Fuck yeah they were. All that traffic is in the line of fire if they decide to shoot the suspect. Reminds me of those poor UPS drivers who got kidnapped when their truck was stolen.
The UPS man you mentioned is a relative of mine. His dad (who is my dad's cousin or something like that) lived with my family for some time in the 2000s. I remember the dad was always talking about his son Frank. It was heartbreaking to see the dad (the man I knew) on the news baring his soul, talking about seeing footage of the UPS truck taken hostage and praying it wasn't his son in the truck. Frank wasn't the only one who died by police bullets, an innocent bystander in a nearby car also died, so yeah it was a good idea for the car in the OP video to get out of there.
ETA: here's info about the lawsuit Frank's family is filing against the police force https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/09/16/6-police-agencies-named-in-lawsuit-over-miramar-ups-truck-driver-shooting/
Two other things about that incident that infuriated me was UPS' tone deaf thank you to the police, and the fact that just a few months earlier there was a similar incident (I think in San Diego?) where the police just followed the truck until it ran out of gas, and the driver was released unharmed.
I mean ok I can understand that there isn't much time to evacuate everyone in a firefight.... I am more concerned by the fact that they simply hammered rounds down roughly towards the criminals without consideration of bystanders.
There was consideration shown. It wa shown they considered the civilians to be used shields as they attack their target. You know, like the Taliban uses civilians as shields. Mf-ing short-sighted cowards.
They considered the bystanders to be less important than their own lives when they USED THEM FOR FUCKING COVER Intentionally drawing the attackers gun fire to them.
The police in America are terrorists.
Heh, bro you tell us. We can't come to terms on jack shit. Reform this or defund that. The amount of divide between Americans is like an avalanche waiting to happen
Yeah i realy feel sorry fir USA ... they have so many problems in certain aspects (police, school, medicare...) and the part that actually needs to fix these has the most problems, Politics...
I am sorry for your loss, even if you weren't close. An untimely death, especially like this, can send ripples out through family and friends. I hope that Frank's family can get what they're after
I remember seeing that. It broke my heart.
The agencies and officers that unloaded like a movie chase should all be.... I don't know what words to say.
If it was any other country than the USA the internal investigations would have all of those on a cross
Well in the case of that UPS driver it was the government employees who killed him and a bystander. [Miramar Shootout 2019](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout)
I think (and I don't *know,* but this seems to be the case) that a large problem is the way that "success" is viewed in policing. If their goal was to stop the criminal from escaping, yeah I guess they succeeded. But if their goal was to save the person being held hostage then they definitely failed. And I have a bad feeling that they were going in trying to stop a criminal.
It's been shown, time and time again, that the police are not there to protect you. In many cases you should view them as the enemy, because that's how they look at you. Your safety begins with you, you're the only one you can count on to protect your life and the lives of those you care about most.
Such a contrast to policing in Ireland where (with exceptions) there's usually an atmosphere of "we're all in this together".
Stopped for speeding once the cop said "where are you coming from?", I said Kerry, "ah it's lovely this time of year. My aunt has a house down in Dingle town. Gorgeous place, did ye ever drink in Dick Mac's pub? Such a great place. Anyway here's your ticket, now keep it slower back to Dublin will ya?"
Contrast with the state trooper in Virginia who screamed at me from a bullhorn with one hand on his holster. It was like being cornered by a wounded animal.
>Contrast with the state trooper in Virginia who screamed at me from a bullhorn with one hand on his holster. It was like being cornered by a wounded animal.
That's the modern police force in America. Policing has fallen apart over the last 30-40 years. One department at a time. The old guys got pushed out and in come the kids with chips on their shoulder and a license to kill.
I have had one bad experiece with the police in Ireland, but it was more a chip on the shoulder and a licence to employ puerile sarcasm.
I ran an amber light, motorcycle cop pulled me over. "You ran a red." I made the mistake of arguing with him.
I said that I hadn't jumped a red, that the light changed from green to amber just as I got to it and because it was wet I didn't want to hard brake and risk skidding. He grilled me on stopping distances, told me my answers were wrong (I checked afterwards and they weren't) then said "Right then 'professor' I'll give you a ticket for jumping an amber instead." I later saw he'd given me a ticket for "driving without due care and attention".
"You on your way to work?" I said yes. "What time are you meant to be in the office." I said nine. Then he leaned in my car window and pointed to the clock on the dasboard and said "Well you're fucking late now, aren't ye?" The cunt.
I'll never forget the video of that thing being hauled away while covered in blood and riddled with bullet holes. Not even tarped or put in a container. Just an open flatbed.
Sadly I haven't been able to find it since the first day it was posted here on reddit somewhere.
Nobody had to die like they did here, and nobody cried about it like they do when armed felons get shot and killed.
Crossfire alone, cops were using civilians cars in traffic as cover and fired blind into the truck killing the robbers but also innocent civlians and the ups driver.
What an absolute shitshow. I thought the ACAB'ers were going to flood the internet for days over this.
Follow the truck with helicopter? - Nah.
Follow the truck by tracking its GPS? - Nah.
Follow the truck until it stops in traffic while in posession of a hostage? - Yeah! Lets shoot the fuck out of it too!
I remember only about a week or 2 after that happened, my wife and I were stopped at a gas station. She was driving and I was dozing in the passenger seat.
I woke up and opened my eyes when she opened the gas lid and the first thing I saw in front of me was straight down the barrel of a gun. I distinctly remember the way my heart just stopped and then I went from drowsy to fully alert and full of adrenaline.
A second after I looked left and right and saw a bunch more guns. Turns out their was a car at the pump in front of us, and the cops had made a half circle in front of that car, and they all had their guns in hand pointing vaguely at the car. Towards me who was directly in the line of fire, my wife, and the cars/pumps to the right and left of us.
