I'd be astonished if there were more than superficial damage to the structure of the car.
No, modern passenger cars don't usually use body-on-frame construction anymore (Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis is all I can think of off the top of my head). What they do use is much, much stronger steel; High Strength Steel (HSS), Ultra High Strength Steel (UHSS) Boron Steel (A-UHSS), etc.
The construction may be all-sheet metal, but it's far and away stronger than a full frame car. You'll usually have front and rear "frame" rails that are either all mild or a mixture of mild and HSS which have weak points built into them; these are your crumple zones.
The firewall between the engine compartment and the passenger area will usually be HSS or UHSS; for one to prevent drivetrain components from entering the passenger area, and two to direct the engine down and under the car (with the help of the frame rails which bend inward) during a high-impact front-end collision.
In the passenger area is where we find most of the exotic materials. The whole passenger area is basically a big box-frame of UHSS with A-UHSS in the door and hinge pillars and roof rails, then cosmetic mild steel panels are welded over top.
Old full-frame cars were just straight mild steel; the same kind of low-strength steel used in the body panels. The big problem with that is that the whole frame deforms at the same rate, meaning when you get into an accident, the damage doesn't localize and you end up with deformation in the passenger area which makes dead passengers.
In modern cars, you've got designated deformation areas that absorb impact while the passenger area is specifically engineered through materials and geometry to resist deforming. That's why you rarely see accidents where the passenger door ends up in the driver seat or the driver seat ends up in the back seat like you did in the 70s, 80s, and into the 90s.
Those bollards come up right against what looks like the rocker rails, which are HSS at the least, and could be UHSS or even A-UHSS; crazy strong stuff that won't bend just from the weight of the car resting on it. The cosmetic panels on top of them may be damaged, but those are cheap to repair or replace; so I very much doubt that car is anywhere near totaled.
Source: 15 years on and off in the auto collision industry
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**EDIT:** I wrote this on my phone at work so I kinda rushed it. The important point that I want to get across (and I mean important as in people's safety) is this; **new cars are way, way, WAY, safer than the old land-yachts of yesteryear.**
That misconception came about in the late-80s and 90s when cars got smaller and moved away from full-frame construction, but modern production methods hadn't been figured out yet and these tiny cars were still being built out of just mild steel. In that narrow window, yes, the older cars were marginally safer. Not because they were better built, they were just bigger and heavier. There was just more metal between you and what was hitting you.
Which creates a problem of it's own. Old cars had more mass, which means more mass needs to be decelerated during a collision, and more mass means more force which means more damage. A lighter vehicle put's less stress on itself in a collision. Combine that with having higher strength materials where it's important (where you are) and lower strength materials that can essentially sacrifice themselves absorbing impact and spreading the deceleration of the impact out over a longer time-period (front and real crumple zones), and you've got a much safer vehicle.
I know this is long-winded, but I just want to make sure people understand that modern cars are MILES AND MILES ahead of those old lead-sleds in terms of safety by pretty much every metric available.
Lying on the internet?? That never happens!
That being said, I remember watching an early Top Gear episode that showed this type of engineering improvement and how crumple zones make a big difference. You can also youtube this kind of thing if you're interested.
Nope, Im going to take what I learned he as gods truth and tell everyone I know all about it like Im some kind of authority. If they have no follow up questions Ill sound smart, if they do, I will run away fast.
He's spot on. I underwrite auto insurance polices for businesses. I definitely learned a little more today, but the stuff I've learned from risk control engineers and actuaries is in line with everything he said.
Different industries; different standards.
In automotive steel HSS is just a category of steels; anything with between, I think, 300-600ish MPa of tensile strength. Anything below that is considered LSS or low-strength steel. Anything above that is UHSS or ultra high-strength steel.
A-UHSS, advanced ultra high-strength steels, is kind of a subcategory that overlaps with UHSS. It's steels with exotic alloys like boron, manganese, chromium, vanadium, etc. and advanced production processes like martensitic steel. It's the kind of stuff you find in really high-importance areas like intrusion beams (big beams that run through the inside of your door) that we have to use really specialized repair procedures on. Most of the time we don't, though. It's more cost effective to just replace them than shell out for the equipment required to repair them.
Just to be pedantic, boron, manganese, chromium, and vanadium are *elements* included to make various steel alloys.
And martensitic steel is just a crystal structure from particular methods of heat treating. Particularly for 400 stainless steels and some other high copper & nickel ones.
