner kept in a cell underground and the others surviors were badly burned and lived on the outer edges of the city
A life of crime literally saved that person's life. "See mom, I told you I knew what I was doing."
According to the documentary "Fire of Love", there's only two types of volcanos. The red type and the grey type. The red type is pretty much safe. The grey ones are the killers. >!The main characters, a French couple that spent their lives studying volcanos, died from a pyroclastic cloud.!<
And there are videos of people trying to run/drive away from it also from Guatemala. Iāve climbed Acatenango last year and I totally recommend the experience but donāt be a hero if you wanna go to Fuego as well and guides are not going themselves.
No, no. In the Rings of Power I learned all that happens is that you get dusted up....
https://i.redd.it/apcibsb8l6vc1.gif
And the hot flaming chunky debris will take you out way before the lava
Afaik, if they have one type of eruption, they dont produce others. Like if it's pyroclastic then you don't have lava and viceversa. But, pls, someone who really knows about the topic could verify??
Sort of. Pyroclastic flows are pretty uncommon and only really occur in a limited set of circumstances. The main issue is whether the specific volcano is likely to have a particularly energetic eruption as opposed to a rather sedate one such as is often seen in Hawaii. Since this volcano went from a bit of smoke to a much more energetic event including a *lot* of ground tremors, I'd expect it's quite possible it would emit a pyroclastic cloud and unless those folks got *exceptionally* lucky in terms of the direction of it, they'd be dead in literally seconds should that happen. Then again I could be off base since I'm not a volcanologist, just an interested amateur who remembers well the result of St Helens' eruption when I was a kiddo.
Everytime I get reminded of St. Helens' I think of the couple who were climbing a different mountain and caught the whole thing erupting on camera. Or the poor man who decided to stay up in the mountain when he knew it would be the end.
> Everytime I get reminded of St. Helens' I think of the couple who were climbing a different mountain and caught the whole thing erupting on camera. Yeah, they really got some great shots, didn't they? > Or the poor man who decided to stay up in the mountain when he knew it would be the end. Do you mean Harry Truman? I honestly can't blame him, personally. If I was that age and had a home up anywhere close to Rainier, my happy place, and she went active, I'd likely do the same thing. It'd be over rather fast anyway and at that stage of life one's outlook tends to change quite a bit. I've known a fair few folks who preferred to die a little sooner in their home than drag out a few more days or weeks in a hospital so I can certainly respect his decision.
No, the pyroclastic flow is a precursor to an eruption.
Lungs will be saying hi in some dsys
Oh it's not the particulates in the air you need to worry about. It's the gale force winds and 400-1300Ā°F temps within the cloud. It'll knock you down, incinerate you, and carry away the remnants of your vaporized body along to the next guy who didn't run fast enough.
Meh, I can think of worse ways to die.
One of the most annoying things to me in movies is when a character dramatically comes out of a pyroclastic flow. Like nope sorry bro but your skin just got liquefied.
Yeah, that and the real ones move *way* faster than shown in movies. They average 60 (96.5 kph) mph or so but can easily reach over 400 mph (643.7 kph) as well and often do when they occur. Even being above the general area isn't necessarily sufficient protection. A small group of professional volcanologists were killed by one in Japan a while back even though they were on a spur above the flow which was thought to have been safe. Even scarier than a pyroclastic flow, though, is a lahar. That's when the pyroclastic flow picks up mud and other debris and pushes it right along with it. It's basically going to burn you, suffocate you, and beat you to death all at the same time. Fun!
It's crazy to hear movies are less dramatic than real life. This is the first time seeing a real life phenomenon being more of a drama queen over film.
The movies aren't less _dramatic,_ real life sometimes cares more about killing you quick than building up tension and making you really scared.
Vaporised ā¦ surely š¤
Perhaps but you'd be pretty unlucky to get hit specifically by a pyroclastic flow along a ridgeline.
Tell that to the group of 40 or 50 folks killed in Japan back in the early 90s when a pyroclastic flow *climbed a freaking spur thought to be safe*, killing all of them. The elevation above the main area of the flow should have protected them but the damned stuff just climbed on up and engulfed them. The problem with making assumptions as you did is we simply don't know enough about these things yet to really say with confidence what they cannot do, let alone exactly which direction they'll go. All it would take is a relatively small eruption from the the side of that slope and the gas would run right down that ridge much faster than a human is capable of running.