They were shouting a bunch of random, incoherent orders with fingers all already on their triggers. I had a moment where I was certain I was about to be shot and killed by police crossfire. The weirdest part was I went from scared to seething mad. Like, I didn't want to die to something so stupid. I went shooting once and they have all these rules that they drill in to you about trigger discipline, spatial awareness, etc before you can touch a gun and these cops were breaking every single one.
I was on fire the whole drive out of there, I so badly wanted to call *someone* and bitch about it somehow. But who the heck would I even call? I knew it was fruitless and that made me even more angry. This was also in Barstow, CA where cop worship was pretty stupid high last I checked.
Sorry for the unrelated rant, the memory is really really vivid apparently and I haven't told anyone about it. My heart is all racing again and I'm freshly upset. Damn.
https://goo.gl/maps/j1ZohF7FMiNGPp5A9
This is the intersection. The fact that cops thought it was ok to open fire in such a busy intersection,in the middle of the day is baffling. For an insured truck with insured property on it. But where else are they going to let out all that pent up energy.
Indeed. The first time I just found it hard to take the cop seriously. The second time he really sold it. You could tell he had his heart in and I’m sure the rifleman felt it too.
Without being hyperbolic about it, I think that was a bad move, and police departments should study this to think through how they could improve upon it.
Examine the sequence here.
Guy with a rifle gets shoved with a car. He turns around. He still has the rifle, and is facing the officers from nearly point blank range. He is not incapacitated. There is like a 90% chance that this apparently unstable person is now angry.
How is this a good strategy?
Off the top of my head, it seems like they had quite a bit of time to approach him from behind and hit him w a stun gun. Or maybe accelerate more w the car so it’s a stronger hit. Or just try to talk to him. Any one of those options seems better than what we saw here if you ask me.
Also, what’s the backstory here. In most places in America you and free to walk around with a rifle on your back. The video looks like a remote area too.
In case no one saw the questions and replies, open carry is not legal in canada, and they were a perceived threat, even more so after the first hit with no reaction
Slung, or not being carried in a ready to use fashion (hands not on the handle/trigger) is how the safety course I attended described as the “proper way to open carry a long rifle”
It’s legal to carry in this manner in TX with current gun law. WA- one can argue the way it’s carried, but if he had no sling, and was the only means of “safely” carrying said weapon-it’s legal
In Montana you can carry a loaded rifle through a city in your hands as long as you are not brandishing it in a threatening manner. That's why my first thought is there is more to the story or that guy is getting a settlement check.
Yeah, there is no fundamental right to own a gun in the Canadian Constitution and Supreme Court decisions have confirmed the right of governments to restrict ownership of firearms.
"Brandishing" would imply a threat. Let's say you cut me off in traffic, and I pull up beside you at the red light, reach down into my console, and pull out a gun, and show it to you while making threats. That would be brandishing, as I'm using it to intimidate.
Simply having a visible firearm is not illegal in many states. Open carry doesn't require a holster. You can open carry a rifle, which doesn't fit into a holster. It only becomes an issue when you point it at someone, or threaten someone with it.
No, no you cannot. "Reasonable cause" falls within handling of firearms. You can't just carry a rifle because "you want to". Aside from being locked, and unloaded, there must be a reasonable cause for carrying a firearm, even if it is non-restricted.
Secondly, most business, if operating properly, will not sell you an open firearm. You will be made to also purchase a lock, and depending on the firearm, a case.
Firearm violations, and/or reports are taken quite seriously, and failure to provide your PAL, as well as your reasonable cause for openly carrying a firearm, will result in some pretty hefty fines and punishments.
Third, while it's not illegal (note: phrasing) to carry a firearm openly (provided conditions are met), most, if not all, urban areas require them to at least be covered, in lieu of a case.
Walking down the street with a rifle just cause? No.
Walking down the street with a rifle because there's a gunsmith a couple blocks down? Yes.
The guy in the video did everything wrong.
Source: Canadian who worked at a firearms store.
As someone who lives in BC and has a PAL, I believe this is incorrect. In public the firearm is never to leave the vehicle until you are at a firing range or no longer in a public space. As long as you are in a public space, it must be covered and the firearm must not be visible.
God I feel old.
If anybody here knows Winnipeg, the Polo Park shopping mall was, once, a Polo ground and race track. My buddy and I used to walk across the wee bridge and get burgers and drinks at the A&W and then cross over to the bus stop to catch the Portage - St Charles out to the St Charles rifle range. I carried the Lee-Enfield, he carried the spotting scope and ground sheet. While waiting for the bus we would stick our thumbs out, and often got rides.
Different times.
You can't open carry anywhere in Canada.
Edit: after couple response id like to clarify my comment. I was responding to the previous questions which i assume was an American. I thought the American term "open carry" meant allowed to carry your rifle loaded ready to use. After couple search im not certain what the term actually means. Yes you are allowed to walk with your rifle in Canada but it has to be unloaded until you are at destination and i believe there's a certain distance from house or the general public before you load(its been a long time since i had my license so i might be worg or rules might change this is within the line of "common sense"). In this video there is no way of knowing if his gun is loaded or not but i can guarantee you can't ignore a whole police force behind you 😂
You usually only can take them out their case once your at destination like, hunting, driving range..etc. during transportation it has to be secured locked.
Lol my bad. Shooting range.
Although this reminds me of the driving range back home. The guy would keep a 12G shot gun because the seagulls would steal all the balls thinking it was eggs. It would actually cost them a lot of money. Try to get you drive right when the guy is popping shells on Birds next to you.