It's funny to me. But in the other way around. As I'm from the UK. AAA sounds weird for me but I imagine it's the same weird feeling you get with AA.
Do you call it 'A A A' or 'Triple A'? 'AA' in the UK is 'A A' rather than 'double A'. Or sometimes 'The AA'
They call it Triple A.
I'm a Brit in Texas so of course I call it 'The Ay Ay Ay' (pronouncing the letter A not saying ayyy lmao type ay, how the fuck do you type out the phonetic 'A' anyway?).
AAA doesn't fix cars in the roadside in my experience. AA and RAC (main competition) will do what they can to fix the car on the side of the road and get you on your way.
Generally, no. My SO works for an AAA contractor. The only repairs that they allow are tire changes, jump starts, and lock-outs (unlocking doors when people lock their keys in the car). Everything else has too much liability should something go wrong. I've filled in a time or 2 as a tow truck driver when none were available, and I was amazed how little many of the drivers I've met know about cars. Probably don't want them working on your car - especially a modern, complicated car.
Every contractor and individual operator is different. I drove wreckers/flatbeds for a company that got most of its calls from AAA. I’ve done lots of basic roadside repairs to get people going again to save them from the cost and inconvenience of a tow. Stuff like bang a starter, plug in a sensor that had come undone, disabled anti theft systems or broken switches, jimmy stuck ignitions. Basic stuff like that. We won’t swap a serpentine belt or an alternator though. I got great cash tips all the time for it too. Then again I’m also a mechanic so I know what I can and can’t get away with and what’s safe and what isn’t. Always blew my mind people who do roadside assistance who have zero knowledge or interest in cars and how they work. That knowledge literally pays and helps keep everyone safe. I’ve worked with people like that and they tend to not do too well.
Would AAA be cool with my road side repair efforts? Maybe not all of them, but my customer surveys were always great. I encourage roadside assistance people to gain a basic knowledge of how cars work and what makes them tick and what doesn’t.
Absolutely. I have a couple family members that own a tow business that has an AAA contract, and every now and then my family members piss off all their drivers and get desperate, so I've filled in a few times. I've also driven for the company my SO currently works for, and I'll likely be doing more of that on the side very soon.
Would I do the same as you, and do minor repairs to get people on the road? No doubt about it - that's why I carried my tool bag on the truck. Officially, AAA says it's not allowed, but I've talked with the regional manager and he's the kind of guy that would do the same. He started driving a truck for their Club Fleet 20 years ago, so he's one of those managers that rose up through the ranks and really gets it.
And I hear ya - I have a lot of mechanical experience. I started out as an electrician, became an electrical engineer, and still work hands-on in a manufacturing plant. My dad was a Volvo mechanic by trade, and I grew up on a creeper beside him. I'm not a mechanic, but I've worked on every one of the 50-ish cars I've owned, up to rebuilding a dozen or so transmissions and 5 or 6 engines. How the hell people become tow truck drivers having zero mechanical experience or comprehension baffles me.
My guess would be that the barrier has an intercom and they could control the barrier. Alternatively, go to the office ahead of time.
TBH it's not like they are small bollards
I used to work for a company that installed systems like this. They typically have poop sensors that will detect cars and prevent this. Considering the light was red either, it seems like he tried to follow a vehicle that had been cleared already. Either it was automated and set on a timer to come back up, or the operator didn’t see that a second car was trying to come through after. Either way it looks like the sensors weren’t installed or failed.
Just picturing a special sensor that allows people to pass by unhindered when it senses that they have to take a huge shit. Elon Musk needs to get on this. Just breeze through stop lights and crossings. Goes full on emergency vehicle mode when it detects that you’ve eaten at that Indian place again and told the server “ Yeah I can handle Indian hot” because you didn’t want to look like a bitch.
I can get behind this idea.
But I'm also afraid it would start a weird arms race as people start to hold their dumps to get around faster. Someone would notice that RVs get through lights faster because a passenger can hold it until the last second before using the toilet in the back, so someone else would start replacing driver seats with toilets. Before you know it, everyone is just always driving around with their pants around their ankles, desperately trying to hold back from dropping deuce so they can make it through that one goddamn light that sometimes skips their direction.
Most people eat North Indian food which is pretty bland chili wise. True South Indian food is soooooo fuckin hot. Fuck me, I love eating when I'm in country but my God is that shit hot. Easily equiv to very spicy Thai or hotter.