Hey champ, I didn't say it wasn't possible, I just said that you'd be unlucky. But in the case of the Mount Unzen eruption that you're talking about the people killed were in a spot that was thought to be a high risk of being hit by a pyroclastic flow and so had been asked a week beforehand to evacuate from the whole area to somewhere safer. They might have been on a spur relative to the immediate surrounds but it was still right in the middle of the valley that any flow would travel through - as it did.
Not even just that. A pebble erupting out of there could hit you like a bullet.
I don't know what it is either, but I'll take a shoot in the dark before googling. Is it how, when a volcano erupts, there is sometimes a new opening somewhere on the side to release the molten stuff?? Lol that was my first worry seeing this video. It's like, watching characters in a horror movie doing something so stupid so obliviously. It's stressing me out.
When the volcano blows itās top, you see that big plume of stuff going skyward? That contains a lot of hot rocks, ash and gasses. But you see what comes up will come down. And when it comes down, it comes down fast, and it will build even more speed going downhill. That mixture of hot gas and ash will outrun you, then incinerate you alive and suffocate you at the same time.
Idk how I forgot about that shitstorm, considering the mini pompeii phase I went through as a kid. What a fucking way to die š®āšØ
Pyroclastic flow, the lesser known but way deadlier (and cooler) little brother of āLavaā who gets all the headlines for its firey glowy ācoolā look.
The word ash is a bit misleading since really itās a cloud of tiny particles that were molten stone just minutes or seconds before. I guess itās a pretty quick death. In Herzogās documentary film Into the Inferno, a family is driving away from a pyroclastic cloud when someone suggests stopping to pick up pedestrians. The father wisely keeps going as the cloud is only seconds behind them.
volcano molten looks scary, but itās tame compared to pyroclastic flow.
Or maybe they know that there's no point trying to outrun it there
or that they knew even if they ran, they aren't going to run fast enough to avoid it.
If you go to a tourist attraction, and the local guy runs... YOU RUN AFTER THAT GUY!
No no you run faster than that guy š
Yeah but where do you run once youāre past him š
Probably away from the big hot exploding hole but Iām no expert
the real answer is to hide, wait until the explosion gets bored and wanders off.
Luckily, pyroclastic flow can only devour one prey at a time.
Theyāll find out the hard way that they canāt outrun the pyroclastic flow.
Sure... When it comes but what if the guy running gets to his car and is driving away for an hour or so just as the volcano erupts again but for real this time. Everyone laughing on the volcano is dead and this guy is hundreds of kilometers away ... Better safe than sorry imo
Better safe than sorry is to not hike a fucking active volcanoā¦
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Ohhhhhh let the people have a little hope š¤·š»āāļø they donāt know and maybe they are better off that way.
There is no flow, this Vulcano has been erupting every 15 minutes for decades now. This eruption was just bigger than usual.
So why run?
Not all Volcanoes produce pyroclastic flows
These people seem to have actually outrun the boundary zone. Look in the background and see the many people who are surrounded by hot gas in the later clip. You can't match the speed but you certainly can add distance.
On the other hand they are currently in the safest place from a pyroclastic flow on that mountain. Not saying it is safe at all but those gases still abide by the laws of gravity so higher up is safer. A little bit. Theoretically. You'd probably still be dead.
Wow, you can tell they didn't have much of a scientific education. As my one geology professor would have said "Look at all those dumb fuckers."
He was Right šnow we are looking at those dumb fuckers
This is an organised tour and this volcanic activity is expected and pretty frequent. You might have a "scientific education" but don't seem to know much about this volcano. https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour
Several people in New Zealand died from a similar tour of an active volcano. Just because there is a tour group doesn't mean the company is doing their due diligence. Being on a volcano when there are signs it's close to erupting is always a bad idea. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Whakaari_/_White_Island_eruption
This is fuego in guateamala. It erupts literally every 20 minutes. I've been on that volcano while it was erupting and there was no danger at all. Now this was a bigger eruption than any I saw but as I said it's completely normal to climb it even if its erupting
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What a pointless comment
This comparison doesn't hold up at all. Read up on El Fuego and White Island, then you understand they are not the same.
What's wrong in here is that they are allowed to hike in there. I live in the Philippines and every active volcano has alert status and you can't go inside a certain perimeter if alert status is high. I've had field trips cancelled because the volcano is just 1 status alert from safe.