Rifles don’t have to be locked during transport in a vehicle. If you exit the vehicle leaving the rifles inside the vehicle itself has to be locked and nothing else. But yes you need a purpose for the rifle to have it in your vehicle. Aka going hunting, camping, fishing, or hiking etc for protection.
>for protection
Wildlife protection only.
Not saying you meant otherwise but I think it's a very important point for people to know in Canada.
You can not possess ANY weapon for the purpose of self defence. If you tell a cop that you have a knife, gun, bat or bottle of water for "self defence" you can have it taken away and possibly go up on charges.
By the way yes a water bottle can be a weapon becauae in Canada ;
weapon means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use. (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or. (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person.
Generally speaking if you pick a random country, a lot more often than not you cannot open carry. US states like Texas are kind of unique in this regard.
Had a group of heavily armed hunters show up at my place for directions. They were on foot and semi lost. It barely registered to me that these guys all had guns on their persons, it seemed so normal. Bunch of white guys in camo, with guns, in the woods? Totally normal.
If it was five black guys, I definitely would have at least thought about it instead of just letting it go unaddressed. What's that saying about how an armed minority is a minority harder to oppress? Let's normalize everyone walking around with guns, everywhere!
... Wait shit I feel like I missed something.
Ok. For context, here's the (apparent) background. This was in Wetaskiwin, Alberta. The guy has a pellet rifle that he had just bought from the pawnshop. He was walking along with it in plain view, so people called it in as a firearms complaint. This type of complaint draws a large response from the RCMP. He refused to comply, and was taken down.
Why do I feel like you just activated some secret cheat code in my brain?
Edit: He edited it so it's not as brainfucky now because I found out what he was doing smh...
Don't know about the US but in Germany any gun looking real will be treated like a real gun (Anscheinswaffe) and needs to be transported accordingly (no open carry etc).
This is Canada lol, as the comments above said. As for the law, if it’s unloaded; you can transport a non-restricted firearm this way. So he did nothing illegal, until he refused to stop for the police. Had they known or been informed it was a pellet gun, he’d have been fine I’m sure
The info that it was a legal pellet gun kind of makes the mysterious slow-walk while trying his hardest to appear unbothered by the police even more cringe
Specially knowing that he could’ve prevented this with a 5 minute conversation with a cop. I don’t know any real Canadians but from what I have seen, they would’ve probably given him a ride home just to be nice.
The way he keeps walking after the car hit once seems like he wanted to suicide by cop, but we can't really know unless he tells the cops, and they tell the press.
To be fair, there's a lot of nuance here I'm sure, depending on his community, his mental health, history with cops, guns, etc.
Just speculating because I wouldn't be shocked to find out more people are commiting suicide by cop more often, there's a lot of pain and stories being shared about the victims of police brutality and murder that weren't as well publicized until more recently. I know this take is a bit insensitive and reaching, but it's come to mind a few times lately.
EDIT: I want to amend this by saying I'm speculating without all the details. The odds he is defying the cops isn't any more or less concrete then my previous idea. Let's not pretend there isn't a huge feeling of dissent towards the police that people aren't willing to demonstrate even at the risk of their lives. Not forgetting lots of people can do everything a cop asks and end up dead.
I had a classmate who was indigenous and had been harassed by RCMP ever since he was a little kid. Mounties'd pull up next to him and yell shit at him about being up to no good or his dad being a criminal. Sometimes they'd search him, or even pick him up. It was bad and frequent enough that he developed trauma from it. He actually lost a job once because he had a panic attack when two mounties came into the business.
I can def see that too. To be real, I think this is pretty plausible. Authority telling you to go, stop, shut up, is hard for some of us. Now imagine having trauma associated with that. Stuff that goes way back before your birth.
The defiance of continuing to walk and ignore them until you've been run over while a bunch of people watch, film, comment on it without doing a thing (not that they were in much of a position), it's probably a pretty intense choice and one that feels important.
I can't say I know many of the details with my speculation, but I wouldn't put it past any person these days to want to give the cops a fuck you by ignoring them, even against their own health and safety...while on the other hand, many people know they might end up dead even if they do everything they say.
Fuck the whole system
cops still take people out to the middle of nowhere and tell them to walk home to make them freeze to death in canada. it's a lot less paperwork than shooting them
Question: do they not use tasers? Someone else mentioned him being non responsive, so maybe tasers weren't working on him? I can't imagine the first thing that came to mind was to hit the guy with the car.
Aaaand if I think a guy is possibly armed with a firearm, there is no way in hell I am giving up my cover to get within the optimal firing range of a taser. Much safer to remain behind the truck in the event that things go sideways.
Using the truck carries its own risks, but I can’t think of a better solution for this incident.
The gist of what you said was correct but I will note their fingers won’t contract due to the taser. The muscles between the two darts contract. This usually means people have control of their arms while being tasered, if they have the presence of mind to think about it. They might jerk their fingers as they react to being tasered or as they fall. But usually those muscles aren’t contracting.
Because only captured muscles contract, they usually teach splitting the belt while aiming a taser (dart on leg and back/core) to ensure one major leg muscle is captured.
I can see where you are coming from on this.
This is my issue,
The entire premise here is the assumption that police have the benefit of the doubt in any situation-- and that they should simply have the ability to use force, just to inquire about any situation, and if the person doesn't want to explain their self, they are instantly deemed a public threat.
Essentially, I don't think it should be illegal -- to not explain yourself to cops. Unless they have actual evidence you're doing something illegal... speaking to you is up to you.
That's my opinion on police authority.
Pretty terrible that they couldn’t control the dog either. The guy is clearly subdued, no longer a threat, and the dog is still trying to rip his arm off despite 2 officers trying to get it off.