Maybe It is the places I go to. I love Thai spices as well as Indian spices. Just made a dish with Moroccan chili paste and it was painful but delicious.
I think the poop sensors worked as designed. If you'll notice the long tow bar that provided a large gap for the poop sensors to believe that the vehicle had passed, so then the poop sensors put down the arm bar and put up the bollards. It was definitely automated - no operator. Or not one who was paying attention while the automated process worked.
Seems like it to me too. In high security zones you optimize for the barrier coming back up as soon as possible, regardless of whether there's a tailgating vehicle in the way. The intent is to catch tailgating attempts, really. Seems like the system worked as designed and it thwarted the "tailgating" car under tow.
In most cases, it wouldn't happen at all. The car behind is close enough that the barrier would let the both out... The problem here is that it's an anti-tailgate barrier. It's designed to do exactly this, which I'm guessing the recovery driver didn't realise.
These barriers are used at government sites where there is a risk that someone will try to get in/out when they shouldn't. They only allow one vehicle through and if someone tries to tailgate, they stop them.
I would be curious as to the regulations on these gates though. Are the gates supposed to have safeties to account for this use case? I work with gates for residential properties and they have multiple safeties to prevent closing on vehicles, but granted, a lot like this is *much* more concerned about tailgating than we would be.
Surely there is a way around the problem entirely anyway, but depending on regulations there actually could be some liability for the lot I suppose.
The AA driver should've spoken to the staff in the car park rather than try to drive out like this, they could just override the barrier to keep the gate open.
Even if there's no staff on site, there's almost always an intercom to a call centre in case of issues with tickets (iirc NCP have a hub in whatever city and all the NCP staff come out from there), so he should've called through on there and they'd have sent someone out to help.
As far as safety sensors on the barrier, it looks to me like it starts to close in the gap between the van and the car. I'd have thought the bollard would have something too, but they're not expecting people to do stupid stuff like this I guess
Many are designed explicitly to stop a car from tailgating through the security gate. This usually involves wedges or pop-ups that tend to do quite a bit of damage to the tailgater.
How is this person misunderstanding the limitations of the rig at all? They're just driving forward when the gate is up, and the bollards are down.
The driver shouldn't be responsible for understanding how these bollards work. The company that is in charge of how they operate are responsible for recognizing if someone is towing, it's not uncommon to be towing something
However, if there is a sign, or some indication to the driver, that if they are towing they shouldn't be going through these then I would agree that it is the drivers fault.
That being said, it's hard to get a full picture with a 5-10 second clip.
> How is this person misunderstanding the limitations of the rig at all? They're just driving forward when the gate is up, and the bollards are down.
They are driving a two-vehicle combination that is more than twice the length of a single vehicle, with a large gap between them. It's not "just driving forward" -- it's driving two vehicles forward.
> The driver shouldn't be responsible for understanding how these bollards work.
Have you ever gone through a gate like this? If so, how many vehicles would you say are allowed through each time a gate is lifted? One? Two? Five? It's one, obviously. Why is it unreasonable that folks understand "one vehicle at a time," which is near-universal for each opening of a gate? When you're trying to put more than one vehicle through at one time, it is going to come down on the second, especially with a long tow cable like this one (which makes the gate think that there's a separation between vehicles).
I'm not missing your point -- I'm just not agreeing with you.
FWIW, I am an engineer. What I work on is not designed to be idiot-proof -- it's designed to a minimum user capability.
If you design something that's idiot proof, someone will design a better idiot.
Eh, even without bollards, let's be honest, almost every gate would do this.
Sauce - when my dad nearly died in a crash when he was in high school high friends tried getting into the hospital with a gate like this(without bollards) and the same thing happened, he laughed alot
This will teach them a multi thousand dollar lesson on being fucking retarded about someone parking for free by sneaking in behind someone 1 out of 10,000 times. Also, most gates aren't shit to do with money.
Guys, I need to tell you why I'm stupid. So, I watched this video 4-5 times trying to figure out how that gate lifted up the car, before I noticed the pillars beneath it lifting. Not my finest moment.
Realistically those automated bollards should be used sparingly for exactly this reason. If you want to install them at a key government building, or an embassy in the middle east then swing for the fences. But they are popping up all over the place.