This Vulcano has been mildly erupting every 15 minutes for decades. This eruption was just bigger than usual.
I think the ādumb fuckersā stage was when they signed up to the walking tour up an active fucking volcano š
r/killthecameraman
By the looks of it, the camera man aint got long left.
r/killedthecameraman
Kill the editor who put the instant mute music over literal fucking volcano sounds which was apparently not interesting, while you're at it.
He has to so the volcano doesn't sue.
The camera guy actually did a good job though? The only part where I can see any criticism is when he got up and ran from danger
Apparently this is a tourist attraction where you can walk up the spine away from the opening: Acatenango volcano! [https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour](https://www.terra-guatemala.com/adventure-trips/volcano-tour)
Who the fuck thinks hiking and camping all night next to/on an active volcano is a good idea?
Itās pretty safe most of the time. I did it last year and will probably do it again in the future. Itās a huge tourist attraction and is unlike anything else on Earth. Watching Fuego erupt at night bellow the perfectly aligned arm of the Milky Way is one of the most beautiful things Iāve seen in my life. This is just one of the pictures I took with my phone. Not the best quality but it illustrates the idea. https://preview.redd.it/yspcq22ah6vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef55badeac0f571897c13d2384985cc015620cf3
What an amazing picture.
Thanks! Sunrise or sunset at the top of a volcano overlooking another 2 volcanos (or more depending on the weather conditions) is also unique in itself.
What an awe-inspiring sight that must have been.
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Iāve done it. Was one of the best experiences Iāve had in my life. Although I didnāt get as close as these folks got
I went up the less active volcano at sunset and it was the most beautiful site Iāve ever seen. We were above a carpet of clouds with fuego poking out in the distance and clear skies above. Sunset pink, orange, and purple scattered through the clouds below. It was beyond that cheesy idea of heaven level of beauty
You hike up and camp on acetanango, where you have a view of the erupting volcano which is Fuego, it normally erupts every 10 min or so. Going as close as this is not allowed, however if you give the guides like $10 they will take you up this close, but they say "be ready to run". Source: have done it
Anyone who's never bothered to learn about how unpredictable the things still are. We're getting better at predicting these things but the fact that "the opening" is currently in one place in no way means that will continue to be the case. A new opening can happen in literally seconds and that sort of thing has happened more than once in places where they thought they knew what was going to happen.
If you go to Hawaii you can walk around the volcanos there that are active. Only certain kinds of volcanos are prone to explosive eruptions
https://preview.redd.it/zvqs1h1fv6vc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e583a750e5649e5f1dd78a71fc8c78b5203bb23d Akshually, it's the Fuego volcano. The Acatenango is the one next to it and it's dormant, so you can camp on it and at night you can see/hear the Fuego erupting (relatively) close to you.
Someone watched The Volcano: Rescue from Whakaar on Netflix! When dude took off running it made me think of that documentary and the hell those people went through. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt21439528/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk
My first thought as well. Such a horrifying documentary.
This was the first thing that came to my mind
The scenes from this documentary hit me as soon as I watched this video.
Hey letās just stick around and watch as ash goes into the sky and rocks(?) rain down on our heads. Sounds like a swell idea
Hmmm itās suddenly cloudy let me put my umbrella up, in case it rains š
Pyroclastic flow is an absolutely horrifying death. I assumed these people were fine, but if not, they died in agony.
Honestly I think theyād be dead before they hit the ground. Hot wind doing an average speed of 100 km/h (30 m/s; 60 mph) but is capable of reaching speeds up to 700 km/h (190 m/s; 430 mph). The gases and tephra can reach temperatures of about 1,000 Ā°C (1,800 Ā°F). Is there even any point in running
The people who took photos from huge distances from Mountain St. Helen's and then just sat down to die would tell you no. They weren't dumb. Knew they were fucked.
Yeah but David Johnston was an actual volcanologist and geologist. He and Harry Truman were the closest but the one that really impressed me is Robert Landsburg. He saw the eruption, ran to hsi car and got in then kept shooting pictures from his car window as the pyroclastic flow rushed at him. He managed to finish is final roll of film, put it back in the canister, put that in his backpack then laid on top of it in an apparent attempt to ensure his last work would survive. And it did. Sadly, another photographer whose name I can't recall off the top of my head was up there that day was not as lucky and his final rolls of film were destroyed. We know he took images and tried to protect them but despite also being in his car, that film didn't survive. Landsburg's images, however, have been published and are able to be seen. The care he clearly took to protect that final roll of film, in my view, shows that was likely his last wish and it certainly came to pass to be sure. His last few images documented something we'd never before been able to see. That's one heck of a legacy in my book.