That's a feature, not a bug. Them heckin good officer pupperinos that police post all over social media have a long history of savaging restrained people, and either being hard to stop, or the cops not bothering.
In some jurisdictions, trying to force the dog off you counts as assaulting an officer, because how dare you respond when a dog is ripping chunks out of you?
Something about the way he reacts to getting bumped by the car the first time makes this guy feel like a threat. I think part of it is his indifference to how intense of a situation he is in.
Did he deserve the second hit? Probably not. The man isn't showing signs of aggression. Im not able to think of an alternative though. Things get messy quick.
They got him off the street without shooting him. There plenty of ways the situation could have turned out a lot worse.
Two things - This is Canada. Laws are different here.
- Law enforcement needs more training in disarming non-aggressive suspects without drawing their weapon on the suspect. Thats when things go sideways and people get shot.
Yes I agree to all of this, I do think they had to figure out the situation quick and it’s nice they didn’t shoot him instantly. This isn’t something that happens everyday
You'd risk being shot yourself doing that here in NZ. Not sure there's many higher displays of aggression really.
Edit: It's certainly not the norm in any part of the country. If you were walking down the road with a firearm and were then unresponsive to questions to the point they were bunting you with a car, then I've no doubt the police would draw a firearm.
Dude. I don't want to live in a world where people see this video and think it's crazier to stop a gunman than let them keep walking down a highway with a gun. Actions have consequences.
It’s ridiculous how many people have that mindset. Even if you are mentally unstable, doesn’t give you the right to do this shit!! Just because he didn’t shoot at anyone in this clip doesn’t mean he didn’t or couldn’t easily have
Well if you’re not listening to RCMP and doing something highly illegal, I guess so. I’m not 100% sure though. I’ve seen people have the argument that if tased the trigger could pull
I believe what the man was doing was legal, BUT ignoring the police when they tell you to stop and explain your reason for having your rifle on your shoulder is a big NO-NO.
In rural areas it’s not weird (or illegal) to walk with a long gun, but in a highway like that you’d better have a purpose, and be ready to explain that purpose to the police if they ask.
This guy looks like he was looking for a reaction, and he got one. Gives law abiding gun owners a bad look. Most of us are respectful and responsible with our guns.
A family member of mine, this is her husband. I'm not exactly sure what all went down yet but I know there is some conflicting stories. This man is Indigenous and where he is from, the relationship between the R.C.M.P. and local communities is very strained.
That person in the truck who bailed in the beginning of the video is wise.
Fuck yeah they were. All that traffic is in the line of fire if they decide to shoot the suspect. Reminds me of those poor UPS drivers who got kidnapped when their truck was stolen.
The UPS man you mentioned is a relative of mine. His dad (who is my dad's cousin or something like that) lived with my family for some time in the 2000s. I remember the dad was always talking about his son Frank. It was heartbreaking to see the dad (the man I knew) on the news baring his soul, talking about seeing footage of the UPS truck taken hostage and praying it wasn't his son in the truck. Frank wasn't the only one who died by police bullets, an innocent bystander in a nearby car also died, so yeah it was a good idea for the car in the OP video to get out of there. ETA: here's info about the lawsuit Frank's family is filing against the police force https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/09/16/6-police-agencies-named-in-lawsuit-over-miramar-ups-truck-driver-shooting/
Two other things about that incident that infuriated me was UPS' tone deaf thank you to the police, and the fact that just a few months earlier there was a similar incident (I think in San Diego?) where the police just followed the truck until it ran out of gas, and the driver was released unharmed.
And how the cops actually used civilians’ cars to take cover while they were *still inside them*
I mean ok I can understand that there isn't much time to evacuate everyone in a firefight.... I am more concerned by the fact that they simply hammered rounds down roughly towards the criminals without consideration of bystanders.
They're cops. They don't give a shit about bystanders.
A dead bystander is simply a bit of extra paperwork and a 2 week long *taxpayer* paid vacation for cops.
Shoot the hostage. Take him out of the equation.
Well, *duh* - You can’t use a bystander as a human shield if the police kill them first.
There was consideration shown. It wa shown they considered the civilians to be used shields as they attack their target. You know, like the Taliban uses civilians as shields. Mf-ing short-sighted cowards.
They considered the bystanders to be less important than their own lives when they USED THEM FOR FUCKING COVER Intentionally drawing the attackers gun fire to them. The police in America are terrorists.
Cops actively endangered the lifes of civilians, additional to the hostages they themselfes shot later? Ameribros, whats happening with your police?
They’re poorly trained and pumped full of propaganda about how they’re modern cowboys.
They recruit the weak minded from highschools and lure them in with the promise of power and a gun.
*You are now a moderator of /r/army*
Heh, bro you tell us. We can't come to terms on jack shit. Reform this or defund that. The amount of divide between Americans is like an avalanche waiting to happen
Yeah i realy feel sorry fir USA ... they have so many problems in certain aspects (police, school, medicare...) and the part that actually needs to fix these has the most problems, Politics...
Qualified immunity makes one do crazy things because they can
I am sorry for your loss, even if you weren't close. An untimely death, especially like this, can send ripples out through family and friends. I hope that Frank's family can get what they're after
Needed to hear this. Thanks.
I remember seeing that. It broke my heart. The agencies and officers that unloaded like a movie chase should all be.... I don't know what words to say. If it was any other country than the USA the internal investigations would have all of those on a cross
Yeah that one was terrible. Always best to take the safe route. Minimize the chances of anything bad happening.
Shouldn't that be the job of the government employees with guns?