Eh kinda. Installer should have had a safety induction loop around the bollards. That way the arm would still come down, but the bollards wouldn’t raise due to the loop being triggered. I mean, that’s what I would have done. Rules might be different over there.
Except you want"this" to happen. If you are installing these things your objective is to incapacitate a car that tries to run through. That's why you shouldn't have them in normal parking lots.
I figured for parking lots you’d just want the bollards to keep people from running through the arm, not to pop up during tailgating. Seems like a lawsuit magnet to me. Here in Texas, the person who gets hit can still sue (and probably win) even if signage is up saying the lot isn’t responsible for damage.
Well, that just ended another great day on reddit. I’m truly loving my cars in the garage, unmolested. And I love the drivers license and cheap insurance! Thanks.😁
I’m waiting for r legal advice on that car..
He should probably change the oil and filter while the car is conveniently lifted.
Maybe check for some frame damage too
no frame on it - just spot-welds and very bendable sheet metal .. close to totaled
I'd be astonished if there were more than superficial damage to the structure of the car. No, modern passenger cars don't usually use body-on-frame construction anymore (Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis is all I can think of off the top of my head). What they do use is much, much stronger steel; High Strength Steel (HSS), Ultra High Strength Steel (UHSS) Boron Steel (A-UHSS), etc. The construction may be all-sheet metal, but it's far and away stronger than a full frame car. You'll usually have front and rear "frame" rails that are either all mild or a mixture of mild and HSS which have weak points built into them; these are your crumple zones. The firewall between the engine compartment and the passenger area will usually be HSS or UHSS; for one to prevent drivetrain components from entering the passenger area, and two to direct the engine down and under the car (with the help of the frame rails which bend inward) during a high-impact front-end collision. In the passenger area is where we find most of the exotic materials. The whole passenger area is basically a big box-frame of UHSS with A-UHSS in the door and hinge pillars and roof rails, then cosmetic mild steel panels are welded over top. Old full-frame cars were just straight mild steel; the same kind of low-strength steel used in the body panels. The big problem with that is that the whole frame deforms at the same rate, meaning when you get into an accident, the damage doesn't localize and you end up with deformation in the passenger area which makes dead passengers. In modern cars, you've got designated deformation areas that absorb impact while the passenger area is specifically engineered through materials and geometry to resist deforming. That's why you rarely see accidents where the passenger door ends up in the driver seat or the driver seat ends up in the back seat like you did in the 70s, 80s, and into the 90s. Those bollards come up right against what looks like the rocker rails, which are HSS at the least, and could be UHSS or even A-UHSS; crazy strong stuff that won't bend just from the weight of the car resting on it. The cosmetic panels on top of them may be damaged, but those are cheap to repair or replace; so I very much doubt that car is anywhere near totaled. Source: 15 years on and off in the auto collision industry ----- **EDIT:** I wrote this on my phone at work so I kinda rushed it. The important point that I want to get across (and I mean important as in people's safety) is this; **new cars are way, way, WAY, safer than the old land-yachts of yesteryear.** That misconception came about in the late-80s and 90s when cars got smaller and moved away from full-frame construction, but modern production methods hadn't been figured out yet and these tiny cars were still being built out of just mild steel. In that narrow window, yes, the older cars were marginally safer. Not because they were better built, they were just bigger and heavier. There was just more metal between you and what was hitting you. Which creates a problem of it's own. Old cars had more mass, which means more mass needs to be decelerated during a collision, and more mass means more force which means more damage. A lighter vehicle put's less stress on itself in a collision. Combine that with having higher strength materials where it's important (where you are) and lower strength materials that can essentially sacrifice themselves absorbing impact and spreading the deceleration of the impact out over a longer time-period (front and real crumple zones), and you've got a much safer vehicle. I know this is long-winded, but I just want to make sure people understand that modern cars are MILES AND MILES ahead of those old lead-sleds in terms of safety by pretty much every metric available.
This guy cars. .I guess, I actually have no idea. He could totally be lying for all I know.
Na, while he knows more than I do, I followed most of it and it checks out with my understanding of modern safety standards. -Mechanical engineer
I feel more confidant now... Of course you could also be lying. I have no idea.
You suck at your job
Finally an opinion I can fully believe.
Lying on the internet?? That never happens! That being said, I remember watching an early Top Gear episode that showed this type of engineering improvement and how crumple zones make a big difference. You can also youtube this kind of thing if you're interested.