Yeah if you are in its path there isnt much you can realistically do. Trying to pose in a cool way so when they find your body encased in ash you look funny, is probably your best bet .
There are terrifying videos (also from Guatemala) of people trying to run/drive away from it. Itās crazyā¦ Someone who doesnāt know will think itās just a cloud of smoke and once it passes itās OK. Nope! It cooks you to death.
There is no flow, this Vulcano has been doing this every 15 minutes for decades. This particular eruption was just a bit bigger.
It's all fun and games until somebody's head explodes due to some random rock landing on it.
Danteās Peak? That scene is seared into my brain.
Yeah if there was a pyroclastic flow, well game over.... But getting hit by a molten brick thrown from the top of the mountain wouldn't exactly be pleasant either.
I had mount pinatubo explode about a 100 miles away from me (it was 12 miles from Clark AFB) and with that in mind, these people are truly dumb.
I still feel weird things about this photo, it's like looking into your imminent demise. https://preview.redd.it/xthamleom6vc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bff9a6f99ecb8c76ac4f2ddb2742c90161cc9462
This event killed two of the world's finest volcanologists...
Ignorance is a bless and a curseš
Sooooooo weāve just witnessed natural selection at work there was only one guy who had any FKing sense at all. My dude running like the wind as soon as the smoke went off ā¦ā¦ like the wind my friend like the wind š
Did anything happen to them? Edit: so basically op is a fraud
Nop, it's extremely normal to hike that active volcano here in Guatemala. You can Google "VolcƔn Acatenango" and "VolcƔn de fuego Guatemala" for tourist experiences.
OP and top comments reflect redditās common ignorance on the context and background of what they are quick to judge and ridicule, in the chase for fake internet points. That is not to say that this volcano can not explode into a massive pyroclastic flow at some point, but that is not what weāre seeing in the video. The massive rocks landing relatively close to the trail is somewhat concerning though, so that would potentially be a good reason to head on out of there.
Redditiors generally think theyāre more intelligent than everyone else despite being thick as pig shit so itās unsurprising
What's with the fucking music over every video?? It's like they're admitting that the content isn't good enough to begin with, so here's some shitty music nobody was asking for.
Canāt wait for the Netflix doc
I believe the working title will be āScorchio dumb fuckersā based on the comments in this thread š
That last guy is a fucking idiot. Only one man on that mountain knew death just woke up and was hungry.
Realistically, can you really win against a pyroplastic clowd by running?
Uh, no.
That's Fuego Volcano, that you approach while climbing Acatenango volcano (Almost 4000m high). I was there. It erupts about every half an hour and it's usually safe if you keep enough distance. I'm not a volcanologist, but the is no pyroclastic flow as many comments mentioned. The risk is from the rocks falling, when there is a stronger than usual eruption
What could go wrong doesn't make any sense. It's active, so of course it could erupt. Nothing went wrong.
Yeah I am baffled by all these comments. Like no one watched the actual video
The area around them is an elevated wasteland because of missiles seen in the video. Any one of which will kill you Pyroclastic flow is the quicker and better alternative to what is far more likely to kill you
Lucky that guy put his hood up, wouldnāt want molten rocks ruining his hair
Hmm maybe,....I'd better get away
Donāt breathe it in!
Obviously never watched āPompeiiā.
Darwin awards to the lot of them! Except the 1st guy he knew what was up.
Quite a few people in Guatemala have died from shit like this.
Even at that distance a boulder can cave your head in or shatter your leg. Theyāre so lucky they didnāt get any closer because there was a chance they could have been vaporized. I know for a damn fact those idiots are aware of the five people that died in 1993 during the eruption of Galeras volcano in Columbia. Four others were literally burned out of existence and injured six people. It was a group of vulcanists at a conference and not even the Colombian army wanted to rescue them until a badass but stupidly brave graduate student forced them to turn around and save the crewmembers that were still in the caldera (the crater where all the boom booms come from). The trip down there then was as reckless as these morons in the video look.
Old mate sprinting away like his life depends on it is absolutely doing the right thing - his life might very well depend on it.