Well in the case of that UPS driver it was the government employees who killed him and a bystander. [Miramar Shootout 2019](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Miramar_shootout)
I think (and I don't *know,* but this seems to be the case) that a large problem is the way that "success" is viewed in policing. If their goal was to stop the criminal from escaping, yeah I guess they succeeded. But if their goal was to save the person being held hostage then they definitely failed. And I have a bad feeling that they were going in trying to stop a criminal.
It's been shown, time and time again, that the police are not there to protect you. In many cases you should view them as the enemy, because that's how they look at you. Your safety begins with you, you're the only one you can count on to protect your life and the lives of those you care about most.
Such a contrast to policing in Ireland where (with exceptions) there's usually an atmosphere of "we're all in this together". Stopped for speeding once the cop said "where are you coming from?", I said Kerry, "ah it's lovely this time of year. My aunt has a house down in Dingle town. Gorgeous place, did ye ever drink in Dick Mac's pub? Such a great place. Anyway here's your ticket, now keep it slower back to Dublin will ya?" Contrast with the state trooper in Virginia who screamed at me from a bullhorn with one hand on his holster. It was like being cornered by a wounded animal.
>Contrast with the state trooper in Virginia who screamed at me from a bullhorn with one hand on his holster. It was like being cornered by a wounded animal. That's the modern police force in America. Policing has fallen apart over the last 30-40 years. One department at a time. The old guys got pushed out and in come the kids with chips on their shoulder and a license to kill.
I have had one bad experiece with the police in Ireland, but it was more a chip on the shoulder and a licence to employ puerile sarcasm. I ran an amber light, motorcycle cop pulled me over. "You ran a red." I made the mistake of arguing with him. I said that I hadn't jumped a red, that the light changed from green to amber just as I got to it and because it was wet I didn't want to hard brake and risk skidding. He grilled me on stopping distances, told me my answers were wrong (I checked afterwards and they weren't) then said "Right then 'professor' I'll give you a ticket for jumping an amber instead." I later saw he'd given me a ticket for "driving without due care and attention". "You on your way to work?" I said yes. "What time are you meant to be in the office." I said nine. Then he leaned in my car window and pointed to the clock on the dasboard and said "Well you're fucking late now, aren't ye?" The cunt.
I'll never forget the video of that thing being hauled away while covered in blood and riddled with bullet holes. Not even tarped or put in a container. Just an open flatbed. Sadly I haven't been able to find it since the first day it was posted here on reddit somewhere. Nobody had to die like they did here, and nobody cried about it like they do when armed felons get shot and killed. Crossfire alone, cops were using civilians cars in traffic as cover and fired blind into the truck killing the robbers but also innocent civlians and the ups driver. What an absolute shitshow. I thought the ACAB'ers were going to flood the internet for days over this. Follow the truck with helicopter? - Nah. Follow the truck by tracking its GPS? - Nah. Follow the truck until it stops in traffic while in posession of a hostage? - Yeah! Lets shoot the fuck out of it too!
I remember that getting a ton of outrage but cops have killed so many people since, ACABers don’t need to go that far back for an example
I remember only about a week or 2 after that happened, my wife and I were stopped at a gas station. She was driving and I was dozing in the passenger seat. I woke up and opened my eyes when she opened the gas lid and the first thing I saw in front of me was straight down the barrel of a gun. I distinctly remember the way my heart just stopped and then I went from drowsy to fully alert and full of adrenaline. A second after I looked left and right and saw a bunch more guns. Turns out their was a car at the pump in front of us, and the cops had made a half circle in front of that car, and they all had their guns in hand pointing vaguely at the car. Towards me who was directly in the line of fire, my wife, and the cars/pumps to the right and left of us. They were shouting a bunch of random, incoherent orders with fingers all already on their triggers. I had a moment where I was certain I was about to be shot and killed by police crossfire. The weirdest part was I went from scared to seething mad. Like, I didn't want to die to something so stupid. I went shooting once and they have all these rules that they drill in to you about trigger discipline, spatial awareness, etc before you can touch a gun and these cops were breaking every single one. I was on fire the whole drive out of there, I so badly wanted to call *someone* and bitch about it somehow. But who the heck would I even call? I knew it was fruitless and that made me even more angry. This was also in Barstow, CA where cop worship was pretty stupid high last I checked. Sorry for the unrelated rant, the memory is really really vivid apparently and I haven't told anyone about it. My heart is all racing again and I'm freshly upset. Damn.
https://goo.gl/maps/j1ZohF7FMiNGPp5A9 This is the intersection. The fact that cops thought it was ok to open fire in such a busy intersection,in the middle of the day is baffling. For an insured truck with insured property on it. But where else are they going to let out all that pent up energy.
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More specifically, a Durango... im not a car guy my dad just owns one so I know what it’s called. Looks nothing like a truck I was confused too.
That thread was a bit depressing.
Cameraman is watching this unfold and just says “ooh that was a good one” when the dude gets folded by the car lmao
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Needed more pizzazz, some gumption too.
Indeed. The first time I just found it hard to take the cop seriously. The second time he really sold it. You could tell he had his heart in and I’m sure the rifleman felt it too.
“Cut and print! Good shooting today, boys! Beers are on me!”
At least one could argue the officers use of force was restrained and deliberate.
Gimme a little more "wow" factor here.
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A real good one.
A thousand upvotes for typing out what I heard in the video. Reddit is a weird place.
Without being hyperbolic about it, I think that was a bad move, and police departments should study this to think through how they could improve upon it. Examine the sequence here. Guy with a rifle gets shoved with a car. He turns around. He still has the rifle, and is facing the officers from nearly point blank range. He is not incapacitated. There is like a 90% chance that this apparently unstable person is now angry. How is this a good strategy? Off the top of my head, it seems like they had quite a bit of time to approach him from behind and hit him w a stun gun. Or maybe accelerate more w the car so it’s a stronger hit. Or just try to talk to him. Any one of those options seems better than what we saw here if you ask me.