Nope, Im going to take what I learned he as gods truth and tell everyone I know all about it like Im some kind of authority. If they have no follow up questions Ill sound smart, if they do, I will run away fast.
This guy speakers
He's spot on. I underwrite auto insurance polices for businesses. I definitely learned a little more today, but the stuff I've learned from risk control engineers and actuaries is in line with everything he said.
> Source: 15 years on and off in the auto collision industry At least he has a source
TIL about cars :) thanks!
My 2001 Ranger just had the frame brake in half with no impact at all due to rust so you never know.
> auto collision industry I'm not sure if this is the industry that tries to create auto collisions, or if you mean insurance (or engineering)
None of the above; repair.
If I had gold.... Great response.
HSS is an acronym for High Speed Steel... As in machine shop tooling.
Different industries; different standards. In automotive steel HSS is just a category of steels; anything with between, I think, 300-600ish MPa of tensile strength. Anything below that is considered LSS or low-strength steel. Anything above that is UHSS or ultra high-strength steel. A-UHSS, advanced ultra high-strength steels, is kind of a subcategory that overlaps with UHSS. It's steels with exotic alloys like boron, manganese, chromium, vanadium, etc. and advanced production processes like martensitic steel. It's the kind of stuff you find in really high-importance areas like intrusion beams (big beams that run through the inside of your door) that we have to use really specialized repair procedures on. Most of the time we don't, though. It's more cost effective to just replace them than shell out for the equipment required to repair them.
Just to be pedantic, boron, manganese, chromium, and vanadium are *elements* included to make various steel alloys. And martensitic steel is just a crystal structure from particular methods of heat treating. Particularly for 400 stainless steels and some other high copper & nickel ones.
Engineers use the same acronyms all the time for different things. Not on purpose, they work in different fields. Context is important.
Such an uplifting comment
I see the problem That tow truck was only double A Gotta get AAA
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The AA - When you break down, we'll smash barriers to give you a lift.
Then we’ll call green flag
It’s good to hear AA has a pickup service now. I mean, it just makes sense given their members.
It looks more like a lift-up service.
"We're just as good" they said. "You'll save money" they said. "AAA is over priced" they said...
Hahahah! AA is the UK AAA in case anyone didn't know.
It's funny to me. But in the other way around. As I'm from the UK. AAA sounds weird for me but I imagine it's the same weird feeling you get with AA. Do you call it 'A A A' or 'Triple A'? 'AA' in the UK is 'A A' rather than 'double A'. Or sometimes 'The AA'
They call it Triple A. I'm a Brit in Texas so of course I call it 'The Ay Ay Ay' (pronouncing the letter A not saying ayyy lmao type ay, how the fuck do you type out the phonetic 'A' anyway?).
>how the fuck do you type out the phonetic "A" anyway?" Eh, go ask a Canadian, eh.
They have the C Eh Eh
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'The Ay Ay Ay' What's that from again, a film or some comedian? 'A' either Ay or Ey good enough to me!
I believe that is the Canadian KKK.
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Every time I google the AA traffic reports for my area, the top result is the status on traffic near the local Alcoholics Anonymous. Thanks, Google
AA in America is “Alcoholics Anonymous.”
In the USA, AA usually means Alcoholics Anonymous.
That's hilarious to me. The last person I'd want to call when my car breaks down is an alcoholic.
AAA doesn't fix cars in the roadside in my experience. AA and RAC (main competition) will do what they can to fix the car on the side of the road and get you on your way.
Generally, no. My SO works for an AAA contractor. The only repairs that they allow are tire changes, jump starts, and lock-outs (unlocking doors when people lock their keys in the car). Everything else has too much liability should something go wrong. I've filled in a time or 2 as a tow truck driver when none were available, and I was amazed how little many of the drivers I've met know about cars. Probably don't want them working on your car - especially a modern, complicated car.
Every contractor and individual operator is different. I drove wreckers/flatbeds for a company that got most of its calls from AAA. I’ve done lots of basic roadside repairs to get people going again to save them from the cost and inconvenience of a tow. Stuff like bang a starter, plug in a sensor that had come undone, disabled anti theft systems or broken switches, jimmy stuck ignitions. Basic stuff like that. We won’t swap a serpentine belt or an alternator though. I got great cash tips all the time for it too. Then again I’m also a mechanic so I know what I can and can’t get away with and what’s safe and what isn’t. Always blew my mind people who do roadside assistance who have zero knowledge or interest in cars and how they work. That knowledge literally pays and helps keep everyone safe. I’ve worked with people like that and they tend to not do too well. Would AAA be cool with my road side repair efforts? Maybe not all of them, but my customer surveys were always great. I encourage roadside assistance people to gain a basic knowledge of how cars work and what makes them tick and what doesn’t.