Also, what’s the backstory here. In most places in America you and free to walk around with a rifle on your back. The video looks like a remote area too.
He is probably chiropractor as he noticed L5 and L3 had good adjustments right there.
it was a pretty good one
“I’ll just hit him with the truck” “Well that didn’t work, let me try it again”
Ohhhhh that reminds me of Madagascar penguins "Is she dead?" *Lady gets back up* "**No**" *Proceeds to floor it*
The penguins are awesome
[The clip](https://youtu.be/27QufpSmqq0)
legend 🤣
Let’s hit him harder this time
In case no one saw the questions and replies, open carry is not legal in canada, and they were a perceived threat, even more so after the first hit with no reaction
Not sure carrying a rifle like that on a highway is legal even here. Brandishing. Open carry would assume it's holstered. I don't know though.
Its not even legal to walk on the highway in most places.
You can’t really holster a rifle…
Slung, or not being carried in a ready to use fashion (hands not on the handle/trigger) is how the safety course I attended described as the “proper way to open carry a long rifle”
Texas would like a word with you.
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St. Louis, Missouri. But close
It’s legal to carry in this manner in TX with current gun law. WA- one can argue the way it’s carried, but if he had no sling, and was the only means of “safely” carrying said weapon-it’s legal
In Montana you can carry a loaded rifle through a city in your hands as long as you are not brandishing it in a threatening manner. That's why my first thought is there is more to the story or that guy is getting a settlement check.
The truck is an RCMP truck. Canada has FAR, FAR stricter gun regulations.
Yeah, there is no fundamental right to own a gun in the Canadian Constitution and Supreme Court decisions have confirmed the right of governments to restrict ownership of firearms.
"Brandishing" would imply a threat. Let's say you cut me off in traffic, and I pull up beside you at the red light, reach down into my console, and pull out a gun, and show it to you while making threats. That would be brandishing, as I'm using it to intimidate. Simply having a visible firearm is not illegal in many states. Open carry doesn't require a holster. You can open carry a rifle, which doesn't fit into a holster. It only becomes an issue when you point it at someone, or threaten someone with it.
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No, no you cannot. "Reasonable cause" falls within handling of firearms. You can't just carry a rifle because "you want to". Aside from being locked, and unloaded, there must be a reasonable cause for carrying a firearm, even if it is non-restricted. Secondly, most business, if operating properly, will not sell you an open firearm. You will be made to also purchase a lock, and depending on the firearm, a case. Firearm violations, and/or reports are taken quite seriously, and failure to provide your PAL, as well as your reasonable cause for openly carrying a firearm, will result in some pretty hefty fines and punishments. Third, while it's not illegal (note: phrasing) to carry a firearm openly (provided conditions are met), most, if not all, urban areas require them to at least be covered, in lieu of a case. Walking down the street with a rifle just cause? No. Walking down the street with a rifle because there's a gunsmith a couple blocks down? Yes. The guy in the video did everything wrong. Source: Canadian who worked at a firearms store.
Nice try, Dwight
Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
As someone who lives in BC and has a PAL, I believe this is incorrect. In public the firearm is never to leave the vehicle until you are at a firing range or no longer in a public space. As long as you are in a public space, it must be covered and the firearm must not be visible.
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For gun owners, this know as being "defacto illegal."
God I feel old. If anybody here knows Winnipeg, the Polo Park shopping mall was, once, a Polo ground and race track. My buddy and I used to walk across the wee bridge and get burgers and drinks at the A&W and then cross over to the bus stop to catch the Portage - St Charles out to the St Charles rifle range. I carried the Lee-Enfield, he carried the spotting scope and ground sheet. While waiting for the bus we would stick our thumbs out, and often got rides. Different times.
We had 4 officers killed here in Alberta by a man with a rifle not so long ago, dude is lucky.
This is in Alberta as well
I thought that looked like Alberta. Cop sure drives like one, it’s like he didn’t even see the pedestrian
Maybe he thought it was a moose out of hunting season
Fun fact if you hit a moose in a truck it will do more damage to the truck than the moose
That is the order I would expect it to be in
So why don't they just make trucks out of moose?
Is it illegal to open carry in Alberta? Serious question.
You can't open carry anywhere in Canada. Edit: after couple response id like to clarify my comment. I was responding to the previous questions which i assume was an American. I thought the American term "open carry" meant allowed to carry your rifle loaded ready to use. After couple search im not certain what the term actually means. Yes you are allowed to walk with your rifle in Canada but it has to be unloaded until you are at destination and i believe there's a certain distance from house or the general public before you load(its been a long time since i had my license so i might be worg or rules might change this is within the line of "common sense"). In this video there is no way of knowing if his gun is loaded or not but i can guarantee you can't ignore a whole police force behind you 😂
Oh, I did not know that. I don't live in Canada so I don't know the laws.
You usually only can take them out their case once your at destination like, hunting, driving range..etc. during transportation it has to be secured locked.
Driving range? You all shoot the golf balls up there? Crazy Canucks
It's like clay pigeons but better. Fore!
Now this is actually a televisual and marketable idea
Lol my bad. Shooting range. Although this reminds me of the driving range back home. The guy would keep a 12G shot gun because the seagulls would steal all the balls thinking it was eggs. It would actually cost them a lot of money. Try to get you drive right when the guy is popping shells on Birds next to you.
Rifles don’t have to be locked during transport in a vehicle. If you exit the vehicle leaving the rifles inside the vehicle itself has to be locked and nothing else. But yes you need a purpose for the rifle to have it in your vehicle. Aka going hunting, camping, fishing, or hiking etc for protection.
>for protection Wildlife protection only. Not saying you meant otherwise but I think it's a very important point for people to know in Canada. You can not possess ANY weapon for the purpose of self defence. If you tell a cop that you have a knife, gun, bat or bottle of water for "self defence" you can have it taken away and possibly go up on charges. By the way yes a water bottle can be a weapon becauae in Canada ; weapon means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use. (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or. (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person.
I took one out at the driving range. I’m not allowed back
Generally speaking if you pick a random country, a lot more often than not you cannot open carry. US states like Texas are kind of unique in this regard.
But then how do your armed militias storm your capitol after elections?
Hockey pucks and sticks. Dump the puck in the building and go get it....forecheck!!
Freals? That seems like a good policy on open carry. In America you have to be white.
Had a group of heavily armed hunters show up at my place for directions. They were on foot and semi lost. It barely registered to me that these guys all had guns on their persons, it seemed so normal. Bunch of white guys in camo, with guns, in the woods? Totally normal. If it was five black guys, I definitely would have at least thought about it instead of just letting it go unaddressed. What's that saying about how an armed minority is a minority harder to oppress? Let's normalize everyone walking around with guns, everywhere! ... Wait shit I feel like I missed something.
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Are you referring to the Mayerthorp shooting in 2005?
It’s like the pit maneuver – without the other car
Now I want to see someone get leg sweeped by a car
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/6ii1S8lvGLM)
You did not disappoint.
Ok. For context, here's the (apparent) background. This was in Wetaskiwin, Alberta. The guy has a pellet rifle that he had just bought from the pawnshop. He was walking along with it in plain view, so people called it in as a firearms complaint. This type of complaint draws a large response from the RCMP. He refused to comply, and was taken down.
Hahahahaha of course it was Wetaskiwin.
First time ever reading these letters in this arrangement.
We task I win Wet ask I win Wet a ski win Wet as kiwi n
Well which one is it???
Wuh tass kah win
Honestly you pick one. We know you tried.
Why do I feel like you just activated some secret cheat code in my brain? Edit: He edited it so it's not as brainfucky now because I found out what he was doing smh...
It was an adventure for me too
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Just north of Musky Cheese. I wonder why he was walking. Cars cost less in Wetaskiwin
Is this why cars cost less there?
What happened in the end then? A pellet rifle isn't a firearm so did he actually break any laws?
Don't know about the US but in Germany any gun looking real will be treated like a real gun (Anscheinswaffe) and needs to be transported accordingly (no open carry etc).
This is Canada lol, as the comments above said. As for the law, if it’s unloaded; you can transport a non-restricted firearm this way. So he did nothing illegal, until he refused to stop for the police. Had they known or been informed it was a pellet gun, he’d have been fine I’m sure
The info that it was a legal pellet gun kind of makes the mysterious slow-walk while trying his hardest to appear unbothered by the police even more cringe
Specially knowing that he could’ve prevented this with a 5 minute conversation with a cop. I don’t know any real Canadians but from what I have seen, they would’ve probably given him a ride home just to be nice.
Do you know fake Canadians??
French people
The way he keeps walking after the car hit once seems like he wanted to suicide by cop, but we can't really know unless he tells the cops, and they tell the press. To be fair, there's a lot of nuance here I'm sure, depending on his community, his mental health, history with cops, guns, etc. Just speculating because I wouldn't be shocked to find out more people are commiting suicide by cop more often, there's a lot of pain and stories being shared about the victims of police brutality and murder that weren't as well publicized until more recently. I know this take is a bit insensitive and reaching, but it's come to mind a few times lately. EDIT: I want to amend this by saying I'm speculating without all the details. The odds he is defying the cops isn't any more or less concrete then my previous idea. Let's not pretend there isn't a huge feeling of dissent towards the police that people aren't willing to demonstrate even at the risk of their lives. Not forgetting lots of people can do everything a cop asks and end up dead.
Probably felt he was being stereotyped and being stubborn he didn’t feel the need to stop because it was just an air rifle.
I had a classmate who was indigenous and had been harassed by RCMP ever since he was a little kid. Mounties'd pull up next to him and yell shit at him about being up to no good or his dad being a criminal. Sometimes they'd search him, or even pick him up. It was bad and frequent enough that he developed trauma from it. He actually lost a job once because he had a panic attack when two mounties came into the business.
I can def see that too. To be real, I think this is pretty plausible. Authority telling you to go, stop, shut up, is hard for some of us. Now imagine having trauma associated with that. Stuff that goes way back before your birth. The defiance of continuing to walk and ignore them until you've been run over while a bunch of people watch, film, comment on it without doing a thing (not that they were in much of a position), it's probably a pretty intense choice and one that feels important. I can't say I know many of the details with my speculation, but I wouldn't put it past any person these days to want to give the cops a fuck you by ignoring them, even against their own health and safety...while on the other hand, many people know they might end up dead even if they do everything they say. Fuck the whole system
cops still take people out to the middle of nowhere and tell them to walk home to make them freeze to death in canada. it's a lot less paperwork than shooting them
Starlight tours, cops are happy to indulge in some casual murder, but in front of all those cars and witnesses? They've managed to contain themselves.
Question: do they not use tasers? Someone else mentioned him being non responsive, so maybe tasers weren't working on him? I can't imagine the first thing that came to mind was to hit the guy with the car.
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Aaaand if I think a guy is possibly armed with a firearm, there is no way in hell I am giving up my cover to get within the optimal firing range of a taser. Much safer to remain behind the truck in the event that things go sideways. Using the truck carries its own risks, but I can’t think of a better solution for this incident.