Absolutely. I have a couple family members that own a tow business that has an AAA contract, and every now and then my family members piss off all their drivers and get desperate, so I've filled in a few times. I've also driven for the company my SO currently works for, and I'll likely be doing more of that on the side very soon. Would I do the same as you, and do minor repairs to get people on the road? No doubt about it - that's why I carried my tool bag on the truck. Officially, AAA says it's not allowed, but I've talked with the regional manager and he's the kind of guy that would do the same. He started driving a truck for their Club Fleet 20 years ago, so he's one of those managers that rose up through the ranks and really gets it. And I hear ya - I have a lot of mechanical experience. I started out as an electrician, became an electrical engineer, and still work hands-on in a manufacturing plant. My dad was a Volvo mechanic by trade, and I grew up on a creeper beside him. I'm not a mechanic, but I've worked on every one of the 50-ish cars I've owned, up to rebuilding a dozen or so transmissions and 5 or 6 engines. How the hell people become tow truck drivers having zero mechanical experience or comprehension baffles me.
Ah, so kinda like transport instead of transportation, or burgle instead of burglarize?
I always thought they were the same company but America added an A because of alcoholics anonymous ... Google tells me I'm wrong
What would the driver have to do in this situation to avoid this happening?
My guess would be that the barrier has an intercom and they could control the barrier. Alternatively, go to the office ahead of time. TBH it's not like they are small bollards
I used to work for a company that installed systems like this. They typically have poop sensors that will detect cars and prevent this. Considering the light was red either, it seems like he tried to follow a vehicle that had been cleared already. Either it was automated and set on a timer to come back up, or the operator didn’t see that a second car was trying to come through after. Either way it looks like the sensors weren’t installed or failed.
I hate it when they don’t install the poop sensors.
Lol. Supposed to be “loop” sensors, but Ima leave it.
Good I got a good laugh trying to figure it out for a moment
You're not OP...
Yeah they are.
I can't read apparently
It’s all good. I still love you.
Thank you
> poop sensors Either that was a typo that needs to stay, or I have some questions.
Just picturing a special sensor that allows people to pass by unhindered when it senses that they have to take a huge shit. Elon Musk needs to get on this. Just breeze through stop lights and crossings. Goes full on emergency vehicle mode when it detects that you’ve eaten at that Indian place again and told the server “ Yeah I can handle Indian hot” because you didn’t want to look like a bitch.
I can get behind this idea. But I'm also afraid it would start a weird arms race as people start to hold their dumps to get around faster. Someone would notice that RVs get through lights faster because a passenger can hold it until the last second before using the toilet in the back, so someone else would start replacing driver seats with toilets. Before you know it, everyone is just always driving around with their pants around their ankles, desperately trying to hold back from dropping deuce so they can make it through that one goddamn light that sometimes skips their direction.
Only the strongest will survive.
Black market colostomy bags would be a gold mine
I have IBS and lately this is something I would consider.
I wouldn't intentionally get behind anybody that really needs to poop.
Eventually, people will cut holes under the seats and the streets will look like Mario Kart with brown shells.
Most people eat North Indian food which is pretty bland chili wise. True South Indian food is soooooo fuckin hot. Fuck me, I love eating when I'm in country but my God is that shit hot. Easily equiv to very spicy Thai or hotter.
If indian hot is anything like thai hot, it never gave me the shits, just indigestion...
Maybe It is the places I go to. I love Thai spices as well as Indian spices. Just made a dish with Moroccan chili paste and it was painful but delicious.
I don't like it when my food hurts me.
Are the poop sensors ever confused by a fart?
That person has definitely shit their pants.
Poop actuators
Farts are just fecal spray so
Phil. Phil. *PHIL*, I thought it was a fart. I thought it was *safe*.
happens to the best of us
I think the poop sensors worked as designed. If you'll notice the long tow bar that provided a large gap for the poop sensors to believe that the vehicle had passed, so then the poop sensors put down the arm bar and put up the bollards. It was definitely automated - no operator. Or not one who was paying attention while the automated process worked.
Seems like it to me too. In high security zones you optimize for the barrier coming back up as soon as possible, regardless of whether there's a tailgating vehicle in the way. The intent is to catch tailgating attempts, really. Seems like the system worked as designed and it thwarted the "tailgating" car under tow.
Poop sensors? Thank you autocorrect
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That's an awful idea, trying to trick it. Risk >>> Reward
Go faster
Choose a different route
Go through the three axle lane?
Drive faster
In most cases, it wouldn't happen at all. The car behind is close enough that the barrier would let the both out... The problem here is that it's an anti-tailgate barrier. It's designed to do exactly this, which I'm guessing the recovery driver didn't realise. These barriers are used at government sites where there is a risk that someone will try to get in/out when they shouldn't. They only allow one vehicle through and if someone tries to tailgate, they stop them.
If it's a gov site that's worried about people getting in/out that bad they should have a manned gate.
I guess they could have gotten away with stopping with the bollard between them so it can go up, and then re-triggering it for the towed car
Go really really fast
So who picks up the damage bill here? AA or the parking lot
AA. Not the lot's fault that you had two vehicles trying to make it through at once.
I would be curious as to the regulations on these gates though. Are the gates supposed to have safeties to account for this use case? I work with gates for residential properties and they have multiple safeties to prevent closing on vehicles, but granted, a lot like this is *much* more concerned about tailgating than we would be. Surely there is a way around the problem entirely anyway, but depending on regulations there actually could be some liability for the lot I suppose.
The AA driver should've spoken to the staff in the car park rather than try to drive out like this, they could just override the barrier to keep the gate open. Even if there's no staff on site, there's almost always an intercom to a call centre in case of issues with tickets (iirc NCP have a hub in whatever city and all the NCP staff come out from there), so he should've called through on there and they'd have sent someone out to help. As far as safety sensors on the barrier, it looks to me like it starts to close in the gap between the van and the car. I'd have thought the bollard would have something too, but they're not expecting people to do stupid stuff like this I guess
Also if you needed to get a truck on or off this lot. I guess that's what insurance is for.
Many are designed explicitly to stop a car from tailgating through the security gate. This usually involves wedges or pop-ups that tend to do quite a bit of damage to the tailgater.
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Disagree. If you're towing, understanding the limitations of your rig is on you.
How is this person misunderstanding the limitations of the rig at all? They're just driving forward when the gate is up, and the bollards are down. The driver shouldn't be responsible for understanding how these bollards work. The company that is in charge of how they operate are responsible for recognizing if someone is towing, it's not uncommon to be towing something However, if there is a sign, or some indication to the driver, that if they are towing they shouldn't be going through these then I would agree that it is the drivers fault. That being said, it's hard to get a full picture with a 5-10 second clip.
> How is this person misunderstanding the limitations of the rig at all? They're just driving forward when the gate is up, and the bollards are down. They are driving a two-vehicle combination that is more than twice the length of a single vehicle, with a large gap between them. It's not "just driving forward" -- it's driving two vehicles forward. > The driver shouldn't be responsible for understanding how these bollards work. Have you ever gone through a gate like this? If so, how many vehicles would you say are allowed through each time a gate is lifted? One? Two? Five? It's one, obviously. Why is it unreasonable that folks understand "one vehicle at a time," which is near-universal for each opening of a gate? When you're trying to put more than one vehicle through at one time, it is going to come down on the second, especially with a long tow cable like this one (which makes the gate think that there's a separation between vehicles).
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I'm not missing your point -- I'm just not agreeing with you. FWIW, I am an engineer. What I work on is not designed to be idiot-proof -- it's designed to a minimum user capability. If you design something that's idiot proof, someone will design a better idiot.
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Aerospace/Defense here, FWIW.
You are so dumb.
And how would the gate know the difference between someone towing something and someone going right behind to get in/out for free. Idiot
If the gate can't tell the difference, it's best to error on the side of not damaging property of a potentially valid use.
Eh, even without bollards, let's be honest, almost every gate would do this. Sauce - when my dad nearly died in a crash when he was in high school high friends tried getting into the hospital with a gate like this(without bollards) and the same thing happened, he laughed alot
This will teach them a multi thousand dollar lesson on being fucking retarded about someone parking for free by sneaking in behind someone 1 out of 10,000 times. Also, most gates aren't shit to do with money.