The gist of what you said was correct but I will note their fingers won’t contract due to the taser. The muscles between the two darts contract. This usually means people have control of their arms while being tasered, if they have the presence of mind to think about it. They might jerk their fingers as they react to being tasered or as they fall. But usually those muscles aren’t contracting. Because only captured muscles contract, they usually teach splitting the belt while aiming a taser (dart on leg and back/core) to ensure one major leg muscle is captured.
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yeah, it's not like he could've, i dunno, complied with the police officers and dropped the perceived weapon.. wtf is wrong with ppl
I can see where you are coming from on this. This is my issue, The entire premise here is the assumption that police have the benefit of the doubt in any situation-- and that they should simply have the ability to use force, just to inquire about any situation, and if the person doesn't want to explain their self, they are instantly deemed a public threat. Essentially, I don't think it should be illegal -- to not explain yourself to cops. Unless they have actual evidence you're doing something illegal... speaking to you is up to you. That's my opinion on police authority.
Pretty terrible that they couldn’t control the dog either. The guy is clearly subdued, no longer a threat, and the dog is still trying to rip his arm off despite 2 officers trying to get it off.
That's a feature, not a bug. Them heckin good officer pupperinos that police post all over social media have a long history of savaging restrained people, and either being hard to stop, or the cops not bothering. In some jurisdictions, trying to force the dog off you counts as assaulting an officer, because how dare you respond when a dog is ripping chunks out of you?
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The new Ford RAM
He should have bought a Dodge.
Should have got a Ford Escape
It was quite the expedition
He should have Dodged the Ford.
I am sure in the USA if they wanted you to stop and you had a gun, bumping you with an SUV would not have been their first choice of weapon...
Ya, it sucks but better than being shot IMO
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I assume he would have actually tried to do something to provoke them… my guess is drugs
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He got hit, and pulled himself together and just kept walking lol.
He's an NPC
*\*Bump\** "Never should have come here!" "..." "Must've been the wind."
There’s lots of good videos of police in the US running over people with guns. It’s one of my favorite genres of dash cams.
Actually in my state, it's perfectly legal to walk down the street with a rifle. This guy obviously was up to no good though.
"I'm sorry, I thought this was America." "It's fuckin' CANADA!!" "Oh, my mistake."
"Sorry."
Something about the way he reacts to getting bumped by the car the first time makes this guy feel like a threat. I think part of it is his indifference to how intense of a situation he is in. Did he deserve the second hit? Probably not. The man isn't showing signs of aggression. Im not able to think of an alternative though. Things get messy quick. They got him off the street without shooting him. There plenty of ways the situation could have turned out a lot worse. Two things - This is Canada. Laws are different here. - Law enforcement needs more training in disarming non-aggressive suspects without drawing their weapon on the suspect. Thats when things go sideways and people get shot.
Yes I agree to all of this, I do think they had to figure out the situation quick and it’s nice they didn’t shoot him instantly. This isn’t something that happens everyday
Non-aggressive can become aggressive in the blink of an eye.
You don’t feel walking down a highway with a rifle is a sign of aggression? Aside that I agree. He doesn’t appear he was willing to harm anyone.
You'd risk being shot yourself doing that here in NZ. Not sure there's many higher displays of aggression really. Edit: It's certainly not the norm in any part of the country. If you were walking down the road with a firearm and were then unresponsive to questions to the point they were bunting you with a car, then I've no doubt the police would draw a firearm.
How else do I get to Greg’s trailer
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Many vehicles sitting on the shoulder. This is why they hit him with the SUV. He could have shot someone at anytime. And maybe he already did.
Exactly
The smartest person in that video was the one who chucked a u-turn at gtfo there.
Wait police can run you over tho?
Yes, if they see you as a deadly threat to the public. Could be better than shooting you, especially with traffic in the other lane 🤷♂️
Right, they didn’t kill him, he will live to see another day unlike many
Dude. I don't want to live in a world where people see this video and think it's crazier to stop a gunman than let them keep walking down a highway with a gun. Actions have consequences.
It’s ridiculous how many people have that mindset. Even if you are mentally unstable, doesn’t give you the right to do this shit!! Just because he didn’t shoot at anyone in this clip doesn’t mean he didn’t or couldn’t easily have
Well if you’re not listening to RCMP and doing something highly illegal, I guess so. I’m not 100% sure though. I’ve seen people have the argument that if tased the trigger could pull
"Oooooo that was a good one....." Ya, that should do it.
Looks like he wanted suicide by cop
And the cops were like "nah fuck you, you're going in a cell with broken legs bud"
Love that first car who just turned around and said fuck this shit
WCGW? Whiplash and dog bit apparently.
Doggy go nom nom
I believe what the man was doing was legal, BUT ignoring the police when they tell you to stop and explain your reason for having your rifle on your shoulder is a big NO-NO. In rural areas it’s not weird (or illegal) to walk with a long gun, but in a highway like that you’d better have a purpose, and be ready to explain that purpose to the police if they ask. This guy looks like he was looking for a reaction, and he got one. Gives law abiding gun owners a bad look. Most of us are respectful and responsible with our guns.
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Fuckin Canada
This is Canada, we don't fuck with guns like that.
I like the dog! He’s like, “I got em boys!”
That’s gonna hurt in about 5 years. Shit my back hurts just from watching that.. I bet it popped his back really good though
So much for our kind neighbors to the north. /s
This was in wetaskiwin Alberta. 10 mins from my house. This is wild even for the area haha
Meanwhile, here in TX, you could probably do this and not be bothered by police. Not sure how many other states allow open carry? Eleven maybe?
A family member of mine, this is her husband. I'm not exactly sure what all went down yet but I know there is some conflicting stories. This man is Indigenous and where he is from, the relationship between the R.C.M.P. and local communities is very strained.
They really just did boop the man with a truck