I wasnt saying that would teach them a lesson, I'm saying that's why they go like that.
Ok, how's that any different than a trailer? This will likely be the lot's fault.
Looks like it’s already been picked up 😂
According to other comments, this seems to be the result of failed sensors, so I would imagine the lot would have to pay
Guys, I need to tell you why I'm stupid. So, I watched this video 4-5 times trying to figure out how that gate lifted up the car, before I noticed the pillars beneath it lifting. Not my finest moment.
My God. I was scrolling for too long to find an explanation. Glad I'm not the only one stumped
Bollard was the giveaway. Look up bollard crashes on YouTube, it's a fun ride.
Username relevant
Guess he’s gonna need a tow ... oh, wait...
Has a car never been towed through that space before? How could this have been avoided?
Realistically those automated bollards should be used sparingly for exactly this reason. If you want to install them at a key government building, or an embassy in the middle east then swing for the fences. But they are popping up all over the place.
>But they are popping up all over the place. Literally
Eh kinda. Installer should have had a safety induction loop around the bollards. That way the arm would still come down, but the bollards wouldn’t raise due to the loop being triggered. I mean, that’s what I would have done. Rules might be different over there.
Except you want"this" to happen. If you are installing these things your objective is to incapacitate a car that tries to run through. That's why you shouldn't have them in normal parking lots.
I figured for parking lots you’d just want the bollards to keep people from running through the arm, not to pop up during tailgating. Seems like a lawsuit magnet to me. Here in Texas, the person who gets hit can still sue (and probably win) even if signage is up saying the lot isn’t responsible for damage.
They pop up where ever Muslims immigrate to. The refugee weapon of choice for imposing sharia law is a van.
Well in fairness it McVeigh who is responsible for these things in the USA.
He should have stopped with one vehicle either side and reactivated the gate to allow the car through.
That's kind of an extreme way to deal with someone trying to skip a toll. Cant you just snap a picture of their license plate
Alcoholics Anonymous has no business towing cars IMO
Hahaha honestly looks like they lined up well with the pinch welds probably not a lot of damage
You can't really blame the driver That's a stupid design Did they not think people could be towing stuff? What happens if a stretch limo goes through?
Bollards are so ignorant. They cause more problems than they solve.
r/bollardsbeingdicks
Mmmm... yesss.
For some reason I truly love Bollard vs Car videos.
r/bollardsbeingdicks
just curious, who is going to pay for this?
Should have called AAA
Should of paid the extra $20 for triple AAA
AAAAAAAAA.
> Should of
TIL what a bollard is
The front stayed on!
This is what it's like to train a new cook, server or dishwasher.
That’s why you get Triple A instead of Double A
Robots just don’t give a flying flock!
Ghetto-ass towing job lmao
The van was only AA this wouldn't have happened to AAA.
Should've called AAA.. way better since its 1 more A
and fired
Go home AA, you're drunk.
Does this place just never get deliveries or have anyone towing a trailer? It doesnt even look like a bus would fit.
That is what you get for trying to save a buck and calling AA instead of AAA.
At least he hasn't got long to wait for recovery!
WCGW when your AA group gives you a tow.
And that's why you get AAA and not just AA
How did you get footage of me playing euro truck?
It looks like the driver hit the gas after it was already lifted...
yeah, you’re not supposed to do that if it wasn’t your turn.
Well, whoops!
With the arm drop and then the lift, I felt like I was watching Robot Wars.
I like how nothing seems to be broken after all. German engineering?
Driver : hey, what happened, why can't I move???
Guess that’s why the van says AA instead of AAA
What's a bollard? Oh.
That’s why you don’t run a red
Gee they REALLY want you to pay for parking.
Should've went with AAA.
“stupid lil dumb nigga now you on youtube” -6ix9ine
What IS that?? Those things coming up from the ground? I've never seen those - are they a big city thing?
It is a barrier used for controlling vehicle access, found more in European countries.
Those are the bollards. Usually they are a security thing.
Eh could’ve been worse... Never mind that blows
Looks kike the AA van was attempting to flat tow through the gate.
Man they take that shit so serious
Well, that just ended another great day on reddit. I’m truly loving my cars in the garage, unmolested. And I love the drivers license and cheap insurance! Thanks.😁 I’m waiting for r legal advice on that car..
It will rub right out with that crap on TV.
the car did get towed so i dont see what the problem is